Shit Test Repertoire

[Dash of Englishness]

I've had a look through posts on this forum (and site) about shit tests, and I've realised that there's a lot that deal with explaining what a shit test is, and how to have the right mentality for to handle it. When I read some of the ST examples in PUA articles, such as "I only date guys over 6 feet", I just kind of feel like they'd never happen in reality.

If everyone who views this thread, is capable of posting even one example of a shit test that they've encountered (whether passed or failed), then that's basically a lot to free wisdom for us to share. It's then inevitable that we'll encounter some version of the same thing when interacting with women.

I, of course, am willing to share the many interesting shit tests I've experienced, assuming that others are willing to share theirs. However, I don't expect the thread to be a success, so I'll hold off for now. I hope I'm wrong on that. Also, if you think this is a stupid idea, please reveal why.

Thanks

 

[ulrich]

“I’m not dating right now”

 

[Alpha13SC]

"I don t want to come from the 1st night at you" . . "My friends don t want to come in the club" . . "I will come to you to get a jacket so we can take a walk outside" "I don t want to sleep with you". After the deeds "I wanted to try how it s to sleep with a guy from the 1st night".

 

[Zoro]

A shit test is basically anything that challenges your frame.

It often manifests as a woman saying one thing, but not really meaning it, just to see if you BUY into her bullshit.

"we're not having sex tonight"

"I can't believe you said that"

It's one way for her to gauge your experience and get a feel for who you really are. I also think it's just a feminine unconscious process, a beautiful complimentary chaos to test a man's ability to organize himself and the world around him.

It can also be behaviors or anything that challenges your frame not verbally. Such as her acting a fool or rejecting you.

You know the classic "bitch face", it's a look that says "Don't talk to me, I don't want to meet anyone." While that might be true sometimes, it's also a common tactic to weed-out unconfident guys with weak frame.

A girl wearing a bitch face who actually wants to meet a man, will be delighted to have a guy approach her and not be phased by her initial coldness. The shit test being, "I don't want to meet anyone" and you fail by BUYING into that. Yet you pass by owning your own frame "I want to meet her, and she probably wants to meet me". The bitch face and coldness is just silly and cute to a man with solid frame.


I personally don't pay attention to shit tests individually. Because the key to passing any and all, is having solid frame yourself. Know what you want, what you stand for, what your intentions are, etc.

 

[Red]

I don't like wasting my time with bitches, so if it shows she's a nasty person I bounce. Otherwise I ignore it.

 

[Dash of Englishness]

the key to passing any and all, is having solid frame yourself. Know what you want, what you stand for, what your intentions are, etc.

Well I could have told you that myself. Here's the thing; having a solid frame is easier said than done. If you really have that solid a frame, then what are you even doing on this site? Even if, on average, your frame is super strong, it will sometimes be weaker than average depending on your state.

Take this shit test (posted by user Spyce D) for example... guy approaches girl in club and compliments her hair... her response is "I love my hair too". Now I'm sure most guys who brag about having a solid frame could possibly be caught off guard there. You haven't said whether those shit tests are ones you've actually experienced or not.

The "we're not having sex tonight" is a common one that most pick-up coaches refer to. Are those two examples ones you've personally experienced?

A shit test is basically anything that challenges your frame.

Yeah, I was hoping to steer away from this. My first sentence was meant to read as:

"...I've realised that there's a lot that deal with explaining what a shit test is, and how to have the right mentality for to handle it, but very little that actually illustrate examples"

Can't edit it now!

 

[Beck Bass]

Take this shit test (posted by user Spyce D) for example... guy approaches girl in club and compliments her hair... her response is "I love my hair too". Now I'm sure most guys who brag about having a solid frame could possibly be caught off guard there. You haven't said whether those shit tests are ones you've actually experienced or not.

This is why they are tests, if every guy passed them, every guy would be getting laid left and right.
If you keep up working on your game, approaching, improving your fundies, eventually you will get results with girls, and then shit tests won't shake you as much, if at all.
Also girls test on different ways and on different amounts based on what they are looking for. On their end, even if unconsciously, if you didn't pass their test, you "weren't man enough" to get them (more like you weren't the right guy, or the type of guy they are looking for, for whatever they want right now, be it a rough playboy for casual fun or a rock solid guy for an LTR).

The first step though to most tests is just stop treating women (or more preciselly getting women) as a big deal: they are just girls! Eventually you will get laid, if you really put work on it. Stressing about specific tests is a waste of time, work on your general game, and when it comes down to those, you'll be ready (unless you're really running over and over the same hiccups with girls, no need to try and correct them before they even happen, you're just gonna psych yourself out before they even happen).

"...I've realised that there's a lot that deal with explaining what a shit test is, and how to have the right mentality for to handle it, but very little that actually illustrate examples"

Again shit tests can be very diverse, and to a guy that has a rock solid frame, they might not even sound like tests, but more like silly stuff girls say in the moment because they are either nervous or want to appear high value. Sorry if my answer didn't quite provide actual examples, but I think you might be worrying too much about something that won't even happen

 

[topcat]

@Beck Bass is on the money.

Preparing for every little shit test is a futile endeavour. Shit test vs not shit test is a matter of perspective even.

The antidote isn’t having the right answer. It’s collecting enough experience and developing an unconscious level of competence with women that they roll off your back. You don’t even notice them.

Get more experience.

Shit tests aren’t a big deal, I dare say they don’t even exist. In reality a shit test is either a social faux pas or an attempt/invite to flirt.

Treat them accordingly…

“I only date guys over six feet”

- “oo nice what else do you do?”

- “we’re dating?”

- “me too”

- “what a relief ‍”

- “lovely ”

- “o why you telling ME that?”

- “good to know”

- “”

As the seducer you’re vetting the girl. Treat her attempts to vet you as a strike for or against her chance at getting with you. If it’s flirtatious it scores her a point, if it’s antagonistic she loses points..

Best

 

[Red]

As the seducer you’re vetting the girl. Treat her attempts to vet you as a strike for or against her chance at getting with you. If it’s flirtatious it scores her a point, if it’s antagonistic she loses points..

This. I just started walking away mid conversation. No explanation. Just leave. It's awkward af which is why it's funny. Her brain usually glitches out for a second. "That wasn't supposed to happen." Then I just move on to another. No point wasting more time on that one. 3.5 Billion and they're making more every day.

 

[DoWhatWorks]

Wick, Beck Bass & Topcat are spot on.

Gain experience so that it doesn’t effect you.

With that said between now and then, you have to “fake it until you make it”. You do this through:

1. Mindset —> I test girls, aww she’s cute & that’s socially autistic of her but I’ll let it slide

2. Techniques —> I’ve summarised some I sub-consciously do now but you’ll form your own

• “oh yeah, why’s that?” (Semi-amused grin) then say “cool” after her answer & change topic

• eye roll (I do this more than girls these days, after a while… You really have heard it all)

• (warm playful smile) “We’ll only do what your comfortable with [insert plausible deniability]

• Mhmm, cool - listen & don’t comment or react to jealousy plot line attempts. Be like a friend who’s just moderately invested in her life

• Give very good dating advice on how she can lock down “this guy chasing her” because you know it’s BS otherwise she’d be with him —> this one drives them insane

• Give vague answers then repeat them when she asks for clarifications because you trust it’s enough IE “What are we?”, “Think you’re great, I don’t like rushing things & want to see where it goes” “Yeah that’s it, people complicate these things… It’s just a feeling you know?”

 

[Dash of Englishness]

• Give very good dating advice on how she can lock down “this guy chasing her” because you know it’s BS otherwise she’d be with him —> this one drives them insane

Do you mean that she'd be bragging about a guy because he's chasing her, or that she's deluding herself into thinking that the guy is chasing her? Would the advice be actually be good, or would you be saying something cliche-like, pretending to her that you think it's good advice?

 

[Dash of Englishness]

@Beck Bass
The antidote isn’t having the right answer. It’s collecting enough experience and developing an unconscious level of competence with women that they roll off your back. You don’t even notice them

It's both believe it or not. Obviously it's more of what you're saying than what I'm saying, but you still shouldn't just rule out one view entirely. It's not that I'm saying one should try and memorise a collection of hypothetical shit tests, but that they should instead be read, and that you could trust yourself that in the right moment (when with a girl) that it will come to the surface of your mind. It's no different than from any other discipline you apply yourself to. Sherlock Holms didn't take the view "hey just get out there and view lots of crime scenes and you'll realise that they're all pretty much the same".

Just like in that scene in 'The Bodyguard' where Houston's character (the celebrity) asks Costner to bring her a dress when he's keeping watch, as she happens to be shopping. In this case, having the right frame would merely allow one to reply with "no, get it yourself", but having the wit would help you come up with the line of "I'm here to keep you alive, not to help you shop". It's a lot more of a zinger.

 

[Dash of Englishness]

Come on, you surely must have experienced a few interesting examples? Are you willing to share? The others did!

This is why they are tests, if every guy passed them, every guy would be getting laid left and right.

What are you implying that I'm not getting? It's like if you were a world class chess coach, and a student who wanted to get better at the game started analysing it, and wanted to learn an opening move... would you just say "hey, nobody said it was going to be easy"?? No you wouldn't. Learning the moves still doesn't make it easy. It's not that the chess student thinks that all he has to do is learn a few moves and that he can then beat everyone out there.

but I think you might be worrying too much about something that won't even happen

'Worrying' would definitely be the wrong word. Again, someone practising a chess move isn't worrying.

Again shit tests can be very diverse...

Of course they are, and that's part of why I find them interesting; because if you read through enough examples you could draw parallels that you wouldn't have otherwise realised.

The first step though to most tests is just stop treating women (or more preciselly getting women) as a big deal: they are just girls!

For the love of God, I didn't register on this site yesterday!

 

[Rakehell]

It's a lot more of a zinger.

I get what you’re saying, but having witty comebacks isn’t essential at all. Maybe in a group setting if your intention is to out-do somebody.

But in this case you aren’t trying to out-do her.

If we assume that all shit tests are, is a probing of your boundaries/insecurities. It’s safe to say that we won’t all be tested on the same thing regularly.

i.e you may be bald (i’m not), and she calls your head shiny. > you’d keep it playful versus blowing up over it. Where as no girl can test me for being bald.

So having an outsourced checklist of how to respond to shit tests, would be a waste to memorize.

In this case it’s best to just get a handle on anything you’re insecure about/have boundaries for what you will and won’t do. Aiming for having a nonchalance/nonreactivity, to things meant to get under your skin. Regardless of what’s implied, or directly stated.

 

[Conquistador]

Take this shit test (posted by user Spyce D) for example... guy approaches girl in club and compliments her hair... her response is "I love my hair too". Now I'm sure most guys who brag about having a solid frame could possibly be caught off guard there.

I think I’d probably crack up if a girl said that to me. That’s a “good” response, right?

 

[Kaida]

I wanted to try how it s to sleep with a guy from the 1st night".

I got this one about 3 weeks ago with a girl and it annoyed me a lot. Combined with the fact that she kept on calling me “easy” trying to flip it because she probably felt easy in that moment.

I tried making it mutual by saying “If two people want each other, sex tends to happen. Nobody is easy in that case” but she just kept repeating herself and calling me a hoe etc. I even tried to playfully brush it off and she brought it up again. So weird

I definitely came off non judgemental but I guess that wasn’t enough

How do you respond to this one?

 

[Alpha13SC]

I got this one about 3 weeks ago with a girl and it annoyed me a lot. Combined with the fact that she kept on calling me “easy” trying to flip it because she probably felt easy in that moment.

I tried making it mutual by saying “If two people want each other, sex tends to happen. Nobody is easy in that case” but she just kept repeating herself and calling me a hoe etc. I even tried to playfully brush it off and she brought it up again. So weird

I definitely came off non judgemental but I guess that wasn’t enough

How do you respond to this one?

Well, my first thought reading this is "who dafuq cares, you did the job"

I would have just devil smiled and ask her "and how this easy dick felt to you? Shut the fuck up silly" and smack her ass. Of course, calibrated and jokingly.

Or adding some drama to it like "what? Am I now a sex object? Are you objectifying me and see me just as a dick to fuck and that s it? I can t believe it! I have a heart, woman!"

Or maybe "you re just jealous I have more sex than you, just the fuck up haha"

It may seem a little aggressive but that s my style.

Alpha13SC

 

[Beck Bass]

Again, someone practising a chess move isn't worrying.

Or is it worrying you might lose? If you didn't care you wouldn't practice, or am I wrong? hehe

because if you read through enough examples you could draw parallels that you wouldn't have otherwise realised.

Probably, but pickup is complex enough that you might get thousand of examples and still you might not be able to draw a conclusion. Like I've been approaching girls (on and off) for almost ten years, and I'm not even close to knowing most of what I should do. And when I start to pick up a trend, times change, girls start doing the opposite of what they were before, and suddenly I have to relearn again.
And also just reading doesn't do justice to reality. Someone might write on a report that they got a girl because they knew X or did Y, but in fact it's never that simple, or it's even simpler, maybe the girl was just horny and he just pulled the trigger, maybe he randomly just did everything right somehow, even without having a clue of what he was doing, and got the girl.

If you're really interested in the theory that rules "the game", you should probably read articles like this one. By the end of the day, it's all a game of chance, and the best way to learn it's by practice. Theory can help, but engaging with it without actually practicing is merely mental masturbation.

wanted to learn an opening move...

That's not what you asked, though. As many said, shit tests are almost a matter of perspective, like a catch all expression for "random shit that happens and might be hard to solve", like a fucking random situation on a chess board and you wanna know the best move, not an opener (which, by the way, there's lots of articles on openers and early game on the site). But real life is way, way more complex than a chess board, and even if someone knew the exact answer, like they dealt with that irl, would they remember the exact scenario and the whole context of it? Seducers are human beings too, with very limited memory, and more based on the actual outcome of it than everything that actually happened, as much as people don't like admitting. I think you're vastly overstimating how much knowledge you can acquire from just reading words on the internet.

For the love of God, I didn't register on this site yesterday!

Cool, so stop acting like you did
The thing is, no matter how much you read, if you don't put it in practice, it doesn't mean anything. You could be here for years, if you just read and write, you won't improve.

hey just get out there

'Nuff said

but she just kept repeating herself and calling me a hoe etc. I even tried to playfully brush it off and she brought it up again. So weird

She just thought you were a player, your attainability was maybe getting low or she was just worried you might hit and quit and so on (which, is, you know, attainability, on a longer term)

 

[Zoro]

Good threads with shit test examples:

"Do you always do this?"- Shit test question

I think all of us daygamers have had this one thrown at us at least a couple of times if not every outing at least once. I sure do get it a lot. You know you go approach a cutie on the street or at the mall and get into having a good interaction. Then at some point she gets caught out of the...

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Text shit test could use help

Hey guys. I could use help with this text shit test. I met this HB and we went on a date. There was some good chemistry but it didn't quite pick up steam. She was really hot on me and I think it sent her into a bit of auto reject. She mentioned she is new to town and open to finding a casual...

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SHIT TEST THREAD: What shit tests do you encounter regularly?

(Request to Franco: Sorry, can you please move this thread somewhere else. I didn't realize that I posted it under Field Reports!) I was reflecting on my past interactions, and I'm quite surprised that I didn't even realize that I was shit tested on many occasions. Some tests were: TEST 1...

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[ulrich]

I agree with @Beck Bass, “shit test” is a generic term that conflates:

- Weird shit women say to test men
- Weird shit women say just because (that hinders seduction)
- Normal shit women say that some guys do not know how to handle

As with many things, there is a lot of nuance.
And being able to tell the difference or having the confidence to don’t care for the difference and charm your way through them are actually the right ways to handle them.

It may seem like for every shit test there is a “counter-shit-test-destroyer”… and there might as well be.
But a more efficient way to deal with them is understanding the psychology that lies behind.