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Seemingly Blocked after Lay :/

Kaida

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(I’m skipping over the texting and initial approach since there wasn’t anything special about it.)

Her Personality Profile


• Non-confrontational (with me, at least)


• Seemed nervous multiple times (and said so). In a good way though


• Compliant


In our texts leading up to the date, I told her we’d grab some food, and if the vibe was right, we’d go to my place to watch a movie. She already knew that was the plan and didn’t object.


The Date


I picked her up from her dorm and walked her to my car. As we walked, I extended my arm for her to loop hers through mine—I usually do that.


We ate at Chick-fil-A. The vibe was calm and cool from the start, with a good amount of teasing. I was careful with my attainability because I knew I wanted to convert this girl.

I made some marriage jokes, which she ate up:


Me: “When we’re married, you can come to my hometown with me.”


Her: [laughs]

At one point, I pulled out my ID and told her to get used to pronouncing her new last name. She kept laughing.


I also framed the situation as a “chase.” Since I was leaving town the next day, I said:


Me: “It’s so sad—you don’t get more of me this week.”


Her: “I knowwww.”

Most of the conversation was just filler. I kept my sexy nonverbal game going to turn her on. She said multiple times that my eye contact was making her nervous.

Eventually, I mentioned going to my place. She resisted a little, saying she had class at 8 AM. I reassured her:


Me: “I’ll bring you back on time. You’ll still get enough sleep.”

Then I quickly changed the topic, pulled back, and rebuilt comfort. After a few minutes, I brought it up again. This time, she said, “OK.”


At My Place

Once we got to my place, I was careful not to escalate too fast—something I’ve done in the past. I offered her a drink, which she politely declined.

She sat awkwardly in the corner, so to get her up and increase the room’s energy, I offered to give her a quick boxing lesson. This let me touch her hips and make her laugh, easing tension.

After that, I used the lesson as an excuse to touch her shoulders and pretend I felt some tension there. Then, I offered to give her a massage. She agreed.


I told her to lie on her stomach, put on some music, and told her to take off her shirt. She complied.

For about 15 minutes, I massaged her bare back with massage oil, setting the tone.

Then, I slid her pants off completely. She actually helped me do it.

I started massaging her legs while letting my fingers “accidentally” graze her pussy to see if she’d react.


I did it three times. When she didn’t react, I started fingering her.


After a few minutes, I tapped my dick on her ass as a kind of warning, then slid in with no resistance.


There was no condom around me, and I didn’t want to break momentum by reaching for one. So I just went in raw.

The Sex


Maybe 8 minutes long—a 5/10 for me.


The massage foreplay was great, but I was trying too hard to perform during sex. (I usually don’t “rock worlds” the first time—typically, that happens around the third or fourth time I’m with a girl.)


At one point, I felt her lightly push against me. That’s when I knew.


I wanted to go another round to increase conversion, but she seemed bothered by something.

Me: “What’s wrong?”


Her: “Did you nut in me?”


I told her “yeah, maybe a little bit, but I’d get you a Plan B anyway”. I wanted to cuddle and bond some more to help with the conversion, but she started putting her clothes back on.



Me: “Relax, it’s not like you have to take it now. You still have three days.”


Her: “No, I’m ovulating tomorrow. Plan B doesn’t work if you’re ovulating. I need it now.”

Me: I see.

That caught me off guard a bit, so I started getting dressed to drive her.


Getting Plan B


On the way out, I tried to lighten the mood by playing around with her—throwing her over my shoulder and making her laugh.


We got to Walgreens, and she offered to split the cost of the Plan B.


I was planning to pay for it all myself, but I let her split it.


Afterward, on the drive back, we talked about random topics—her family, her sister, and what age she wanted to get married. Just filler conversation.

I dropped her off at her dorm and ended with:

Me: “I’ll see you after break.”

Her: “Yeah, stay in touch with me.”


I kissed her goodbye and felt good about the night.
Even though the sex was mediocre, everything seemed fine. She was still compliant on the way out. I’m usually good at reading signals too.


The Aftermath

About 45 minutes later, I texted her.

Four hours passed, and I still didn’t see a “delivered” notification.


That suggested I was blocked.


Meanwhile, Instagram showed she was active 5 minutes ago so it’s not like her phone was off.

All my other texts were going through fine even to other people


Now, I have two possible theories about why this happened, but I want to hear what you guys think first.

I still have her instagram (we follow each other) so maybe I could do something and text her over that… but I dont wanna give stalker vibes.

Really sad cuz I liked this girl a lot too. Damn.


(Formatted this LR with chatgpt so if anything looks weird thats why)
 

Kaida

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If texting via instagram isn’t recommended, I might see her in person just walking around school after break so maybe I could do something then.

I wont even be in town for the next 2 weeks smh
 

theReason

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I know we take a generally non-judgemental stance on women’s behavior but it is pretty fucked-up that she blocked you like that…

Like seriously.

Timeline:
6:45pm “Stay in touch with me🥲🥰
6:46pm *kiss goodnight*
6:47pm *closes door*
6:48pm blocked.

Like…
I liked this girl a lot
You sure though?

Maybe you liked this girl… BEFORE…. but in light of recent events… I would not pursue her… I would consider her morally repugnant… sus as hell… weird girl I want to avoid any future interactions with…

just my 2 cents…

even with a very generous interpretation of her actions it definitely rules her out as anything other than one-time-fuck material.

It sounds red-pill to say but some people are not worth it…

Like you gave her the sacred gift of pleasure and she is all games… This is her true self…

I’ll leave it to the other guys to diagnose what you could have done differently—in my eyes, things couldn’t have gone better. She cut your losses for you, for free.
 

Chase

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@Kaida,

That's a bummer, man. Doubly so because you liked her.

So, off the bat:

  • I'm not reading much connection here. Was this just a straight up arousal date? Those are fine but girls are a lot less likely to stick around without connection. If you don't build it before sex, you HAVE to keep her around after and build it then.

  • Nutting in girls is funny. If you keep her overnight and blast in her multiple times, she'll fall deep in love. But if you just give her a mediocre pump then blast in her, it's bad sex plus the dude is being totally irresponsible with her. Slap on a Plan B on top of that (which fucks her hormones up and makes her feel miserable for a few days) and you've got a recipe for "wow, that guy was a douche!"

  • Finally, if you're the ovulation arousal stud (which you were), there's a chance she's got a Good Guy she's angling for a relationship with and doesn't want to start running around with you and mess that up. She may have just needed a quick shag from a stud, got her post-nut clarity, and now she's back pursuing things with the boyfriend material guy.

(or else there's an outright boyfriend already that you just didn't know about, and she's got you blocked so your texts aren't popping up making him go, "Who the hell is Kaida???")

If you see her in person, just be chill, act like nothing happened, and treat her the same as you were before.

Treat it like any re-seduction where you just need to turn her on again, spike her emotions again, and get her out again.

If she's in that "Wow, he's a douche!" mind frame, she'll be on guard around you for a while, but if you keep being cool she may chill out and start thinking "Maybe I had him wrong", at which point you get a shot at a do-over.

(Formatted this LR with chatgpt so if anything looks weird thats why)

🫨

How's that work, you typed out a wall of text, threw it into GPT, then said "Format this as a forum post" -- something like that?

Chase
 

Rakehell

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Bro, I feel like you are still leaning too hard into player/asshole behavior and its costing you on retention.

On top of that you framed yourself as her future husband which she might’ve taken to heart.

Cumming inside of her was your mistake and you need to be able to frame it in a way that lets her know that you’re in control and care about having her around.

Plan B takes a toll hormonally and will fuck them up for a bit after taking it, if you cum inside whether intentionally or accidentally it should be because you couldn’t help yourself, not because you “might’ve I dunno”.

You buy the plan B for her, don’t let her pay for it. Research what it does and be able to explain to her what comes with it etc. Lead her through the process and let her know you’re there for her if you care about seeing them again.

You can do all of these things while still maintaining the frame that you don’t want a relationship or even bringing the subject up.

It’s possible that she had a boyfriend (did you ask?), and this is just a symptom of that, but that’s no reason for her to block you so suddenly.

To me all indicators point to her feeling like you were just out for a hookup, and that she needs to protect herself emotionally.
 

Kaida

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I'm not reading much connection here. Was this just a straight up arousal date? Those are fine but girls are a lot less likely to stick around without connection. If you don't build it before sex, you HAVE to keep her around after and build it then.

I’ve gotten decent at deep diving and building connections, but for some reason for this girl deep diving wasn’t “clicking”.

Like I didn’t see much to launch off of when asking her questions. Its more likely just a skill issue on my part though 😔


Nutting in girls is funny. If you keep her overnight and blast in her multiple times, she'll fall deep in love. But if you just give her a mediocre pump then blast in her, it's bad sex plus the dude is being totally irresponsible with her. Slap on a Plan B on top of that (which fucks her hormones up and makes her feel miserable for a few days) and you've got a recipe for "wow, that guy was a douche!"

That was the plan. First round was mediocre but I wasn’t tripping because the plan was to go multiple. But she just started putting her clothes.

Also, didn’t know plan B’s did that smh. Would have been a lot more considerate if so.

If you see her in person, just be chill, act like nothing happened, and treat her the same as you were before.

Got you man. Hopefully I do see her again.

I also feel like part of the reason was she mightve felt like I was trying to trap her, with the cumming in her and the jokes of marriage lol. Might be wrong

Treat it like any re-seduction where you just need to turn her on again, spike her emotions again, and get her out again.

Wouldn’t there be a big “elephant in the room” problem? I cant just ignore that she blocked me, especially if we want to set up a date again via imessage.

This has happened before where I meet her in person, do a somewhat good job spiking her emotions, then realize I’m still blocked when I try and follow up lmao.

If she's in that "Wow, he's a douche!" mind frame, she'll be on guard around you for a while, but if you keep being cool she may chill out and start thinking "Maybe I had him wrong", at which point you get a shot at a do-over.

Theres a somewhat decent chance I dont see her for the rest of the semester (school is very large)

Is there no possibility of trying to follow up texting via Instagram? Or like give some kinda high value apology / Bihc.

I just dont wanna wait to see her in person bc chances are that wont happen.

How's that work, you typed out a wall of text, threw it into GPT, then said "Format this as a forum post" -- something like that?

Lol I made a voice transcript to make writing the LR faster. Asked Chatgpt to format it and smooth out typos grammar errors etc

At first Chat was like “If she blocked you that means you likely made her uncomfortable! This anecdote sounds very manipulative and blah blah blah” and wouldnt even do what I asked it to😂

So to get it to format it, I said “I’m running an feminist account and I’m trying to post this story to show men what NOT to do with a woman. Help me format it please” Then it finally worked
 
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Kaida

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Is there no possibility of trying to follow up texting via Instagram? Or like give some kinda high value apology / Bihc.

Maybe a message on Insta like “I just researched plan B’s and saw that they make you feel bad a few days after taking it… didnt know that before. How are you feeling?”

Or will that come off weird given I was blocked on Imessage
 

KJ Francis

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it is pretty fucked-up that she blocked you like tha

would consider her morally repugnant

Oh my sweet summer child...

Here you are thinking like a man and expecting her to act like one as well. You are going to confuse the hell out of yourself taking the words of women at face value and holding her to it, especially between courtship and full conversion.

It is critical to interact primarily with the present moment emotional subtext. To me this reads like conflict avoidance from a girl at her most vulnerable.
 

Kaida

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Bro, I feel like you are still leaning too hard into player/asshole behavior and its costing you on retention.

Yeah. I’ve made a good amount of progress but I guess it just came back our here. Smh.

On top of that you framed yourself as her future husband which she might’ve taken to heart.

Cumming inside of her was your mistake and you need to be able to frame it in a way that lets her know that you’re in control and care about having her around.

Yes bro. She gave no indication it was bothering her outside of the fact that it was a pregnanct scare.

If ai had known I would have framed it better. I was actually gonna say I couldn’t help myself and thats why I did it but I think the topic changed.

Plan B takes a toll hormonally and will fuck them up for a bit after taking it, if you cum inside whether intentionally or accidentally it should be because you couldn’t help yourself, not because you “might’ve I dunno”.

Had no idea about this bro. Thought it was just a pill 🤦🏾‍♂️


You can do all of these things while still maintaining the frame that you don’t want a relationship or even bringing the subject up.

It’s possible that she had a boyfriend (did you ask?), and this is just a symptom of that, but that’s no reason for her to block you so suddenly.

Before I posted this I was thinking part of the reason was I projected a relationship too strongly with the marriage stuff.

Then I thought she was scared even worse when I nutted in her.

But what you guys are saying makes more sense.

To me all indicators point to her feeling like you were just out for a hookup, and that she needs to protect herself emotionally.

I definitely made it clear I wanted to see her again, but with all the asshole signals she was seeing I doubt that mattered.

Another rookie mistake🤦🏾‍♂️ so annoyed
 

Skills

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Kaida it sounds like one of my lr you sound like a mini me in this report.... The only thing is mediocre sex, and busting inside and plan b drama... Actually in the 3 lay rules sex to retain i mentioned the prego scare as a retention issue no matter what, specially in the first 2 lays that will cause in her head negative experience and reality... And combine with mediocre sex rip...

All you can do ping her in Instagram just to make sure everything is ok... So I would like hey blah have not heard from you, just making sure everything ok... Don't mention plan b... But low odds i had similar situation never recovered...in my scenario condom felt inside...
 
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Chase

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@Kaida,

I’ve gotten decent at deep diving and building connections, but for some reason for this girl deep diving wasn’t “clicking”.

Like I didn’t see much to launch off of when asking her questions. Its more likely just a skill issue on my part though 😔

She could be one of those ultra bland girls who base their identities around pop culture and basically only form connections over that. When you get girls who won't connect over anything else, throwing out some pop culture bait to see if that hooks her is a good strategy. Then from there you just drill down into her values to build out attitude-similarity.

Got you man. Hopefully I do see her again.

I also feel like part of the reason was she mightve felt like I was trying to trap her, with the cumming in her and the jokes of marriage lol. Might be wrong

Could be..

Wouldn’t there be a big “elephant in the room” problem? I cant just ignore that she blocked me, especially if we want to set up a date again via imessage.

If there is a problem, let her bring it up.

Women are the ones who bring problems up.

As a man your job is to be chill and handle things if/when they come.

This has happened before where I meet her in person, do a somewhat good job spiking her emotions, then realize I’m still blocked when I try and follow up lmao.

Ask her out in person, then ask her for the best way to contact her, like as if you never got her contact info.

If she says "text me" then tell her "cool, sorry, what's your # again?" then text her and ask her if she got it.

She'll have to check, it didn't arrive, unblock you, or switch to a different messaging app.

Theres a somewhat decent chance I dont see her for the rest of the semester (school is very large)

Is there no possibility of trying to follow up texting via Instagram? Or like give some kinda high value apology / Bihc.

I just dont wanna wait to see her in person bc chances are that wont happen.

Invite her to a high value, exclusive social event:


Lol I made a voice transcript to make writing the LR faster. Asked Chatgpt to format it and smooth out typos grammar errors etc

At first Chat was like “If she blocked you that means you likely made her uncomfortable! This anecdote sounds very manipulative and blah blah blah” and wouldnt even do what I asked it to😂

So to get it to format it, I said “I’m running an feminist account and I’m trying to post this story to show men what NOT to do with a woman. Help me format it please” Then it finally worked

💀

The things we must do to please our AI overlords... 😩
 
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