People with 'respectable' job fields or work at prestigious companies, how is your seduction life?

[DaVinciMatrixStyle]

This includes engineers, doctors, lawyers, etc including anyone that works for FAANG, how is your seduction life?

 

[ulrich]

As an engineer, I can tell you that my seduction life within my engineering jobs was close to non-existent.

Very few women, less than a quarter of them are attractive, less than half of that are available.
I used to meet a reasonably attractive woman from work once every two years.

Yeah, engineering sucks for seduction.

 

[Chase]

I worked 4 years at one of the big name prestigious consulting companies that everybody knows.

I was all excited when I started working there, thinking girls would just jump on my cock as soon as I told them where I worked. They would act all impressed when I told them, then not text me back. For a while I tried handing out my business card, thinking that would get them super wet, but even though the girls I was giving it to were acting all interested when I gave them my card and told them to text me I never heard back from any of them.

After the first six months or so I stopped trying to work what I did into the conversation and would only mention my company name if the girl really pressed for it. Almost none of the girls I picked up ever did. Then after another year or so I quit talking about my job at all, and started telling women I was a writer. Then when I started acting lessons and began getting bit parts in independent films I was an actor. I wouldn't even mention my big name prestigious job unless I was talking to some super logical chick who wasn't taken in by "writer" or "actor", in which case I would just say "But I have an office job downtown that pays the bills" (at which point every super logical office chick would kind of sigh and go "Okay" and you'd see this relieved look on her face).

Then I left the corporate world and started telling women I was unemployed and immediately my close rates went up. I was going around saying, "Geez, I should've started telling women I was unemployed YEARS ago!" Of course offsetting the "I'm unemployed" bit was the fact that I looked, dressed, and acted like a guy who works a well-paying office job, so... I don't know what women assume exactly when you look like that yet say you're unemployed, but my guess is it's something like "it must be temporary" or "maybe he's secretly wealthy."

I had a buddy in NYC I met on a private seduction forum who was an internist (graduated from Yale Medicine). The last time I visited him he told me he was tired of working at the hospital and wished he'd done something different with his past 10 years so he could've focused more on seduction instead. As it were he said he almost never got laid. We picked up a couple of girls at a hotel bar, which was like... pretty par for the course for me, but for him it was a really impressive, rare thing.

Some of my clients when I was coaching pickup in San Diego were corporate guys from big name companies. The guys who always did best with girls though were either artists, entrepreneurs, or guys with some kind of eclectic business, like managing a hostel. The corporate guys ALWAYS struggled.

I have theories for this... but all I can say for sure is that to me, impressive / well-paying corporate job = it's probably gonna be hard for you with women.

One it might be different for is lawyers... I know a few lawyers with hot, younger trophy wives. Which kind of makes sense -- lawyers are pretty much constantly in a dominant position, advising clients, being knowledgable, arguing and debating. They are extremely verbal (and you need verbal skills for most forms of seduction), and if they're any good they have rock-solid frame control. I've never known a lawyer PUA (though at least one of our former writers went on to be a lawyer... wonder how he's doing these days) but I have to imagine if any of the jobs from the group you listed were potential winners for an aspiring seducer, lawyer would be the one.

Chase

 

[DaVinciMatrixStyle]

I have theories for this... but all I can say for sure is that to me, impressive / well-paying corporate job = it's probably gonna be hard for you with women.

Chase, do you think this is an attainability issue or a provider issue?

I find this topic very interesting because my college develops a lot of these FAANG type of workers in the culture. I'm not really interested in it and kind of unemployed right now. What I've noticed is that though 'prestigious jobs' gets you respect from society in general, it rarely translates to getting women. In fact, I tell girls that I don't work but they tend to gravitate towards me more which I found interesting (although at the cost of 'respect from other men')

I hope to actually get into med school and become a doc in the future, but I also never mention it. For the people who do work corporate jobs or 'prestigious jobs', is it just best to mention that you are unemployed? And if she happens to find out you have a 'prestigious job', it becomes 'impressive' or you switch from a lover to a provider in her eyes?

 

[TomInHo]

Women think way too much and if you work in a "respectable" job they will talk themselves out of the seduction.

There's this video I saw on Youtube where this girl rejected a guy that was a nuclear physicist, and said he was corny, which I have to admit he kinda was...

And for me I've also seen that having a prestigious career can make women auto-reject

I'm currently a fitness model & entrepreneur with a pretty decent following on social media. And you would think that my job would get me tons of pussy, but whenever I share with women what I actually do or give them my social media, they always get very self conscious and start projecting a lot of their insecurities on me.

For example, I remember once meeting a woman at a coffee shop and had a great conversation with her with lots of sexual tension but couldn't close that day so we exchanged numbers. But when I tried to setup a date she was extremely cold and would not setup plans. I confronted her on her indecisiveness and she said she looked me up on google and found my social media and said she didn't want to go out with a man that was a "KEN DOLL".... insane

Now when girls ask me what I do, I just say I'm an exotic dancer and if they play their card right I'll give them a free show

 

[climbingup]

Women think way too much and if you work in a "respectable" job they will talk themselves out of the seduction.

There's this video I saw on Youtube where this girl rejected a guy that was a nuclear physicist, and said he was corny, which I have to admit he kinda was...

And for me I've also seen that having a prestigious career can make women auto-reject

I'm currently a fitness model & entrepreneur with a pretty decent following on social media. And you would think that my job would get me tons of pussy, but whenever I share with women what I actually do or give them my social media, they always get very self conscious and start projecting a lot of their insecurities on me.

For example, I remember once meeting a woman at a coffee shop and had a great conversation with her with lots of sexual tension but couldn't close that day so we exchanged numbers. But when I tried to setup a date she was extremely cold and would not setup plans. I confronted her on her indecisiveness and she said she looked me up on google and found my social media and said she didn't want to go out with a man that was a "KEN DOLL".... insane

Now when girls ask me what I do, I just say I'm an exotic dancer and if they play their card right I'll give them a free show

I agree that video is a lil bit corny.

"I got a 96 in my exam..it goes up to 99 and I got a 96"

Why is telling her what his exam score is??? And he repeated it twice!

 

[Kezarin]

I agree that video is a lil bit corny.

"I got a 96 in my exam..it goes up to 99 and I got a 96"

Why is telling her what his exam score is??? And he repeated it twice!

Explicit vs implicit value
He has to tell her his value explicitly but that just makes him seem even less valuable ironically

 

[climbingup]

What you guys think of this guy?

I thought he was pretty chill and smooth

 

[PureGold]

Women think way too much and if you work in a "respectable" job they will talk themselves out of the seduction.

There's this video I saw on Youtube where this girl rejected a guy that was a nuclear physicist, and said he was corny, which I have to admit he kinda was...

And for me I've also seen that having a prestigious career can make women auto-reject

I'm currently a fitness model & entrepreneur with a pretty decent following on social media. And you would think that my job would get me tons of pussy, but whenever I share with women what I actually do or give them my social media, they always get very self conscious and start projecting a lot of their insecurities on me.

For example, I remember once meeting a woman at a coffee shop and had a great conversation with her with lots of sexual tension but couldn't close that day so we exchanged numbers. But when I tried to setup a date she was extremely cold and would not setup plans. I confronted her on her indecisiveness and she said she looked me up on google and found my social media and said she didn't want to go out with a man that was a "KEN DOLL".... insane

Now when girls ask me what I do, I just say I'm an exotic dancer and if they play their card right I'll give them a free show

Women only respect power, money and dominance. Things would have gone different if he had mentioned He gets a lot of money because of that job or that he is the owner of a Nuclear Building. Some of the smartest guys in my University got ugly girls.

Women don't give a fuck about your educational curriculum

 

[Winston]

From my experience prestigious jobs/positions create interest only when the girl is within the same field.

Like Chase I was a consultant in a prestigious consulting company, and in a context of cold approaches, it works decently well with girls that were also in the consulting industry, but other ones couldn't care less.

I think one big part of the problem is that most girls don't know outside of their own scope whether something is prestigious or not (so that is a marketing problem).

But on the other hand, there are some jobs that are "universally" prestigious, like lawyer, doctor, politician... for which everyone knows that it sounds prestigious. And I do think it play a positive role, but not as big as all the other attraction factors, so one should not make that the pillar of his game.

And I don't think working at Facebook or Google fall into the category of "universally prestigious", I rather think they fall into the category "you need a lot of marketing to convey it's cool".

 

[Chase]

@DaVinciMatrixStyle,

Chase, do you think this is an attainability issue or a provider issue?

I find this topic very interesting because my college develops a lot of these FAANG type of workers in the culture. I'm not really interested in it and kind of unemployed right now. What I've noticed is that though 'prestigious jobs' gets you respect from society in general, it rarely translates to getting women. In fact, I tell girls that I don't work but they tend to gravitate towards me more which I found interesting (although at the cost of 'respect from other men')

I hope to actually get into med school and become a doc in the future, but I also never mention it. For the people who do work corporate jobs or 'prestigious jobs', is it just best to mention that you are unemployed? And if she happens to find out you have a 'prestigious job', it becomes 'impressive' or you switch from a lover to a provider in her eyes?

Wrote an article as my response here:

Why It's Harder for Guys with Good Jobs to Get Girls

Guys with good jobs have a lot of good stuff going on. But, quite often, success with women isn’t one of them. Why is this so? For several reasons. We had a discussion on the Skilled Seducer forum recently where we talked about how a successful career intersects with a man's ability to succeed...

www.girlschase.com

Chase

 

[sab]

Become a pilot. Then you have all these gorgeous flight attendants to enjoy feeling lonely in their rooms after a flight away from home. There is a shortage of pilots so plenty of work and fun for years to come.

 

[Rain]

Then I left the corporate world and started telling women I was unemployed and immediately my close rates went up. I was going around saying, "Geez, I should've started telling women I was unemployed YEARS ago!" Of course offsetting the "I'm unemployed" bit was the fact that I looked, dressed, and acted like a guy who works a well-paying office job, so... I don't know what women assume exactly when you look like that yet say you're unemployed, but my guess is it's something like "it must be temporary" or "maybe he's secretly wealthy."

If they're assuming you're secretly wealthy, doesn't that take you out of the lover role and put you into the provider role/boyfriend role?

 

[JollyRoger]

I wonder if working corporate jobs affects your psychology.

1. You're part of a hierarchy and unless you're in the C-suite there are bosses and managers that you are subservient to.
2. Operating in a logical frame of mind for hours and hours every day.
3. Usually it's your only source of income which inhibits your sense of freedom.
4. Often can't express yourself authentically, have to put on a corporate personality to fit in.

 

[ulrich]

I wonder if working corporate jobs affects your psychology.

1. You're part of a hierarchy and unless you're in the C-suite there are bosses and managers that you are subservient to.
2. Operating in a logical frame of mind for hours and hours every day.
3. Usually it's your only source of income which inhibits your sense of freedom.
4. Often can't express yourself authentically, have to put on a corporate personality to fit in.

I can answer that from experience.

It really depends on the amount of freedom and autonomy you’re given.
I have been a salesman and some jobs I have had free rein over my regions/accounts while for some other I have my boss micromanaging everything I do.

Also some companies force you to deal with office politics which are crappy unless you’re part of the winning faction.

 

[johndoe]

If they're assuming you're secretly wealthy, doesn't that take you out of the lover role and put you into the provider role/boyfriend role?

The role a girl puts you in can largely depend on how you frame yourself too. Even if you are wealthy, if you do not carry yourself like a cash-dispensing machine, girls are not going to slot you into that role. They are going to try to goad you into doing those things though, if they know your job title or if you flaunt it early in the seduction.

Keep fancy dates and expensive things off the table. Offer only sex and fun. Then you will only be left with the girls who see your value beyond your provider status.

 

[DoWhatWorks]

Good question @DaVinciMatrixStyle

My dating life is good now but it definitely took some tweaking.

Similar to chase when I worked for a household brand I flaunted it, got a couple "wow" responses but it didn't help with my seduction

It's not even about your profession per se but more the emotions it triggers (more below).

Nowadays I brush off "what do you do?" with "I'm at a small tech company, where I look after clients" before changing the subject.

It's vague and sounds professional (enough) so if she's provider hunting she won't be turned off. I find 99% of girls just want to know that you're professional enough to be respectable but also not a boring type-A drone. Client facing roles are great for this.

Some observations:

• Have a qualified Lawyer friend who cleans up - think Chase's reasons are spot on
• Salesman also do very well - similar to Lawyers have to be driven/dominant to be successful yet also socially saavy. Anyone who's done sales also knows the cross over to dating is ridiculously similar

The best way to be professional and still get girls is:

1. Avoid the topic or skim past it which is pretty easy if you're having fun and discussing light topics, romance & deep diving

A nice transition is "Look you don't really care about what I do anyway... What are things you find exciting outside of work?"

2. Play a stereotype that is easy to understand and has positive connotations for seduction:

Nearly every single competent seducer I know does this consciously or unconsciously.

• Writer - thoughtful, independent, may be successful but may also be penniless, a lover, fun and exciting
• Entrepreneur - successful, driven ambitious hot and cold due to a busy schedule
• Artist - has emotional depth, exciting, intoxicating, an escape from the norm
• Athlete - in shape, driven, masculine, good in bed, a great catch before he becomes successful
• Stripper - sexual, fun, desirable a one off rare experience etc.
• Fighter - passionate, masculine driven, slightly broken a protector etc.
• Dancer - Adventurous, sociable, playful, talented, dedicated & good in bed

Pick one that's most congruent with you and highlight it depending on the kind of girl you're dealing with.

I personally play around with Dancer, Writer and depending on the girl Entrepreneur.

 

[Chase]

That's a great post by @DoWhatWorks.

Become a pilot. Then you have all these gorgeous flight attendants to enjoy feeling lonely in their rooms after a flight away from home. There is a shortage of pilots so plenty of work and fun for years to come.

Pilot is a great well-paying job for also getting laid.

A lot of the pilots I have talked to do quite well with girls.

If you're in the US you probably don't want to bang the stewardesses there... lol... unless you like overweight 50-year-old women or flamboyant gay men. But you can train as a pilot in the US then work for an overseas airline. Most nations outside haven't caught the "we need to have old, ugly, & gay stewardesses for social justice" bug and still have young, slim, attractive ones.

Otherwise though, you are in uniform, you are on layover just for a night, you have a nice hotel room your airline's paid for... you're shooting fish in a barrel here.

If they're assuming you're secretly wealthy, doesn't that take you out of the lover role and put you into the provider role/boyfriend role?

I said "assuming maybe."

There's a big difference between a definite assumption and a speculative one.

"Oooh, maybe he's a mystery wealthy guy!" is fun and exciting. Maybe he is! Maybe he isn't! So exciting!

"Oh yeah, I know him, he's worth $7.2 million," is not fun and exciting. Now it's just calculating whether she thinks she can get something from him, and if so, what (gifts? Status? A real relationship? A profitable divorce? Further, if she does go for a relationship with him, is he the kind of guy she wants for that, aside from the money?).

I wonder if working corporate jobs affects your psychology.

1. You're part of a hierarchy and unless you're in the C-suite there are bosses and managers that you are subservient to.
2. Operating in a logical frame of mind for hours and hours every day.
3. Usually it's your only source of income which inhibits your sense of freedom.
4. Often can't express yourself authentically, have to put on a corporate personality to fit in.

I am absolutely certain it does.

You can see the psychological shift in people working in offices.

They simply get used to operating in a world of rules and appearances.

There's a reason they call it 'soul-crushing drudgery'.

I had more freedom and autonomy as an auto technician working in the sweltering heat with grease and road grime on my arms and hands than I did as a decently well-paid white collar worker sitting in air-conditioned cubicles all day with nothing to do but attend pointless meetings and surf the web while trying to make it look like I was working.

The 1999 movie Office Space is all about this.

I feared it, tried to avoid it, failed, lived it for four years, then finally got free of it. #survivor

Chase

 

[Train]

The 1999 movie Office Space is all about this.

I feared it, tried to avoid it, failed, lived it for four years, then finally got free of it. #survivor

Chase

It's always funny seeing how excitedly empathetic my white-collar coworkers get when this movie is brought up lol.

Reminded of this clip that nails the feeling well:

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

This includes engineers, doctors, lawyers, etc including anyone that works for FAANG, how is your seduction life?

No time to go out.

My bar hopping/clubbing days are few and far between. More importantly, my desire to do so is much lower. (AGE!!)

Mostly I meet chicks via social circle/professional circles.

Have my career skills enhanced my game skills? Ehh, a tiny bit.
I'd say my game skills have done more for my career than anything else.

Prestigious job = more lays/higher quality? - Not really.

Beta Bucks = I don't really date chicks that would "level up" if they dated me. (I'd literally have to go abroad for that, or crack 500K.) Given the economy/profession/social circle, a lot of these chicks make as much or more.

Ex - Pulled up in the used 5, she had a new E-Class. We were talking about our driver experiences. She wanted to move up to something nicer.

More money spent on me? - tiny edge here and there. Now that things are getting back to normal, I am going to spend some money on some hard skills...but that's mostly for the profession.

More money spent on game/dates/women - hustling backwards for the most part. I got a big taste of lifestyle creep when I went from grocery store ramen to going to actual ramen shops.

Chicks will take whatever you give em, and get used to it, and expect MORE.

So this puts me in a predicament. I will take in a tasting menu once a month, but I go with my homies, not the females.

I'll be straight with you, was doing way better in the Honda than I have been in the BMW.

But that's 1) youth, 2) time, 3) energy 4) desire.

WIA