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razir110

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Guys what would you consider to be a success rate?

By that I mean say :"approach 10 girls, get 5 working number, get 3 dates, get laid 1" so 1 out of 10.

The reason for the question is, perhaps some of us are too tough on ourselves, we imagine that someone good with women has like a 90% success rate, approach virtually any girl and take her to bed, but perhaps even the best of us fail quite a lot when it comes to "statistics"

What is your opinion on this?
 

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razir110,

ALL PUAS or people will hate me on this and think i am masturbating to myself and a fucking retard but fuck it. I have been researching and noting this for awhile now.

Cold metrics: 1 out of every 50 to 100+

Warm metrics: 25% success rate out of every sniper target due to misread, instant date was not available, life intervenes, etc

Hot metrics or Social Circles or places where you are under someone social circle or social circle: A matter of timing and looking native in the stream of friends, because the likelihood is always high.

So yea, I just say it as it is. Please do not think this is black and white but this is as honest and telling it as it is, as it gets.

Zac
 

razir110

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Thank you for your reply Zac!

Wow 1 in 50? So this is like the normal cold-approach rate? Hum makes me wonder, so what about the image of the guy that seems to get every girl he talks to?
Is it even possible? Or it's just an image people have that is not possible to exist in practice?
 

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razir11o,

razir110 said:
So this is like the normal cold-approach rate?

Yes but we all suck and sometimes it can reach 100. If you can't get laid or have sex after 125 approaches, something is wrong somewhere.

For me, personally, i need to calculate back but so far, the average i have noted from talking to people, their inflation, blogs, websites, statistics, research on how the world works, finding that middleground and putting in factors like people lying, my flaws, women deviating, that's the average data.

It's so brain breaking when you put all your notes into Onenote Microsoft and just leave it there because you have so many data , often raw data.

razir110 said:
so what about the image of the guy that seems to get every girl he talks to?
razir110 said:
Is it even possible?
razir110 said:
Or it's just an image people have that is not possible to exist in practice?

That's the whole idea, doesn't it? :) In business and with people. To create this perception, except it's very visible to "experts".

Never hate yourself because most people took a 'million years' to get their girlfriends, while she get railed by the football team. If people say that they finally get the girl they want, yes.

So i guess to everyone, the idea to getting that specific girl, is hangout around her and smell when she is getting the urge to get married and sometimes she doesn't.

So in a way, you get her forever, under the illusion of a contract of course. :) That's the whole business. KK i better stop now before i break the brains of people.

Zac
 

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Razir,

I'd say that if you're converting 1 out of 10 girls you approach into sex, then you're doing quite well for yourself. More advanced guys can probably get closer to a "1 out of every 5" ratio, but I would certainly be skeptical of any guy who claims they have a success rate of laying 1 out of every 2 girls (or more).

Keep in mind that if you're just beginning, something as low as 1 out of every 25 or 1 out of every 30-40 is actually a reasonable amount. Until you improve your game, it's hard to see more consistent success... but it comes with time, patience, and experience.

- Franco
 

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Thank you for your reply!

Good to know the "aim" here.

Take care!
 

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Franco,

Even now, after doing it for 2 years (or maybe just one...cause I basically only did online dating for the first year), I still take a lot more than 25-40 approaches to convert to sex (I think. I don't actually count them).

I feel like this probably means I'm consistently doing something wrong. But I wouldn't have really came to that conclusion had I not read this post. I assumed sex in one out of 50-100 girls is normal.

So having said that, do you know of any common mistakes or problems which lead to getting so little success (despite the massive amount of practice and time I've spent on this)?
 

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Franco, I think you should write an article on this! It's important to have a clear benchmark to track your progress.
 
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Franco said:
Razir,

I'd say that if you're converting 1 out of 10 girls you approach into sex, then you're doing quite well for yourself. More advanced guys can probably get closer to a "1 out of every 5" ratio, but I would certainly be skeptical of any guy who claims they have a success rate of laying 1 out of every 2 girls (or more).

Keep in mind that if you're just beginning, something as low as 1 out of every 25 or 1 out of every 30-40 is actually a reasonable amount. Until you improve your game, it's hard to see more consistent success... but it comes with time, patience, and experience.

- Franco
1 out of 5? Complete cold approach? Whoa, long way for me to go yet.
 

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Gentlemen,

There's a lot of variables when it comes to trying to put a "number" on success rate, and not all of it even comes down to how well you are executing. It might even come down to preference.

For example, you might be a guy who has close to zero approach anxiety whatsoever, so you're capable of approaching tons of women regardless of whether or not they've given you approach invitations. If you do this, your "hit" ratio with landing a woman will obviously go down: you're just approaching because you're maximizing your opportunities, but you're not necessarily waiting for good opportunities.

I'm not a mass approach guy myself. I very, very much apply "sniper" style game, and I do so because I'm extremely effective at reading interest from women. I'm very capable of reading a woman's body language and knowing if she's going to be receptive to me or not. Some of that comes from my personal intuition, and the other part of it comes from experience. If you're extremely good at reading interest from a woman before you even approach her, then naturally your "hit" ratio is going to be much, much higher than most guys. However, running sniper-style game might also mean that you're approaching a lot LESS women than the guy who mass approaches. While you both might ending up sleeping with a girl on a given day/night, the guy who's mass approaching might have had 50 approaches while the guy who's "sniping" girls based on approach invitations might only have 5 approaches. So you might ask yourself, "Who performed better that day?" In my opinion, both guys performed equally well. They both got laid that day.

So this is why "numbers" isn't something you should completely rely on to judge how well you're doing. It may just be the case that one guy is very good at reading approach invitations, so while he may not approach very many women, the ones he does approach usually respond warmly because he was able to read that she would be receptive before approaching. On the other hand, there might be a guy who has zero fear of approaching women, so while he maybe doesn't take the time to look for approach invitations, he approaches enough women in a small time period that he eventually gets one to hook.

If you feel like you're in the range of 50-100 approaches before you're able to sleep with a girl, then yeah, that's probably a good indicator that you have areas you can improve upon. Even if you're a "mass approach" type of guy, that number seems quite large to me. As I mentioned earlier, it could also be that you're just starting out and haven't really had enough experience yet to see more consistent results. Until you've gotten a few lays under your belt, then 50-100 approaches might be realistic at the very beginning.

When it comes to finding out where you need to improve, that can only be done by analyzing all of your data and finding where you are getting stuck the most. Are you capable of getting phone numbers often but can't get dates? Are you capable of getting lots of dates but unable to get the girl home? Are you able to get lots of girls home but then unable to get them to sleep with you? Since there are so many areas a guy can easily get stuck (especially if he's new), it's difficult to give a "cure all" answer to these questions. However, Chase does have a good article on helping you get past sticking points.

If you are constantly getting stifled at the same area of a seduction, then try to switch things up -- or come back to this website and search for an article that pertains to your sticking point. See if you can find something that might key you in on a specific area where you might be making mistakes, and then if you find something, go put it into practice.

And in the worst case scenario, if you just keep getting stuck and you aren't sure why, post questions/field reports on the boards so that others here can you help you. =)

- Franco
 

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Thank you for your reply Franco!

Good point on the different approach styles.
 

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@ Franco

Thanks for posting this. I know more experienced guys can be more worried about providing "numbers" because there is such a wide range of variables that comes into play that it can demotivate/send the wrong message to beginners. However, I think those who can't se this in a positive light don't have the correct mindset, so there's no point in stressing over it.

I think it's extremely important for one to have a concrete number to shoot for, for troubleshooting reasons. I don't interpret this information as anything more than "oh, cool, you can actually get to 20% close rate? I would never imagine that." And now I have an attainable goal if I decide to take your stance.

Anyway, I understood from your first message that you took more of an sniper approach to it, similar to what Drexel seems to have. I just don't have the awareness to play that kind of game ;/

I just wanted to make clear that, in my opinion, having numbers it's actually a healthy thing because it keeps me from wondering uselessly. It's motivating ;)
 

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Good reply Franco.

As with everything, it's all relative. You can be the best seducer but if you approach 100 girls that are not interested, your success rate will be minimal, close to zero. Or you can be an average guy but if you approach a girl that is interested in you, your success rate might be 100%.

There are two good factors to consider:

1. Quantity. Simply the more girls you talk to the more you are likely to find some that are interested in you

2. Quality. It's a good practice to approach/talk to ANY girl just for the sake of being social, but as you progress focus more only on girls that are showing some interest in you BEFORE you approach them (looking at you, smiling at you, purposely coming closely to you, then very excited talking to you...)... Those girls who show good interest in you and make conversations easy on you are more likely to sleep with you... Invest more time in them, and cut the others lose as you are just wasting your time...
 

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I think when you don't have experience, just approach girls for the sake of learning.
I had approached ~700 girls in the last 3 months. My first makeout was from near 600th girl. But I got 2 makeouts between the 600th and 700th girls. 1200% increase!!!
Once you get the first success, the rest is easy.
 

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razir110 said:
Guys what would you consider to be a success rate?

By that I mean say :"approach 10 girls, get 5 working number, get 3 dates, get laid 1" so 1 out of 10.
I'm still lost at what's the general consensus on a bona fide approach here.

Who do you approach in the first place?

Even if I'm confused by the terminology that doesn't mean I don't approach girls I find intriguing and even connect to them. Besides, I still can be confused by pick-up artist terminology, right? Are we pick-up artists here, or what? I don't know. I don't make statistics, but the number of girls I meaningfully approach are much lower than yours, that's for sure. My perspective is that the closer the connection is between the two of you, the higher you go on the ladder, that's for sure. The bottom line is, not all approaches are created equal.
 
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