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Pickup is mostly about looks

Alexkx93

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Most of us have been conditioned by the pickup industry to believe that looks do not play a major role when it comes to having wild success with women, and that things such as game, dominace, confidence, being well groomed and changing your "vibe" are enough. Of course, these traits are things women like in a man, however, they only get you somewhere when the girl is ALREADY attracted to you. Women know from the first few seconds they see you whether or not they want to sleep with you or not. If a girl is not physically attracted to you, no amount of game or confidence is going to attract her, shes just going to be pissed or repulsed that some ugly guy is trying to pick her up. Now, imagine the opposite situation: a good looking guy approaches a girl. As soon as he says "hi" she looks up at him and is instantly enamored by his looks. She laughs at his jokes and touches him playfully, she even forgives all the clumsy mistakes he make as he's talking and trying to lead her. Now how likely is this woman to make setting up a date with this man difficult? Do you really think shes going to give him a hard time and with shit test and all that crap? (Unless she asks him if he is a player, which really is just a compliment because she suspects he gets lots of girls). Is it a coincidence that the vast majority of guys who sleep with lots of girls are tall and good-looking and the vast majority of guys who are sexless are ugly, manlets, or both? You, might say, "this is BS, I know lots of guys who are good-looking and they cant get laid to save their lives!" As if this argument automatically negated the face that good looks are the prime reason guys are able to sleep with lots of girls. This just simply means the good-looking guy is more passive. If an unconfident good-looking guy were to simply approach more girls and lead them (no game or acting like a clown required) he would blow any less attractive man who does the same out of the water. Furthermore, he would certainly get better looking girls than the less attractive man.
But cant an average guy become better good-looking by changing up his clothes and other attributes? Of course, but he will almost always have to sleep with girls below his looks level regardless. He certainly wont get girls above his range as a girlfriend, unless he has celebrity status or lots of money. And these are things low self esteem women and gold diggers are attracted to. These relationships also tend to be very volatile since the woman tends to only like the things this man has and not really like him for him. People mostly have boyfriends/girlfriends around their looks level, game wont help.

But what some people miss is that some guys are simply UGLY. I'm not just talking about having pimples or some other controllable thing(that matters too), I'm talking about having fucked up cranial and facial structure, asymmetrical faces that look repulsive, being very short, etc. It doesnt matter how much guys like these change their grooming or vibe or whatever, theyre still going to be ugly. And, of course, no one who teaches game is going to tell them their looks is the main cause of their failures. That would mean they lose profit. Ugly guys who cant get laid comprise the vast majority of pickup clients (most average looking-men are oblivious and content with having 1 or 2 girlfriends a year, and most good-looking men are already getting laid). Therefore, why the hell would an ugly guy buy pickup material if he was told his success was out of his control? Pickup artist love to say that if youre not getting success its because youre not implementing the material correctly. This is so other clients wont get discouraged and not buy their products. Never completely trust someone who is trying to sell you something.


An ugly guy cant become a master seducer of women just like a low IQ person cant become a quantum physicist. I dont care how much time you put into studying physics, you could learn from the best teachers in the world, but im sorry to say youre not going to become a quantum physicist. It would be wonderful to think you could, but even smart people struggle with higher level mathematics. Imagine being immensely hindered by a low IQ? That analogy relates perfectly to the ugly guy trying to become a seducer of women. No amount of confidence or game is going to help you unless youre already good looking, rich or a celebrity. Confidence and social skills are not that special, a girl nowadays can settle for a decent or good looking guy with that has these with ease, since they have so many options. Approaching girls if youre ugly will only ruin your self-steem due to the all the negative feedback you experience after constant rejection.

I know some of you are so indoctrinated in this pickup culture that you think ugly men can have wild success with women just like good looking men can because some coach tells you so, but then let me ask you, would you consider yourself ugly? Have lots of girls told you youre ugly? If not, then you dont really know.

Me talking to a pua: Friend: "Im ugly and pickup has helped me improve my social skills." Me: "Cool story bro, but did you get laid?" Pickup material has improved your confidence? Thats great, but did you get laid? Pickup has helped you have great conversations with women? Thats awesome, but did you get laid Most of us have been conditioned by the pickup industry to believe that looks do not play a major role when it comes to having wild success with women, and that things such as game, dominace, confidence, being well groomed and changing your "vibe" are enough. Of course, these traits are things women like in a man, however, they only get you somewhere when the girl is ALREADY attracted to you. Women know from the first few seconds they see you whether or not they want to sleep with you or not. If a girl is not physically attracted to you, no amount of game or confidence is going to attract her, shes just going to be pissed or repulsed that some ugly guy is trying to pick her up. Now, imagine the opposite situation: a good looking guy approaches a girl. As soon as he says "hi" she looks up at him and is instantly enamored by his looks. She laughs at his jokes and touches him playfully, she even forgives all the clumsy mistakes he make as he's talking and trying to lead her. Now how likely is this woman to make setting up a date with this man difficult? Do you really think shes going to give him a hard time and with shit test and all that crap? (Unless she asks him if he is a player, which really is just a compliment because she suspects he gets lots of girls). Is it a coincidence that the vast majority of guys who sleep with lots of girls are tall and good-looking and the vast majority of guys who are sexless are ugly, manlets, or both? You, might say, "this is BS, I know lots of guys who are good-looking and they cant get laid to save their lives!" As if this argument automatically negated the face that good looks are the prime reason guys are able to sleep with lots of girls. This just simply means the good-looking guy is more passive. If an unconfident good-looking guy were to simply approach more girls and lead them (no game or acting like a clown required) he would blow any less attractive man out of the water. Furthermore, he would get better looking girls the less attractive man.
But cant an average guy become better good-looking by changing up his clothes and other attributes? Of course, but he will be able to sleep with girls below his looks level most of the time anyway, and around his looks rarely, above his looks level extremely rarely. He certainly wont get girls above his range as a girlfriend, unless he has celebrity status or lots of money. And these are things low self esteem women and gold diggers are attracted to. People mostly have partners around their looks level.

But what some people miss is that some guys are simply UGLY. I'm not just talking about having pimples or some other controllable thing(that matters too), I'm talking about having fucked up cranial and facial structure, asymmetrical faces that look repulsive, being very short, etc. It doesnt matter how much guys like these change their grooming or vibe or whatever, theyre still going to ugly. And, of course, no one who teaches game is going to tell them their looks are their main hindrance. That would mean they lose profit. Ugly guys who cant get laid comprise the vast majority of pickup clients (most average looking-men are obliviously content with having 1 or 2 girlfriends a year, and most good-looking men are already getting laid). Therefore, why the hell would an ugly guy buy pickup material if he was told his success was out of his control? Pickup artist love to say that if youre not getting success its because youre not implementing the material correctly. This is so other client wont get discouraged and not buy their products. Never completely trust someone who is trying to sell you something.
An ugly guy cant become a master seducer of women just like a low IQ person cant become a quantum physicist. I dont care how much time you put into studying physics, you could learn from the best teachers in the world, but im sorry to say youre not going to become a quantum physicist. It would be wonderful to think you could, but even smart people struggle with higher level mathematics, imagine being immensely hindered by low IQ? That analogy relates perfectly to the ugly guy trying to become a seducer of women. No amount of confidence is going to help you unless youre already good looking, rich or a celebrity. Confidence and social skills are not that special, a girl nowadays can settle for a decent or good looking guy with these with ease, since they have so many options. Approaching girls will only ruin your self-steem due to the all the negative feedback you experience.

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Me talking to pua friend:
Friend: "pickup has helped me improve my social skills."
Me: "thats great."
Friend: " its also helped my confidence"
Me: "thats cool bro"
Friend: "you should try it too"
Me: "why?"
Friend: " bcuz bro im ugly and now I get lots of numbers and i have great conversations with girls"
Me: "did you get laid from any of this stuff"
Friend: "Not yet bro Im still working on improving my game and vibe"
Me: "how long have you being doing this for?"
Friend: "About three years."
Me: "lolololo I wonder why."
 

Sandman

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Get a life.
 

Alexkx93

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Wow, so they ban people here simply for telling a narrative that is different from the one this site advertises?
 

Franco

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Wow, so they ban people here simply for telling a narrative that is different from the one this site advertises?

Sure. :)

This forum is for learning techniques and discussing individual growth and improvement that derives from the articles and topics discussed on this website. It is not an "open" forum to use your minuscule anecdotal evidence to attempt to overturn an entire community that has devoted itself to helpful thought and discussion.

Enjoy posting on Return of Kings!

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Cacc

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Getting laid isn't about looks, or confidence, or nice clothes. Getting laid is about action. You can be Adonis, if you don't take action, you'll remain a virgin...
 

Chase

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Banned.

We've had this discussion a million times.

Fine if someone wants to bring it up (yet again) in an honest, thoughtful, open way. Most of the members here will probably be disgusted by it, but eh. Discussion is discussion.

However, when it's "Hello, this is my first post. I have the facts and everyone else who doesn't believe what I believe has been lied to, but don't worry, I'll enlighten you", then yeah, ban.

In case you're just tuning in, articles on the topic:


And yeah, we can strawman all day with extreme examples. Deformed people vs. male models ("Clearly, all that matters is looks!"), emaciated men from starvation-plagued areas vs. ripped, muscular, healthy men ("Clearly, all that matters is muscles!"), homeless guys vs. multibillionaires ("Clearly, all that matters is money!"), mentally retarded men vs. geniuses ("Clearly, all that matters is smarts!"), men with micropenises vs. men with colossal horse cocks ("Clearly, all that matters is penis size!"), whatever. Humorless men (like I assume the OP is) versus hilarious men. You know the drill.

If you're at an extreme disadvantage in any category, you are at an extreme disadvantage. Most people stay away from people with extreme flaws. Even these are sometimes surmountable, but that's another discussion (and one we've had before). Using deformed/disabled people to make your argument does not a good argument make.

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