Opinion on "Looks"

[lutgardis]

Don't worry this is not a blackpill post. But after I started going out a lot, I noticed some things that I wanna share and ask your opinion on the same.

In my personal anecdote, "looks don't matter". Now I have a good reason for this. If you look like Brad Pitt, will girls look at you and you will have an easier time? Yes. Does this mean looks matter? Well keep reading. If you look like an ugly troglodyte, will girls look at you with curiosity? Yes. Will you have a harder time? Yes. However, if you are average looking like most people, most girls won't look at you. You will be kind of a background character. So for most people, looks do not matter.

So how do you escape being a background character? Approach. With cold approach, attraction is immediate because you kind of get that main character energy. Girls concentrate solely on you and no one else in the background.

I have another personal anecdote for this, I have friends who look better than me and when I approach the girl (with the friend not speaking at all but standing beside me), they would just concentrate on me. Like the friend didn't exist at all. It went the same away when my friend approached (they don't pay attention to me at all even if I am standing right beside him). So when I approach with full confidence, some of these girls' eyes just light up as if they seen Brad Pitt irl. But lemme tell you, these same girls wouldn't give me time of their day if I met them in a social setting. Because then, I don't stand out and there is competition with other guys, who will also be talking to her in that social setting. You beat that competition by cold approaching. Cold approach is like a cheat code.

Btw apart from confidence, stuff like pre-selection or any thing that adds value also causes attraction.

TLDR:- In regards to most men, looks don't matter. Confidence matters more than looks. Same girl can reject you or accept you depending on the confidence that you demonstrate and not your looks. You just gotta pass the looks threshold which you will, unless you look like an ugly troglodyte. And demonstrating high confidence can be done via cold approaching.

What do you guys think? This is what I have noticed so far in my pickup journey.

 

[Adventurer]

Don't worry this is not a blackpill post. But after I started going out a lot, I noticed some things that I wanna share and ask your opinion on the same.

In my personal anecdote, "looks don't matter". Now I have a good reason for this. If you look like Brad Pitt, will girls look at you and you will have an easier time? Yes. Does this mean looks matter? Well keep reading. If you look like an ugly troglodyte, will girls look at you with curiosity? Yes. Will you have a harder time? Yes. However, if you are average looking like most people, most girls won't look at you. You will be kind of a background character. So for most people, looks do not matter.

So how do you escape being a background character? Approach. With cold approach, attraction is immediate because you kind of get that main character energy. Girls concentrate solely on you and no one else in the background.

I have another personal anecdote for this, I have friends who look better than me and when I approach the girl (with the friend not speaking at all but standing beside me), they would just concentrate on me. Like the friend didn't exist at all. It went the same away when my friend approached (they don't pay attention to me at all even if I am standing right beside him). So when I approach with full confidence, some of these girls' eyes just light up as if they seen Brad Pitt irl. But lemme tell you, these same girls wouldn't give me time of their day if I met them in a social setting. Because then, I don't stand out and there is competition with other guys, who will also be talking to her in that social setting. You beat that competition by cold approaching. Cold approach is like a cheat code.

Btw apart from confidence, stuff like pre-selection or any thing that adds value also causes attraction.

TLDR:- In regards to most men, looks don't matter. Confidence matters more than looks. Same girl can reject you or accept you depending on the confidence that you demonstrate and not your looks. You just gotta pass the looks threshold which you will, unless you look like an ugly troglodyte. And demonstrating high confidence can be done via cold approaching.

What do you guys think? This is what I have noticed so far in my pickup journey.

I have the same opinion, if you look normal and/or cool and meet basic looks thresholds (most of which is basic fashion, hygiene and grooming) everything is fine

I noticed what happens when you fall below looks thresholds though. When I traveled, I gained a bit of weight and it was not easy to find a gym or hair salons sometimes, so I was not looking as good. Guys start to doubt you to your face when you talk about your experiences with girls, and more importantly, other people will try to talk shit about you to your girls when they think you're not listening

"Who is that guy, he looks terrible, you can do better" becomes something you have to deal with I had no idea

So yeah fundamentals are not the end of seduction but they are pretty important

 

[KJ Francis]

Reminded me of this thread from Warped Mindless regarding her looks threshold.

The Relationship Between Attraction, Seduction, and Game Explained!

Introduction In this article I’m going to shatter some common misconceptions by not only explaining what “Game,” “seduction” and “attraction” are but also how they relate to one another. But first, label each of the following statements as true or false: Attraction and seduction are the same...

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But yeah, I agree looks (at least natural facial handsomeness) are far less important to girls in mate evaluation than they are to us. I suppose a good looking guy signals that his male ancestry was able to seduce and mate with good looking women, so his genes are sort of preselected, but that's kind of a reach.

Regardless, I think girls screen more for your behavior, which takes more time to convey via your personality and game. I guess our mate value is more action-oriented, tied to safety and protection ability, etc. plus talents that may get passed on through our genes. Her value would be more tied to looks due to fertility reasons and current-time ability to host the child, breastfeed, etc. Why else would we be attracted to tits if not to fulfill their function for our offspring?

I think facial symmetry signifies internal body health to a degree? Not sure. I wonder why we evolved to like a "pretty face" in general though. I am finding this interesting to think about.

But yeah, in terms of female-to-male interest, I'm sure being extremely outlier-level handsome is an indicator of some good genes, but otherwise I'd agree you just need a passing grade (or maybe B-).