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@Karea Ricardus D.
I do agree with this though,
I’m doing pretty well with online game rn and I’d love to read and learn from your LRs. How raunchy they are shouldn’t be a problem.
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@Karea Ricardus D.
I do agree with this though,
I’m doing pretty well with online game rn and I’d love to read and learn from your LRs. How raunchy they are shouldn’t be a problem.
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@TomInHo I completely understand where you're coming from in that response you made but it just completely comes of the wrong way. I know you didn't mean it as an insult but as a neutral reading, that's how it's come off, as if you're insulting/attacking his character and not what he was saying.
No problem calling someone out who you disagree with but there's plenty of ways to do it respectfully.
-M
No problem calling someone out who you disagree with but there's plenty of ways to do it respectfully.
-M
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You right
There’s more constructive ways of giving value. I’ll chill out and go eat a snickers
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He does this all the time, he goes from thread to thread and shits on everything and condescends to everyone as if all forum members are idiots except for him. I've been meaning to put him on my ignore list for half a year, but kept biting my tongue, it was way overdue.
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Different people have different delivery styles, thominho is pretty knowledgeable and legit, I personally don't have an issue with stronger delivery styles, and he is on a private group with me were we are used to that strong delivery style, I blame it on habit of distortion writing like we do in a private group.... In nextasf also we used to go at it 50 times worst than that, women on the field give you at times shit worst than that... I told thomino privately to drop it and to go ahead and make a constructive online guide, he is working on it....I advice Guys just to calibrate to posters that are not cool with stronger type delivery styles... It has happened a lot to me as well...
Last couple of years we have made progress on the community unity as I mentioned in the last year review...
Let's just let this go and hopefully @TomInHo writes an online guide, he is one of the best in general in social media, online and pretty good at all types of games, he is also a good coach and has clients with success on online so he probably got triggered by the post context, since is not his reality nor his clients.. also thomino is top 1 percent on his fundamentals and lifestyle and worked hard to achieve that..
I used to get triggered with people jumping on my post arguing with my texting structure , sexual humor, none verbal physical, too old etc... so I can relate how upsetting can it be..
We also guys need to remember that a lot of newer Guys to the community, don't know that karea is one of the top guys and a legend... We also want to be more smooth with guys like that so they don't stop posting. .
My point of the above is let's just drop it and move on to other topics I don't want thom or Karea both legit to stop posting or contributing or get discouraged...
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Crazy times when skills is doing a good job of being mr diplomat... Truth is stranger than fiction. Lol
Wanted to chime in, have a lot of respect for both Karea and Tominho who've helped me private in DMs.
This a chance for me to flag some things the community can do better. I say this to be productive and as sad as it sounds because I care as this is the few last credible sources/communities left:
1. Dismissing game styles isn't helpful, a far more productive conversation is I personally don't like x style because of 123 but if you insist this is how it could work and here's pros/cons. Should also give free reign to people who are seeing success in that area to share their contributions.
2. Seducers need to do a better job of sharing *all the information* as to how they see their success. For example your level of fundementals helps in different areas probably online the most. I openly talk about seeking good ratios in NG and other seducers have spoken about seeking less competitive cities. Otherwise newbies think how the hell are they getting these results/make it look easy and they get discouraged
3. We need to put our egos aside (I'm guilty of this too) there's a trend where low ranking guys can give great contributions and get overlooked whereas top guys say unproductive things and get encouraged. All that should matter is results on the field.
Just my 2C we may clash at times but genuinely think most people are here for the right reasons
Wanted to chime in, have a lot of respect for both Karea and Tominho who've helped me private in DMs.
This a chance for me to flag some things the community can do better. I say this to be productive and as sad as it sounds because I care as this is the few last credible sources/communities left:
1. Dismissing game styles isn't helpful, a far more productive conversation is I personally don't like x style because of 123 but if you insist this is how it could work and here's pros/cons. Should also give free reign to people who are seeing success in that area to share their contributions.
2. Seducers need to do a better job of sharing *all the information* as to how they see their success. For example your level of fundementals helps in different areas probably online the most. I openly talk about seeking good ratios in NG and other seducers have spoken about seeking less competitive cities. Otherwise newbies think how the hell are they getting these results/make it look easy and they get discouraged
3. We need to put our egos aside (I'm guilty of this too) there's a trend where low ranking guys can give great contributions and get overlooked whereas top guys say unproductive things and get encouraged. All that should matter is results on the field.
Just my 2C we may clash at times but genuinely think most people are here for the right reasons
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I was going to just leave this alone but your post @Skills made me think I need to clarify something after all.
When someone quotes an entire post, and then goes through it point by point by point and disagrees with EVERYTHING, it's ALL wrong, he loses all credibility instantly. Surely someone debating in good faith would say "I agree with this, disagree with this, kinda 50/50 on this."
Not "wrong, wrong, wrong... lol why you doing this..." and all written in a general tone of mockery. What's his LTR experience? This was my 9th real relationship. Shut the fuck up.
I then saw him do the same thing to many other guys, talking down to people, I almost put him on my ignore list a few times for posts he made in response to other guys, not to me.
Then I did 3 more things to try and prevent an escalation.
Online game is fucking easy if you're good looking, or go for 6s, or have an SMP advantage. As Sinn said, "it's one step up from prostitution". If you just past "face control" with your pictures, she's DTF. How do I know, cause I was that guy in certain SMPs myself, 2 lays a day, easy peasy.
Finally, I'm not going to take raunchy LRs that were written for a private forum and before SJW, and cross post them on a public forum in 2024. Not gonna happen. I'm not worried about proving anything or I wouldn't write my journal the way I'm writing it. That should be obvious by now.
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I hope that clarifies. Bottom line, as I said on my journal: "debating in bad faith and then starting a stupid argument based on ego bullshit" is the criteria that will land anyone on my ignore list, no matter their rank.
I would put my mentor CJ himself on my ignore list if he talked like that (except he never did or would, cause he has actual social skills).
Thanks for trying to mediate though Skills, I do appreciate.
-Karea.
I have no problem with strong delivery styles, I word things very strongly myself sometimes. What I have a problem with is "debating in bad faith", talking down to people, and general ego bullshit. I came within an inch of blocking Tom after he made this post.
When someone quotes an entire post, and then goes through it point by point by point and disagrees with EVERYTHING, it's ALL wrong, he loses all credibility instantly. Surely someone debating in good faith would say "I agree with this, disagree with this, kinda 50/50 on this."
Not "wrong, wrong, wrong... lol why you doing this..." and all written in a general tone of mockery. What's his LTR experience? This was my 9th real relationship. Shut the fuck up.
I then saw him do the same thing to many other guys, talking down to people, I almost put him on my ignore list a few times for posts he made in response to other guys, not to me.
Then I did 3 more things to try and prevent an escalation.
- I posted another reminder not to descend into ego bullshit here, without naming him specifically
- I posted another reminder here, again without mentioning his name to avoid any issues
- I responded to his accusation that "me and the 23 guys who liked my post suck at online game" (fuck off), again without naming him.
Online game is fucking easy if you're good looking, or go for 6s, or have an SMP advantage. As Sinn said, "it's one step up from prostitution". If you just past "face control" with your pictures, she's DTF. How do I know, cause I was that guy in certain SMPs myself, 2 lays a day, easy peasy.
Finally, I'm not going to take raunchy LRs that were written for a private forum and before SJW, and cross post them on a public forum in 2024. Not gonna happen. I'm not worried about proving anything or I wouldn't write my journal the way I'm writing it. That should be obvious by now.
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I hope that clarifies. Bottom line, as I said on my journal: "debating in bad faith and then starting a stupid argument based on ego bullshit" is the criteria that will land anyone on my ignore list, no matter their rank.
I would put my mentor CJ himself on my ignore list if he talked like that (except he never did or would, cause he has actual social skills).
Thanks for trying to mediate though Skills, I do appreciate.
-Karea.
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Yes boys just thought I'd throw my two cents in here. I am by no means an expert in game, certainly not on the level of some of the esteemed posters who have contributed to this thread. I am mid-30s, I have no idea how many women I've slept with but it is somewhere between 100 and 150, if I had to guess it would be about 125.
I came out of a LTR nearly 4 years ago, and I have spent those 4 years predominantly dating through online (hinge / bumble). I am a good looking guy, I constantly get compliments from girls at work etc, and most friends of mine assume I'm fucking all the time (I'm not lol). One draw back is I am SHORT.
On the apps, I have had mixed success. It was definitely even 3-4 years ago, I seemed to get matches easier. I tend to get decent matches but my conversion rates to dates is shockingly low. I usually match with relatively hot chicks (7s,8s the occasional 9) but hardly ever manage to get the date. It feels like I'm constantly fighting to get the date. If I do get a date, I usually get a lay. I'd say the past 4 years I've average 7 lays a year from online (I don't sleep with any girl below a 7).
However, since discovering this forum about 4 weeks ago i have thrown myself into day game. Well not even thrown myself in, I've done about 20 approaches in total. And honestly my phone is BUZZING continuously at the moment. I'm averaging a number close at over 50% of the time. And obviously I'm only approaching hot girls. They absolutely love the cold approach. I've had 2 lays so far ... and once I can crack the art of actually scheduling dates, I'm sure that will increase.
All this should be caveated that it might be that I am just shit at online dating. Could well be that. But I actually just think its too fckin competitive. You've got to get them at exactly the right time. I've even had girls where I've matched twice before with them, they didn't respond, and then eventually a third time its just the right time and suddenly they are up for a date. But for me personally day game is most definitely the way to go.
This by the way doesn't even touch on the downsides in terms of mental health / self esteem that Apps / Instagram bring. I could write a book on that stuff. I genuinely think they are toxic for men, but also society in general. But thats another matter altogether.
Cheers boys - enjoyed reading through this thread.
I came out of a LTR nearly 4 years ago, and I have spent those 4 years predominantly dating through online (hinge / bumble). I am a good looking guy, I constantly get compliments from girls at work etc, and most friends of mine assume I'm fucking all the time (I'm not lol). One draw back is I am SHORT.
On the apps, I have had mixed success. It was definitely even 3-4 years ago, I seemed to get matches easier. I tend to get decent matches but my conversion rates to dates is shockingly low. I usually match with relatively hot chicks (7s,8s the occasional 9) but hardly ever manage to get the date. It feels like I'm constantly fighting to get the date. If I do get a date, I usually get a lay. I'd say the past 4 years I've average 7 lays a year from online (I don't sleep with any girl below a 7).
However, since discovering this forum about 4 weeks ago i have thrown myself into day game. Well not even thrown myself in, I've done about 20 approaches in total. And honestly my phone is BUZZING continuously at the moment. I'm averaging a number close at over 50% of the time. And obviously I'm only approaching hot girls. They absolutely love the cold approach. I've had 2 lays so far ... and once I can crack the art of actually scheduling dates, I'm sure that will increase.
All this should be caveated that it might be that I am just shit at online dating. Could well be that. But I actually just think its too fckin competitive. You've got to get them at exactly the right time. I've even had girls where I've matched twice before with them, they didn't respond, and then eventually a third time its just the right time and suddenly they are up for a date. But for me personally day game is most definitely the way to go.
This by the way doesn't even touch on the downsides in terms of mental health / self esteem that Apps / Instagram bring. I could write a book on that stuff. I genuinely think they are toxic for men, but also society in general. But thats another matter altogether.
Cheers boys - enjoyed reading through this thread.