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Not one of my lines - nor one I would ever use. Not my style. No clue where he got this from.
Best,
Teevster
Not one of my lines - nor one I would ever use. Not my style. No clue where he got this from.
Best,
Teevster
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Yeah sex
talk on girls who work with sex or related is hard, simply because:
1. Any sexual reframes to make her feel"less slutty" about being sexual won't work, because likely, she does not give a shit - although this is only true on a prima facie level as most real prostitutes display some ASD the moment they start liking you/get intimate as a result of liking you. But OP is far from that point.
PS: I faced plenty of LMR with escorts - ironic right? Usually, such LMR is easy to disolve. They usually display LMR because they know are aware of their job and how it is perceived by society (and men in particular) and if they like you, they want to do anything compensate for the negative impact of the perception linked to their occuptation. Again, here I am referring to escorts who actually do this for a living full time, or part time.
2. Sexual prizing - she won't be impressed by your sexual knowledge and big dick factor. She sees men, and sexuality as something easily accessible and not very impressive. The threshold here is incredibly high, and usually of a more sophisticated nature - think of things as sexual narratives, kinks, and fantasies stuff (and no not the superficial "rough sex" fantasy - something more sophisticated an more emotional and psychological).
Good luck to OP. But way to get those girls is:
- Get lucky - right place right time.
- Social proof.
- Social frame (this is so key - tell her a funny story she can relate to about your stripper/escort ex or discuss a subject they can relate to, but it cannot be too superficial - it can be something like rich business leaders always are submissive etc... this requires inside info of their world though).
- Ignore the fact that she has "high sexual value", meaning no sex talk as this would fall into her frame that you won't control. Only run sex talk when you have the upper hand and only if you know what you are doing.
Bottom line: some men should learn to walk before running. Patience... patience... patience. And hard work of course.
Best,
Teevster
PS: my pretty VAST experience with such girls is that real prostitutes are usually damaged good, but are rarely toxic (usually very nice and good people - the moment you start treating them well, like humans). Those who are "halway" hoes (the hot "normal girl" who screwed that guy for 350 sugars/roses), are either super confident freaks (rare) or borderliners (or similar mental issues). Those who are only "quaterly" hoes (strippers, only fans etc) are always histrionic, oftentimes borderline and toxic.
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At OP: Honestly, I think it's just easier to remember that there a girls who look just like her and aren't doing only fans. That ironically would have helped with your frame as you were talking to her, if you went in your head "meh, she's not as easy as she needs to be consider that there's a ton of other girls with the exact same body, but who don't do OF and are easier to game, but I'll entertain it and give her a chance".
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Men like such girls because of their sexual status. They are girls who "like sex" and sell the perception of being experienced and dirty in bed. Basically those girls are using some form of sexual prizing on men.
Many such girls have been boring as hell in bed. All talk no walk.
PS: TO ME the whole "I am a stripper"/"escort"/"Only fan" is in 90% of thre time a shittest (does not necessarily mean she is lying though, although possibily, but unlikely).
Men fall so easily for girl game. Even when it is so obvious.
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Yeah it's ego. A lot of guys want to brag that they for example closed a stripper. And I'm thinking to myself "but there are chicks who look exactly the same as that stripper and are much easier to close, with less effort and investment, how is it a flex to say you paid more for the same service?"
I didn't know that some women actually capitalize on this as a form of girl game, but it totally makes sense now that you explained it.
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Wow. This post is still getting traction and it's been like a month since it happened.
I might have to do a separate post on how to score an onlyfans girl, and ask for a type of breakdown from open to meet-up date close.
See the interesting thing for me here, is "That One Special Girl" who motivated me to finally "learn game" a couple years ago IS a pretty successful onlyfans girl, and perhaps a high-end weekend escort in Vegas. Although I never confirmed the high-end escort thing, despite having some strong suspicion.
We were connected through my Art Photography and she presented herself as a strict Art Nude Model and Fashion Model who "didn't show pink." She was very into me and my work in the beginning - and not knowing game, or how attractive females like this work (plus having a rough life situation at the time) - I did every mistake in the book!
EVERY MISTAKE!
And then when I discovered she did onlyfans, with some b/g stuff too - my head exploded, and I slut shamed her, and did what you would expect from a complete novice.
But that's what brought me here. And where I was trying to redeem myself (for myself) with this other onlyfans girl...
(Plus since the other girl was looking for another onlyfans girl to connect with, the imp in my head thought I could connect the two...Cuz, I would still like to get the original girl back, or at least show her (for myself) how far I have come along. Nah, I'm lying. I'd still like to get her back, ha...ha...ha...)
So anyway... this has been a Hell-of a learning experience. There's still way more to go! (Oye Vey)
for NOW, I'm just trying to daygame a 4th of July Lover, and am hitting some walls. Basically I approach whatever looks interesting to me, be-it an onlyfans model in a see through yellow jumpsuit, a tall attractive red head production executive at the Wholefoods, two cold-as-ice Russian girls in Beverly Hills (not a duo, 2 separate approaches), the 21 year old actress student(possible OF girl), etcetera...
Superglad I can get this professional incite, and share experiences with others who might be in the same boat...
I might have to do a separate post on how to score an onlyfans girl, and ask for a type of breakdown from open to meet-up date close.
See the interesting thing for me here, is "That One Special Girl" who motivated me to finally "learn game" a couple years ago IS a pretty successful onlyfans girl, and perhaps a high-end weekend escort in Vegas. Although I never confirmed the high-end escort thing, despite having some strong suspicion.
We were connected through my Art Photography and she presented herself as a strict Art Nude Model and Fashion Model who "didn't show pink." She was very into me and my work in the beginning - and not knowing game, or how attractive females like this work (plus having a rough life situation at the time) - I did every mistake in the book!
EVERY MISTAKE!
And then when I discovered she did onlyfans, with some b/g stuff too - my head exploded, and I slut shamed her, and did what you would expect from a complete novice.
But that's what brought me here. And where I was trying to redeem myself (for myself) with this other onlyfans girl...
(Plus since the other girl was looking for another onlyfans girl to connect with, the imp in my head thought I could connect the two...Cuz, I would still like to get the original girl back, or at least show her (for myself) how far I have come along. Nah, I'm lying. I'd still like to get her back, ha...ha...ha...)
So anyway... this has been a Hell-of a learning experience. There's still way more to go! (Oye Vey)
for NOW, I'm just trying to daygame a 4th of July Lover, and am hitting some walls. Basically I approach whatever looks interesting to me, be-it an onlyfans model in a see through yellow jumpsuit, a tall attractive red head production executive at the Wholefoods, two cold-as-ice Russian girls in Beverly Hills (not a duo, 2 separate approaches), the 21 year old actress student(possible OF girl), etcetera...
Superglad I can get this professional incite, and share experiences with others who might be in the same boat...
I'm getting into shoots, been an amateur for a long time, but getting serious and want to shoot with girls as collabs.
Its actually a good angle in daygame and I've been opening some of the girls with a photoshoot related opener. I even did a little street fashion photoshoot with one of the girls I opened on the street, sent her pics, in talks about doing a full on scheduled shoot.
Is there some way we can share tips and tricks since we're possibly doing similar things.
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Move on from those OF girls. You are liking the for the wrong reason. At this point you are simply fetishizing them because a girl who liked was one, and all you are doing is trying to find some replacement, or, get the initial one. Hint: you won't - neither get her nor get other OF girls. This fetishization will be default put such girls off, and they can sense it.
Here is what caused all this:
1. You met a girl you liked
2. She sexual prized herself hard - as this "sexual girl" ("girl who likes sex" TM) and you got hard by it, started to chase.
3. Then you could not get her, which only amplified the sexual prizing, while creating a sense of pain, from not getting her, leading to a fetishization.
Seen this happening. Similar things has happened to me too, although not with OF girls, but with some swinger chick. Same shit.
You simply got to meet other girls, and realize they can offer you the same, or something different but equally good, if not better - and this includes on a sexual level.
Here is a fun fact: very often, girls who promote a sexual vibe, a sexual persona, make a carrier out of sex are over half the time just talk and shit in bed. The best fuck I had was with a nerdy computer scientist - introverted, dressed like crap (was one of those "holy shit that body" the moment you took off her unsexy clothes).
Reflect on this for a bit.
Nice thread, didn't catch it until recently (been pretty innactive lately), and this is the kind of girls I am extremly experienced with, so obviously I got dragged to it, and resurected it.
Nothing wrong with that.
Best of luck
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You are not wrong but this is not unique to men chasing girls. People like prestigue. Why buy expensive brand clothes. It is a status thing - social capital.
And social capital has its place. Not only is it a real thing but it also serves a purpose.
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I agree that you seem a bit fixated on the Onlyfans girls. What's so cool about Onlyfans anyway? I find the site almost totally unusable with all the doomscrolling and you-have-to-pay-my-subscription-to-see-anything-at-all-and-even-then-every-other-photo-costs-extra
That said, the way you described the girl going out running with her transparent bodysuit (iirc) did sound sexy.
That said, the way you described the girl going out running with her transparent bodysuit (iirc) did sound sexy.
Since this evolved into a general conversation about girls from OnlyFans, I'll also chime in. I just treated them the same as everyone else...
Girl 1:
Girl 1:
- Met her at a mall right before closing time during winter
- She was wearing a green sweater with a black skirt
- On vacation from Fresno, CA (a city 3 hours from LA)
- Apparently, she lived together in the same house with her gay best friend and the gay best friend's husband (wtf?)
- They grew potato in their backyard
- Her main job was promoting some cannabis brands on Instagram, and OF was her side hustle
- When we talked, it was like she met a man in real life for the first time in a year and was all over me asking questions
- After she mentioned her OnlyFans and Instagram presence, I immediately moved off those topics and ask her if she had any talents off the screen
- She qualified and mentioned that she played the guitar, ukulele, and did some things I can't remember
- Her gay best friend showed up, and we bantered
- They had to fly home in an hour or two, so I took down her number
- She gave me her first + last name, hugged, and said she would text me next time she's in town
- Met her on the train
- My phone was at a 1% charge so I was asking around to see if anyone had a portable charger
- One of her relatives lived out here, and she was finishing some extension courses
- It was a 3 min convo since her stop was the next one
- To thank her for letting me charge my phone (it went from 1% to 3% lol), I number closed her and offered to hang out as a reward
- Over text was when things got bizarre
- She responded to 90% of my texts within 5 mins
- We were talking about how she was looking for a job and how it's a tough market
- I transitioned out of it and started using 2nd gen talk over text
- She asked about my personality type and whether I was going to start my own business
- I mentioned how it's similar to OnlyFans where you have to manage your on leads, market, understand your target audience, etc. and that's too much work
- All hell started to break loose after this
- She related and said she had an OF, but her content was for female audience only
- She had a boyfriend in the past, but something happened and she became lesbian
- I said that some guys have no idea what they're doing these days and that's why they disappoint a lot of women
- Then I soft closed and hinted at a meet
- She said she's 100% not into guys these days
- We could still hang out but it would be as friends only, and nothing would happen between us
- She asked if I've ever been with a guy before
- An avalanche of random sexuality questions like the one above followed
- I was trolling and said I identified as a woman, but she said she's still not attracted to me either way
- She even threw in a shit test and asked if I picked up a lot of girls on trains
- I passed this one, and stopped responding as she kept pelting me with more random ass questions about where I got my style and inspiration from
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Man I would love to read the LR for this. Sounds like the crème de la crème of PUA - seducing a nerdy girl who doesn't look the type, only to find out she's super sexy and a freak in bed. I feel like that's every guy's true fantasy, not the delusion sold by OnlyFans girls which is more about fetishizing as you said.
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Yeah, that caught my attention too :/
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I chuckled a bit when you labelled this "crème de la crème" of pua. Those girls are not very difficult in the sense that they rarely play mind games and are usually ignored by most guys - because most guys judge them as boring, a-sexual and sometimes "shy".
They rarely test, they rarely resist (if they like you and want you), they rarely play jealousy plots, they rarely make trouble.
However the main difficulty is that, they tend to talk little, and tend to be pretty irresponsive. They do not give you much to work with as they do not speak much, they do not show much overt interest (it is very subtle, if any at all) - they do not react to what you do - it can feel like talking to a wall. The introverted girls tend to just listen, and it is easy to assume they are lost causes, but with those introverted girls, you know they are interested if they STAY and listen to you and seem immersed. You can test compliance by asking her to follow you around (ref moving her). If she does, you can basically just invite her home.
However, if they resist it is usually a clear NO.
The main problem I have with those girls is that they can be a drag to pick up. However, they may be quiet socially, but once in bed, they are anything but.
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Great discussion.
I've only been sexual with 2 OF girls.
One was super fucking hot (fake tits, fitness model) and above average in bed but from a technical standpoint nothing crazy (except her mind which was and still is that of a bipolar toddler) .
The other, was very girly cute and did all these cosplays (which I for sure fetishized), but she literally had Dyspareunia (https://familydoctor.org/condition/dyspareunia/). Never had sex, because when I tried fingering her it was extremely painful for her. Something to do with her vaginal tissue.
Never judge a book by it's cover.
I've only been sexual with 2 OF girls.
One was super fucking hot (fake tits, fitness model) and above average in bed but from a technical standpoint nothing crazy (except her mind which was and still is that of a bipolar toddler) .
The other, was very girly cute and did all these cosplays (which I for sure fetishized), but she literally had Dyspareunia (https://familydoctor.org/condition/dyspareunia/). Never had sex, because when I tried fingering her it was extremely painful for her. Something to do with her vaginal tissue.
Never judge a book by it's cover.
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Interesting stuff Hue...
Just curious for the group, and the crazy traction this thread had made.
Should I do a separate thread specifically asking a breakdown of how to seduce and score a Female who is a "High End Escort," Successful OF girl like the ones mentioned, and legit Brazzer's or Reality King's girl?
I'm increasingly curious, because I am oddly encountering them more on a regular basis out here in Southern California. I think it's geography.
Although it also seems that there are plenty in Eastern Europe, Hungary, and down south in Venezuela - one really popular girl I know of down there.
There is a lot of good info packed in this whole thread, but maybe if I create a cleaner new one, that is a bit more objective, any response could be clearer than what might have gotten confusing here.
If not that's cool too...
Just curious for the group, and the crazy traction this thread had made.
Should I do a separate thread specifically asking a breakdown of how to seduce and score a Female who is a "High End Escort," Successful OF girl like the ones mentioned, and legit Brazzer's or Reality King's girl?
I'm increasingly curious, because I am oddly encountering them more on a regular basis out here in Southern California. I think it's geography.
Although it also seems that there are plenty in Eastern Europe, Hungary, and down south in Venezuela - one really popular girl I know of down there.
There is a lot of good info packed in this whole thread, but maybe if I create a cleaner new one, that is a bit more objective, any response could be clearer than what might have gotten confusing here.
If not that's cool too...