Special Girl Quick reminder of the difference of our community vs other communities (red pill, mgtow, black pill etc..)

[Troy]

I read the interaction, you have tons of text charisma which very few ccommunity guys have, which is why they advise text to meet, you have the potential of having her soft closing and hard closing on you and even her sending you the money.... but you made too many silly errors, you made her uncomfortable to the point she was fearing violence if you didn't have sex with her.. and you were subcommunicating neediness and desperation which is not attractive, she was going to flake pre you sending the $25..... read any basic seduction book, review the fundamentals..

I will attempt to not change the topic too much on this post. But here are the mistakes I identified in my text conversation

Valentines Day - First Date And She Agreed To Come Straight To My Home

Edit: I realized how long this post had become, so I have moved all my questions to the top of the conversation and then the full interaction I had with the girl below. Summary Of The Valentines Date And Questions Basically I met this girl at work last year. And she moved to a completely...

www.skilledseducer.com

"9:27 PM - Troy: When I was coming into this world, my mom's umbilical cord got wrapped around my neck and nearly strangled me. That was risky. But here I am today . May I take you out for Valentine's?"

Looking back now, this line was kinda corny in my opinion.

"
12:50 PM - Aurora : Trying to be

8:24 PM - Troy: (man hugging woman GIF)"

I think the hugging gif was a mistake. Seems cheesy to me looking back now. I did not want to come across as insensitive. But also not too nice. So i decided to use a GIF instead of words. But it looks corny now.

"8:50 PM - Troy: I'm about to hit the showers then bed. While going up and down the place today, I stopped at a few supermarkets to inquire about the Twix Ice Cream. Honestly I never tried it before...but I love trying new foods. I stopped at 7 or 8 supermarket and they didn't sell it. I'll try one more in my area on Monday. If that's not available, which other ice cream or food do you love?"

Ok this was super corny. This definitely shows desperation. I am not her boyfriend and it sounds like I was running all over the city to find that one specific ice cream.

Aside from those, I honestly do not see any other mistakes in my text game. I actually was trying to close the text conversation sooner. But she kept piling on objection after objection. She was the one that was not trusting and I was trying to get her comfortable.

 

[DoWhatWorks]

^ But the main thing that they do unlike the other movements, is that they don't get bitter, resentful and talk and focus on the WOMEN IS THE PROBLEM.... This is the biggest problem from all the other movements vs our community, they are constantly talking about the WOMEN IS THE PROBLEM part 90% of the time, and 10% about solutions/strategies, if any.

100% agree.

To bring this thread on track & add another perspective what I really like about this community is that it focuses on:

Deeply understanding women.

Not the “1 perfect line” BS or just getting laid. But why girls do the things they do.

Eventually you can predict girls’ behaviour & know the reason for it better than them.

Also at a certain level (after the bitterness phase) you genuinely feel for girls & empathise with their struggle of locking down a man they actually want.

Can they have sex with a top guy? Sure but keep him around? Different question. Hence why girls are just as fustrared but for different reasons.

Lastly western girls have been lied to & many wake up 30+ with a dog, useless degree and un-inspiring partner (if they’re lucky) wondering what went wrong...

 

[climbingup]

100% agree.

To bring this thread on track & add another perspective what I really like about this community is that it focuses on:

Deeply understanding women.

Not the “1 perfect line” BS or just getting laid. But why girls do the things they do.

Eventually you can predict girls’ behaviour & know the reason for it better than them.

Also at a certain level (after the bitterness phase) you genuinely feel for girls & empathise with their struggle of locking down a man they actually want.

Can they have sex with a top guy? Sure but keep him around? Different question. Hence why girls are just as fustrared but for different reasons.

Lastly western girls have been lied to & many wake up 30+ with a dog, useless degree and un-inspiring partner (if they’re lucky) wondering what went wrong...

What do you mean by locking down a man they actually want?

What type of man do they actually want? They must understand that most women can't lock down a Brad Pitt or a Tom Holland. The same way I understand I don't have a chance with a Rihanna or Halma Sayek

 

[DoWhatWorks]

What type of man do they actually want? They must understand that most women can't lock down a Brad Pitt or a Tom Holland.

Lol it’s not even that extreme. 99% girls can’t even lock down the slightly above average looking guy they met on Tinder let alone a celebrity.

 

[trashKENNUT]

Lol it’s not even that extreme. 99% girls can’t even lock down the slightly above average looking guy they met on Tinder let alone a celebrity.

How many posts do we see of guys here avoiding commitment alone?

This is where the rubber hits the road.

What is real?

Literally, we have all this positions and I firmly confident that the answer is either in the middle, or no one knows.

Chase/Hector 'Transcend' Worldview:
"Quality Girls look for high value guys"

Zac 'Emperor has no clothes' Worldview:
"As long you believe in quality girls, she will use it against you"

Redpill Community 'Atheist' Worldview
"All girls are the same"

Naturals 'Can't See B4 Causality' Worldview:
"I just talk to girls and they like me."

Nightgame 'Anarchy' Worldview
"We all going to die anyway. So get whatever"

Again, this is off the top of my head.
Now, What is "real"?
I firmly confident that the answer is in the middle.
*Chase bans user named ZacAdam*


z@c+

 

[Chase]

(update: I moved the threads about @Troy's situation to this thread to keep @Skills's thread on-topic)

 

[Skjöldr]

I hope it's not the case and that the majority of women in today's society aren't trash and it's just that the worst kinds of women or the bad qualities of women just happen to be more highlighted than the good women. It's really hard to quantify this though because you can't really survey girls and ask them "are you a good girl" lol.

Average american woman is 171 pounds, little under 1.61 meters tall and has a waist circumference of 98 centimeters. Now that over half are gone to obesity, how many of the slim or slightly overweight girls are pretty? And how many of them are nice persons? You can see how it becomes a minority reeeally fast!

 

[Chase]

Average american woman is 171 pounds, little under 1.61 meters tall and has a waist circumference of 98 centimeters. Now that over half are gone to obesity, how many of the slim or slightly overweight girls are pretty? And how many of them are nice persons? You can see how it becomes a minority reeeally fast!

Just to put it in perspective, the average American woman is also 38.4 years of age

The biggest problem with big girls is how they dilute perception. Realistically, if you're a trim guy, you're not going for the 55% of under-30 women who are big girls; rather, those girls are being courted by the 55% of men under 30 who are big men, plus a few stick-skinny chubby chaser types. So they're almost like a parallel society within a society.

However, you are still going to see them everywhere, and it makes the relatively rarer thin, attractive women you see appear more valuable. It can lead to 'psyche out' problems where a guy is psyching himself out of thin, hot women because they seem like such a super valuable improvement compared to all the thunder thighs around.

The easiest solution is to construct your life so you're around trim, good-looking girls as much as possible and overweight chicks as little as possible... that way trim, good-looking girls feel like "normal, average girls" to you and you do not have that psyche-out problem that comes from being exposed to fatties all the time.

Chase

 

[climbingup]

I assume the best thing is to work on one's cold approach skills while also constructing a life where one is in a position of authority over attractive women.

One thing I have noticed even with my little experience was that restaurant managers always seemed to have slept with quite a few of their hot women staff.

 

[Skjöldr]

Just to put it in perspective, the average American woman is also 38.4 years of age

The biggest problem with big girls is how they dilute perception. Realistically, if you're a trim guy, you're not going for the 55% of under-30 women who are big girls; rather, those girls are being courted by the 55% of men under 30 who are big men, plus a few stick-skinny chubby chaser types. So they're almost like a parallel society within a society.

However, you are still going to see them everywhere, and it makes the relatively rarer thin, attractive women you see appear more valuable. It can lead to 'psyche out' problems where a guy is psyching himself out of thin, hot women because they seem like such a super valuable improvement compared to all the thunder thighs around.

The easiest solution is to construct your life so you're around trim, good-looking girls as much as possible and overweight chicks as little as possible... that way trim, good-looking girls feel like "normal, average girls" to you and you do not have that psyche-out problem that comes from being exposed to fatties all the time.

Chase

right, but if you're going for beautiful, slim, cute and sweet girls (who're getting rarer each day) you got a rough road and hard work ahead. Cold approaching is just going through the girls who are no good (bitchy, weird, NPC running life on autopilot or taken already) to find the beautiful girls with a kind heart. I will approach two different girls in exactly the same way and one will wrinkle her nose and call me weird and the other one will LOVE it. I don't take it personal anymore when a girl rejects me, politely or rudely. Fuck it.

 

[trashKENNUT]

from being exposed to fatties all the time.

Yessssss. Chase is still in his 'WWE Heel run'.

 

[Alpha13SC]

The easiest solution is to construct your life so you're around trim, good-looking girls as much as possible and overweight chicks as little as possible... that way trim, good-looking girls feel like "normal, average girls" to you and you do not have that psyche-out problem that comes from being exposed to fatties all the time.

Right. It's like, if you want to be a millionaire, hang out with millionaires. I know, very simplistic approach, but I think everyone get the idea.

Different social circle, different town or different countries make a big impact on what girls are you meeting. When I was in Bulgaria, I was wondering how dafuq they could have so many good looking girls.

 

[kestwanye77]

I hope it's not the case and that the majority of women in today's society aren't trash and it's just that the worst kinds of women or the bad qualities of women just happen to be more highlighted than the good women. It's really hard to quantify this though because you can't really survey girls and ask them "are you a good girl" lol.

Highly disagree

 

[Starboy]

Hmm you guys sound like you are discriminating against fat women and it's FATPHOBIC

 

[ulrich]

Hmm you guys sound like you are discriminating against fat women and it's FATPHOBIC

All weights are beautiful.

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

Beautiful!

I'll add one thing: to me, the main difference is that we love women. We adore them. We appreciate them. We think they're wonderful, lovely creatures who light up our world and make life worth living. We want the best for them, we want to see them genuinely happy!

This is not to be confused with simping. We don't see women as superiors. While some newer PUAs may be in this headspace, try to get their validation from women, ego gratification, try to trick women into sleeping with them even though they feel unworthy, that is not the PUA way.

The true PUA sees woman as his other half, opposite but complementary, equal in value but very different in traits. Like yin and yang. The white half of the circle is exactly the same size as the black half of the circle... same value. But very different! Polar opposite, in fact.

In some of these other communities, guys went from discovering that women have a dark side (which is true) to seeing women as all dark and dangerous... potentially malicious or even inherently malicious by their very nature.

What they overlook is that the masculine has a dark side, too.

The dark side of the feminine is the divorce rapist archetype... she steals his children, bleeds him dry for all his income, sues him, rape hoaxes him, gets him jailed on false accusations and destroys his life completely.

The dark side of the masculine is the abusive husband archetype... he drinks, cheats on her, gets her pregnant and leaves her behind, or stays around but abuses her verbally, beats her physically, or even rapes and kills women.

Both men and women have this dark side, but with both, it is only there in potential. It is up to each and every man and woman to let our lives be guided by a heart-connected way of dealing with the opposite sex, rather than this dark side of the masculine and the feminine.

-Karea Ricardus D.

 

[trashKENNUT]

The true PUA sees woman as his other half, opposite but complementary, equal in value but very different in traits. Like yin and yang. The white half of the circle is exactly the same size as the black half of the circle... same value. But very different! Polar opposite, in fact

This is where the 'Chase vs Zac' clash happens.
It's not even a day! and it happened again!

Firstly, I apologize to Girlchase members because we definitely going to clash more times on this very same essence in the next decade.

...

On paper (words), she is equal. But How high level guys treat women, 'reality wise', is very very different.

Very very different.

Here's the thing: You can't have 'rules for thee, not for me' playing in the background while claiming women are equal, especially in the internet world.

Damn... I sincerely want to see how the 'rubber hits the road' for PUA as pickup, community and the world.
My guess and i am firmly confident that i am correct. And that is Men created religion because there was no other way...

Sidenote:

1)Zac is in America as a reporter with a burning building at the back. "This is mostly peaceful."

Meaning: Zac sees PUA/society as a whole, can't U-turn the Titanic. So, they keep lying.

2)I guess this is why women also hate men. Because it is this very same essence (if that is the right word), that makes men can't understand women.

z@c+

 

[MuST0BtA1NSkR1Lla]

I dont think that is the case. I don’t want to speak for everyone but after youve been enough years in the field, you’re bound to get attached to some chick.

She may not screw you over, but you WILL make tons of mistakes with this first, second, maybe even third girl you get attached to. You may see things coming a mile away thanks to Chase and the other writers on this website’s advice but its one thing to read about it and another to go through it.

I think its a right of passage to go through getting hurt and dealing with unbearable pain, the way skills describes it. But once you go through it a few times, you come out the other end clearer, more resilient, and able to handle situations without your feelings getting in the way. Atleast I hope that this is the case- currently going through the breakup of my third attachment (many lays without ever getting attached) but already accepting it for what it is.

I think the attachment will come into a play when you get with a girl of higher caliber than what youre used to, and she pushes all the right buttons.

Oh tell me about it going through it right now, but it’s funny I’m so well prepared at this point that I’m a fortress of a man.

Casual blonde floozy, very feminine though and went after the older richer man. Yet somewhere in myself I felt the pang, I blame the endorphins and the game for making me aware that it’s all chemical reactions in my brain that are flash firing off in sequence to try to tell me to fall in love.

Ive told myself continuously and I know that I’m in the right instead of the wrong. Morally, psychologically all the micro aggressions and all the subtle off hand vibes with the betatization, the shit tests.

I some days curse the game, other days I praise being a part of it. Being a winner or a loser it’s a hell of an emotional rollercoaster.

Weirdly the Madonna whore complex is becoming a larger problem for me at this moment. That seems to be the biggest mental pull to swallow

 

[moom]

Oh tell me about it going through it right now, but it’s funny I’m so well prepared at this point that I’m a fortress of a man.

Casual blonde floozy, very feminine though and went after the older richer man. Yet somewhere in myself I felt the pang, I blame the endorphins and the game for making me aware that it’s all chemical reactions in my brain that are flash firing off in sequence to try to tell me to fall in love.

Ive told myself continuously and I know that I’m in the right instead of the wrong. Morally, psychologically all the micro aggressions and all the subtle off hand vibes with the betatization, the shit tests.

I some days curse the game, other days I praise being a part of it. Being a winner or a loser it’s a hell of an emotional rollercoaster.

Weirdly the Madonna whore complex is becoming a larger problem for me at this moment. That seems to be the biggest mental pull to swallow

How long were you seeing this casual blonde for before she left for the older man, and what would you guys do together?

 

[Skills]

Oh tell me about it going through it right now, but it’s funny I’m so well prepared at this point that I’m a fortress of a man.

Casual blonde floozy, very feminine though and went after the older richer man. Yet somewhere in myself I felt the pang, I blame the endorphins and the game for making me aware that it’s all chemical reactions in my brain that are flash firing off in sequence to try to tell me to fall in love.

Ive told myself continuously and I know that I’m in the right instead of the wrong. Morally, psychologically all the micro aggressions and all the subtle off hand vibes with the betatization, the shit tests.

I some days curse the game, other days I praise being a part of it. Being a winner or a loser it’s a hell of an emotional rollercoaster.

Weirdly the Madonna whore complex is becoming a larger problem for me at this moment. That seems to be the biggest mental pull to swallow

You are equating something somewhere in your seduction with she went for the richer and older dude... by doing so, you avoid personal accountability...I bet you have no evidence that is the reason she chose him over you...