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Deep diving has been the rage for quite sometime, but if I were to analyze my own game - I don't so much get her to talk about her own thoughts and feelings and try to get her to get some meaning out of that (Gestalt Psychology) or use Barnum Statements/Cold Reads for anything meaningful. To be clear, I love both of those things, but I like this other thing more.
Instead, I like the "old" old school of PUA. I love frames and I love reframes. Though I think the idea of frame isn't really taught that well in PUA even then, I was also doing sales at the time. I immediately understood the power of reframes when it came to a prospect choosing one option or another. I still think it needs more and more explanation and examples - because I really do think it's "the thing" that really makes PUA different and special than just randomly talking to broads and being funny/provocative. (even if those things are actually frames! ha) (as an aside, frames, sub coms, non-verbals, along with understanding female psychology do most of the heavy lifting in PUA even when people aren't aware of it...)
I hate "hold frame" which is what frame has become in the modern era, if people even talk about frame at all.
This movie (Magnolia) came out when I was learning PUA, so I think about this (and the Matrix, lol) fairly often.
I'm a thief at heart.
I love stealing other people's ideas, words, routines, gambits, tricks, philosophies, etc. If I can do it wholesale, I'll do it. If you're reading this, I probably ripped you off. Shout out to both elders and young guns.
The full scene by different actors
I can't tell you how many times I've used the ideas in this scene to breakthrough to a chick/break past her "representative".
So in terms of the practicality - it's almost always a situation like this.
Then I try to work this conversation and this dynamic in.
It usually works.
And the result is a lot of the hiccups that guys run into the final stage of the pull - I don't run into. She's so comfortable, that I don't need to run many compliance hoops/cooperation tests, or run through any type of "natural woman" exercise.
Warning #1 - The other thing about this scene, and getting what I get from it, and how i use it - there are a lot of women with diarrhea of the mouth - and they'll tell you all of their "dark secrets" unbidden.
Not only does "too much" comfort put you in the friend/good listener/counselor/fatherly role - it can also turn you off, even if you have your brave non-judgmental body language dialed in.
I've found that I need to confront chicks directly on that, and basically accuse them of "lying" - even when they're telling the Jah's honest truth.
Warning #2
The other downside is that chicks that think you really "get them" - get ATTACHED.
I've learned over the years - after lots of post hook up hangover - to not pull this out willy nilly, and save it.
Instead, I like the "old" old school of PUA. I love frames and I love reframes. Though I think the idea of frame isn't really taught that well in PUA even then, I was also doing sales at the time. I immediately understood the power of reframes when it came to a prospect choosing one option or another. I still think it needs more and more explanation and examples - because I really do think it's "the thing" that really makes PUA different and special than just randomly talking to broads and being funny/provocative. (even if those things are actually frames! ha) (as an aside, frames, sub coms, non-verbals, along with understanding female psychology do most of the heavy lifting in PUA even when people aren't aware of it...)
I hate "hold frame" which is what frame has become in the modern era, if people even talk about frame at all.
This movie (Magnolia) came out when I was learning PUA, so I think about this (and the Matrix, lol) fairly often.
I'm a thief at heart.
I love stealing other people's ideas, words, routines, gambits, tricks, philosophies, etc. If I can do it wholesale, I'll do it. If you're reading this, I probably ripped you off. Shout out to both elders and young guns.
The full scene by different actors
I can't tell you how many times I've used the ideas in this scene to breakthrough to a chick/break past her "representative".
So in terms of the practicality - it's almost always a situation like this.
- My attraction to her is already there.
- Her attraction to me/curiosity about me is there.
- We're in the trust/comfort/rapport building stage.
- We have some privacy away from prying eyes. (If it's date, dates are almost always a lock in the first place)
Then I try to work this conversation and this dynamic in.
It usually works.
And the result is a lot of the hiccups that guys run into the final stage of the pull - I don't run into. She's so comfortable, that I don't need to run many compliance hoops/cooperation tests, or run through any type of "natural woman" exercise.
Warning #1 - The other thing about this scene, and getting what I get from it, and how i use it - there are a lot of women with diarrhea of the mouth - and they'll tell you all of their "dark secrets" unbidden.
Not only does "too much" comfort put you in the friend/good listener/counselor/fatherly role - it can also turn you off, even if you have your brave non-judgmental body language dialed in.
I've found that I need to confront chicks directly on that, and basically accuse them of "lying" - even when they're telling the Jah's honest truth.
Warning #2
The other downside is that chicks that think you really "get them" - get ATTACHED.
I've learned over the years - after lots of post hook up hangover - to not pull this out willy nilly, and save it.
