Sticking point

[Sub-Zero]

I think you are misreading my message. The 50% is the highest you can get IF you have a perfect hook, a super compliant girl, tons of DEEP rapport..and if she communicates HERSELF a willingness to see you again. This is basically a golden hook. They require perfect game in person when you meet her and some luck. I.e it is rare. I doubt most of your number closes from nightgame are like this. Even pro nightgamers get those very rarely.

And if you do get those golden hooks it is still a bad call to go for the number close instead of just sealing the deal right away through a one night stand. Only exception would be if there is a MAJOR logistical block. Then taking a number is a necessary evil.


For a pro nightgamer... an overall ratio would be 1/10 to maybe 1/5 for very solid numbers. For a noob maybe 1/20-30. All depending on the amount of rapport and the compliance level and the quality of the hook. But the quality of the hook, rapport and compliance leads to a diminishing return of investement. It is not like a twice as good hook, twice as much rapport and twice as much compliance will give you twice as much chance of meeting her again. Sure it increases your chances but not proportionally to what you have invested in it.

However for same night lays... you get more control over the outcome since you are there in person with her with all your tools at your disposal. For number closes It is the time bridge of when she is not around you (in addition to time away from you) that causes flakes.

But for one night stands you do not have this problem. It is not like you will always be in full control of the situation when you are around her as wildcards can occur. That said, you have much more control over the outcome going for same night lays then taking her number.

Bottom line: for nightgame you have to go for same night lays. That's how it is done. Numbers are last resort. You may take numbers in order to have something to play with during the week (but have low expectations) but ultimatly the goal is to get a pull - bang her the same night.

I don't use apps. Why would you?


Daygame has more consistency in regards to number closes but still low if taken from the street quickly after the approach. However number taken after an instant date (could be just moving her to nearby bench and talk to her) are much more legit.

However sometimes you can't instant date for whatever reason and you have to take a quick number right post hook. Thats fine but expect more flakes.

You can also opt for same day lays during daygame.

Hope this helps

This definitely helps a lot.

Could you answer a few questions for me with night game?

1. I don’t have my own place and was thinking of hotels or her place. Which sounds better?

2. Should I be worried of going to many girl’s places? I say that because you don’t know a person's intentions and I’m trying to be safe at all times.

3. How do you hook and build deep rapport at a club? What do you exactly talk about? The places I go are very loud and I can’t think of good topics to deep dive about, but I think I’ll do it more if I’m going for the same night lay. I’ll treat it like a date.

4. What’s the best way to get a girl home if she’s with one friend? To me that’s like the hardest pull because she probably won’t want to leave her friend behind, and I also didn’t want to be used as a free Uber ride because I didn’t want to take them home and the girl doesn’t invite me up because she’s with her friend and she doesn't want to give me gas money or something. Not trying to get used for a free ride is all I’m saying and I don’t know how to pull in this situation.

I use apps because it seems to be the path to the quickest success. Few dudes on here got a lot of lays on here with low effort and it also helps me with text game and just getting certain experience on my free time.

 

[Cody Lyans]

Thanks for the reply, but I don’t fully understand.

Do you think I should be more sexual and give more sexual comments and tell them I want to fuck and forget about a date?

If you do mean to be more aggressive, I was thinking the same thing.

Aggressive when it comes to putting in the effort and making it interesting
But not aggressive in terms of acting like a barbarian

 

[Watts]

Going to agree with both @Teevster on overall strategy and tactics, and @Cody Lyans on tactics (with some advice I myself could follow better).

Now here's what I think could help you.

Go out for the next two months and refuse to take any number. Don't even agree to give a girl your number. Try to lay every girl in every set that same night.

It will improve your game because there is no other choice.

I've done it, and ironically after only a short time you'll be reaching the "golden hookpoint" or close to it (as Teevster called it) and girls will be desperately trying to exchange numbers. But you'll be going for lays.

Try it out and report back.

Edit: And just to drive it home, you're going to either get increase the quality of your (potential) numbers through better interactions (and can start collecting them after two months, if you so choose), or you are going to get a number after getting laid... which is a MUCH more solid number... plus you get laid! haha

This other stuff, don't have your own place, ok, go to theirs (even if they have a friend, just have to find a way).

Worried about them doing something to you, I have to say this is almost 99% untrue, unless you live in the third world or are in some really sketchy areas, I doubt some girl is going to put you on ice and take your kidneys or rob you (but if it needs to be said, stay away from girls with obvious hard drug use).

And yes, you're trading the possibility of being used as a free uber ride for the time in set and chance to pull as opposed to wasting your time with numbers to nowhere (which is wasting your time in another way, and time could be exchanged for money). As a practical tactic, you can always use the old standby of asking to use her bathroom, which is a hard reason to refuse. In fact, have fun with it, if she still refuses tell her you'll pee on her front step like an animal if you have to but you really do need to go to the bathroom before your long drive home, haha. (And, just to be 100% clear, getting in her house, still respect consent and boundaries)

 

[Teevster]

This definitely helps a lot.

You are welcome.

Could you answer a few questions for me with night game?

The way things are done on forums is that you make a new thread when changing subject. This is because we would like to keep threads centered on one subject. It is not like it is against the rules to do this, but it is just common practice. I suggest you make a new thread so that others may benefit from the answers, as well as participate in the discussion.

But I will give you short answers for now, since each of these questions will require very long answer (I won't spend 2 hours typing up something as a sidetrack response to a thread - a response very few will benefit from).

1. I don’t have my own place and was thinking of hotels or her place. Which sounds better?

Her place is the go to. When you interact with a girl ask her where she is from. Once she answers ask her how it is to live there. If she answers you know she lives there, if she corrects you with "I am from there, but I don't live there no more" then you can proceed to ask "ah so where did you move to. Depending on where she lives you can assess whether she is worth the time or not. Make sure you find out if she lives alone etc.

I learned pick up and seduction while still living at my parents. It is a little handicap until you figure the above out. In fact i practiced pick up for 7-8 years without having good logistics (my own place). Honestly it is not that hard once you figure out ways around it.

After parties is also a viable options - knowing people who host them and so on. Finally.... public sex (at your own risk). I have written plenty of article on logistics (search for "logistics", "extract" and "extraction)) on the blog and you will find more than enough material for you here.

2. Should I be worried of going to many girl’s places? I say that because you don’t know a person's intentions and I’m trying to be safe at all times.

Weird question. Never though of this. I never had any issues nor do I know of anyone being molested. Most men are physically stronger than women... hence not usually something we have to worry about. Are you scared of women (as in physical threat)? If yes, then this is something work on. Women can fuck you over, but not like this...

3. How do you hook and build deep rapport at a club? What do you exactly talk about?
The places I go are very loud and I can’t think of good topics to deep dive about,

I won't respond to this since the question is too open and not specific enough. It would require me to write a whole eBook. I have written about "social frame" on the main blog, which you may be into. You may also read my long guide on "hooking".

However if the venue is too loud, you must either:
1) find spots there where you can talk (lounge area, smoking area, etc
2) focus on other forms of game:
a) non-verbals with minimal verbals
b) social proof based...
c) dance floor game
d) anything that is not related to pure verbals.
3) Find venues where there are spaces where you can talk. Finding good venues is not easy task, but worth it.

4. What’s the best way to get a girl home if she’s with one friend? To me that’s like the hardest pull because she probably won’t want to leave her friend behind, and I also didn’t want to be used as a free Uber ride because I didn’t want to take them home and the girl doesn’t invite me up because she’s with her friend and she doesn't want to give me gas money or something. Not trying to get used for a free ride is all I’m saying and I don’t know how to pull in this situation.

IT IS the hardest situation to handle. Not going to lie. You may read this.

Usually It is adviced that:
- Screen for lonewolves, groups of 3 (the best - and quite common), 4 (also good) and even 5 (harder to handle). Larger groups poses other difficulties
- Go out with a wing, but beware, doing double pulls is hard and requires almost perfect game from both of you as well as luck (he fucks up, you fuck up and vice versa).
- Go out with gaybuddy (he never fuck up and is a god at distracting other chicks! going out with a gaybuddy is a secret trick of mine)
- Pimp her with a guy (not that easy actually)
- Stall things out until the friend decides to just call it (does not always work)
- Threesome - long shot I must say.

Hope this helps a bit. Next time when you have multiple questions that requires longer answer, please make a new thread. It is for everybody's benefits, yours included!

Best,

 

[Teevster]

Going to agree with both @Teevster on overall strategy and tactics, and @Cody Lyans on tactics (with some advice I myself could follow better).

Now here's what I think could help you.

Go out for the next two months and refuse to take any number. Don't even agree to give a girl your number. Try to lay every girl in every set that same night.

It will improve your game because there is no other choice.

I've done it, and ironically after only a short time you'll be reaching the "golden hookpoint" or close to it (as Teevster called it) and girls will be desperately trying to exchange numbers. But you'll be going for lays.

Try it out and report back.

Edit: And just to drive it home, you're going to either get increase the quality of your (potential) numbers through better interactions (and can start collecting them after two months, if you so choose), or you are going to get a number after getting laid... which is a MUCH more solid number... plus you get laid! haha

This other stuff, don't have your own place, ok, go to theirs (even if they have a friend, just have to find a way).

Worried about them doing something to you, I have to say this is almost 99% untrue, unless you live in the third world or are in some really sketchy areas, I doubt some girl is going to put you on ice and take your kidneys or rob you (but if it needs to be said, stay away from girls with obvious hard drug use).

And yes, you're trading the possibility of being used as a free uber ride for the time in set and chance to pull as opposed to wasting your time with numbers to nowhere (which is wasting your time in another way, and time could be exchanged for money). As a practical tactic, you can always use the old standby of asking to use her bathroom, which is a hard reason to refuse. In fact, have fun with it, if she still refuses tell her you'll pee on her front step like an animal if you have to but you really do need to go to the bathroom before your long drive home, haha. (And, just to be 100% clear, getting in her house, still respect consent and boundaries)

Very good advice! and I agree 100%. Well put.

Especially this:

Edit: And just to drive it home, you're going to either get increase the quality of your (potential) numbers through better interactions (and can start collecting them after two months, if you so choose), or you are going to get a number after getting laid... which is a MUCH more solid number... plus you get laid! haha

And... fun fact

I doubt some girl is going to put you on ice and take your kidneys or rob you

Girls have stolen my clothes as well as my cheap ass jewelry while i was a sleep. I had fake golden jewelry that got stolen once I felt a sleep after a failed threesome in summer 2008 (I chickened out - first threesome scenario ever - 2 hot croatians! big regret). Last week a chick stole my purple sequin jacket

So bad shit happens.

 

[Sub-Zero]

You are welcome.


The way things are done on forums is that you make a new thread when changing subject. This is because we would like to keep threads centered on one subject. It is not like it is against the rules to do this, but it is just common practice. I suggest you make a new thread so that others may benefit from the answers, as well as participate in the discussion.

But I will give you short answers for now, since each of these questions will require very long answer (I won't spend 2 hours typing up something as a sidetrack response to a thread - a response very few will benefit from).



Her place is the go to. When you interact with a girl ask her where she is from. Once she answers ask her how it is to live there. If she answers you know she lives there, if she corrects you with "I am from there, but I don't live there no more" then you can proceed to ask "ah so where did you move to. Depending on where she lives you can assess whether she is worth the time or not. Make sure you find out if she lives alone etc.

I learned pick up and seduction while still living at my parents. It is a little handicap until you figure the above out. In fact i practiced pick up for 7-8 years without having good logistics (my own place). Honestly it is not that hard once you figure out ways around it.

After parties is also a viable options - knowing people who host them and so on. Finally.... public sex (at your own risk). I have written plenty of article on logistics (search for "logistics", "extract" and "extraction)) on the blog and you will find more than enough material for you here.



Weird question. Never though of this. I never had any issues nor do I know of anyone being molested. Most men are physically stronger than women... hence not usually something we have to worry about. Are you scared of women (as in physical threat)? If yes, then this is something work on. Women can fuck you over, but not like this...



I won't respond to this since the question is too open and not specific enough. It would require me to write a whole eBook. I have written about "social frame" on the main blog, which you may be into. You may also read my long guide on "hooking".

However if the venue is too loud, you must either:
1) find spots there where you can talk (lounge area, smoking area, etc
2) focus on other forms of game:
a) non-verbals with minimal verbals
b) social proof based...
c) dance floor game
d) anything that is not related to pure verbals.
3) Find venues where there are spaces where you can talk. Finding good venues is not easy task, but worth it.



IT IS the hardest situation to handle. Not going to lie. You may read this.

Usually It is adviced that:
- Screen for lonewolves, groups of 3 (the best - and quite common), 4 (also good) and even 5 (harder to handle). Larger groups poses other difficulties
- Go out with a wing, but beware, doing double pulls is hard and requires almost perfect game from both of you as well as luck (he fucks up, you fuck up and vice versa).
- Go out with gaybuddy (he never fuck up and is a god at distracting other chicks! going out with a gaybuddy is a secret trick of mine)
- Pimp her with a guy (not that easy actually)
- Stall things out until the friend decides to just call it (does not always work)
- Threesome - long shot I must say.

Hope this helps a bit. Next time when you have multiple questions that requires longer answer, please make a new thread. It is for everybody's benefits, yours included!

Best,

Lmao I had to make a quick reply to your answer to my question about going over to girl’s house, I’ll give you a more in-depth reply later, but I wanted to make sure I clarified my question.

Im not worried about being molested lmao, I’m a big strong dude, and I guess we have different ways we think of things because of how we grew up.

but I asked this because you don’t know what this chick’s intentions are, she might try to set you up many ways, she might try to take your money, might call up other dudes to come over or that are already there and try to get stuff from you, you know what I’m trying to say lol.

Many stories about dude’s losing their lives because chicks set them up. I don’t want to bring that negativity here, but it is a real concern because growing up you see and hear things, and it makes you really on your Ps and Qs.

Had a chick tell me why am I looking and checking around, and walking slowly while in her place one time lol.

I also got worries about chicks knowing where I live because I don’t need them coming over uninvited if things don’t go well between us, and I actually think that’s more of the ideal they don’t know where I live.

These aren’t imaginary thoughts, but real stuff I’ve seen and heard.

It’s a habit I wanna stop though because it isn’t healthy, it’s good to be aware, but paranoia isn’t good.

I had to clarify the question to make sure were on the same page because that was funny lmao.

 

[Watts]

Girls have stolen my clothes as well as my cheap ass jewelry while i was a sleep. I had fake golden jewelry that got stolen once I felt a sleep after a failed threesome in summer 2008 (I chickened out - first threesome scenario ever - 2 hot croatians! big regret). Last week a chick stole my purple sequin jacket

So bad shit happens.

I stand corrected.

If you're a very fashionable man with a slightly androgynous style, women may have threesomes with you and after attempt to steal your clothes and jewelry... all things considered, not such a bad deal! lol

 

[naturalmikey]

when i was learning game i was cheating on my wife and didn’t have my own place and fucked more girls that year than any other. i would literally use the line “do you have any cool movies at your place.” and i would always say i live on the other side of town most girls are going out near where they lived. i just believes everything rsd said about nothing mattering and it worked. just create blind spots that anything holding you back doesn’t matter and those things start to matter a whole hell of a lot less. not that these things don’t hurt. but they don’t hurt nearly as much as you think. when your back is against the wall you can either get your ass kicked or fight. one thing i will say is i get a lot hotter girls now due to both better game and really good logistics.

 

[Teevster]

I stand corrected.

If you're a very fashionable man with a slightly androgynous style, women may have threesomes with you and after attempt to steal your clothes and jewelry... all things considered, not such a bad deal! lol

Well sadly the threesome never happened and I was smashing my head to the wall for that.... oh well we all fuck up on first attempt. I was only one year in... with two gorgeous croatian women in croatia. It did not make it any easier that the parents of one of the girls was sleeping upstairs (it all happened in Croatia.... and i was unsure about how parents would react to it.

Meh we are not superhumans at the end of the day.

 

[Teevster]

Lmao I had to make a quick reply to your answer to my question about going over to girl’s house, I’ll give you a more in-depth reply later, but I wanted to make sure I clarified my question.

Sure.

Im not worried about being molested lmao, I’m a big strong dude, and I guess we have different ways we think of things because of how we grew up.

Perhaps.

but I asked this because you don’t know what this chick’s intentions are, she might try to set you up many ways, she might try to take your money, might call up other dudes to come over or that are already there and try to get stuff from you, you know what I’m trying to say lol.

I have in my 12 years of experience never experienced anything like it, and never heard of anyone either in my circles of friends, or puas or even of forums having experienced anything like it.

Many stories about dude’s losing their lives because chicks set them up. I don’t want to bring that negativity here, but it is a real concern because growing up you see and hear things, and it makes you really on your Ps and Qs.

There are always horro stories, but you are more likely to get killed in a terrorist attack or getting stabbed in the street of a major city. Not saying you should not use common sense and judge situations wisely, but I think you are exaggerating the threat.

But yeah if you go for some gangster chick from the hood or a very suspicious woman (or an even better indicator - a very suspicious interaction) then sure you are at a higher risk (still low in my book). But depends where you live and what subculture you operate in.

Had a chick tell me why am I looking and checking around, and walking slowly while in her place one time lol.

Well that is obvious suspicious behaviour from YOUR side. Not hers...

I also got worries about chicks knowing where I live because I don’t need them coming over uninvited if things don’t go well between us, and I actually think that’s more of the ideal they don’t know where I live.

Only had that happening once, with an ex who I had been with for 3 years. Again not that common.

These aren’t imaginary thoughts, but real stuff I’ve seen and heard.

Again common sense. There is always more to the story to these horror stories. In 90% of the cases that is.

It’s a habit I wanna stop though because it isn’t healthy, it’s good to be aware, but paranoia isn’t good.

Use common sense. But I must be frank this is probably the most paranoid concerns I have read about on forums so far. I think this is something you should perhaps work with. Talking to psychologist may be a good idea. I am being honest here. It could be caused by a deeper more serious underlying cause.

But... I am not saying don't be cautious and judge with common sense. I just think you are taking the paranoia too far. Worry more about pregancy. That is a real problem (if unwanted). Certain STD's like herpes are common and a pain in the ass. If you are bold guy (who I am not) false accusation may be a concern too (although never heard a smooth guy being falsely accused - there is usually always something else to the story)

I won't talk any further about this as I have nothing else to contribute. I have shared my experience with your concern. From then on it is your call to make judgements.

Best,

 

[Watts]

Well sadly the threesome never happened and I was smashing my head to the wall for that.... oh well we all fuck up on first attempt. I was only one year in... with two gorgeous croatian women in croatia. It did not make it any easier that the parents of one of the girls was sleeping upstairs (it all happened in Croatia.... and i was unsure about how parents would react to it.

Meh we are not superhumans at the end of the day.

So you have dealt with Dads!!!!

*Urgent* got her number, but not her name

Long story short: So today's Black Friday. Went into a shop. Cute cashier, lots of people. Figured out a way to get her number while make it smooth and not too obvious. I basically went into notes and typed: "Hey, i know this is awkward and that you are busy, but i think you look cute :)...

www.skilledseducer.com

But yeah dude, sometimes it's just those little glimpses into what's possible that make the difference though (especially when just starting out). Even if not 100% successful.

 

[Teevster]

So you have dealt with Dads!!!!

Well he did not wake up... so I did not directly deal with him.

When you mention it, I have dealt with dads.

When I was 15 I used to fuck this jewish redhead. Her dad was a nice guy sitting on the couch in the room next door listening to her daughter scream as she got fuck. Ah my sweet teens. I remember at my 18th birthday, I said on mASF "I never had a normal teenage life" - well obviously not since I was already then a quite successful PUA - want to read an old lay report?

Another story with dads that I remember was a home partie... it was halloween. I was wearing a nurse outfit (never got as socially proofed in my life). I hooked up with this girl dressed as cat women, who I ended up fucking in the ass in the sauna. The dad of the host busted us... a guy in a nurse outfit and catwomen, fucking in his sauna. I remember just responding "she is nice wanna join" and got uncomfortable and left. I wa a bit reckless when I was young (I was 16 - I think it was in 2009). The report became on my most legendary on mASF Since I had pics too

I need to think of others... but I never had to deal with angry dads....

 

[Sub-Zero]

Sure.



Perhaps.



I have in my 12 years of experience never experienced anything like it, and never heard of anyone either in my circles of friends, or puas or even of forums having experienced anything like it.



There are always horro stories, but you are more likely to get killed in a terrorist attack or getting stabbed in the street of a major city. Not saying you should not use common sense and judge situations wisely, but I think you are exaggerating the threat.

But yeah if you go for some gangster chick from the hood or a very suspicious woman (or an even better indicator - a very suspicious interaction) then sure you are at a higher risk (still low in my book). But depends where you live and what subculture you operate in.



Well that is obvious suspicious behaviour from YOUR side. Not hers...



Only had that happening once, with an ex who I had been with for 3 years. Again not that common.



Again common sense. There is always more to the story to these horror stories. In 90% of the cases that is.



Use common sense. But I must be frank this is probably the most paranoid concerns I have read about on forums so far. I think this is something you should perhaps work with. Talking to psychologist may be a good idea. I am being honest here. It could be caused by a deeper more serious underlying cause.

But... I am not saying don't be cautious and judge with common sense. I just think you are taking the paranoia too far. Worry more about pregancy. That is a real problem (if unwanted). Certain STD's like herpes are common and a pain in the ass. If you are bold guy (who I am not) false accusation may be a concern too (although never heard a smooth guy being falsely accused - there is usually always something else to the story)

I won't talk any further about this as I have nothing else to contribute. I have shared my experience with your concern. From then on it is your call to make judgements.

Best,

Yeah I was saying that I was being too paranoid at the girl’s house.

I’ll make threads with other questions, didn’t want to go crazy making too many threads, but if it’s better to do that then I’m cool with it.

And I definitely am paranoid about the other stuff you were talking about, God forbid it happen at all. I just didn’t wanna go down a list of things I’m paranoid about.

I’ll work on being less paranoid and I’ll read up on the advice you gave me.

Appreciate it.

 

[Teevster]

I’ll make threads with other questions, didn’t want to go crazy making too many threads, but if it’s better to do that then I’m cool with it.

Well not only will you get other inputs than mine, but others will benefit more form the inputs. The different inputs may also be discussed. Hence everybody is a winner! you included!

 

[Watts]

Yeah I was saying that I was being too paranoid at the girl’s house.

I’ll make threads with other questions, didn’t want to go crazy making too many threads, but if it’s better to do that then I’m cool with it.

And I definitely am paranoid about the other stuff you were talking about, God forbid it happen at all. I just didn’t wanna go down a list of things I’m paranoid about.

I’ll work on being less paranoid and I’ll read up on the advice you gave me.

Appreciate it.

Meditate, if you aren't already.

Helps to slow your mind down, calm you, and let you observe those thoughts which may or may not be grounded in what's actually happening right now vs. what you're creating in your head (based on past experiences or thoughts about the future).

A simple 20-30 mins just watching your breath and trying not to think.

 

[Watts]

Ps sorry for derailing your thread let me know if you me to discuss with watts elsewhere.

Haha, didn't even realize we were doing this! Just enjoying the discussion!

 

[Teevster]

Meditate, if you aren't already.

Helps to slow your mind down, calm you, and let you observe those thoughts which may or may not be grounded in what's actually happening right now vs. what you're creating in your head (based on past experiences or thoughts about the future).

A simple 20-30 mins just watching your breath and trying not to think.

I would add this fantastic post by someone I know who really knows what he is talking about in this subject. He is one of my close friends and he has been working on this for years now and this compilation is all the knowledge he has gathered over the years (a summary mostly). Worth checking out.

Also get some GABA and L-theanine. You can buy those without prescription in most countries.

 

[Sub-Zero]

I don’t save my messages, but I’ll give you a few that I can remember lol.

So with every girl from any type of game I propose a date and then get the number, then I tell them to save my number and I do the ask, I will get a confirmation, then they either flake or if they really like me meet up.

So here are text examples from girls from different avenues.

Dating apps:

Many times I’ll match with a chick and give one of these openers, but as of late my matches have went down a lot compared to before, and these are my openers.

I either ask them how it’s going for them on the app, what they’re looking for, compliment; or something I observed from the profile.

Most of the times as of late no reply, before they would talk, but when I tried to dive deeper they would just not respond, so I went straight for asking for a date and still no response.

Can’t think of much to do after that.

Now for conversations from apps.

One girl I actually had a decent convo from the app, but once we got off the app and to the phone she was taking so long to reply and when I asked when she was free, she was gone.

On the app:

Opener, then asked her what she was looking for, she told me, asked when she was free, told me next week and was down, then got her number.

Off the app:

She acted weird.

SZ: Hey this is SZ from ..
Her: What’s up?

Super strange because who answers a text like that after giving the person their number?

SZ: what are you up to?

here I’m trying to see if I can smash tonight.

She gives no response.

So as days go by, she hits me up and I ask what she’s up to and when she’s free, then she’ll take a day to reply, then I said fuck her.

Apps 2:

I’m going to make these 3 short.

1. Got a girl and she was so excited to see me, I called her and built rapport. I didn’t text her much because I had nothing to say, asked when she was free and she told me, set up a date, then she flaked even after her excitement.

2. This girl I was just texting and talked to on the phone once and tried to build rapport from that because I didn’t want to go on a date.

Text were:

SZ: When are you free this week?
Her: blah blah. (Date is set)

Then a few days before the date:

Her: Hi
SZ: Hey what’s up?
Her: Nothing but how are you?
SZ: Good and you?

That was it.

So this was early during work hours so I couldn’t try to chill and just made small talk, didn’t hear from her again despite building rapport on the phone and moving fast.

3. Chick said she wanted to settle down with me.

We talked on the phone and had a good conversation, set up a date, then I text her while she’s working and told her to call me when she’s off so we can set up the date details.


The next ones are going to be short because this’ll get too long lol.

Day game: Got a girls number super quick and smooth, she was smiling so much.

we were texting and talking on the phone, I was trying to build rapport and invite her over when she was free.

told me when she was free and I text her the day of and she didn’t respond.

Club game:

Pretty much get the numbers from girls and try to set up a date soon. They agree and then flake.

So pretty much I don’t do a lot of texting unless they text me, these girls act so attracted in person, so it’s like wtf? When they flake.

So yeah, my process is basically to get the number and then I Just try to get the date without texting or talking much unless I’m trying to have them come right over.

If you had to use something to work with, this is how the majority of my text look.

I build attraction, ask for date, then get the number.

My text are mostly like:

SZ: This is SZ save my number.
Her: Ok

Few days later:

SZ: Hey, when would you be free this week?
Her: Gives date
SZ: Ok so we’ll do.... or I’ll tell her I’ll contact her before the day she gave me to set up a location.

Then I hit her up for confirmation and either she’ll say something came up or no reply.

And it makes no sense, what else am I supposed to do? I can’t text these women all day if they aren’t giving me anything to work with, then when they do text me I try to engage and they stop texting.

So I’m thinking I’ll try to build more rapport, then I do a quick phone call, longer if I try to just smash.

I can’t see why this isn’t working.

Any tips you have will be good.

@Hue

 

[naturalmikey]

i swear more and more every year, at least in the states numbers are shit. if you can’t get a girl to meet on tinder the day you get her number good luck. she’s go too many options. night game numbers= garbage. i assume the same is true for day game numbers. girls just have too many options when you combine social circle, social media, dating apps, and going out. you’re just another dude texting her. strike while the irons hot. either night game pull or number to date.

there are exceptions obviously. these exceptions require the girl to have decided she likes you a lot. i don’t know why it happens. i find it has little to do with how good my game is. but some girls will he sold on you from an interaction or an app and will be down. enough numbers and something will happen. make yourself as good an option as possible by looks maxing and don’t have shitty game and let the cards fall as they may.

when texting say whatever the fuck you’d want. no filter. you can shock her into responding sometimes. i’ve exchanged numbers during night game where the text me back on the spot and is highly interested. i’ll send my picture late that night and tell her it’s for her contact and to send me one for her contact. they never do. but then a couple days late i’ll apologize if i intimidated her with my pic and understand why she didn’t respond. this has worked. but it’s still low probability. i just make it fun.

 

[Sub-Zero]

i swear more and more every year, at least in the states numbers are shit. if you can’t get a girl to meet on tinder the day you get her number good luck. she’s go too many options. night game numbers= garbage. i assume the same is true for day game numbers. girls just have too many options when you combine social circle, social media, dating apps, and going out. you’re just another dude texting her. strike while the irons hot. either night game pull or number to date.

there are exceptions obviously. these exceptions require the girl to have decided she likes you a lot. i don’t know why it happens. i find it has little to do with how good my game is. but some girls will he sold on you from an interaction or an app and will be down. enough numbers and something will happen. make yourself as good an option as possible by looks maxing and don’t have shitty game and let the cards fall as they may.

when texting say whatever the fuck you’d want. no filter. you can shock her into responding sometimes. i’ve exchanged numbers during night game where the text me back on the spot and is highly interested. i’ll send my picture late that night and tell her it’s for her contact and to send me one for her contact. they never do. but then a couple days late i’ll apologize if i intimidated her with my pic and understand why she didn’t respond. this has worked. but it’s still low probability. i just make it fun.

Well numbers not working definitely sucks!! Numbers sucked for me before and I can’t imagine now.

It’s like I gotta put my game in hyperdrive now.

But the good news is the faster I am, the quicker I get to fuck.

so who do you think gets these girls out when they have so many options? What are they doing right?

Id say moving fast could be it, but I doubt many men are that good and you know that girls have multiple dudes as well.

Thanks my man.