The huge flaw about GirlsChase.

[KollegahDerBoss]

INTRODUCTION

I have been a Girlschase reader myself for almost a year.
There have been a few girls which I managed to get a date with, but most of them flaked at the date, did loads of shit-tests and never wrote sexual conversations / talked sexy on the phone.
In fact, I've been friend-zoned on the first date from every girl. I was having high success with phone numbers, but no success of having ACTUAL SEX.
I recognized that there is something missing in Girlschase that is not told and being discouraged. However, I did not now what it was.

I started bodybuilding, since it was very correlated to PUA and my confidence went up after a few months, I started having a better body.
Girls were lusting for my body per text, but I had - again, no success.
I recognized that bodybuilding is a form of COPING with something else that is CRUCIAL in Love, Relationships and Attraction.

I found out about Sluthate (new Version of Puahate) and Lookism (discrimination based on looks).
While it sometime is a negative-energy filled site, it talks about the TRUTH of Attraction and ways to improve your Attractiveness.
In fact, this is the time where I took the "Red Pill" which opened my eyes. It is a very simple concept, based on L - M - S. (Looks, Money, Status)

LOOKS
YOUR LOOKS - are the most important aspect of your life.
Imagine looking at a girl's facebook, the first thing you notice is how attractive she is, VISUALLY.
Do you really think girls are different? WRONG.
Girls don't tell you this, but they are secretly lusting for that muscular DOMINANT guy, or that white tall pretty boy model. - There are different types they lust for, but they have one thing in common:
THEY ARE ALL ATTRACTIVE.

Now, while most of you are screaming at me "Well, Looks are GENETIC!! GTFO!!" - they are not (mostly). 90% of your attractiveness is solely based on your EYES, TEETH AND SKIN COLOR.

1) Sorry for saying this - but Skin Color DOES matter. There have been plenty studies that show that women prefer a white guy over an ethnic guy.


2) Your Eye Area is also an important feature for attracting girls. (Groom your eyebrows and check if you have any diseases (ptosis, check your thyroid, etc.))


3) Now comes the teeth, the most important. You may think I'm talking about general "white teeth" , but I am not. I am talking about the maxilla (the so called "beauty bone") and the development of it.

Forward maxillary growth will produce a nice looking face (Peck & Peck 1970) and dentition (Platou & Zachrission 1983)

There are plenty of documentation about maxilla and how you can push it forwards to get yourself a nice looking face. Before your start - it is hard work, it has to be done constantly.

A great result is to be seen here:

Google "orthotropics" and "maxilla" to find out more about this.


Final words about Looks:

Looks will decide how attractive you are to women, we live in a society where looks are THE most important thing.

I have "looksmaxed" myself, and am still doing it everyday and guess what happened?
Tons of girls swiping right on Lovoo and Tinder, girls INSTANTLY falling in love with me, SEXUALLY talking with me even BEFORE meeting up.
They actually LUST for my good-looking face. I have had an incredible change in the last year thanks to all the researches done about attractiveness.

Don't waste your time trying to learn the right thing to say. There isn't. Girls love can't be "won", Love is instant if you're good-looking.



STATUS AND MONEY
While a girl won't REALLY and GENUINELY love you if you have this, Status and Money is the reason while many bad-looking chaps still manage to get a girlfriend or have sex.
However, a girl will fully shit-test you to make sure you don't use her for sex and will force you to start a relationship / buy her things to get your little "sex treat".

I do not recommend you to make this your only goal in life, except if you are REALLY FUCKED in the looks department.


NOW THE TRUTH, WHICH WILL OPEN YOUR EYES.

If you have not got any value for a woman (means not being good looking or no status/money), she will try to use you and make you believe her love can be won.
CONFIDENCE DOES NOT MATTER. LOOKS DO.

This is the reason because guys like this, DESPITE YEARS OF LEARNING PUA SKILLS AND BEING THE MOST CONFIDENT THEY CAN, HAVE NEVER GOTTEN LAID.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3igiBFnQTug <- Video


Ever wondered why the "good-looking guy" just had to show up and all the girls were attracted to him and approached him, while himself never approached anyone?


Thanks to this "cold approach" bullshit and 90% of guys having INCREDIBLY LOW STANDARDS girls are more powerful than ever, they have the biggest SEXUAL MARKET - REJECT GUYS LEFT TO RIGHT - AND HAVE THE CHANCE TO PICK UP THE HOTTEST GUY OF THE CROWD.

Don't believe me? Even a down syndrome girl calls the correspondent matching guy a "FRIEND" , while being in a relationship with a NORMAL GUY.

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WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO HAVE A LIFE WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT APPROACHING AND SAYING THE RIGHT THINGS?
GUESS WHAT, YOU CAN. Since I have become good-looking, My exes have suddenly returned from their grave - I do not have a problem with finding girls - they CHOOSE ME because I'M BETTER LOOKING THAN 95% OF THE POPULATION.


"Confidence" and skills do not matter. They are complete bullshit.

Hot guys can pull off having autism.

Life unfolds infront of you as a good-looking guy.

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SUMMARY
Don't waste your time trying to learn the right thing to say. There isn't. Girls love can't be "won", Love is instant if you're good-looking.

 

[ray_zorse]

Eh, bullshit.

Tons of good looking guys have managed to get through life not getting laid until they discovered girlschase, haha.

I'm not sure what you'd define as a bad-looking guy, but I reckon if you show me one, with a little fundamentals work I can make him attractive -- add fashion, dominant posture, etc, all the fundamentals described in Chase's ebook. So maybe he has terrible acne, maybe he's self conscious about his height, etc... all this can be worked around. As an example, a problem I had was I wear hearing aids and the technology was not too good, I'd cold approach and either I couldn't hear the girl, or I'd have my hearing aids on full and the first time I smiled they'd be like "wheeeeee!!" and then I'd have to put my hand up to my ear and push it back in, not really a very attractive look. I was in despair about this but I never gave up, kept looking scouring web for solutions, reading academic papers etc... eventually found something that works perfectly, here. So my point is that even if a guy has some terribly unattractive feature, there is certainly a solution/workaround if he's determined enough.

What matters is having good fundamentals (which is not equal to being born with good looks), and acting like a boss.

Ray

 

[KollegahDerBoss]

I appreciate you guys trying to see it from my (and many other guys who recognized this) point of view.

@ray_zorse
Not every looks problem can be fixed "easy".
There are tons of guys (30% +) who have a set-back jaw which looks horrible and have to do constant work (2 years+) to get a forward jaw growth like most models.
For example: If you have upper eyelid exposure (ptosis), which doesn't look great on pictures, the only way to get good-looking eyes would be fillers.

Also, to "act like a boss", you have to look like a boss.




Confidence is written in your face.


@radeng

Now, for the "KrauserPUA" part I have to crush your dreams, but most of these "PUA masters" are fake and hire models.
Just think logically - why would girls want him if he is ugly, short and bald?

Here is a proof that he hires models for his PUA Videos: (This is not a hoax, if you go to the link it tells you that he removed the list)

Like you said, being good-looking makes things way easier.
The "game" you are talking about has no impact on how girls view an attractive men.
I posted a picture in my first post where you could clearly see that a good-looking guy with autism is still hot stuff.


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[Chase]

Banned for trolling.

Wasn't his first post about looks, but he's gotten increasingly radical about it.

Anyone just tuning in, science on looks is covered here:

How Much Do Looks Matter for Romantic Success?

Or, if you'd rather just read some rhetoric, here:

“I Can’t Get Girls Because Girls Only Want [BLANK]”

It's sad when you see a guy go over to PUAHate/Looksism, but gentleman: that's what it looks like if you take that stroll down washout lane. These guys are the male equivalent of the angry feminist pounding on her keyboard that men only want supermodels since, after all, no man appreciates her clearly sparkling personality.

Chase

 

[Chase]

Yeah, no problem, Radeng!

Looks are important. Nice teeth / good jaws / stuff like that of course makes a difference. If you or anyone else wants to make posts about this stuff, that's totally good by me.

The reason for KDB's ban is his preacher-like "This is the TRUTH and all your other lies shall be washed away! ONLY LOOKS MATTER!!" ramblings and hard-headed insistence that it's "Just looks, guys - this is the only thing. Believe! (oh, and P.S., Krauser is a fake)"

So yeah, don't worry about chatting about orthodontics or anything related; perfectly good and interesting topic. It's the whole heavily agenda'd "only looks matter, and this isn't a debate, I'm telling you because I'm the expert, I've learned from the angry virgins at SlutHate so I know it must be true" spiel I don't want in these parts. Dunning-Kruger in action.

Plenty of other places on the Internet guys can go gripe about women and comfort each other by saying it's okay, there's nothing you could do about it anyway.

Chase

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

this thread seems to reflect a lot of what PUAHate (now sluthate) believed, not sure if it is a troll account and don't wanna make accusations off the bat but if those guys have found this forum....


oh boy!

 

[GeneralFap]

I agree that white guys have it easier. Pretty much anywhere they go in the world they are in demand. My friend is white, wears average clothes, overweight and has a "down syndromy" looking face (no offence man) and he sleeps with white girls so fucking easily, it's ridiculous. He also has no game, I go out with him and the girls become attracted instantly; the only good thing he has is he knows how to lead and make things happen when he gets a girl. So congrats to him. I also know a Dominican guy who is ugly and has good game, but the quality of girls he gets is lower than my white friend.

Even if you are ugly you can still do things to improve your looks. Hairstyle, for example, can change how you look by a lot. When I was in my first two years of high school, I used to have a curly afro. Some girls were attracted to me, but there were others who said that I was "too ugly." When I started 11th grade I changed up my hairstyle to a faux hawk and girls where staring at me way more and people were telling me that I looked cool/handsome/sexy.

I think a lot of it has to do with your level of self-esteem. When I was in middle school I used to get bullied a lot about my looks. Almost every fucking day I was told I was ugly by a lot of people and it really messed up my self-image. I used to keep my head down in class every single class; I did it so much teachers would be telling me to put my head up. (I didn't want anyone to see my face because I thought they would ridicule me because I felt I was hideous). Even today (at 21) I'm still trying to get over all of that trauma that happened to me when I was younger, but it can be done.

 

[Drck]

I agree with lots of stuff Kollega wrote, but I also disagree with some important points.

* Seduction is overrated. Average guy doesn't need many skills to seduce a girl. Knowing more stuff doesn't of course hurt. I believe that many guys want to go from 0 success to 110% of success, and for that GC is great, it gives you 120%. However, you (an average guy) just need say 30% skills to become successful...

Remember: Seduction is not a difficult science. Seduction is the most natural thing in nature, millions of species living today is a proof. If you work hard on seduction, you are working against yourself...

* Chase, no need to ban people for different opinions or radical views, as long as they are not directly insulting somebody. There are always different ways to get to the same place. I've seen several Nice Guys getting unbelievably hot girls, with totally different approach than what can be found here. I've seen true assholes getting frequently laid, even without any seduction skills. It is not wrong, it is just different approach...

* Friend Zone - that is your (Kollega) problem. You many not be sexy appealing at all, or you may be pretending that you are too sexy. Both are useless. Remember, girls can read you, just because you can fake sexy smile or throw some sexy words here and there doesn't mean that she really believes that you are true sexy guy. Also, consider that you might be doing TOO MUCH. She is tuned to 'normal' guys that she sees around, but if she meets somebody who appears too sexy, too confident, too eager for sex and so on, she may put her barriers way up.

* Bodybuilding: you wrote that girls were lusting for your body, so obviously it works. Is bodybuilding great to raise attraction? Yes. Is it the only thing that you need to get laid? I don't think so. So being in a good condition, having some muscle mass and being fit is simply a good tool to have under your belt. It can help you a lot, and it will not definitely hurt you - unless that particular bodybuilder is typical meat head...

* Red Pill is true, you can see it everywhere. It is actually quite disgusting what is going on in the society, Red Pill is true eye opener (don't mean just looks, money and status)...

* Looks are important. But is it all you need? Nope. Similar like with bodybuilding, good looks will most likely help you, but at the same time they can hurt you if you are too good looking (as she may go to autorejection). Good looking guy in neat/clean clothes creates good first impression. First impression is important, however it is not the only thing that will get you laid. A guy who has more personality but doesn't look as well can take over your girl, no matter how pretty face you have. There is also an association between good looks and Nice Guys (e.g. more confident guy doesn't care that much about his looks).

* Girls do lust those muscular, dominant guys. These guys usually also have lots of confidence. That is seduction 101, it's been written many times here on GC...

* Skin color: same like looks; I believe that white guys have advantage over ethnic guys. Does it mean that ethnic guys don't have a chance? Does it mean that only white guys get laid? Not at all, color is just color, it might be initial disadvantage but you can overcome it.

* Eyes are also important. How they look, but mostly what they express. Do you look away or down when you first interact with the girl? If so, the likelihood that you are gone right there is high, she will think that you are submissive or disinterested. Do you look up? She will think you are a weirdo, dreamer, "out there". On the other hand, if you look firmly into her eyes, if you are non-threatening, perhaps if you smile litlle bit, you will increase your attractiveness.

* Maxilla may be somehow related to personality. Usually people with wider and more massive maxilla are more dominant, more goal oriented. But overall, it is rather the whole appearance of the guy, not just a jaw.

* "Don't waste your time trying to learn the right thing to say" >>>> Agreed. It doesn't really matter, there are no "smart" words to trick her. She either likes you enough or not. If she likes you enough, all you have to do is push forward and avoid being overly stupid or hesitant. You simply have to show that you are interested enough in sex, without being too fixated on sex. If she doesn't like you enough, your sexy smiles or clever texts will not change it, she will always flake....

* Status and Money: Well, there are plenty of rich guys with high status and lots of money, and they have difficulties getting GF. On the other hand, if the girl is looking for a provider, or if she is a gold digger, she will seek such guy, so he may eventually get "lucky". If there are two guys who are approximately equal, she will go with the one who has more money and higher status - unless she is stupid... If a girl is bored, if all she knows are Nice Guys, and she meets a guy who offers her nice ride, unusual adventure and even money - most likely she will take it, unless she is too conservative...

* "Confidence does not matter. Looks do" >>>> Totally disagree. Confidence is one of the biggest one in seduction, looks are also important but way below. But what does it mean to be confident? Well, a guy sort of have to be confident to approach a girl and talk to her while relatively relaxed. If he is anxious, if he is all red while approaching the girl with 'sexy walk', that's not confidence. Think approaching 100 girls in one afternoon - after you approach say 90 pretty girls, all 8/10, you simply don't give a damn what you say and how you look to the next girl you meet. That's some "confidence" based on experience. Or think about sleeping with 50 girls in 3 months, all 8/10. Would it matter to you if you get rejected by one or two girls? You could care less, you would laugh at them. That's confidence. The guy also needs to be confident to lead the interaction forward (sex). He can be super-confident overall but if he doesn't lead towards sex his confidence is useless.

At the same time be careful with confidence. If you overshoot confidence, you may easily appear as jerk, or as too big of an asshole. In that case she may easily go to auto-rejection.


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Anyway, a good way to look at it is that there are several variables, and it is rather a combination of them. A good look itself won't get you laid. Confidence itself won't get you laid. Money and status itself won't get you laid. Bodybuilding/being fit itself won't get you laid. But if you are decent/neat looking, you have some muscles and decent confidence, you are interested in that particular girl and keep pushing forward - you will get laid.

So I would recommend to re-learn some of the stuff you've read on various web sites. In summary, some examples:

* A guy is great looking but he doesn't push the interaction forward - eventually he will be rejected.
* A guy is confident but he doesn't push forward - he will be rejected.
* A good looking guy becomes a bodybuilder, he is confident, but he is not much interested in her, he doesn't push forward - he will be rejected.
* A good looking guy has sexy walks, sexy smiles, sexy confidence, but he is ignoring any possibility for sex - he will be rejected, and she will get quite pissed at him.

* A normal looking guy, without muscles, without money and status, without extra confidence, without extra sexy-ness approaches girl, talks to her, is genuinely interested in her, pushes gently forward, appears rather mature > he will get laid more times than all the above guys combined...

 

[Throwaway01]

The huge flaw about

The huge flaw about GirlsChase.

1) Sorry for saying this - but Skin Color DOES matter. There have been plenty studies that show that women prefer a white guy over an ethnic guy.

What studies are you talking about? guess you haven't heard of the "dark handsome man" alot of girls talk about. Seriously race is not
really an issue, no point trying to shoot at people's feet here.

Honestly, you either are not a good looking person or have any good looking friends if you think they can't have relationship problems
or if they're getting laid left and right cause they look good.
Same goes for rich people or whatever people, relationships are more complex than that.

 

[fsc]

tl;dr

My two cents:

I'm a 5'7" Asian dude with tiny eyes. I've daygamed with a 6'1" white dude who was a midway between Chris Hemsworth and Shaun White and an equally tall, fit black dude with a golden radio voice, and there were plenty of times where I've outperformed both of them.

Nothing is absolute. People are variable.

One of the senior members here told me this a while ago, and i found it to be one of the best advices. Seduction is sales. You are the product. Build yourself into a top-tier product via fundamentals, mindset, experience, and put yourself out there. GirlsChase has all the knowledge you need. Unfortunately, not all girls are in the market, and not all girls are shopping for what you have to offer. But once in a while, you hook a customer who's also your type. If you fail to close the deal at whatever stage of the process, your perfomance is most likely to blame. Jack off and think about all the times where you may have come up short. Fix it and try again.

Sometimes, the shortcomings may be rooted in attributes that you were born with. But there are usually ways to mitigate the impact. For example, my left eye is smaller than my right. A quick way to mitigate the asymmetry is to part a bit more hair to the left. I also dress fairly fratty in order to be more relatable and "mingle-able" with the type of girls who go for the white fratty guys, without faking to be someone else. I'm still me, but i only present the side of me that aligns better with the type of girls i want. I don't wear floral shirts and Sperrys, because i refuse to go full fratty and follow trends too closely, but i wear nice button downs with white shorts and brown shoes, etc.

Bottom line, you only have yourself to blame, whether it's negative mindset, lack of fundamentals or inexperience. You won't get anywhere by sitting at home complaining about how you're short and chubby and not white. Find ways around whatever it is that you're complaining about. Most importantly, don't take things so seriously and enjoy yourself. In the most basic form, you're simply just talking to people

 

[Tim Iron]

Looks matter 100% on Tinder, HotorNot and Badoo. In real life, there are some other things that you need... you can't rely on looks alone. Read the article How To Be A Sexy Man (www.girlschase.com/content/how-be-sexy-man)