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Chase with all the respect.. I cannot believe Dreamer is Oh pry.. He legit sounded like an Eastern European kind of guy, he even recognized some Polish words I used on the chat. Doesnt seem something IRT is capable of. It would really shock me if this is true.
Wanted to second DK here. Is it IRT? I have been good at sniffing out IRT but Dreamer didn't give me any IRT vibes as well. It's a very unique "scent" he has, haha
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@DarkKnight,
Think so?
What made you think he was Eastern European?
He claims he has to "dumb down his English over here" (here supposedly being Europe), and writes in extremely verbose, native-level English (Oh Pry-level verbose).
We had some other reasons to suspect it was him, too.
Dreamer joined on the same day as another IRT sock puppet, "Post Was Right" (both joined August 24, 2020); he engaged with threads started by IRT (as is the IRT pattern -- a lot of talking to himself); and used the same uncommon words to describe woman preferences and other things.
IRT has repeatedly claimed to be into/date EE women:
www.skilledseducer.com
Assuming that not everything he says is a lie (and granted that Polish women are, in general, fairly... well, straightforward to get together with, even for an Indian Race Troll), it wouldn't surprise me if he knew a few Polish words also. I can tell you I have definitely picked up a constellation of words in all kinds of different languages from the women I've been with.
IRT repeatedly talked about liking "Mediterranean" women, which Dreamer also did (dude only had 11 posts on his account, and one of them is already stating identical preferences to IRT):
Also, after not having made a post since December 5th, suddenly he was right in there mixing it up stirring up emotions in a thread in which two other IRT sock puppets were active as well.
It seemed sufficiently suspicious to us to give him the boot, anyway...
Chase
Think so?
What made you think he was Eastern European?
He claims he has to "dumb down his English over here" (here supposedly being Europe), and writes in extremely verbose, native-level English (Oh Pry-level verbose).
We had some other reasons to suspect it was him, too.
Dreamer joined on the same day as another IRT sock puppet, "Post Was Right" (both joined August 24, 2020); he engaged with threads started by IRT (as is the IRT pattern -- a lot of talking to himself); and used the same uncommon words to describe woman preferences and other things.
IRT has repeatedly claimed to be into/date EE women:
Want to travel to different countries for game, help a brown guy add to his list
Chase talked in one of his posts about how traveling to different countries is one of the best ways to get your lay count up, I actually want to do everything on Chase's list (including working in nightlife) while I am still in my twenties but the travel thing is something a couple years out. I...
www.skilledseducer.com
Assuming that not everything he says is a lie (and granted that Polish women are, in general, fairly... well, straightforward to get together with, even for an Indian Race Troll), it wouldn't surprise me if he knew a few Polish words also. I can tell you I have definitely picked up a constellation of words in all kinds of different languages from the women I've been with.
IRT repeatedly talked about liking "Mediterranean" women, which Dreamer also did (dude only had 11 posts on his account, and one of them is already stating identical preferences to IRT):
Also, after not having made a post since December 5th, suddenly he was right in there mixing it up stirring up emotions in a thread in which two other IRT sock puppets were active as well.
It seemed sufficiently suspicious to us to give him the boot, anyway...
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Indeed.
One other note -- it's been pointed out to me there are guys in chat worried IRT is also @MrRapo.
MrRapo was on the Alumni Forum with us and is a good guy who never caused trouble there (speaking of which, I should probably check back in on the Alumni Forum soon... I think I've let that go to seed, which is sad, because it was a pretty nice little community for a while).
IRT and MrRapo have both purchased things from Girls Chase, and their cards are registered on two different continents.
Unless IRT is jetting around the globe setting up residences the world over, with credit cards to match, MrRapo is not IRT.
Chase
One other note -- it's been pointed out to me there are guys in chat worried IRT is also @MrRapo.
MrRapo was on the Alumni Forum with us and is a good guy who never caused trouble there (speaking of which, I should probably check back in on the Alumni Forum soon... I think I've let that go to seed, which is sad, because it was a pretty nice little community for a while).
IRT and MrRapo have both purchased things from Girls Chase, and their cards are registered on two different continents.
Unless IRT is jetting around the globe setting up residences the world over, with credit cards to match, MrRapo is not IRT.
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For those of you who don't know me well i practice the martial art of capoeira (for almost 15 years, i am an instructor almost professor).... Capoeira is a Brazilian martial art develop for the oppressed slaves in brazil to free from slave owners in which they camouflaged the dance with martial arts... So think of it as "me too movement of martial arts", my point is we are indoctrinated and taught to defend the people that can not defend themselves. (hope this answers the why i am constantly defending the indefensible).... here is sample (my first sdl i got from a stripper from ny watching me do capoeira in Lincoln Road, south beach, grab her took her to the back of my suv bang bang, free lay report, almost no words exchanged)
Also I used to do foreclosure defense and i had lawyers working for me, in law is CRUSIAL to prove cases beyond reasonable doubt is not she said he said or vague arguments... (but this is not what this post is about, is just
Since they are not locking this post, instead of making a new post i am going to write here and relate to seduction (this will also serve as a way for Velasco to save face and recognize his mistakes), it will serve as an understanding for more or less what happens with velasco.... A month ago i had one incident with Velasco (he was saying trump election was stolen and came at me with ridiculous evidence from twitter), he also was going at me with the corona stuff, me and razor jack could not convince him that red could be flips as well.... I noticed that his problem is that he has a "forum distortion" in which is hard for him to change styles of posting delivery vs keeping different styles of posting, i used to write somewhat like him in mpua forum, is more of a polarizing, busting balls type of style (this does not sit well with some posters, specially the more European/asian/intellectual/sophisticated ones), but i never broke the rules there (well one time a dude copy a post plagiarizing my book that got me pissed as fuck, and i got banned for a week, but you guys can understand how pissed i was), but i digress.... I also did this style in nextasf at times, but once i saw the copycats doing it all uncalibrated, i started to change styles, when i came to this site (though people want to mislead otherwise with 0 proof i totally abandoned this style due to calibration to the chase crowd, though people porpusly are trying to misslead otherwise with 0 evidence)
This style of posting is more common in sites like a rip Puaha#$%$te, bodybulding misers, lookism etc.. Where they use words like: "Boyo", "is over"," just lol" "let me fix that for you" is a different type of style "fun" "busting balls" it could be interpret the wrong way, though Aaron sleazy posted like this and was similar cause he also frequent different communities.... I still do that at times for example yesterday i did that in zacadams journal (but is all in good fun zac)... now the problem is some people may interpret this style the wrong way and get annoyed by it (european/asian culture in my opinion do not have the American frat boy style and could take that type of style the wrong way)... Some latin cultures are also famous and good at ball busting.
About the incident with the police he fucked a girl on top of a police car (he did not get arrested for jumping in a police car) he had the same exact incident that chase i believe had mixing with vodka and redbull....
So, i want to tie this post and make it relatable to seduction and polarization, couple of years back i brought up the point on how polarization is very effective if done right when it comes to seduction, charisma etc... That was pre donald trump election and him running for office.... I followed up with another post (nextasf is gone but it was there) were i show why he won and it was effective.... Then after my fight with velasco, he inspired me A MONTH AGO, with an idea and i made a video... What is funny is that in the video i mentioned him and the problems he may have with his behavior.... AS ALWAYS, skills was right, though regrettably he got banned....
So here guys i am going to explain how polirization ties to charisma, seduction, and the rise and fall of polarizing figures such as velasco and Donald trump (keep in mind i wrote this post and made the video were by coincidence i talk about velasco a month ago and mentioned his problems in the forum with members so please listen to it)....
polarity role in seduction:
Lately i have been thinking a lot about polarity and seduction since is not a topic that is covered much, but i believe is super important. I have hooked up with many women by being polarizing; But anyways, I want to talk about the topic and how powerful it is in seduction, to keep relationships, work and life in general.
What is polarization:
Polarity: the state of having two opposite or contradictory tendencies, opinions, or aspects.
“the polarity between male and female”
For me polarization is displaying your raw self even if is not popular, is different and you are taking many risks including losing your prospects, your job, your friendships, your girl,looking bad etc…. Polarization will help you convert many women, lose a lot of women( not really), and make neutral women make a decision about you. However, just like vulnerability is not to be used as a TECHNIQUE. It has to be part of who you are.
Some popular polarizing figures like them or not are: Donald Trump, Howard Stern, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Really, Whoopi Golbert, Bill Maher, Russell Brand.
Some polarizing figures in the Community: Me, Jws, slyone, Mark Manson, Stelar, Good Looking Loser,Aaron Sleazy,Steve Jabba, Blackdragon, Mode One, NWP, Teevester, Gun,$matteo, most rsd instructors specially Julian, jeffy and Tyler Durden.
The advantages of polarization are:
1.- You will come across blunt/raw different which in most cases is attractive. Specially with women and bosses that are used to yes men, ass kissers, betas, providers.
2.- You will polarize women, especially the ones in the maybe, yellow, neutral to make a decision fast about you and specially when it comes to sex.
3.- You will become really popular really fast.
4.- You come across as passionate, exciting, interesting, different.
5.- A lot of women will get turn on by you being polarizing (most bad boy naturals are very polarizing, comes across as you do not give a fuck of what other people think of you).
6.- Some people will appreciate your honesty and you will gain their respect fast, specially bosses, clients and women which in turn will make them TRUST YOU (bingo see where i am getting).
I may think of some more as they come to my head, so may edit later.
Disadvantages:
1.- It could cost you friendships, relationships, jobs, getting banned and people will not like you right of the gate. But the twist is after a while they may convert, and they usually do, and they will befriend you after they hated you. However, this disadvantage usually happens with mainly with people that are not CALIBRATED ENOUGH.
2.- You may come across as highly emotional, dramatic, troll in some cases. Again this can be avoided with calibration, common sense and good people skills.
3.- Some people may over do it and/or use as a technique/persona.
4.- If you do not have enough experience you may come across as a fucking ASSHOLE, in a bad way, and is not attractive. So there is a learning calibration curve.
5.- Some people may avoid getting into discussions with you or get shady with you cause they do not want to deal with your polarizing persona.
6.- Some people may mistakenly label polarization as needy, dramatic, highly sensitive.
Key points:
· You have to have a strong belief in your principles, ideas, philosophy etc…
· You can not be afraid to lose your job, girl, friendship, popularity, getting banned etc… Remember in seduction for example “To get a girl you must be willing to lose a girl”.
· You have to be calibrated to people feelings, is ok to be wrong and apologize, it is ok to be sensitive if you think you are crossing the line. Ex. If in facebook they are talking about a beautiful wedding that a friend of you had. You are not gonna jump in and say marriage does not work blah blah, you are an asshole and an idiot, in this situation. Being polarizing is not a license to be an imbecile.
· polarization and vulnerability go hand in hand, so if you get a girl a friend a client etc… They will be the real deal, cause they are establishing a relationship with the TRUE YOU, which is why is so powerful and attractive in itself.
· Encourage women and friends to be blunt, vulnerable and polarizing with you.
Some samples of polarization in the forum:
Blackdragon owns a polygamy forum, most of the guys here are probably his followers, most guys here are poly. He is talking about marriage does not work for many reasons. Here comes Money Matteo, risking looking bad in a forum full of poly people, risking maybe getting banned, risking looking beta or soft. And say, “dude marriage works for me, here is why”. Now he is not saying that as a “technique”. That is really his life he is married and he believes in mono. Get me? that is a sample of polarization and vulnerability.(true story)
Some samples of polarization in my relationship:
my gilfriend: “i want to get married, i want kids, i want you to stop clubbing, i want you to be a baptist.”
me: i respect that and i love you and want to be with you, but i don’t want kids, i don’t want to get married, and i am going clubbing whenever i feel like. That was not the real convo but it was the sub-communication, I don’t have time to got through the whole history but lets say that at the end, she changed her mind about EVERYTHING, and i made her become polarizing herself, which has helped her tremendously in her life. (true story)
Some sample of polarization at work:
Everybody kissing boss ass in company xyz. I had a strong feeling of things that were wrong in the company, and how to improve the sells. Everybody and their mother knew that, but they were to scare of going to the boss and talk to him about it, cause they were yes people afraid to lose the job. In a meeting i raise my hand and brought up everything that was in everybody’s mind, and what needed to be done. They implemented my strategies, and i made him and everybody more money. After, he offer me to be the manager of the sells team. (true story).
Some examples in polarization dating This is a sample reflecting numerous situations i have been in, these are re-enactments:
Hot Girl: how about we get to know each other, lets go out to dinner.
me: Sorry i don’t do dinners, is what everybody else does, you order food, she orders a salad and say”i am watching my weight” takes 2 bites and I am stuck with the bill, for me is boring. How about we do something fun like renting a movie, or dancing, I hate dinners.
^ that is not a technique is how i actually feel…
Hot Girl: I am not that type of girl i like to get to know somebody blah blah.
me: there are many ways to get to know somebody it does not have to be dinner, actually people when they do dinner or traditional dating are fake versions of themselves and on their best behavior, you do not know what you got till 6 months to a year in the relationship. How about we rent a movie and i give you a massage and we get to know each other, i will answer whatever you want, you will see you are gonna have a blast vs. a boring ass dinner.
or this one is common too:
Hot Girl: I don’t have sex, you don’t even know me.
me: I do, your name is Sussan, you have 2 kids, mike and steve, they are 14 and 8. You love tennis, you are a nurse, working 2 shifts, you moved 3 months ago here from maine, your ex is an asshole, you are leo, and you have a crush on skills.
Hot Girl: wowow, i am impress you remember all that, you pay attention.
me: yes cause i like you and you like me too, But you are scare that if you fuck me too fast i am just gonna use you and believe you are not gf material. However, what you do not understand is that sex is not big deal to me, for me to have to have sex with someone i have to like them as who they are, i can have sex with anybody i want when i want. I don’t want to get to know you like you and 3 months from now have sex with you and then hate the sex and dump your ass. Having sex with you now on in 2 years do not make a difference and i will not judge you blah blah(teevester/td secret societyspeech), tired of typing . Done! i fuck them right away.
^ this is a very common scenarios of women I have been with sexually.
Polarization in friendships: many examples but you guys already get the point.
I want you to field test being polarizing, IT WORKS! but try for yourselves…
Also I used to do foreclosure defense and i had lawyers working for me, in law is CRUSIAL to prove cases beyond reasonable doubt is not she said he said or vague arguments... (but this is not what this post is about, is just
Since they are not locking this post, instead of making a new post i am going to write here and relate to seduction (this will also serve as a way for Velasco to save face and recognize his mistakes), it will serve as an understanding for more or less what happens with velasco.... A month ago i had one incident with Velasco (he was saying trump election was stolen and came at me with ridiculous evidence from twitter), he also was going at me with the corona stuff, me and razor jack could not convince him that red could be flips as well.... I noticed that his problem is that he has a "forum distortion" in which is hard for him to change styles of posting delivery vs keeping different styles of posting, i used to write somewhat like him in mpua forum, is more of a polarizing, busting balls type of style (this does not sit well with some posters, specially the more European/asian/intellectual/sophisticated ones), but i never broke the rules there (well one time a dude copy a post plagiarizing my book that got me pissed as fuck, and i got banned for a week, but you guys can understand how pissed i was), but i digress.... I also did this style in nextasf at times, but once i saw the copycats doing it all uncalibrated, i started to change styles, when i came to this site (though people want to mislead otherwise with 0 proof i totally abandoned this style due to calibration to the chase crowd, though people porpusly are trying to misslead otherwise with 0 evidence)
This style of posting is more common in sites like a rip Puaha#$%$te, bodybulding misers, lookism etc.. Where they use words like: "Boyo", "is over"," just lol" "let me fix that for you" is a different type of style "fun" "busting balls" it could be interpret the wrong way, though Aaron sleazy posted like this and was similar cause he also frequent different communities.... I still do that at times for example yesterday i did that in zacadams journal (but is all in good fun zac)... now the problem is some people may interpret this style the wrong way and get annoyed by it (european/asian culture in my opinion do not have the American frat boy style and could take that type of style the wrong way)... Some latin cultures are also famous and good at ball busting.
About the incident with the police he fucked a girl on top of a police car (he did not get arrested for jumping in a police car) he had the same exact incident that chase i believe had mixing with vodka and redbull....
So, i want to tie this post and make it relatable to seduction and polarization, couple of years back i brought up the point on how polarization is very effective if done right when it comes to seduction, charisma etc... That was pre donald trump election and him running for office.... I followed up with another post (nextasf is gone but it was there) were i show why he won and it was effective.... Then after my fight with velasco, he inspired me A MONTH AGO, with an idea and i made a video... What is funny is that in the video i mentioned him and the problems he may have with his behavior.... AS ALWAYS, skills was right, though regrettably he got banned....
So here guys i am going to explain how polirization ties to charisma, seduction, and the rise and fall of polarizing figures such as velasco and Donald trump (keep in mind i wrote this post and made the video were by coincidence i talk about velasco a month ago and mentioned his problems in the forum with members so please listen to it)....
polarity role in seduction:
Lately i have been thinking a lot about polarity and seduction since is not a topic that is covered much, but i believe is super important. I have hooked up with many women by being polarizing; But anyways, I want to talk about the topic and how powerful it is in seduction, to keep relationships, work and life in general.
What is polarization:
Polarity: the state of having two opposite or contradictory tendencies, opinions, or aspects.
“the polarity between male and female”
For me polarization is displaying your raw self even if is not popular, is different and you are taking many risks including losing your prospects, your job, your friendships, your girl,looking bad etc…. Polarization will help you convert many women, lose a lot of women( not really), and make neutral women make a decision about you. However, just like vulnerability is not to be used as a TECHNIQUE. It has to be part of who you are.
Some popular polarizing figures like them or not are: Donald Trump, Howard Stern, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Really, Whoopi Golbert, Bill Maher, Russell Brand.
Some polarizing figures in the Community: Me, Jws, slyone, Mark Manson, Stelar, Good Looking Loser,Aaron Sleazy,Steve Jabba, Blackdragon, Mode One, NWP, Teevester, Gun,$matteo, most rsd instructors specially Julian, jeffy and Tyler Durden.
The advantages of polarization are:
1.- You will come across blunt/raw different which in most cases is attractive. Specially with women and bosses that are used to yes men, ass kissers, betas, providers.
2.- You will polarize women, especially the ones in the maybe, yellow, neutral to make a decision fast about you and specially when it comes to sex.
3.- You will become really popular really fast.
4.- You come across as passionate, exciting, interesting, different.
5.- A lot of women will get turn on by you being polarizing (most bad boy naturals are very polarizing, comes across as you do not give a fuck of what other people think of you).
6.- Some people will appreciate your honesty and you will gain their respect fast, specially bosses, clients and women which in turn will make them TRUST YOU (bingo see where i am getting).
I may think of some more as they come to my head, so may edit later.
Disadvantages:
1.- It could cost you friendships, relationships, jobs, getting banned and people will not like you right of the gate. But the twist is after a while they may convert, and they usually do, and they will befriend you after they hated you. However, this disadvantage usually happens with mainly with people that are not CALIBRATED ENOUGH.
2.- You may come across as highly emotional, dramatic, troll in some cases. Again this can be avoided with calibration, common sense and good people skills.
3.- Some people may over do it and/or use as a technique/persona.
4.- If you do not have enough experience you may come across as a fucking ASSHOLE, in a bad way, and is not attractive. So there is a learning calibration curve.
5.- Some people may avoid getting into discussions with you or get shady with you cause they do not want to deal with your polarizing persona.
6.- Some people may mistakenly label polarization as needy, dramatic, highly sensitive.
Key points:
· You have to have a strong belief in your principles, ideas, philosophy etc…
· You can not be afraid to lose your job, girl, friendship, popularity, getting banned etc… Remember in seduction for example “To get a girl you must be willing to lose a girl”.
· You have to be calibrated to people feelings, is ok to be wrong and apologize, it is ok to be sensitive if you think you are crossing the line. Ex. If in facebook they are talking about a beautiful wedding that a friend of you had. You are not gonna jump in and say marriage does not work blah blah, you are an asshole and an idiot, in this situation. Being polarizing is not a license to be an imbecile.
· polarization and vulnerability go hand in hand, so if you get a girl a friend a client etc… They will be the real deal, cause they are establishing a relationship with the TRUE YOU, which is why is so powerful and attractive in itself.
· Encourage women and friends to be blunt, vulnerable and polarizing with you.
Some samples of polarization in the forum:
Blackdragon owns a polygamy forum, most of the guys here are probably his followers, most guys here are poly. He is talking about marriage does not work for many reasons. Here comes Money Matteo, risking looking bad in a forum full of poly people, risking maybe getting banned, risking looking beta or soft. And say, “dude marriage works for me, here is why”. Now he is not saying that as a “technique”. That is really his life he is married and he believes in mono. Get me? that is a sample of polarization and vulnerability.(true story)
Some samples of polarization in my relationship:
my gilfriend: “i want to get married, i want kids, i want you to stop clubbing, i want you to be a baptist.”
me: i respect that and i love you and want to be with you, but i don’t want kids, i don’t want to get married, and i am going clubbing whenever i feel like. That was not the real convo but it was the sub-communication, I don’t have time to got through the whole history but lets say that at the end, she changed her mind about EVERYTHING, and i made her become polarizing herself, which has helped her tremendously in her life. (true story)
Some sample of polarization at work:
Everybody kissing boss ass in company xyz. I had a strong feeling of things that were wrong in the company, and how to improve the sells. Everybody and their mother knew that, but they were to scare of going to the boss and talk to him about it, cause they were yes people afraid to lose the job. In a meeting i raise my hand and brought up everything that was in everybody’s mind, and what needed to be done. They implemented my strategies, and i made him and everybody more money. After, he offer me to be the manager of the sells team. (true story).
Some examples in polarization dating This is a sample reflecting numerous situations i have been in, these are re-enactments:
Hot Girl: how about we get to know each other, lets go out to dinner.
me: Sorry i don’t do dinners, is what everybody else does, you order food, she orders a salad and say”i am watching my weight” takes 2 bites and I am stuck with the bill, for me is boring. How about we do something fun like renting a movie, or dancing, I hate dinners.
^ that is not a technique is how i actually feel…
Hot Girl: I am not that type of girl i like to get to know somebody blah blah.
me: there are many ways to get to know somebody it does not have to be dinner, actually people when they do dinner or traditional dating are fake versions of themselves and on their best behavior, you do not know what you got till 6 months to a year in the relationship. How about we rent a movie and i give you a massage and we get to know each other, i will answer whatever you want, you will see you are gonna have a blast vs. a boring ass dinner.
or this one is common too:
Hot Girl: I don’t have sex, you don’t even know me.
me: I do, your name is Sussan, you have 2 kids, mike and steve, they are 14 and 8. You love tennis, you are a nurse, working 2 shifts, you moved 3 months ago here from maine, your ex is an asshole, you are leo, and you have a crush on skills.
Hot Girl: wowow, i am impress you remember all that, you pay attention.
me: yes cause i like you and you like me too, But you are scare that if you fuck me too fast i am just gonna use you and believe you are not gf material. However, what you do not understand is that sex is not big deal to me, for me to have to have sex with someone i have to like them as who they are, i can have sex with anybody i want when i want. I don’t want to get to know you like you and 3 months from now have sex with you and then hate the sex and dump your ass. Having sex with you now on in 2 years do not make a difference and i will not judge you blah blah(teevester/td secret societyspeech), tired of typing . Done! i fuck them right away.
^ this is a very common scenarios of women I have been with sexually.
Polarization in friendships: many examples but you guys already get the point.
I want you to field test being polarizing, IT WORKS! but try for yourselves…
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I consider Velasco a seduction community friend.
He’s been a part of my journey from the very beginning. Like I’ve written before, I didn’t expect any responses in my journal. Those very first few red alerts in the upper-right-hand corner of the webpage made profound impacts on me. Not because I cared about any “points.”
What it told me was that I wasn’t alone. Because when I went out that very first night, that’s how it felt. I vividly remember walking down that street in my green sneakers feeling rather dazed about what I was doing, and what I should be doing. And I vividly remember that first approach. That terrible moving opener. But also how she giggled. Put her hands on my chest. The rush of it all.
But during that approach, I could sense that there were was A LOT missing.
Velasco was among the first to help me fill these holes. After this, I haven’t felt alone since. It’s always felt like I’ve had the community there with me.
So thanks, Velasco.
I thought that Velasco was giving back. Helping me out because he knew what it was like to be where I was. Giving words to avoid unnecessary pitfalls. Bridging the gap for a novice.
And I still KNOW, FOR A FACT, that he was trying to help me. And he did just that. Many times.
But recently, I almost feel as if he was also using me as a vessel for conflict instigation by intentionally misinterpreting cherry-picked excerpts from my journal. Truthfully, it was disheartening to read coming from him.
Plus, if he was solely trying to help me all this time, then why was he aggressively disputing others who were also trying to do the same?
The advanced members who Velasco was vindictively challenging have never led me astray. In fact, everything they’ve suggested has led to gigantic leaps in my seduction progress. This has been proven time and time again with my own experience in-field.
It’s clear that he has a bone-to-pick with certain seducers, even though these rivalries are pretty much one-sided constructs. Then he dragged me into it recently, and while before it was largely none of my business, it suddenly became quite the unwelcome development.
Maybe what’s most frustrating is that in Velasco’s strive for recognition, trying to incessantly pick fights with the most elite seducers in the game is exactly the opposite of what he should have been doing. He could have tested what they told him and analyzed the results, then innovated further.
Now, I know that Velasco is a pretty darn good seducer. However, I also know that he has a lot of room for improvement because as of late, he has been discussing these issues himself. The significance of his AA that he has detailed in recent posts and chat messages even led me to wonder how someone who claims 120+ lays cannot approach a 9 unless drunk or “in-state,” as he confessed last week in the chat… is this a possible dynamic? Maybe?
I’m not sure.
Or how someone seeking to resolve these fundamental issues can repeatedly antagonize those whose words are seeped with wisdom and experience?
Velasco has left without providing answers to these questions. I hope that he can one day return to the forum with a peaceful, refreshed mindset. In the meantime, his absence will be a sad loss for many of his friends around the forum.
This is my personal viewpoint of things. It’s a potent reminder of the purpose of this forum intended for respectful learning and discussion.
Very unfortunately, it seems that Velasco was gravitating in the wrong direction. Although, this does not discount the contributions that he did make, and I think that everyone he helped will be able to recognize this truth. Nor will it discount the many good times we had in the chat.
I just think that it means that Velasco will end up much better than he was before.
As for Dreamer.
This is another member who provided me support from my first few approaches.
While Dreamer only had a few posts, he had thousands of chat comments. He was among the most active users in the chat. For anyone who isn’t active in the chat, here’s the lowdown on him.
Dreamer first joined the chat in late August, right around when I was getting started. Quickly, he developed a friendly presence with the other members. It is no coincidence that plenty of the chat regulars are surprised at his connection with IRT.
This is because while these IRT iterations - most of them far before my time - seemed negative and whiny… Dreamer was not. He was constantly quirkily joking around with guys like Velasco, fog, Train, DarkKnight, and the rest of the regulars. Moreover, he seemed to display a solid knowledge of seduction concepts and was always chomping-at-the-bit to offer old-school advice stemming from his supposed experience with the Mystery Method.
Dreamer was rather mysterious himself. Piecing together what he said in the chat, he was a 40+ medical student living in Poland by way of both Canada and Pakistan.
He noted that after having little success with women throughout his twenties, he told me that he studied Mystery Method along with the materials of other seducers such as Karea, Razorjack, Captain Jack, and his favorite, in10se, among others.
Dreamer recommended me helpful old-school materials – like in10se’s Secret Principles of Pleasure - and while I cannot speak to his understanding of old-school game as I know very little about it, he DID appear to understand these things at a foundational level. Anyone in the chat can confirm this, probably even Gunwitch.
Plus, he was always positive. Though, he did occasionally slip into what seemed like uncharacteristic complaints about Spanish girls. He told us multiple times that Spanish women seemed inaccessible for foreigners, and how he wasn’t fond towards the gaming styles of Turkish men. This probably should have been the warning sign.
But he did also speak to how he would have success in Poland. How the local men didn’t know how to game, either, and he could take advantage of this.
In the fall, when I was approaching a lot on the nighttime streets, Dreamer said he was out approaching, too. He would describe, in extensive detail, these marathon outings where he would stay at these Polish bars until close. And while he was confident, analytical, and reflective, not once did he claim a lay.
He was also demonstrably respectful to authority. Overly respectful, even. He liked the posts of pretty much every Tribal Elder and never created any conflict in the chat or in a thread. I think he especially liked Skills because of his friendship with Velasco that was developed in the chat.
Moreover, he displayed detailed knowledge regarding things like skincare and hair care, helping multiple people in these areas.
But then this post that Lover mentioned in the chat… why’d you like this, Dreamer, if you weren’t connected to the IRT? Why would you do that?
And where did you come from, Dreamer? How did you immediately know so much about these Tribal Elders – from Razorjack to Teevster – while saying that you weren’t on any of the older forums? It took me months to even get a sense of how things worked around here.
Furthermore, this post that Chase linked, pretty much parroting what Dreamer told us in the chat just in more aggressive terms… and the same join date as another IRT troll. It's either an uncanny coincidence or the icing on the cake.
It’s perplexing because the truth is that Dreamer’s contributions here themselves were not trollish. He was a positive presence for the forum chat, much more so than other members who are literally trolls and still around. This is the truth from someone who has been here since his first appearance.
Oh, and trust me. I am well aware that these comments will result in plenty of searches in the search bar. And oh, I am well aware that you will find plenty of results about college, fraternities, sororities, the South, and the like from good ol’ Lofty, not to mention that in one of my first posts, I accused Sub-Zero of being the IRT troll because he was annoyingly race whining. He may have continued doing so, but I put him on Ignore, so I’m not sure.
You will find these similarities because I am a college student in the American South. And I made that short-sighted post about Sub-Zero because I couldn’t understand why people would race whine when there are seducers of EVERY RACE, ON THIS FORUM, having success with women. All the resources to get good, well, they’re right here, too.
Plus, I gave recent words to IRT (Nicko Version) and IRT (Beam Version). Even KJed when IRT (Beam Version) asked me a question, although I did premise that. And I even supported Dreamer in a post to Nicko, getting all looped into an elaborate web of IRT babbles. Guess I wasted my time. Then again, maybe these posts will at least help someone else in the future.
So think what you want. Personally, well, I think that would be quite the low-resolution perspective.
Ah, gullible, innocent Lofty. Still so much to learn.
I remember things, though. Anyone who has followed my journey knows that I’m not the type to forget those who helped me. Maybe I care too much about this. But it is important to me to the extent that I need to say it.
Both Velasco and Dreamer helped me. So it’s only proper to recognize the support these two members gave me as they depart for extremely sad but extremely justifiable reasons.
He’s been a part of my journey from the very beginning. Like I’ve written before, I didn’t expect any responses in my journal. Those very first few red alerts in the upper-right-hand corner of the webpage made profound impacts on me. Not because I cared about any “points.”
What it told me was that I wasn’t alone. Because when I went out that very first night, that’s how it felt. I vividly remember walking down that street in my green sneakers feeling rather dazed about what I was doing, and what I should be doing. And I vividly remember that first approach. That terrible moving opener. But also how she giggled. Put her hands on my chest. The rush of it all.
But during that approach, I could sense that there were was A LOT missing.
Velasco was among the first to help me fill these holes. After this, I haven’t felt alone since. It’s always felt like I’ve had the community there with me.
So thanks, Velasco.
I thought that Velasco was giving back. Helping me out because he knew what it was like to be where I was. Giving words to avoid unnecessary pitfalls. Bridging the gap for a novice.
And I still KNOW, FOR A FACT, that he was trying to help me. And he did just that. Many times.
But recently, I almost feel as if he was also using me as a vessel for conflict instigation by intentionally misinterpreting cherry-picked excerpts from my journal. Truthfully, it was disheartening to read coming from him.
Plus, if he was solely trying to help me all this time, then why was he aggressively disputing others who were also trying to do the same?
The advanced members who Velasco was vindictively challenging have never led me astray. In fact, everything they’ve suggested has led to gigantic leaps in my seduction progress. This has been proven time and time again with my own experience in-field.
It’s clear that he has a bone-to-pick with certain seducers, even though these rivalries are pretty much one-sided constructs. Then he dragged me into it recently, and while before it was largely none of my business, it suddenly became quite the unwelcome development.
Maybe what’s most frustrating is that in Velasco’s strive for recognition, trying to incessantly pick fights with the most elite seducers in the game is exactly the opposite of what he should have been doing. He could have tested what they told him and analyzed the results, then innovated further.
Now, I know that Velasco is a pretty darn good seducer. However, I also know that he has a lot of room for improvement because as of late, he has been discussing these issues himself. The significance of his AA that he has detailed in recent posts and chat messages even led me to wonder how someone who claims 120+ lays cannot approach a 9 unless drunk or “in-state,” as he confessed last week in the chat… is this a possible dynamic? Maybe?
I’m not sure.
Or how someone seeking to resolve these fundamental issues can repeatedly antagonize those whose words are seeped with wisdom and experience?
Velasco has left without providing answers to these questions. I hope that he can one day return to the forum with a peaceful, refreshed mindset. In the meantime, his absence will be a sad loss for many of his friends around the forum.
This is my personal viewpoint of things. It’s a potent reminder of the purpose of this forum intended for respectful learning and discussion.
Very unfortunately, it seems that Velasco was gravitating in the wrong direction. Although, this does not discount the contributions that he did make, and I think that everyone he helped will be able to recognize this truth. Nor will it discount the many good times we had in the chat.
I just think that it means that Velasco will end up much better than he was before.
As for Dreamer.
This is another member who provided me support from my first few approaches.
While Dreamer only had a few posts, he had thousands of chat comments. He was among the most active users in the chat. For anyone who isn’t active in the chat, here’s the lowdown on him.
Dreamer first joined the chat in late August, right around when I was getting started. Quickly, he developed a friendly presence with the other members. It is no coincidence that plenty of the chat regulars are surprised at his connection with IRT.
This is because while these IRT iterations - most of them far before my time - seemed negative and whiny… Dreamer was not. He was constantly quirkily joking around with guys like Velasco, fog, Train, DarkKnight, and the rest of the regulars. Moreover, he seemed to display a solid knowledge of seduction concepts and was always chomping-at-the-bit to offer old-school advice stemming from his supposed experience with the Mystery Method.
Dreamer was rather mysterious himself. Piecing together what he said in the chat, he was a 40+ medical student living in Poland by way of both Canada and Pakistan.
He noted that after having little success with women throughout his twenties, he told me that he studied Mystery Method along with the materials of other seducers such as Karea, Razorjack, Captain Jack, and his favorite, in10se, among others.
Dreamer recommended me helpful old-school materials – like in10se’s Secret Principles of Pleasure - and while I cannot speak to his understanding of old-school game as I know very little about it, he DID appear to understand these things at a foundational level. Anyone in the chat can confirm this, probably even Gunwitch.
Plus, he was always positive. Though, he did occasionally slip into what seemed like uncharacteristic complaints about Spanish girls. He told us multiple times that Spanish women seemed inaccessible for foreigners, and how he wasn’t fond towards the gaming styles of Turkish men. This probably should have been the warning sign.
But he did also speak to how he would have success in Poland. How the local men didn’t know how to game, either, and he could take advantage of this.
In the fall, when I was approaching a lot on the nighttime streets, Dreamer said he was out approaching, too. He would describe, in extensive detail, these marathon outings where he would stay at these Polish bars until close. And while he was confident, analytical, and reflective, not once did he claim a lay.
He was also demonstrably respectful to authority. Overly respectful, even. He liked the posts of pretty much every Tribal Elder and never created any conflict in the chat or in a thread. I think he especially liked Skills because of his friendship with Velasco that was developed in the chat.
Moreover, he displayed detailed knowledge regarding things like skincare and hair care, helping multiple people in these areas.
But then this post that Lover mentioned in the chat… why’d you like this, Dreamer, if you weren’t connected to the IRT? Why would you do that?
And where did you come from, Dreamer? How did you immediately know so much about these Tribal Elders – from Razorjack to Teevster – while saying that you weren’t on any of the older forums? It took me months to even get a sense of how things worked around here.
Furthermore, this post that Chase linked, pretty much parroting what Dreamer told us in the chat just in more aggressive terms… and the same join date as another IRT troll. It's either an uncanny coincidence or the icing on the cake.
It’s perplexing because the truth is that Dreamer’s contributions here themselves were not trollish. He was a positive presence for the forum chat, much more so than other members who are literally trolls and still around. This is the truth from someone who has been here since his first appearance.
Oh, and trust me. I am well aware that these comments will result in plenty of searches in the search bar. And oh, I am well aware that you will find plenty of results about college, fraternities, sororities, the South, and the like from good ol’ Lofty, not to mention that in one of my first posts, I accused Sub-Zero of being the IRT troll because he was annoyingly race whining. He may have continued doing so, but I put him on Ignore, so I’m not sure.
You will find these similarities because I am a college student in the American South. And I made that short-sighted post about Sub-Zero because I couldn’t understand why people would race whine when there are seducers of EVERY RACE, ON THIS FORUM, having success with women. All the resources to get good, well, they’re right here, too.
Plus, I gave recent words to IRT (Nicko Version) and IRT (Beam Version). Even KJed when IRT (Beam Version) asked me a question, although I did premise that. And I even supported Dreamer in a post to Nicko, getting all looped into an elaborate web of IRT babbles. Guess I wasted my time. Then again, maybe these posts will at least help someone else in the future.
So think what you want. Personally, well, I think that would be quite the low-resolution perspective.
Ah, gullible, innocent Lofty. Still so much to learn.
I remember things, though. Anyone who has followed my journey knows that I’m not the type to forget those who helped me. Maybe I care too much about this. But it is important to me to the extent that I need to say it.
Both Velasco and Dreamer helped me. So it’s only proper to recognize the support these two members gave me as they depart for extremely sad but extremely justifiable reasons.
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i interpret wrongly, definitely.
Girlschase is literally a cooking pot of the West, Europe, Latin, Asia, Australia, India, Middle East.
One of your post literally change my opinion of you and my thoughts was "this guy definitely doesn't look the way he write things. He definitely got better things to do."
@Chase ,it will be a good insight into compiling different styles of ball busting/banter (in england sky sports language) from all over the world, into an article.
I know i will be keen to read an article on banter fundamantals and dynamics.
Sidenote: Filipinos banter are very brutal too. Brown people (Javanese, Malays, etc. (Malaysia, Singapore) banter is very very passive aggressive. It is toxic, but it is considered "normal".
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In dance, when i was active: i always emphasize to my students at that time: Practice. Practice. Practice.
In exercising, it is still the same thing. Warmups, Cooing down.
Pickup is not different. But the occasional brushing up your basics like fundamentals, conversation, mannerisms, framing, approach anxiety, do suck. It sucks man.
It really sucks. Online dating and needing to adjust your profile, it sucks.
We have to emphasize each other to not see things as end result but process. Because it really sucks if you look at it like you already made it. "Made it" is just the after of what you put in.
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Lol, bro! can you please ask him to write an LR for that? How the heck did he manage to do that! Despite the consequence, that’s some pretty player shit imo. Nice tie in btw, it’s a nice illustration how the same thing that got him in trouble is the same thing that gets him laid
It's a great story I bet. Anyway I enjoyed reading Velasco stuff and his timely memes and videos etc. that captured the message he wanted to convey. I thought he was a net good but I also stand with the mods and elders. SS comes first.
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on top of the police car, sorry i will edit...
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He trolled using multiple accounts, including posing as a beginner, a black guy, an asian guy, a german guy... that's like IRT level of trolling. Just saying. And BigPapa needs no introduction.
Ok, just because one has a trollish personality, does not give one a carte blanche to troll here.
Secondly, you talk about trolling in a calibrated way - no there is no such a thing. As a matter of fact, your behaviour at times borderline trollish and you know it. You rationalize it with it being your personality, and I surely hope it isn't. But it may be. Nevertheless, it does not apology such behaviour.
You then talk about "what works with women". And yeah cocky behaviour and maybe "trollish" (you call it polarizing, and yes TROLLS are always polarizing, but polarizing people are not always troll!) can work with women. I personally do not use such techniques, but I won't deny its efficiency.
However there is a difference between how one interacts here, and how one interacts in field. There is also a difference on how one talks with men, and with women.
That is calibration.
And you my friend, are not calibrated.
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I wanted to add my 5 cents about Velasco.
I regard Velasco as a net positive to the boards. In the chat he has been very helpful with keen insight, turning complicated towards simple and practical. I truly find it a shame that he has been banned. At times he has been a great help towards me as well with very PRACTICAL advice and pointers.
That being said I do have to agree with the incessant antagonizing on which I have had to call him out a multitude of times publicly and when it became a pattern I even had to add that I knew he would make jabs/nitpick attempts soon again in the future despite strategic withdrawal in the moment. The last incident again was 2 days or so before the ban, in which I had to call him out ,again, but I was a bit tired to turn it into a full blown argument. Multiple swings, or what I have perceived as swings were done on my person and I have had ignored/shrugged off at least 2 of them. At one point it just becomes unnecessary. The next day he was cool Velasco again (the Velasco that we love), but unfortunately such events tend to stick and you just become wary of repeating incidents..
He is persistent with this behavior and I believe he has dug his own grave. I do not believe this was just trollish behavior by the way, but rather wanting to be a leader. Which I ironically believe he was ALREADY becoming due to his superior knowledge of game. I am not sure if he could really control this, instead of trollish behavior I would rather call it compulsive, repeating in pattern. Something we are all guilty of in one way or the other. I am probably super guilty of compulsiveness as well.
Again, I do believe it is a shame and I still believe that Velasco is a net positive. If he would not be involved with the infighting/antagonizing I am very sure he would be a highly esteemed member. This has been his one big drawback.
I would like Velasco to join the boards again in the future.. maybe a short time out is in order, but I let the mods judge about that.
I regard Velasco as a net positive to the boards. In the chat he has been very helpful with keen insight, turning complicated towards simple and practical. I truly find it a shame that he has been banned. At times he has been a great help towards me as well with very PRACTICAL advice and pointers.
That being said I do have to agree with the incessant antagonizing on which I have had to call him out a multitude of times publicly and when it became a pattern I even had to add that I knew he would make jabs/nitpick attempts soon again in the future despite strategic withdrawal in the moment. The last incident again was 2 days or so before the ban, in which I had to call him out ,again, but I was a bit tired to turn it into a full blown argument. Multiple swings, or what I have perceived as swings were done on my person and I have had ignored/shrugged off at least 2 of them. At one point it just becomes unnecessary. The next day he was cool Velasco again (the Velasco that we love), but unfortunately such events tend to stick and you just become wary of repeating incidents..
He is persistent with this behavior and I believe he has dug his own grave. I do not believe this was just trollish behavior by the way, but rather wanting to be a leader. Which I ironically believe he was ALREADY becoming due to his superior knowledge of game. I am not sure if he could really control this, instead of trollish behavior I would rather call it compulsive, repeating in pattern. Something we are all guilty of in one way or the other. I am probably super guilty of compulsiveness as well.
Again, I do believe it is a shame and I still believe that Velasco is a net positive. If he would not be involved with the infighting/antagonizing I am very sure he would be a highly esteemed member. This has been his one big drawback.
I would like Velasco to join the boards again in the future.. maybe a short time out is in order, but I let the mods judge about that.
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^ but you are, right, you got banned from masf(permanent), nextasf(permanent), mpuaforum (chat temporarily)... 3 different mod groups vs skills big 0, permanent(once temporarily as i explained the why), though i heard you guys trying everything in your power to so(though i have not break any rules).... cool! facts are facts with all due respect... that was uncalibrated by the way, i am trying to bring seduction perspective and help former member save face you come at me the jab.
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* mASF: I was under 18. I am now 28, things change. You are over 40. That's a major difference. Secondly, the mASF event was a nasty one, partly because.... I was under 18, and most girls in my LR's were under 18 (so everything on my end was legal). One girl (or parent) found out she was "the girl" in the LR, and made tons of trouble. Formhandle did not believe me, and things got nasty. I was also pretty bad on my end to communicate what really happened to him - partly for struggling with English back then.
* NextASF: That was blackdragon desiring to get rid of me. Don't get me started here. We all know blackdragon had an issue with me. I am not going to open up old sores. Nevertheless, his pretext for banning me was constructed on a lie - namely that young me, being 22 was going to sue him. The guy was and is still delusional.
* Mpuaforum Chat: That ban was retconned a day after based on misjudgment from a mod. I even got apologies from the management.
The reason you never got banned was partly thanks to me. Just for the same reasons, Velasco was not banned after the razorjack incident. I vetoed (when I was a mod) bans on both occasions. I will not step up (for either of you) again.
Perhaps don't try to bite off the hand that saved your ass.
Best,
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What part of the rules am i violating, can you show me, the last post, there was an argument on "dan balzirian" this type of game is done by one my wings in a light manner, it says it can not be replicated this is not so (i explain that during corona that type of private party game is effective), i did a video explaining so... The second was me contrasting red pill myths vs seduction.... Chase came out with a post breaking down what i was trying to accomplish, and finally in this one i was asking since (posters pming) about velasco...
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I am not a mod, and hence I am not going to tell you which rules you broke, as this would make me go beyond my pure admin role, which has no policing mandate.
But I can list a few:
- Contrarian trolling
- Trying to stir up and disrespecting moderators, including when carousel was a mod. You were spilling wrong information and defamations based on BS.
- Conspiring with known trolls (like naturalmikey) - this alone should result in a perm ban in my opinion. Sadly, this info was revealed after my time as a mod.
- List goes on.
(this is not a warning, nor is this an official moderator message).
Best,
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^ this is all not true at all.. This is what we are going to do, i will save you the trouble, i am out! I am not the type in places were i am not welcome... no hard feelings!
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