This one is complicated, NEED HELP!

[R12]

First off, let me start by saying that Ive been reading this site for a couple days now and realize that Ive made COUNTLESS mistakes in my romantic career and have missed PLENTY of opportunities. I hope to learn more as I read more of the helpful information on this great site.

That said, here is my weird situation. I was with my ex at the time, we went to Vegas for some school convention of hers. This is a 90% female school. One night we went clubbing and met up with 3 of her friends, one of which REALLY caught my attention. Obviously I wasnt going to approach her seeing as I was with my girl, but we had a great time at the club. Even thought we made pretty good eye contact a few times during that night. When I got back home I COULDNT stop thinking about this broad, and wanted to try to talk to her but couldnt. Keep in mind that my ex and this girl are NOT good friends, more like school mates that got along well at school and ONLY hung out that one night in Vegas.

A few weeks pass after I get home and I still couldnt stop thinking about her. In my desperation, I made a fake facebook profile (no pics) and hit her up. I told her that I was an admirer but couldnt reveal myself because I was with one of her friends. We spoke for a couple weeks during which she was demanding me to reveal myself to her. I didnt, afraid she'd rat me out to my girl at the time, and she said she wasnt going to speak to me anymore. Fine. This was in 2010.

Last week I got bored out of my mind at work and decided to log on to that fake FB profile for the heck of it. She was online. I sent her a IM and we got to talking again. I asked her playing around "so when are we going out?" She responded "dont I remember you telling me that you were with one of my friends?" And I said "not anymore"

The conversation continued. Long story shorter I ended up telling her who I was. I then asked her if she'd like to get together and have a drink, to which she said "listen, you seemed like a nice guy and I had a great time with you, but I really couldnt do that Becky, we weren't the best of friends but I have a lot of respect for her, sorry." I said "ok, no problem, I had to try." Then she started asking for my real FB profile, I told I her didnt have one. I then told her "if you wanna see pics of me I can text them to you if you'd like." She said yes. So the conversation moved on to text. I text her a couple pics, asked her if she thought I was cute to which she responded "yes you are." The next day I text her again, and we chit chatted for a few, maybe 10 texts total. Later on that night she text me a pic of herself without me asking. I commented on how attractive I thought she was, she said thanks, and I invited her to a NBA game coming up soon. She said, "i'll go with you as friends if you want."

Heres where Im confused, my mind if telling me this is a lost cause because she has only initiated conversation once when she sent me the pic. She said she thought I was cute and agreed to go to the game with me but only as friends. I hit her up for Xmas and we chatted a little, but nothing since. Should I just give up? Or take her to the game as see what happens? Sorry for the super long first post, but hopefully I can get some pros to tell me what I should do. I'd hate to spend a few hundred bucks to take her out on a date for me only to have my Johnson in my hand at the end of the night. Thanks in advance.

 

[almosteasy21]

I would give it a half assed shot. I don't think she would have sent you a pic of herself if she didn't at least want something from you. Keep in mind that I'm new to pick up but once I'm in I have a really solid close %. Anyway here's my thinking...get her investing in you almost from the get go. Make her work to impress you and keep the thoughts of you having to show her a good time out of your head. She asked you so the pressure is on her to show you a good time. Now as soon as she shows you any investment then reward her by moving fast.

Good luck bro.

 

[almosteasy21]

Oh and don't pay for her!!! Not for anything. If you aren't into basketball i'd try to go somewhere else with her on another day.sorry I didn't read the last part about the hundreds of dollars.

 

[R12]

Oh and don't pay for her!!! Not for anything. If you aren't into basketball i'd try to go somewhere else with her on another day.sorry I didn't read the last part about the hundreds of dollars.

I think its a little late for that. I specifically invited her to the game and dont expect her to shell out $150 for a ticket. Besides, I do love my Knicks! LOL

 

[almosteasy21]

Personally I would attempt to get one of my boys to buy one of the tickets and go with me. I've taken a few girls to Penguin games (NHL) and it ended up being a waste of money. You would have a better chance with her plus it would be cheaper if you two can figure out something else to do. You don't want to be put into the provider/boyfriend role already since tickets aren't cheap.

 

[The Tool]

Yea man, DO NOT SHELL OUT 150 dollars to go to a basketball game with her. Make it coffee or something because if she agrees to coffee with which u will pay a max of 3.50 for her she is going for you. with the basketball game she is not going to go with you she is going for the enjoyment of going to a basketball game. say something like, My hookup for the tickets let me down so the bball game is a no go. lets meet up for a coffee instead.

Cheers The Tool

 

[R12]

Yea man, DO NOT SHELL OUT 150 dollars to go to a basketball game with her. Make it coffee or something because if she agrees to coffee with which u will pay a max of 3.50 for her she is going for you. with the basketball game she is not going to go with you she is going for the enjoyment of going to a basketball game. say something like, My hookup for the tickets let me down so the bball game is a no go. lets meet up for a coffee instead.

Cheers The Tool

Perfect. I knew that the BB game was a mistake a few minutes after I sent the text, but couldnt figure out how to cancel without canceling all together. You, sir, are a G.

But...from what a described in my OP, do you think shes interested?

 

[The Tool]

Honestly the interest boils down to if she agrees to go to coffee with you. The fact that she sent pics is interest alone especially if they were explicit pictures. so hopefully she agrees to the coffee. if not you have an abundance of other women to choose from. so good luck my brother.

 

[R12]

Honestly the interest boils down to if she agrees to go to coffee with you. The fact that she sent pics is interest alone especially if they were explicit pictures. so hopefully she agrees to the coffee. if not you have an abundance of other women to choose from. so good luck my brother.

Thanks again. I initially asked her to go to the game to which she agreed "as friends", then on Xmas eve I asked her to meet for breakfast and she told me she was working, which I confirmed through FB lol

Ok, if she denies me, what should I say?

 

[The Tool]

If she denies you just act cool, say something like "your right maybe we should be just friends" and if shes interested in more than that she might ask you out herself, ive had this work for me before. essentially you do not want to chase (this is girlschase ) but i guess it doesnt hurt to try so maybe say "your right maybe we should be just friends and as friends you and I should meet up for coffee" then be sexual, use kino, chase framing and sexual framing on the date and see if she responds, then pull her home and hit a home run.

Hope this helps my man

 

[almosteasy21]

Speaking of the pictures I would use them as chase frames. Something like "Are you going to try to impress me with anymore of pictures today? Looking foreword to it ".

 

[R12]

Incredible advice guys, thanks again and please keep the replies coming, I really wanna slam this chick so any help is appreciated.

 

[R12]

Ok so I just sent this exact text

Gina, hey! Hope you had a great christmas! Listen, unfortunately my hookup for the tickets let me down so the Knicks game is a no go. Lets meet up for coffee/drinks instead. Let me know.

-John

 

[Garrett]

Hey R12!

I've had some experience under my belt, mind you I'd say I'm intermediate so I'll give you some advice.

Firstly, you want to "slam" this chick right? So first of all, stop texting her! Trust me man Chase is right, you're going to kill her attraction for you!. You want to strike a balance, don't come off too valuable, but at the same time, you can't come off as not valuable enough for her to sleep with you!

So here's what you have to do. Firstly, DO NOT invite her to the basketball game. Her value for you will go up, you'll have a MUCH HARDER time getting her to sleep with you, and you could force her into auto rejection if you try to hard and be too easy. Do what Tool said, and invite her out for coffee. If you end up buying her drink, no big deal, but make sure she understands it's no big deal because buying her food/drinks is going to increase your value, meaning she will like you MORE, but not in a sexual/attractive way.

Keep in mind that all girls are different, so if you screw up somewhere along the road, and if the girl likes you, then it shouldn't matter much. When I say screw up though, I mean something that won't matter much like picking her her tab if it's just an inexpensive drink. Texting her just to talk is pointless, you typically want to send her MAX 10 texts, all of which should be used to move things forward and to get her out. Chase has posts on this and it has worked for me countless times.

So here's the plan, you invite her out for coffee and you deep dive, chase frame (good point by Kinny btw), set sexual frames, make sure your fundamentals are good (talk slower/walk slower), and you can do what The Tool did on his date and place your hand on her lower back as you guide her through the door. So after a few hours of that, make sure your logistics are down, meaning you have a plan of where you are going to slam her, then if she objects, be persistent and throw off her logic/emotions, so if she says something like, "I don't think I should, we're just friends", then you could say something like, "I'm just showing you my antique collection, stop getting ideas in your head " then if she objects again, be a little persistent, get her to follow your lead, take her to the desired spot, try the manhandle kiss, then do the business. Make sure after though that you take care of her emotional needs throughout the date and after you close or she may go into autorejection due to buyer's remorse because she'll feel taken advantage of.

Also, KEEP IN MIND, you have to be gradually/naturally doing this so like if you weren't doing ANY OF THAT before (talking slower, and handling fundamentals), make sure you're discrete, subtle and gradual because 1. she'll catch on, and 2. you'll look tryhard/unattractive. If you lose her no big deal, on to the next one.

Goodluck, and keep us updated!
Garrett

 

[The Tool]

Good stuff Garrett. Keep us updated R12

 

[Flames]

Playing deniability springs to mind here, which exactly what everyone else's suggestions are leading to, expect a lot of 'objections'.

Look up Chases advice on addressing objections. (anyone have the link please?)

Also don't get too wrapped up in her being friends with that other girl, she'll try and make you feel guilty for that trust me That's her problem..

 

[R12]

Well no response to the last text so I think this could be potentially a lost cause. Sucks.

 

[Flames]

Well no response to the last text so I think this could be potentially a lost cause. Sucks.

Never ever think that completely wrong way of thinking, she's probably just busy, and even if she isn't it's not worth 'worrying' about.

 

[R12]

Update:

Her response to my last text (a whole day later)

"Christmas was great, thank you. Hope you had a good time as well. Dont worry about the tickets."

Ok, I can take a hint. She didnt even acknowledge the coffee/drinks question. I know this broad isnt interested, and Im fine with that. A little disappointed, but whatever. Should I respond with something? Or should I just not respond at all? If I did respond I was thinking of something like..."Great! So youre gonna buy the tickets yourself?"

But at this point, not sure if I should subject myself to the inevitable rejection, or perhaps even a flat out "forever ignore".

 

[Garrett]

Hey R12!

Thanks for the update, now here's my advice. Firstly, when you sent her the message about the Knicks game it was good, but when you said let's go for drinks, you should have proposed a time/place, something like, "I was thinking we could go for a hot chocolate (drinks is fine too, but a girl I said that too thought I meant alcohol lol), how's your schedule looking this week?" By saying "Let me know", you kind of put the pressure on her to take things over and to possibly even propose a meetup date. That's your job as the man to take charge, findout when she is free, and if it fits into YOURS and HER schedule, then make it happen. Keep in mind, you and the woman are "equal" so if it works for her and not you, then screw that. Another thing, if she had proposed to go do something else, like shopping, screw that too because you probably don't wanna do that, plus she's taking the lead so attraction sinks down the drain! Also, if the girl isn't really feeling you, she isn't really going to want to make things happen, so ideally you don't want to give her much "mental work", if you are trying to get her out. Saying "Let me know", she's got to do a lot of analyzing, Chase mentioned this, where the girl starts thinking things like "Do I like him like that, I thought we were just friends, etc." You get my point.

Assuming you had done things efficiently and effectively (don't feel bad, we've all made these mistakes), and if she said "I'm free Friday night" and provided that works for YOU, you say "Cool, I'll meet you at Starbucks around 7, sound good?" She replies with "Yeah ". Then you cut off all interaction until a few hours before your date (try to make it within the same week). Then you say "Hey Kelly (random name), are we still on for tonight?" You could even flake out then move it to the next day if you want. Makes you look busy/mysterious/like you've got options/more attractive, and she'll probably be MORE WARM if you do, but you don't have to. If she says she's free Friday and Saturday night, you could flake on the Friday then get her out on Saturday .

^^ The information above is for a girl who is INTERESTED in you though bro. I don't think this girl is really feeling you anymore, but that's no big deal! Fortunately, once you understand what Chase teaches like I recently have, girls seem so easy to get. Despite the fact that I personally don't really have many girls in my life right now, I feel abundance because I know if I went out I could basically get any girl, fairly easily/quickly. I may be a bit nervous due to inexperience, but I'd still get them thanks to all of you guys and Chase.

Anyways, back to your situation. I suggest you just go out and meet a ton of women and you'll get the skills down with patience and hard work. Read Chase's blogs then go out and continuously/consistently apply what he says and you're golden/better than all the other guys out there (well most of them anyway). Also, don't text her back man, not worth your time/effort to think about her, just go out instead and let us know how things go!

Best of luck,
Garrett