Old head here, What material are you guys following for pickup?

[Ybatman]

So im in my 40s. I found pickup back when it first took off around 2001 ish. I was able to go out with many of the old PUA gurus. It was fun as hell. I did pickup for a good 5 years and then "retired". Moved to another country, small town, relationship and I was out of it. Life moves on and so does relationships.

Im in the US now and ran into this website while I was looking for some old school material.

I notice that most people here do direct approach, very few concepts from back in my day and I see mistake, after mistake, after mistake. Again, all based on my experience from a different time and indirect method. it just surprises me reading some Field Reports and the things some guys do who are getting lays. They dont make any sense to me.

So that is why I ask. What material or who do you read nowadays. What process do you guys follow? Im very curious

 

[TwoNameGame]

So that is why I ask. What material or who do you read nowadays. What process do you guys follow? Im very curious

Me, I originally followed Simple Pickup (defunct) which only taught inner game, the idea of picup skills extending to life, and little else. Now, I stick to articles on Girls Chase (the site connected to this forum) and YouTube channel. But I just want a long-term relationship, so I don't need much of the advanced stuff like first night lays (yet).

My process is basically:

1. Go next to her and open over my shoulder after pretending to just notice her.
2. Use a direct opener with push-pull
3. Squeeze her hand (not shake) and hold it as long as possible while swapping names.
4. Interest bait immediately as they are often unsure how to respond opener.
5. Cold read
6. Qualify
7. High five if I like it
8. Talk about something emotionally charged (ex. Music or hobbies)
9. Mention a date place to get an opinion (ex. Mention coffee)
10. Cold read
11. Qualify
12. Kino if I like it
13. Confirm the pull part of my push-pull
14. Ask if they are single
15. Ask them out to date place (ex. Aforementioned coffee)
16. Bring up logistics
17. Swap numbers
18. Text per Chase's guide and Skills's guides.

I'm inexperienced, so I always welcome feedback. The idea is to understand her passion and her femininity (the 2 things that determine attractiveness for me) and get her used to the idea of winning me over rather than vice-versa.

As for dates, I follow Skills's 3 point bounce: meet somewhere low pressure for small talk, go to another location with more energy to deep dive, go to intimate/secluded third location for flirty escalation (ex. Kissing).

 

[Atlas IV]

I notice that most people here do direct approach, very few concepts from back in my day and I see mistake, after mistake, after mistake. Again, all based on my experience from a different time and indirect method. it just surprises me reading some Field Reports and the things some guys do who are getting lays. They dont make any sense to me.

Some examples?

Pickup has evolved a lot since 2001. Stuff that worked then still works I'm sure, but there's also been a ton of innovation.

E.g. I'm pretty sure sex talk/sexual prizing wasn't a thing back in the day.

If you don't understand why something works, it probably indicates you have an outdated understanding of what works.

 

[KJ Francis]

This article gives a good look into the sort of day game process a lot of guys follow here. It seems many of the guys really hitting the streets are posting in their journals and less so the field reports.

How to Meet Girls via Day Game (Beginner Guide)

Day game is the approach a man uses to meet new women during the daytime. This beginner guide tells you all you need to know to start day gaming girls. Contents 1. What Is Day Game? What Is NOT Day Game? 2. Day Game Hurdles Approach Anxiety Spam Approaching Ejecting Too Soon 3. How to Do Day...

www.girlschase.com

I assume online would be new to you. This is a good start if you're interested in apps.

Basic online structure 101

@Atlas IV asked for a basic structure here ....... I am not going to go into pics, apps, etc.... I will go more over the "structure".... Guys that i seen good at online, we all share kind of identical structure, i know because we were all in underground groups together.... Everyone, knows who...

www.skilledseducer.com

I can't recall seeing a top to bottom night game process article. Articles by Alek on the blog would be good to read.

A lot of guys still bring up 60 Years of Challenge complete game system for night game with a focus on nonverbal physical game. Alek's style is more verbal with sex talk gambits but 60yoc was also an influence on him.

***

A great primer is Chase's book called How to Make Girls Chase. I think it is from 2011.

Personally, I really liked Franco's book Manual of Seduction. I think it was 2004 or 2009. It is more on mindsets than process.

***

What kind of stuff was surprising or confusing that you read? And are you day or night game focused?

I have still yet to see a good example of an indirect daytime street stop. If she's stationary, I can see situational openers working but think some direct genuine interest is needed to stop a girl who's walking toward you.

I think indirect is still thought to be best in nighttime venues (situational or even a simple how's your night going). What were you reading back in the day? I know Mystery recommended indirect because of bitch shields and the relative value dynamics in the club. So the whole body rocking and positioning tactics were meant to reduce the perceived level of interest until you can show some value and she indicates her interest. People seem to forget he also specifically recommended NOT to use negs past the initial stages of showing you're not pedastalizing her. He said to respond to things you don't like by withdrawing and going silent.

Anyways... Yeah I would get Chase's book to get up to speed. Then probably his One Date product.

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

So im in my 40s. I found pickup back when it first took off around 2001 ish. I was able to go out with many of the old PUA gurus. It was fun as hell. I did pickup for a good 5 years and then "retired". Moved to another country, small town, relationship and I was out of it. Life moves on and so does relationships.

Im in the US now and ran into this website while I was looking for some old school material.

I notice that most people here do direct approach, very few concepts from back in my day and I see mistake, after mistake, after mistake. Again, all based on my experience from a different time and indirect method. it just surprises me reading some Field Reports and the things some guys do who are getting lays. They dont make any sense to me.

The way guys are getting laid via direct day game is basically how NON PUA guys were getting laid during the Golden Era of PUA.

i.e. - there is no game, there is no skill, there is no SEDUCTION.

Modern "Game"

• These guys "looks max"
• They approach girls that are basically in their same demographic.
• She becomes aware of him, her reptilian brain says yes.
• He gets the contact information
• The attraction half life is strong enough that she actually remembers him/the way he made her feel
• The text interactions are good enough
• The social media is good enough
• She feels safe enough to meet up
• They hook up

So it's a lot of brute force.

I say this about Day Game any chance I can work it in, but Krauser (noted day gamer), said he converts maybe 1 in 20 day game approaches into a hook up.

So that is why I ask. What material or who do you read nowadays. What process do you guys follow? Im very curious

Aside from the articles and books at Girls Chase/Skilled Seducer - THERE IS NOTHING*.

By nothing, I mean nothing as effective as the "golden era" of pick up.

*gets on soapbox*

A lot of the idea of PUA got lost when we stopped calling it "fast seduction".

At the time, I was there, everyone knew what we were talking about, but 5,10,15,20 years later that OG meaning was lost.

But to call it fast seduction, means there's such a thing as slow seduction.

What even is seduction? From the latin (seducer) which breaks down to se and duc - aside and leading - leading aside.

A seduction is something that basically pulls someone away from the path that they're on.
Think Odysseus and the Sirens.

The thing is so good, so enticing, so alluring, so attractive - that the person that was going one way, goes a different way - toward the thing that has captured their attention.

At first out of novelty and curiousity, but then out of want, out of hunger. Something less intellectual, and more primal and physical.

IMO, at a high level, PUA is a "seduction" - is drawing a chick into a situation where before she was not thinking about sex, much less sex with the particular PUA, and she then finds herself ass up in the back of a Hyundai Elantra.

That's what a fast seduction is. It's not that the chick likes you or doesn't like you, that you're compatible or not compatible, but it's more like putting her in a situation where she can't control herself.

• At the Gucci store after she gets her Income Tax Refund
• At a bakery with every possible sweet sugary thing available
• Hanging out with her most gossipy friend and getting the tea on everything
• Bottomless Mimosas at brunch
• stalking her Ex on social media

There's no force involved, no control, no coercion. She just can't resist it.

This goes well beyond picking up girls

• It's a store positioning the candy at the eye level of a child.
• It's potato chip companies spending hundreds of millions of dollars to get the exact combination of crispness and flavor.
• It's the endless scroll of social media.
• clickbait and rage media

PUA was about seduction. It was about offering a lot of "chick crack" in terms of the value she would get from interacting with a PUA. It was about bringing her through those emotional stages, and giving her more "emotional reasons" to go forward. Never pushing her into it, but her pulling herself in.

She was exposed, then enticed, but to get more of those addictive emotions, she'd have to give up something, she'd have to play along, and before she knew it she was doing the walk of shame the next morning. (or done properly, she'd be happy and excited)

Be he witty and charming, be he dark/serious/sexual/provocative, be he a whirlwind of energy, be he the muscle bound jock telling dirty jokes.... There were/are so many archetypes of interaction and personality ...and that's all gone now.

Looks/Money/Status. That's what is being taught.

All of us veterans know that LMS can help, but it can hurt, but ultimately LMS does not SEDUCE.

These things attract, but after you attract the girl, get her attention - then the interaction component needs to kick in - and these modern methods do not teach that.

Nobody even talks about pick up this way anymore.

As for what I do

I haven't changed my idea of what seduction is. It is still drawing the woman off of her dead end path to boredom, but also inflaming her passions in a controlled and predictable way.

1. Approach
2. "pre-approach"/first words
3. open
4. attraction material/banter/flirting - "the back and forth"
5. screen - red flags, logistics, my actual screening for what I'm actually looking for
6. qualify - get her to prove herself (fake screening)
7. escalate - verbal (flirt), kino (touch), logistical (place to place)
8. get cooperation - let her pick up threads, test for interest, force investment, dancing, etc
9. build trust - touch and go with the kino, handle the friends, start convos with 3rd parties - impress 3rd parties.
10. escape the venue - logistics were handled, some heat's been established
11. build more trust
12. build more heat
13. close
14. debrief

In terms of what to do when I meet a girl, nothing has really changed. I don't do dating apps, and I don't "slide into the dm's".

I have had to adapt to the times though.

Social Media
I'm not really trying to date 22 year olds like when I was 25, so I'm not on TikTok.
I do have an instagram, but to really take full advantage of it, I'd have to spend a lot more time on it.
At my age, LinkedIn is more important..

Looks
Looks Max was never a big thing in the late 90s/early 00s. Plenty of guys were gym rats, but forever alone.
A lot of the gurus were short and skinny, skinny fat, tall and lanky, average looking etc. They might peacock, but the "club kid" thing is very niche. It's probably still effective - but the look has to match the personality and lifestyle. "congruent"

As time has gone on, all the ones I can think of have gone through "fashion makeovers"

You have to looks max in 2024.

• Haircuts
• Beard
• Skin Care
• Being a good BMI, ideally lightly muscled, but not so much as to look like Mr. Olympia.
• clothing - this is really a hard one. Most guys look generic, even if they think they're stylish. Stop trying to be stylish.

This guy is stylish. He embodies what stylish means

Wisdom Kaye on Instagram: "High fashion……typography?"

7M likes, 136K comments - wisdm on June 19, 2024: "High fashion……typography?". style, fonts, text, creative, supposed

www.instagram.com

Wisdom Kaye on Instagram: "Chrome Consigliere."

112K likes, 539 comments - wisdm on October 5, 2023: "Chrome Consigliere.".

www.instagram.com

Most PUAs don't want to be stylish.

This is as far as they want to go in terms of style. Basically look "cool"

The modern tweak is to look cool and athletic, so get fit and wear clothes that allow that athleticism to be seen.
People notice, but you don't announce it.

For me this is always a work in progress. Tweaking this, tweaking that. Diff Colognes, Diff Looks, etc.

But I enjoy this. For a lot of guys my age, they'd rather not do the work and just stay home.

Targeted Going Out

Can't just go downtown anymore

• Due to age and preference, I can't just hit the dance clubs at all.
• For health and preference, I need to curate the bars I go to. (gotta avoid the craft beer, and stick to *sigh* mixology places)

I subscribe to a fair amount of "what's going on around town" newsletters and IG pages.

I want to go where I'm gonna run into "never been married"/"recently divorced"/"I have no kids, just a career".

Plus, I'm not really trying to put up #'s like back in my hey day. Sex is important, but it's not the overriding concern.

And that's basically it.

Texting, Date Design, dealing with her phone addiction....those are details imo.

WIA

 

[Ybatman]

Me, I originally followed Simple Pickup (defunct) which only taught inner game, the idea of picup skills extending to life, and little else. Now, I stick to articles on Girls Chase (the site connected to this forum) and YouTube channel. But I just want a long-term relationship, so I don't need much of the advanced stuff like first night lays (yet).

My process is basically:

1. Go next to her and open over my shoulder after pretending to just notice her.
2. Use a direct opener with push-pull
3. Squeeze her hand (not shake) and hold it as long as possible while swapping names.
4. Interest bait immediately as they are often unsure how to respond opener.
5. Cold read
6. Qualify
7. High five if I like it
8. Talk about something emotionally charged (ex. Music or hobbies)
9. Mention a date place to get an opinion (ex. Mention coffee)
10. Cold read
11. Qualify
12. Kino if I like it
13. Confirm the pull part of my push-pull
14. Ask if they are single
15. Ask them out to date place (ex. Aforementioned coffee)
16. Bring up logistics
17. Swap numbers
18. Text per Chase's guide and Skills's guides.

I'm inexperienced, so I always welcome feedback. The idea is to understand her passion and her femininity (the 2 things that determine attractiveness for me) and get her used to the idea of winning me over rather than vice-versa.

As for dates, I follow Skills's 3 point bounce: meet somewhere low pressure for small talk, go to another location with more energy to deep dive, go to intimate/secluded third location for flirty escalation (ex. Kissing).

See, this is what I was talking about. You have structure and a plan. It’s different from what I’m used to but you have something

 

[Ybatman]

Some examples?

Pickup has evolved a lot since 2001. Stuff that worked then still works I'm sure, but there's also been a ton of innovation.

E.g. I'm pretty sure sex talk/sexual prizing wasn't a thing back in the day.

If you don't understand why something works, it probably indicates you have an outdated understanding of what work

ok. For example. I saw a FR from someone that did an Anal close in a park. He was cocky and funny. With a little callback humor. But seemed he generated little attraction and went from zero to banging her in the ass with very little game. Like extremely little game.

now don’t get me wrong. You can close fast. Once I kissed a girl while I walked out of a bathroom without saying a single word. She saw me, gave me a look and I went in with the kill and she complied.

another time I spanked a girl in the club and kissed her within 15 seconds all because she mad the mistake of grabbing my ass.

I know attraction can happen quickly and escalate fast. Just some reports using direct game breaking rules of pickup that I know dont seem like solid game to me. Which is why I asked what was used.

i dont have an “outdated understanding” of what works. I simply see things differently. And if most guys are doing pickup in this new way, it only helps me because I would be doing something very few are actually doing. Giving me an advantage.

and living in LA with so many hot women all over the place. Even better for me lol

 

[Ybatman]

This article gives a good look into the sort of day game process a lot of guys follow here. It seems many of the guys really hitting the streets are posting in their journals and less so the field reports.

How to Meet Girls via Day Game (Beginner Guide)

Day game is the approach a man uses to meet new women during the daytime. This beginner guide tells you all you need to know to start day gaming girls. Contents 1. What Is Day Game? What Is NOT Day Game? 2. Day Game Hurdles Approach Anxiety Spam Approaching Ejecting Too Soon 3. How to Do Day...

www.girlschase.com

I assume online would be new to you. This is a good start if you're interested in apps.

Basic online structure 101

@Atlas IV asked for a basic structure here ....... I am not going to go into pics, apps, etc.... I will go more over the "structure".... Guys that i seen good at online, we all share kind of identical structure, i know because we were all in underground groups together.... Everyone, knows who...

www.skilledseducer.com

I can't recall seeing a top to bottom night game process article. Articles by Alek on the blog would be good to read.

A lot of guys still bring up 60 Years of Challenge complete game system for night game with a focus on nonverbal physical game. Alek's style is more verbal with sex talk gambits but 60yoc was also an influence on him.

***

A great primer is Chase's book called How to Make Girls Chase. I think it is from 2011.

Personally, I really liked Franco's book Manual of Seduction. I think it was 2004 or 2009. It is more on mindsets than process.

***

What kind of stuff was surprising or confusing that you read? And are you day or night game focused?

I have still yet to see a good example of an indirect daytime street stop. If she's stationary, I can see situational openers working but think some direct genuine interest is needed to stop a girl who's walking toward you.

I think indirect is still thought to be best in nighttime venues (situational or even a simple how's your night going). What were you reading back in the day? I know Mystery recommended indirect because of bitch shields and the relative value dynamics in the club. So the whole body rocking and positioning tactics were meant to reduce the perceived level of interest until you can show some value and she indicates her interest. People seem to forget he also specifically recommended NOT to use negs past the initial stages of showing you're not pedastalizing her. He said to respond to things you don't like by withdrawing and going silent.

Anyways... Yeah I would get Chase's book to get up to speed. Then probably his One Date product.

I’ll check those links. I don’t do online game anymore but I will be trying it out.

I used to do more night game. I had a job and was responsible lol. So I couldn’t do what many PUAs used to do.

I met Mystery, Style, Ross Jeffries, David Shade, Tyler Durden, papa, shit. I was on the first Pick up Summit at their Hollywood mansion back then. I think I met at least half the people mentioned on “The game” and went to pickup with many of them.

what sucks for me is that since I’ve been out of the game for so long, I’ll be starting from scratch but I don’t worry too much. Once it kicks in I think I can level up.

As far as moving targets, it wasn’t so hard to stop them. My concern now is earbuds. Every girl here in LA walking their dog has them on. I’ll think of a good option to have them take them off and pay attention

 

[Ybatman]

The way guys are getting laid via direct day game is basically how NON PUA guys were getting laid during the Golden Era of PUA.

i.e. - there is no game, there is no skill, there is no SEDUCTION.

Modern "Game"

• These guys "looks max"
• They approach girls that are basically in their same demographic.
• She becomes aware of him, her reptilian brain says yes.
• He gets the contact information
• The attraction half life is strong enough that she actually remembers him/the way he made her feel
• The text interactions are good enough
• The social media is good enough
• She feels safe enough to meet up
• They hook up

So it's a lot of brute force.

I say this about Day Game any chance I can work it in, but Krauser (noted day gamer), said he converts maybe 1 in 20 day game approaches into a hook up.



Aside from the articles and books at Girls Chase/Skilled Seducer - THERE IS NOTHING*.

By nothing, I mean nothing as effective as the "golden era" of pick up.

*gets on soapbox*

A lot of the idea of PUA got lost when we stopped calling it "fast seduction".

At the time, I was there, everyone knew what we were talking about, but 5,10,15,20 years later that OG meaning was lost.

But to call it fast seduction, means there's such a thing as slow seduction.

What even is seduction? From the latin (seducer) which breaks down to se and duc - aside and leading - leading aside.

A seduction is something that basically pulls someone away from the path that they're on.
Think Odysseus and the Sirens.

The thing is so good, so enticing, so alluring, so attractive - that the person that was going one way, goes a different way - toward the thing that has captured their attention.

At first out of novelty and curiousity, but then out of want, out of hunger. Something less intellectual, and more primal and physical.

IMO, at a high level, PUA is a "seduction" - is drawing a chick into a situation where before she was not thinking about sex, much less sex with the particular PUA, and she then finds herself ass up in the back of a Hyundai Elantra.

That's what a fast seduction is. It's not that the chick likes you or doesn't like you, that you're compatible or not compatible, but it's more like putting her in a situation where she can't control herself.

• At the Gucci store after she gets her Income Tax Refund
• At a bakery with every possible sweet sugary thing available
• Hanging out with her most gossipy friend and getting the tea on everything
• Bottomless Mimosas at brunch
• stalking her Ex on social media

There's no force involved, no control, no coercion. She just can't resist it.

This goes well beyond picking up girls

• It's a store positioning the candy at the eye level of a child.
• It's potato chip companies spending hundreds of millions of dollars to get the exact combination of crispness and flavor.
• It's the endless scroll of social media.
• clickbait and rage media

PUA was about seduction. It was about offering a lot of "chick crack" in terms of the value she would get from interacting with a PUA. It was about bringing her through those emotional stages, and giving her more "emotional reasons" to go forward. Never pushing her into it, but her pulling herself in.

She was exposed, then enticed, but to get more of those addictive emotions, she'd have to give up something, she'd have to play along, and before she knew it she was doing the walk of shame the next morning. (or done properly, she'd be happy and excited)

Be he witty and charming, be he dark/serious/sexual/provocative, be he a whirlwind of energy, be he the muscle bound jock telling dirty jokes.... There were/are so many archetypes of interaction and personality ...and that's all gone now.

Looks/Money/Status. That's what is being taught.

All of us veterans know that LMS can help, but it can hurt, but ultimately LMS does not SEDUCE.

These things attract, but after you attract the girl, get her attention - then the interaction component needs to kick in - and these modern methods do not teach that.

Nobody even talks about pick up this way anymore.

As for what I do

I haven't changed my idea of what seduction is. It is still drawing the woman off of her dead end path to boredom, but also inflaming her passions in a controlled and predictable way.

1. Approach
2. "pre-approach"/first words
3. open
4. attraction material/banter/flirting - "the back and forth"
5. screen - red flags, logistics, my actual screening for what I'm actually looking for
6. qualify - get her to prove herself (fake screening)
7. escalate - verbal (flirt), kino (touch), logistical (place to place)
8. get cooperation - let her pick up threads, test for interest, force investment, dancing, etc
9. build trust - touch and go with the kino, handle the friends, start convos with 3rd parties - impress 3rd parties.
10. escape the venue - logistics were handled, some heat's been established
11. build more trust
12. build more heat
13. close
14. debrief

In terms of what to do when I meet a girl, nothing has really changed. I don't do dating apps, and I don't "slide into the dm's".

I have had to adapt to the times though.

Social Media
I'm not really trying to date 22 year olds like when I was 25, so I'm not on TikTok.
I do have an instagram, but to really take full advantage of it, I'd have to spend a lot more time on it.
At my age, LinkedIn is more important..

Looks
Looks Max was never a big thing in the late 90s/early 00s. Plenty of guys were gym rats, but forever alone.
A lot of the gurus were short and skinny, skinny fat, tall and lanky, average looking etc. They might peacock, but the "club kid" thing is very niche. It's probably still effective - but the look has to match the personality and lifestyle. "congruent"

As time has gone on, all the ones I can think of have gone through "fashion makeovers"

You have to looks max in 2024.

• Haircuts
• Beard
• Skin Care
• Being a good BMI, ideally lightly muscled, but not so much as to look like Mr. Olympia.
• clothing - this is really a hard one. Most guys look generic, even if they think they're stylish. Stop trying to be stylish.

This guy is stylish. He embodies what stylish means

Wisdom Kaye on Instagram: "High fashion……typography?"

7M likes, 136K comments - wisdm on June 19, 2024: "High fashion……typography?". style, fonts, text, creative, supposed

www.instagram.com

Wisdom Kaye on Instagram: "Chrome Consigliere."

112K likes, 539 comments - wisdm on October 5, 2023: "Chrome Consigliere.".

www.instagram.com

Most PUAs don't want to be stylish.

This is as far as they want to go in terms of style. Basically look "cool"

The modern tweak is to look cool and athletic, so get fit and wear clothes that allow that athleticism to be seen.
People notice, but you don't announce it.

For me this is always a work in progress. Tweaking this, tweaking that. Diff Colognes, Diff Looks, etc.

But I enjoy this. For a lot of guys my age, they'd rather not do the work and just stay home.

Targeted Going Out

Can't just go downtown anymore

• Due to age and preference, I can't just hit the dance clubs at all.
• For health and preference, I need to curate the bars I go to. (gotta avoid the craft beer, and stick to *sigh* mixology places)

I subscribe to a fair amount of "what's going on around town" newsletters and IG pages.

I want to go where I'm gonna run into "never been married"/"recently divorced"/"I have no kids, just a career".

Plus, I'm not really trying to put up #'s like back in my hey day. Sex is important, but it's not the overriding concern.

And that's basically it.

Texting, Date Design, dealing with her phone addiction....those are details imo.

WIA

I think we see eye to eye here. Thanks for the rundown. The change is noticible but the game is the game. I think you and I have a massive advantage. Good to know.

 

[Chase]

Welcome, man! Always excellent having OGs on the Boards.

I was a few years after you (found Fast Seduction at the tail end of 2005) but got to hang with some of those guys.

Ran into Mystery in a lounge in 2008 and opened a few sets together. Took workshops with some of the PUAs who were big in 2006/7 and coached and wrote the newsletter for one of them for a couple years.

Had a guy trying to link me up with Tyler 2011 or 2012-ish after he spent half an hour talking Tyler's ear off about some of my material in a nightclub VIP but that was deep in the midst of Tyler's "let me take everyone else's material, rename it, then sell it as mine" stage so I passed on that one, lol.

The stuff that was big in your day was structured game with canned material & routine stacks. That all still works as well as ever. One of our writers @Karea Ricardus D. was a student of Captain Jack, who was probably after your time but was a prolific PUA on Mystery's Lounge. Karea credits the most major upgrade in his game from switching to a routine stack (following Captain Jack's example, who was in turn following Mystery).

Karea doesn't write for the site anymore, but @Teevster does, and he is another guy who uses a lot of fairly routinized game; his stuff (built for nightclubs, but also great on dates; and we have guys who are using it in day game -- see my interview with Bloom) is based around what he calls sexual prizing, which is indirect game where you run a bunch of routines talking about sex that show you off as extremely knowledgeable about it, sexually successful, and good in bed, without ever directly propositioning the girl herself, so she starts to chase for it. He has a big list of sex talk gambits here.

The report you read ("Anal in the Park" by @James D) is the type of lay Mystery used to call "fool's mate." Find a girl who is down, lead it forward, don't screw up, get the lay. (I'm doing a bit of a disservice to James here; having logistics handled, strong leadership, and fast escalation to public sex is not something you can pull off without a fair degree of skill and experience, at least not consistently, and James had a number of such lays)

But yeah, a lot fewer guys running routine stack game. I miss reading those reports (still some guys doing it & writing them though. Just not nearly as many).

As far as moving targets, it wasn’t so hard to stop them. My concern now is earbuds. Every girl here in LA walking their dog has them on. I’ll think of a good option to have them take them off and pay attention

You approach the same as usual, just with a slight added twist: after you get the girl's attention, you make a "plucking out of my ears" motion yourself (while smiling of course) to gesture to her what she should do. She complies, you open verbally, and you're off to the races.

(also, I don't know where else to put it in this response, but man that was an awesome rundown by @West_Indian_Archie!)

Cheers!

Chase

 

[Chase]

Also: this (very long but engrossing) thread by @Karea Ricardus D. before/during his return to the game after years away is relevant:

Is game harder than it was 10 years ago?

I keep hearing from all kinds of people that the game is a lot harder now than it used to be. And for a while I believed it had gotten harder myself. About 4 years ago I started to notice that I had to work a lot harder for a lot less results… but looking back, I was in a city that doesn’t...

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[TwoNameGame]

See, this is what I was talking about. You have structure and a plan. It’s different from what I’m used to but you have something

I plan to get a type of girl. My problem is three-fold:

1. I daygame exclusively at my large university. I often cold approach women who are about to enter a classroom/vehicle and need a checklist to avoid looking sleazy/pushy. These interactions cannot unfold "naturally".
2. I never had a girlfriend, so having concrete points helps me know what to do. I have no instinct (just emotional sensitivity). It is like teaching a kid to add by giving him apples, then more apples.
3. For me, attractiveness = femininity × passion. I ignore the hot tomboy sitting there with nothing to do who notices me, and instead acknowledge the aloof girly girl in high heels walking toward a purpose on a timeframe who may have earbuds (that said, I've approached goth girls, Christian girls, socialists, party girls, hipsters, etc.). I disregard approach indicators, so my approaches are less ideal. Thus, I rely on "what works".

Personally, I prefer having loose objectives over specific steps, but that also requires more finesse than I currently posess.

 

[Ybatman]

Welcome, man! Always excellent having OGs on the Boards.

I was a few years after you (found Fast Seduction at the tail end of 2005) but got to hang with some of those guys.

Ran into Mystery in a lounge in 2008 and opened a few sets together. Took workshops with some of the PUAs who were big in 2006/7 and coached and wrote the newsletter for one of them for a couple years.

Had a guy trying to link me up with Tyler 2011 or 2012-ish after he spent half an hour talking Tyler's ear off about some of my material in a nightclub VIP but that was deep in the midst of Tyler's "let me take everyone else's material, rename it, then sell it as mine" stage so I passed on that one, lol.

The stuff that was big in your day was structured game with canned material & routine stacks. That all still works as well as ever. One of our writers @Karea Ricardus D. was a student of Captain Jack, who was probably after your time but was a prolific PUA on Mystery's Lounge. Karea credits the most major upgrade in his game from switching to a routine stack (following Captain Jack's example, who was in turn following Mystery).

Karea doesn't write for the site anymore, but @Teevster does, and he is another guy who uses a lot of fairly routinized game; his stuff (built for nightclubs, but also great on dates; and we have guys who are using it in day game -- see my interview with Bloom) is based around what he calls sexual prizing, which is indirect game where you run a bunch of routines talking about sex that show you off as extremely knowledgeable about it, sexually successful, and good in bed, without ever directly propositioning the girl herself, so she starts to chase for it. He has a big list of sex talk gambits here.

The report you read ("Anal in the Park" by @James D) is the type of lay Mystery used to call "fool's mate." Find a girl who is down, lead it forward, don't screw up, get the lay. (I'm doing a bit of a disservice to James here; having logistics handled, strong leadership, and fast escalation to public sex is not something you can pull off without a fair degree of skill and experience, at least not consistently, and James had a number of such lays)

But yeah, a lot fewer guys running routine stack game. I miss reading those reports (still some guys doing it & writing them though. Just not nearly as many).



You approach the same as usual, just with a slight added twist: after you get the girl's attention, you make a "plucking out of my ears" motion yourself (while smiling of course) to gesture to her what she should do. She complies, you open verbally, and you're off to the races.

(also, I don't know where else to put it in this response, but man that was an awesome rundown by @West_Indian_Archie!)

Cheers!

Chase

Chase. Thanks for the reply man.

you got in the game after I did but I also disconnected from it for years. So I’m sure you’re at a very good level now. I’ll check the website more and the links you shared.

I never took a workshop. I seemed to always get myself in situations where I was around MPUAs.

yeah. Tyler was a douche. I did swooped in and took a girl he was gaming from him. To be fair, I had gamed her first and I was walking by while he was spitting game and she called my name, she was testing him, but I put out my hand and she grabbed it so it left him standing there like an idiot lol. Dude was pissed at me after but whatever. I gamed her first. To be fair it was when he had started doing workshops. 3 months later he was much better than me and would of AMOGed me. But still I made him looked stupid lol

as far as “Anal in the park” yes. I know it’s foolsmate. I just didn’t know if I could use old school Jargon and if people would know what I’m saying.

anyway, happy to find this forum. I’m currently downloading and going over most of the information I used back then. I will of course mix in some new stuff. I will start posting FR when I start sarging once again.

 

[Ybatman]

I plan to get a type of girl. My problem is three-fold:

1. I daygame exclusively at my large university. I often cold approach women who are about to enter a classroom/vehicle and need a checklist to avoid looking sleazy/pushy. These interactions cannot unfold "naturally".
2. I never had a girlfriend, so having concrete points helps me know what to do. I have no instinct (just emotional sensitivity). It is like teaching a kid to add by giving him apples, then more apples.
3. For me, attractiveness = femininity × passion. I ignore the hot tomboy sitting there with nothing to do who notices me, and instead acknowledge the aloof girly girl in high heels walking toward a purpose on a timeframe who may have earbuds (that said, I've approached goth girls, Christian girls, socialists, party girls, hipsters, etc.). I disregard approach indicators, so my approaches are less ideal. Thus, I rely on "what works".

Personally, I prefer having loose objectives over specific steps, but that also requires more finesse than I currently posess.

Bro, you being in a college campus is a god send. I haven’t read any of your field reports so I can’t really give you much advice. But you should know your college. Where girls shop, coffee shops, supermarket, sorority row, make friends with frat guys to get invited to frat parties. See how they act in front of women and mirror some of that behavior.

I met a dude once that was a student at UC Berkeley. There was a party in his dorm so he invited me to be his wing, all the girls where there. I stepped into his dorm and it stanked of Cum. Dude spent all day jacking off. Windows closed. I’m sure women walking by his room could smell it. Don’t be that guy lol. But my point being, the opportunities in a college campus are endless. Those same girls you feel awkward approaching when they are running into class also go to Starbucks, they get food, they go to parties, etc.

 

[Ybatman]

I plan to get a type of girl. My problem is three-fold:

1. I daygame exclusively at my large university. I often cold approach women who are about to enter a classroom/vehicle and need a checklist to avoid looking sleazy/pushy. These interactions cannot unfold "naturally".
2. I never had a girlfriend, so having concrete points helps me know what to do. I have no instinct (just emotional sensitivity). It is like teaching a kid to add by giving him apples, then more apples.
3. For me, attractiveness = femininity × passion. I ignore the hot tomboy sitting there with nothing to do who notices me, and instead acknowledge the aloof girly girl in high heels walking toward a purpose on a timeframe who may have earbuds (that said, I've approached goth girls, Christian girls, socialists, party girls, hipsters, etc.). I disregard approach indicators, so my approaches are less ideal. Thus, I rely on "what works".

Personally, I prefer having loose objectives over specific steps, but that also requires more finesse than I currently posess.

Another thing. Forgot to mention this.

When walking towards or next to a woman near a classroom door or building door, Starbucks, etc. make sure you open the door and you lets her walk in before you. If she says “Thank you” then tell her “wow. A woman with manners, your parents raised you right” she should smile and you have a little conversation starter. It’s an opener.

if she doesn’t say anything and just walks by then act offended and say “Wow, not even a thank you?” Most likely she will feel the social pressure and say oh sorry. I didn’t mean to, blah blah blah. This again opens her. You just need to act offended. Say you now can’t take her to meet your parents. Blah bla bla. Use this as a call back humor. Whatever.

I always used this and still do to this day. Not to pickup but I hate rude people who don’t say thanks. Anyway. Forgot to respond to that situation so here it is.

 

[James D]

ok. For example. I saw a FR from someone that did an Anal close in a park. He was cocky and funny. With a little callback humor. But seemed he generated little attraction and went from zero to banging her in the ass with very little game. Like extremely little game.

That someone is me.

Maybe before using a member as an example of having "extremely little game", you could read the other reports of said member to get an overview of his approach.

And btw, Mr OG, being able to read her signals, figure out what she wants, how fast she wants it, and strike precisely when you must, is in itself a testament of decent game.

Using too much seduction on that specific chick would have been an overkill.

Running into a horny hot blonde who wants it in the ass on the same day might not be that rare of an opportunity.

What you do with that opportunity (if you even spot it) is a whole different story.

Not sure if a guy with "extremely little game" would turn in a profit from that opportunity tho.

But what the heck do I know, right?

 

[gameboy]

All due respect, but I really don't see how you can interpret fucking a girl you just met in the ass, in a public spot, as an example of a "mistake"!

 

[Ybatman]

All due respect, but I really don't see how you can interpret fucking a girl you just met in the ass, in a public spot, as an example of a "mistake"!

I didn’t say him fucking her was a mistake. I said how he got to fuck her was breaking many rules base on MY experience and MY style.

 

[Ybatman]

That someone is me.

Maybe before using a member as an example of having "extremely little game", you could read the other reports of said member to get an overview of his approach.

And btw, Mr OG, being able to read her signals, figure out what she wants, how fast she wants it, and strike precisely when you must, is in itself a testament of decent game.

Using too much seduction on that specific chick would have been an overkill.

Running into a horny hot blonde who wants it in the ass on the same day might not be that rare of an opportunity.

What you do with that opportunity (if you even spot it) is a whole different story.

Not sure if a guy with "extremely little game" would turn in a profit from that opportunity tho.

But what the heck do I know, right?

Well, this bring back memories hahaha

Look, being 100% honest, you closing this girl was foolsmate. You were at the right place and the right time. It’s not something to get upset about. Many men wouldn’t approach her. You did and fucked her. With little to no game but the fact you approached her and had a plan of where to go made you different.

the fact that I saw mistakes like I clearly said that Based on MY experience shouldn’t upset you. You use very little game. Good for you. Based on your report you met her and fucked her within 20 minutes of meeting her. Why would you get offended with what I posted?

Look, your response to my comment I’ve seen hundreds of times before. It speaks more about you than me. If I were you I would of ignored it and move on. I mean I’m just a dude on the internet. Who cares what I think if you’re frame is solid. But whatever.

I didn’t join here to get into a flame war with anyone. I just saw reports that I felt used little to no game. So I was curious what people here where using to pickup women.

no big deal. Like I said, I’m not here to cause trouble. Good on you for that foolsmate. Keep it up kid

 

[Skills]

I didn’t say him fucking her was a mistake. I said how he got to fuck her was breaking many rules base on MY experience and MY style.

Yes, you did not mean harm, i saw that, but you neg him indirectly... Not your intention... I like to point old heads here first:

The Time machine seducers

This is a phenomenon rarely discuss in the community, only some guys can tell (have to be very experience legit guys to be able to see this that ARE ACTUALLY OUT THERE GAMING)..... You have former gurus, posters, guys good with women and help and influence multiple guys get laid, for...

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