What Should A PUA Prioritize When Sarging?

[Chrance]

As of this moment I have only banged 12 women, 8 of which have been in the last six months, all from night game. I know that fundamental pickup skills are what I need to pursue. In my view, this means I need to prioritize:
(1) Approaching more sets (I only approach 3-10 sets a night before either pulling, getting stuck in a long set or giving up)
(2) Improving vocals, eye contact, and developing a calmer vibe in general
(3) More persistence (I quit if the girl doesn't appear to want to talk or its clear she has no interest)

There are others as well, but these are the big ones that I know if I did more of I would get more results. I decided to work on these basic things for my first 50 lays so that my intuition improves, then transition into doing more advanced tech. However, I want to make sure this is the right choice. I'm not sure what other pua's focused on as they were learning. I'm really trying to avoid the natural approach, where I go out, approach a lot, and hope that my intuition will naturally and subconsciously improve perpetually - the reason being is that, assuming the natural approach is truly how one gets better, then there is no reason why I should consciously try anything while out other than hitting on more chicks, going harder, and just trying to get laid; my own technical improvement basically becomes out of my own control and everything revolves around simply (1) hitting on more chicks, (2) being more persistent, and (3) getting the lay (just focus on getting laid bro!!), but I am aware there is much more to actually improving skill than this.

So my question really is:
(1) What are the things a pua must prioritize when sarging in order to both improve his results and his skill?
(2) In what manner does a pua add on new material/techniques in order to improve his results and skill? (In other words, at what point do you decide "Ok, I'm ready to try out doing some mystery method stuff, or some sex talk stuff, or gunwiches stuff, etc.")

This post may appear autistic, and I hope thats alright. Sometimes I feel very clear of what I must do to get better at pickup (like tonight, for example, I know I need to (1) try out some warm up lines, (2) approach more sets, (3) approach faster, and (4) slow down my voice); but there are moments where I want to jump ahead -- happens after every lay pretty much where as a result I feel "alright, now I'm ready to do some advanced stuff." This results in a haphazard mess of priorities, causing an increase in my anxiety and a dip in my results.

Personally, I really overthink things. This is a personal quality that will never go away, and frankly I don't want it to because I enjoy thinking about things, daydreaming, and so on. But if my priorities are all over the place, this means more things I will think about, causing more self-doubt when I sarge. My big fear is taking one wrong step and going totally off track, so to speak, wasting years of my time on nonsense due to simply being misguided. Hope this makes sense.

- Chrance

 

[Zanardi]

So my question really is:
(1) What are the things a pua must prioritize when sarging in order to both improve his results and his skill?

I think it depends on every individual. When I do daygame, now I focus on keeping the interaction until she leaves or I get her number. Right now, this is my sticking point, as my AA is close to 0. Thus, I need to approach almost every girl that I see, because I never know which interaction will lead to a number.

 

[ElderPrice]

A broad answer:
First off, based on my understanding and experiences, the human brain can really only focus on two or so things at once. Mayyyybe 3. So nobody can go out and focus on 20 game variables all at once. Pick 1 or 2 that you feel like working on, then just focus on those until they don't seem problematic anymore.

As for what a PUA prioritizes, it's always changing as his skills improve. A beginner will probably prioritize the fundamentals. An intermediate maybe more complex gambits or routines.

 

[Carousel]

A broad answer:
First off, based on my understanding and experiences, the human brain can really only focus on two or so things at once. Mayyyybe 3. So nobody can go out and focus on 20 game variables all at once. Pick 1 or 2 that you feel like working on, then just focus on those until they don't seem problematic anymore.

This tends to go somewhat up by time and experience. You also internalize some things and do it automatically (say, screen for logistics or spot AIs). You will by time be able to read much more of her body-language and thus her state/readiness to be pulled, without even thinking.

 

[Carousel]

As of this moment I have only banged 12 women, 8 of which have been in the last six months, all from night game.

This ratio is a good result for a beginner!

(1) Approaching more sets (I only approach 3-10 sets a night before either pulling, getting stuck in a long set or giving up)

This is not necessarily a bad number. You are only "getting stuck" if the set is low quality or not going anywhere so don't fear long sets, however you learn different things from long sets than from spam approaching. Decide what is more important for you, do you want to prioritize opening more or laying the sets you already open? Both may be worthwhile to practice. Beginners may be approach artists and if so should prioritize to either screw up or pull the set. But you sound like you don't have this problem as you are actually getting laid already.

Giving up however is NOT acceptable unless you are ill, extremely tired or have to get up the next day due to work etc. Don't go home before all hope is lost (usually 4 AM here in Norway, one hour after clubs close, but may be later).

(2) Improving vocals, eye contact, and developing a calmer vibe in general

Vocals and vibe will benefit from the exercises I have written about here - in particular the TRE
Also investigate posture. Most beginners have some issues with it and this may actually fuck up your vocals also due to slouching reducing the lung volume.

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(3) More persistence (I quit if the girl doesn't appear to want to talk or its clear she has no interest)

This is not necessarily bad - sets that have no hope should be abandoned or sometimes, reopened later. Her BT may have increased and you may have built social proof in the meantime (this is a good way to attract sets that has not gone anywhere yet). However you will have to burn a lot of sets to destruction before you actually KNOW when they are unwinnable. So probably a good idea to persist a bit too much for a while (but don't go #metoo haha)

There are others as well, but these are the big ones that I know if I did more of I would get more results. I decided to work on these basic things for my first 50 lays so that my intuition improves, then transition into doing more advanced tech.

I think I would throw in more tech before then. Throw in more tech when you actually SOLVE your current sticking points, not based on some arbitrary numerology. Also do not make assumptions about how you will feel or what your skillset will be at 30 or 50 lays if you have 12 lays. You simply don't know this yet. There will be a large difference. Regarding your point 2, apart from the eye contact, this is NOT an in-field topic. You solve this by exercises outside the field as I have linked to above. You can also work on eye contact outside the field. So make another point 2.

What you can do here is the following:

Write down a stack of 5 favorite routines or techniques that you know by heart. Make a practice of running these in your sets. You don't need to run all at the same evening. And just throw away the ones you don't like, however you may love a tech you hate right now later, so be sure to re-try them now and then.

However, I want to make sure this is the right choice. I'm not sure what other pua's focused on as they were learning. I'm really trying to avoid the natural approach, where I go out, approach a lot, and hope that my intuition will naturally and subconsciously improve perpetually - the reason being is that, assuming the natural approach is truly how one gets better, then there is no reason why I should consciously try anything while out other than hitting on more chicks, going harder, and just trying to get laid; my own technical improvement basically becomes out of my own control and everything revolves around simply (1) hitting on more chicks, (2) being more persistent, and (3) getting the lay (just focus on getting laid bro!!), but I am aware there is much more to actually improving skill than this.

"Natural game" is just a marketing fad appealing to lazyness and theoretical illiteracy. You may take some evening to "go natural" though, it is instructive to freestyle a bit and learning that you will get laid now and then without doing much consciously. So yes.

(1) What are the things a pua must prioritize when sarging in order to both improve his results and his skill?

This question is too broad. It is better to post FRs or report problems and then people may chime in to assist you regarding your specific situation.

(2) In what manner does a pua add on new material/techniques in order to improve his results and skill? (In other words, at what point do you decide "Ok, I'm ready to try out doing some mystery method stuff, or some sex talk stuff, or gunwiches stuff, etc.")

You can study all these at your level. However don't expect to pull off all the advanced, sextalk skills from Teevster immediately, they require solid fundamentals and high social intuition. More basic varieties are possible to experiment with and some of his gambits are tailored so as beginners may use them. Just read some of his blog posts and you will find them.

Most of Mystery's stuff is very applicable, his products focus mainly on opening and attraction. Just don't get caught up in stuff like 7 hour rule etc - that is for PERFECT game and he also says so. Also his products are rather politically correct and safe - there is not much discussion of end game and fast escalation. This is very understandable, but also important to know for the user.

Gunwitch also has very good and easily understandable materials, for a beginner in particular with regard to fundamentals and hooks, however know that his stuff is less politically correct and be a bit careful with "MAKE THE HO SAY NO"-type material in these #Metoo days It works, but it can be mis-applied by careless or socially oblivious guys. His verbal materials are totally safe and easier to practice than Teevster's stuff. In general, verbal game is not something that will get you arrested or thrown out of clubs so when in doubt, go verbal.

Here are a couple of classics from Tyler that I recommend for any beginner.

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(the last one is very important regarding persistence!)

Just don't try out ALL this at once. You can cycle various techs through your stack. Have 5 techs in your stack all the time and cycle in new ones as you internalize others on a subconscious level.

This post may appear autistic, and I hope thats alright. Sometimes I feel very clear of what I must do to get better at pickup (like tonight, for example, I know I need to (1) try out some warm up lines, (2) approach more sets, (3) approach faster, and (4) slow down my voice); but there are moments where I want to jump ahead -- happens after every lay pretty much where as a result I feel "alright, now I'm ready to do some advanced stuff." This results in a haphazard mess of priorities, causing an increase in my anxiety and a dip in my results.

Personally, I really overthink things. This is a personal quality that will never go away, and frankly I don't want it to because I enjoy thinking about things, daydreaming, and so on. But if my priorities are all over the place, this means more things I will think about, causing more self-doubt when I sarge. My big fear is taking one wrong step and going totally off track, so to speak, wasting years of my time on nonsense due to simply being misguided. Hope this makes sense.

I don't see much evidence of either hap-hazard priorities or overthinking in your actual post. Neither am I very concerned about you getting off track. Both I and Teevster actually were impressed by the level of analysis and the intelligence of the questions posted in your post.

 

[Chrance]

Thanks everyone for the replies.

@Carousel - "Decide what is more important for you, do you want to prioritize opening more or laying the sets you already open?"

Definitely laying those sets I open. I really hate opening just for the sake of opening, despite it sometimes being necessary to warm up or to learn; it feels like not punching through your opponent in boxing, or not shooting through your opponent in wrestling, so to speak, like a half baked jab or single-leg. However, there are definitely sets here and there that I get too scared to open because the girls are way too hot or they just look tough. This has become less and less in the course of time, but at least 2-3 sets a night I'll see babes like that that lock me up.

"I think I would throw in more tech before then. Throw in more tech when you actually SOLVE your current sticking points, not based on some arbitrary numerology."

Point taken. I'm glad you said this. With the stack you mentioned - what is funny about that is that I actually have a couple routines I've accumulated over time. However, due to AA being my biggest issue for a while (even now, though to a much lesser degree) I would always ditch intentionally practicing a routine since I could barely get my ass to approach anyway, thus opening became my only concern. Furthermore, I would come across advice here and there on the internet, and even from guys I'd run into infield, that I shouldn't even worry about routines, lines, etc. So through this I would get doubt about routines and tech in general. But I've had a routine stack written down for a while and due to your post I've decided to brush it up and get it working.

Here's some former goals I used to prioritize, but now don't care about:
1.) Work on being more emotionally stimulating (After some time, gave up on this due to a variety of reason, one of which was that merely telling myself to be "emotionally stimulating" wouldn't really make me more or less emotionally stimulating)
2.) Practice push-pulls (After some time I gave up on this as well; it just didn't seem that important for me to worry about)
3.) Practice cold-reads (Gave up on this, similar to push-pulls, although I still do these off-the-cuff)
4.) Practice a kino-stack (Put some thought into it but never bothered trying; I don't have any problem with touching someone in a gradual way)

One night time goal that was significant in getting me results was focusing on a pulling routine and bouncing, so I made sure that if I was in a long set and if I had bounced her away from her friends and if there was enough physical comfort, then I would go for a set of pulling lines, such as:
1.) Hinting at another club in the city and seeing how open she would be in visiting it with me (got me 1 lay and 1 LR, both were lone wolves)
2.) Getting some "fresh air", then getting some coffee from my car and listening to music (a couple lays from this)
3.) Letting them know indirectly that I drove out (yeah I can't drink too much because I drove here) then hinting at if she needs a ride home (pulled and got a lay from two sets with this, which blew my mind at the time)

But now I'm transitioning to just saying "lets go" or something like that, but that's a topic for another post.

""Natural game" is just a marketing fad appealing to lazyness and theoretical illiteracy."

Not sure how common it is elsewhere, but a lot of guys I run into infield - guys who are regulars or who I occasionally wing and chat with - are pretty much all "natural game" guys. That school of thought either really sunk in to the internet or most dudes who sarge never bothered to google "pickup". Whatever the case, I've seen first hand the results of natural game and its bittersweet - on the one hand, some of the dudes actually get laid about the same rate as myself; on the other hand, there is no real pursuit for improvement. One natural I know, who turned 30, said to me "I'm thinking about giving up all this." "Why?" "Because I'm not getting any better looking than this man." Implying that he would get uglier from there so what's the point. This is a good looking guy. Depressing man.

In summary, after reading the replies and doing some thinking, I plan to simply open as usual (no routine) since I tend to psych myself out if I think too much about routines, then as the conversation settles I'll work in the routines, which in themselves should actually last me about 30 minutes to an hour. So pretty much: (1) opening a lot, (2) routine stack, (3) persistence. Slower talking and other vibe/habit changes I'll deal with out-field.