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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Inspired by Drexel's recent article, though her profile didn't portray herself either as M/w, I went for the sexual frame to frame myself as 100% lover immediately. I have a single picture in jeans and a blazer sitting on a bed taking a mirror pic but looking at the phone. My blurb was "last few nights in town".

After this I made another height comment cause she didn't answer, but implied 'of course'. After this she said "Whatever, I'm down ###-###-####". Unfortunately I am in a border city and she's in a different country lol so no dice.

Her area code was from a different state. Has anyone gone this sexual from the getgo without any signal from the girl first?

Does it work when she's not also just in town temporarily and with no reason to at all put an act up?

She looked fit but taller than me judging from her pics.

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Bboy100

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This is a scam. I've gotten this same message word for word from many profiles. I'm not entirely sure what they want because I never give my phone number out. But believe me, its not real. Sorry! :/
 

Franco

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mb1,

Sorry bud -- based on the picture and the initial conversation, I think Bboy is right here. That looks like a bot. Tinder has a ton of them these days. If you were to continue the conversation, it would probably lead to the bot giving you a link to some website/e-mail subscription.

It's sometimes hard to spot these bots, but the general rule of thumb is, "if it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is."

- Franco
 

mb1

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Thanks you guys! Guess I definitely need some better pictures after all - my matches are so far sub par haha. Sucks the bots are getting smarter! I've seen many who send super long messages with a link immediately though have never received a phone number.

Anyways, to get some utility out of this thread.. Are you guys having success with sexual openers? I'm guessing most guys get pretty sexual (even the unsuccessful ones) so how to differentiate? I'm thinking try to frame her as chasing or sexual.

Here is one example...

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I'm torn whether it's a good idea to deep dive even a little since it would differentiate though is wayyy more effective at making her feel connected while in person, plus it's moving sort of slow since Tinder's done some decent screening already.

Perhaps it's best to get sexual then get to logistics asap.

Any thoughts? I'm wondering if perhaps some girls may find it fun to talk so openly over an app, though am I walking into huge anti slut defense where they may then resist meeting up? I can't imagine EVERY girl is going to accept such a frame and then meet up. It seems like this would screen for ONLY the super sexually open girls, which is great, but also may rule out a lot of girls with more typical smokescreens.

I.e. where's the plausible deniability?
 

Bboy100

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Are you guys having success with sexual openers?
On sexual openers: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9635
That's a thread by Drexel. He does a pretty good job of explaining how you would go about making a conversation sexual over Tinder.

Just a reminder though...building a sexual frame offline is much easier than doing it online. The goal of Tinder is to get the girl out. Nothing else. Everything else can be done 10x more effectively in person.



I'm torn whether it's a good idea to deep dive even a little since it would differentiate though is wayyy more effective at making her feel connected while in person, plus it's moving sort of slow since Tinder's done some decent screening already.

On the contrary. Some deep diving is necessary. Remember, what is a women's biggest fear when meeting a guy offline? That he's a creep who's gonna kidnap her in his tinted van and do god knows what. This is a very unrealistic fear, but online still has a slight stigma, so it exists. Because of this, you must have at least a little bit of a connection with her.
In fact, all I do is open and deep dive. 1 topic. My "system" for getting girls off Tinder is very simple. And I've tried everything under the sun. So far, this has worked best.

1. Opener
2. Ask her how the online world's been treating her and relate to her answer. (if she asks wbu, you can say you've had some "interesting" or "exciting" experiances this subtly implies that you may have met and even had success with girls off Tinder, thereby achieving mild preselection.)
3. "So tell me about yourself. What kinds of things are you passionate about". (This is essentially deep diving...and it works, as long as you don't do it for very long)
4. Relate to her answer and ask ONE follow up question.
5. Relate to her answer to your follow up question and say "Btw, wanna go out for drinks/coffee/ice cream/whatever date you're planning? I feel like text isnt a very good way of getting to know each other." (That last sentence is A. a reason for her to go out with you...psychologically speaking, if you give people a reason ANY reason for doing something, they are more likely to comply. B. So far, you've been pretty boring. The only amazing thing is your pictures. This subtly implies w.o supplication that the reason you're so boring is cause its text, not because that's how you would be IRL.)
6. After she says yes, ask her what day would work for her and plan out logistics etc.
7. Leave your #. I don't even ask for hers. I just leave it that way there's no pressure. So far, every girl has texted me hers.

As you can see, there's nothing sexual, no teasing, no flirting. And believe me I've tried all the flirting/teasing you can imagine, and it was at best harmless. At worst, it made it take longer to get out, thereaby increasing the chances that she change her mind.

Remember, text is very impersonal. There's nothing you can do over text to form too strong an impression on her. As a result, 90% of Tinder is your pictures. If you still have bad pics, you will have almost 0% success no matter what you write. I know because I've been on both ends of the spectrum. I've had good pics and wrote aweful messages, and bad pics and wrote great messages. And the former has gotten me 16 dates in 4 months while living in a small town. The latter got me 1 date in a big city in two years

Having said that, I hear Colt's System is good. And in his webinars, he does say he creates sexual frames. I've never seen it because my success with Tinder is pretty good atm. But if you want to learn from someone who's truly mastered it, I would suggest investing in it.
 

Idle Billy

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Any threads here to do with social media I ignore..... until now!!!!! Girls have the upper hand on tinder, and hence reclusive nerds gather in big numbers.
 

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Bboy,

Awesome post dude - very helpful. Sounds like you've broken the dance of the game. You're right pics are literally basically everything. Tinder's been real fun so far - some cool results from strict screening, though the most positive ones comment they took a chance since my pics are blurry. This has got to be fixed.

Still, here's my experience so far. Billy, you're kind of right cause girls can take their pick and match with anyone since most guys swipe everyone blind. So yes they have power, but if you've matched, you're in a very small minority of who she has chosen - then it's GOTCHA (attraction's now more than an assumption).

Sounds like Bboy and Drexel differ in their screening approach. B seems to work seduction more, and D seems to screen down to likely a smaller number of much more adventurous women.

So far, I've gone with hard screening to control the frame better due to weak pictures lol. So I simply disqualify as boyfriend material in the blurb, so whoever matches must have a casual frame you might have had to work to build without realizing it was already there.

So I'm matching mostly girls who are rebounding off relationships!

As for strategy from there, I'm starting by taking points from every school lol and will calibrate over time. This looks like being super playful a la Colt, deep diving nice and quick like BBoy, and being ruthlessly sexual like Drexel (but conversely completely through innuendo that is also deep diving through statements and commands rather than questions). I do all this in every 1-2 messages if possible.

Oh, and it's easy to frame the whole thing as a chase frame when they're screened. Some will unmatch from the innuendo, often after enjoying it a bit but leaving as the heat went up (good, because other girls get wetter).

I will write a lay report to show the strategy. I don't let up on any of those aspects so it's very polarizing and challenging. It takes writing more than her (bad, but I believe my greater investment in word count is still relatively less than her having to read it, and then all the thinking about me a little shocked to see such a polarizing message that views her as a human while I'm back to doing something else with her off my mind), so I'm way less active on it than the girls so it comes across as being super busy and actually super efficient even in her eyes, as you communicate all the shit you want out of the way pretty quickly and stand out from the guys making dumb conversation rather than leading her through a seduction.

Forgive the run on sentences and don't do that on Tinder lol
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

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Hey guys, I wrote up a lay report you can check out. It set me up sexually before the meet if you're interested in ever trying things that way. I've also discovered a nice opener.

Me: "Hm so you appreciate wine and gazing over nice views... I'm not sure that we're compatible NAME. Tell me something else you like to do? Keep it PG please."

Her: "Lol that is a perfect greeting. i like to bike (with a helmet of course), be outside and hang out with friends. I'm also a mean soccer player. You?"

I like it because who doesn't like wine and nice views? Both were shown in her pictures. That's not a dig, but it communicate she hasn't impressed me yet. I'm also sexual, but don't demand she show it immediately (non neediness).

From there I experimented with the deepest level of subcommunication and completely fucked it up - talking about bike riding at night with a Trojan helmet (condom) but that no one would ever see us (because being seen with that helmet is embarrassing duh - not because the whole thing implies having sex outside at night). She lived hours away, so I was just screening to see if she'd jump to crazy sex with me immediately. She didn't respond but kept the match - so not attracted and/or in heat enough for me but curious! Haha just kidding - I clearly wasn't calibrated, but have found another girl into that stuff.
 

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Hey Drexel - I love your book man (yes I paid you)! If you meant the top post, yes my pictures were nowhere nice enough to match a girl that good looking.
 
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