Why are there more virgins/men virgins for longer?

[mist]

Why do you think?

Lack of masculinity, inaction, incorrect approach, culture shift, victim mentality? Maybe this is false to you. Why?

 

[mist]

Inb4 @ZacAdam posts some philosophical meta mind melting breakdown haha

 

[Rakehell]

technology took away the incentive for men to get over their girl anxiety

why force yourself to meet real girls when there are dating apps, a smorgasbord of porn sites, social media etc etc. there’s also a culture shift where women are something to be revered or feared

i guess you can say it’s lower baseline social skills, lack of incentive, and a lack of attractive behaviors (because women are to be feared) that reinforce girl avoidance

even when a guy meets a girl he’ll fall into the technology rabbit hole and text her without ever trying to meet up

edit: i always felt like dating apps were cheating so i’m admittedly biased to them

 

[Regal Tiger]

Men aren't men and women aren't women anymore in Western society


Heard a quote once, and I've never been able to find who said it, but here it is:
In any society, at any given point in history, the men and women of that society deserve each other


Kinda true

 

[Alpha13SC]

Imo abscense of an early and proper masculine figure which may indicate the proper dynamics between a man and a women.

I think any man have an urge to meet women, but don t know how to and there wasn t anyone to teach them or to learn from and they don t do anything, which is worse.

That inaction combined with effects of porn, some type of virtual polygamy decrease desire even further.

 

[ulrich]

I think there are two forces highly disrupting normal socialization in Western society:

1) Digital world - The internet, YouTube, videogames, Tinder, even SMS allow many people to remain functional for society and satisfy some many other people needs for socialization without allowing for full social skills development.

In other words, nowadays you can be socially stunted and still survive and videogames, social networks, etc. can provide a placebo for your social needs.

2) Feminism and wokeness - An increased push for “tolerance and acceptance” of every kind of person disrupts normal development by obscuring traditional gender roles (“a man must do X”).
Since boys don’t have clear paths for success and get told that they should be accepted to for whatever they are, some character flaws get equated to personality traits which make them ill adapted.

How many more guys (specially young ones) are whiny or complacent?
Certainly a much bigger proportion than in yesteryears.

 

[Train]

How many more guys (specially young ones) are whiny or complacent?
Certainly a much bigger proportion than in yesteryears.

To add to this point, I know a surgeon who says young men tend to be the whiniest when it comes to getting surgery done. He's an older guy (baby boomer) with decades of experience so I always wondered if it was a newer gen thing.

 

[Regal Tiger]

How many more guys (specially young ones) are whiny or complacent?
Certainly a much bigger proportion than in yesteryears.

I notice that I'm guilty of this myself. After trying something for a few days in a row, wracking up anywhere from 4-10 hours and not getting results I get a little whiny

Then I take a break for a few days before starting everything over again lmao

I try to keep it to a minimum but... Well, I'm an emotional twat :'(

 

[ulrich]

I notice that I'm guilty of this myself. After trying something for a few days in a row, wracking up anywhere from 4-10 hours and not getting results I get a little whiny

Then I take a break for a few days before starting everything over again lmao

I try to keep it to a minimum but... Well, I'm an emotional twat :'(

A lot of us start this way. Experience tempers our characters

 

[Fuck This]

Poor social skills. Less in person face to face interaction.

Fear of reprisals and accusations of impropriety.

Less aggression overall in young males. Thus they push boundaries less...

 

[trashKENNUT]

I don't think that's the issue.

You just really don't know. Also, i would call this the 'Amazon effect'. To make this simple, if Girlschase was a country, Gunwitch, Skills, Teev, Chase are the big companies and we are just Mom And Papa shops getting dismantled and go out of business.

To Make it simple: Everyone today, is talking 'BIG GAME'.

Hear me out. In Asia's context:

I really dig into a lot of relationships, thru passive screening and observations, it is all the slow 'Getting to know her in 7-12 months' before getting into a relationship. And that's not even sure if the sex is already involved!

It is that bad. Because you just don't know.

EVERYONE IS TALKING 'BIG GAME'.

Anyone who tell you otherwise, is a lie.
Everything is smoke and mirrors. Where you are not sure who is a virgin and who is not. Who has 100 lays and who has not. Everything and I mean this, everything is a facade. And often times, a guy might underperform and his friends says that he suck. And a guy who kiss a girl in the center of the club is called Teevster. He's the King of Sex. I'm not even kidding. In Asia, A lot of guys think like this. There's so many parallel universes.

Kuala Lumpur Muslims vs Malaysia Muslims.

and when they meet, they almost always never interact with one another. It's like America is right now. Parallel universes.

So yea..

Asia is a weird spot.
So is America.
So is everyone globally.
I warned the guys here. You might think that beautiful girl is <insert> but then you find out about her, things that you didn't like.

So, what the fuck is going on?

The girl obviously doesn't tell the whole story and the guy doesn't tell the whole story if he is smart.

I told @Chase that the West is heading East, and the East is heading West. And this is true.

z@c+

 

[trashKENNUT]

In layman's.

Delusion of "Success". Are you being ILLUSION by any of this points?

Hi Guys, Seems like there is a lot of new guys still wonder get caught up of the school success and maybe porno type of orgies happening in school. Are you guilty of this? Mistakes or illusioned by? 1)Many social circle photos from a guy friend in social media 2)Many social circle photos...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[mist]

Clarifications and Comments

Spoiler: SunEmperor

Sunking

technology took away the incentive for men to get over their girl anxiety

why force yourself to meet real girls when there are dating apps, a smorgasbord of porn sites, social media etc etc. there’s also a culture shift where women are something to be revered or feared

i guess you can say it’s lower baseline social skills, lack of incentive, and a lack of attractive behaviors (because women are to be feared) that reinforce girl avoidance

even when a guy meets a girl he’ll fall into the technology rabbit hole and text her without ever trying to meet up

edit: i always felt like dating apps were cheating so i’m admittedly biased to them

Interesting take.

You've written a lot about frame and psychology homie I'm curious

1. With these things in mind (girl avoidance, fear, reverence, as well as general laziness) what sort if frames do virgins and undersexed men possess to you?

2. How do you navigate the men like this around you?

Spoiler: Majestic Lion

Regal Tiger

Men aren't men and women aren't women anymore in Western society


Heard a quote once, and I've never been able to find who said it, but here it is:
In any society, at any given point in history, the men and women of that society deserve each other


Kinda true

I notice that I'm guilty of this myself. After trying something for a few days in a row, wracking up anywhere from 4-10 hours and not getting results I get a little whiny

Then I take a break for a few days before starting everything over again lmao

I try to keep it to a minimum but... Well, I'm an emotional twat :'(

Dope quote.

You've written a lot about endurance, empathy, and self development.

1. So if men are going down why are women going more into self development and stronger frames? Or is the case both are becoming weaker in your view?

2. How's it going Regal? How much do you relate or even act like the undersexed/virgin man?

Spoiler: Sigma

Alpha

Imo abscense of an early and proper masculine figure which may indicate the proper dynamics between a man and a women.

I think any man have an urge to meet women, but don t know how to and there wasn t anyone to teach them or to learn from and they don t do anything, which is worse.

That inaction combined with effects of porn, some type of virtual polygamy decrease desire even further.

Ok you take a masculinity and inaction angle.

1. In your everyday life how do you recognize masculine men and traits?

2. Virtual polygamy...nice one haha. So then in your opinion... are virgins and undersexed men not masculine? Why or why not? Any exceptions?

Spoiler: UriEl

Uriel

I think there are two forces highly disrupting normal socialization in Western society:

1) Digital world - The internet, YouTube, videogames, Tinder, even SMS allow many people to remain functional for society and satisfy some many other people needs for socialization without allowing for full social skills development.

In other words, nowadays you can be socially stunted and still survive and videogames, social networks, etc. can provide a placebo for your social needs.

2) Feminism and wokeness - An increased push for “tolerance and acceptance” of every kind of person disrupts normal development by obscuring traditional gender roles (“a man must do X”).
Since boys don’t have clear paths for success and get told that they should be accepted to for whatever they are, some character flaws get equated to personality traits which make them ill adapted.

How many more guys (specially young ones) are whiny or complacent?
Certainly a much bigger proportion than in yesteryears.

A lot of us start this way. Experience tempers our characters

Dopeness right here.

1. So if you were to advice a virgin or undersexed man in ways to utilize the internet to break out of those cons...what would they be or where would you point them to learn?

2. How pervasive is feminism and wokeness in your everyday life and game? Is this actually a founded thing or a further consequence of minds further clouded by the internet?

3. How do you use this in your seductions? How do your sets respond to you vs men around you on average?

Spoiler: Fuck This

Fuck This

Poor social skills. Less in person face to face interaction.

Fear of reprisals and accusations of impropriety.

Less aggression overall in young males. Thus they push boundaries less...

I gotta say I always quite like your comments and vibe. Very cool forum member imo.

1. In your personal life how common have reprisals and accusations of impropriety come your way? How do you handle them vs how an undersexed or virgin would?

2. Is the aggression repressed or absent?

3. What things got you comfortable and more skilled with boundary pushing?

Spoiler: Zac DAGOAT

ZacAdam aka (DAGOAT)

I don't think that's the issue.

You just really don't know. Also, i would call this the 'Amazon effect'. To make this simple, if Girlschase was a country, Gunwitch, Skills, Teev, Chase are the big companies and we are just Mom And Papa shops getting dismantled and go out of business.

To Make it simple: Everyone today, is talking 'BIG GAME'.

Hear me out. In Asia's context:

I really dig into a lot of relationships, thru passive screening and observations, it is all the slow 'Getting to know her in 7-12 months' before getting into a relationship. And that's not even sure if the sex is already involved!

It is that bad. Because you just don't know.

EVERYONE IS TALKING 'BIG GAME'.

Anyone who tell you otherwise, is a lie.
Everything is smoke and mirrors. Where you are not sure who is a virgin and who is not. Who has 100 lays and who has not. Everything and I mean this, everything is a facade. And often times, a guy might underperform and his friends says that he suck. And a guy who kiss a girl in the center of the club is called Teevster. He's the King of Sex. I'm not even kidding. In Asia, A lot of guys think like this. There's so many parallel universes.

Kuala Lumpur Muslims vs Malaysia Muslims.

and when they meet, they almost always never interact with one another. It's like America is right now. Parallel universes.

So yea..

Asia is a weird spot.
So is America.
So is everyone globally.
I warned the guys here. You might think that beautiful girl is <insert> but then you find out about her, things that you didn't like.

So, what the fuck is going on?

The girl obviously doesn't tell the whole story and the guy doesn't tell the whole story if he is smart.

I told @Chase that the West is heading East, and the East is heading West. And this is true.

Interesting.

In your view the idea there are more undersexed and or virgins is hyperbole? In fact it is optimal and normal for humanity to engage in smoke and mirrors?

That kiss example is pretty similar to guys in the West as well. Not just East.

1. Why do you feel the East is trading values with the West socially and sexually? Is this going to be completed in our lifetime? Eastern Chads and Western Duds?

2. For the True virgins and undersexed men not undersexed...why is this? Are the smoke and mirrors hurting them? Is it them? What do you think?

Everyone

In general so far these have been the top reasons noted.

1. Internet usage and Online Dating.

2. Men's response to societies treatment of them and women.

3. Inaction/poor action.

Any further thoughts on these or something you believe is missing?

 

[ulrich]

Dopeness right here.

1. So if you were to advice a virgin or undersexed man in ways to utilize the internet to break out of those cons...what would they be or where would you point them to learn?

2. How pervasive is feminism and wokeness in your everyday life and game? Is this actually a founded thing or a further consequence of minds further clouded by the internet?

3. How do you use this in your seductions? How do your sets respond to you vs men around you on average?[/SPOILER]

1) I wouldn’t.
Besides these forums, GC page and maybe some older PUA books, I don’t think the internet offers much guidance in how to break the addiction to itself.
A real life has to become more important in such man’s eyes before breaking from a digital life.

2) Perhaps wokeness can't survive without the internet. You don’t get exposed to many transexuals biracial oppressed individuals in real life.

Feminism on the other hand is a power on itself.
The Neo-Marxist influenced third wave was already growing before the digital world became ubiquitous.

3) It’s actually pretty easy to use the current situation to your advantage.
Every single girl has stories of uncalibrated or brainwashed guys doing something stupid or unattractive.
When deep diving, as these stories unfold, you just roll you eyes and say… “Damn, some guys just don’t get it”.
It’s the basic “secret society” framing. You and them are different. That creates a very productive frame.

 

[Rakehell]

1. With these things in mind (girl avoidance, fear, reverence, as well as general laziness) what sort if frames do virgins and undersexed men possess to you?

2. How do you navigate the men like this around you?

Not sure honestly. These guys come in different breeds. You have the “nerdy” guys who don’t take care of their appearance and game all day. The gym bro guy’s who only care about their appearance and use the gym as an excuse to not talk to girls. You have the “incel” guy’s who feel bitter to girl’s in some way and talk about it online.

Overall I think these guy’s are just afraid. They auto reject themselves from talking to girls. “i need a gamer girl” “im on my gym grind” “girls should chase me” etc etc

As for how I interact with them? Sadly this is the norm now lol. Most guy’s are not good with women.

 

[Alpha13SC]

Spoiler: Sigma

Alpha

Ok you take a masculinity and inaction angle.

1. In your everyday life how do you recognize masculine men and traits?

2. Virtual polygamy...nice one haha. So then in your opinion... are virgins and undersexed men not masculine? Why or why not? Any exceptions?

1. It depends. Power of will, willing to take risks, aggression, boldness. There's not just one thing, but sure, you can made a profile.

2. Not, that's not my opinion. It's being put out of context here, @Mist22. I think that those are some causes which can lead to prolonged virginity. There are tons of emasculated men who are having sex. And also tons of masculine men who still don't know to talk to a woman, because they don't have the education. But IMO neither of those situation are fully desired.

I just think virtual polygamy have a role in it due to it's effects(hormones, motivation, an actually real desire to meet women).

 

[Will_V]

I think there is one crucial thing that is wrecking people's (especially men's) lives, and that is the fact that they are never tested.

The most fundamental aspect of manhood in ancient cultures was the initiation rite. Without it you never became a man. It was difficult and painful and you had to bear it with the utmost self control and acceptance of your fate. Once it was over the world was no longer scary, and you knew what you were capable of.

These days men have no guidance or any real idea of what it means to be a man, let alone any actual tests. Some guys who experience enough pain from this lack of identity put themselves through things of their own accord that are a substitute for the initiation rite, but this usually only occurs after many years of time wasted in suffering and laziness, and often comes with a capable but imbalanced character. The truth is that human beings were never designed to test themselves - the environment tested the tribe, and the tribe tested the individual. The ego was only ever designed to seek the things it normally seeks, but to get those things it was supposed to have to sacrifice a lot for its own development.

These days 'men' and 'women' live in their parents basement until 30s, eating themselves overweight, getting triggered via the internet and wanking to porn. I know way too many people who have never quite struck out of their front door, and still suffer in the bubble of the child where there is essentially 'mommy's place' and 'outside' long after that phase was supposed to be past. Nursing delusions and spending all their energy trying to keep fear and anxiety at bay. But while they have some fault the reality is that mommy (or society in general) never threw them out by the seat of their pants into the world they desperately want to conquer. But they know they need it - that's why they sit there and play video games or watch movies where the character is 'forced' to do exactly what they wish someone would come along and 'force' them to do - start at nothing and become something, or lose.

It's a disgrace that such an apparently evolved society does such a miserable job of preparing and developing the capabilities of its citizens. But the reality is that our society has lived too long without tests (and seems to be getting close to doing away with them pretty much altogether). But that's probably neither here nor there as it will either become something more functional or it will fall apart and be tested.

 

[trashKENNUT]

Ehem ehem

Zac DAGOAT

Let me think about this for a little bit. I like to think that we all are pointing out a big picture but everyone is on different places. One is touching the leg. One is touching the head. One is touching the hand.

I don't want to win against anyone here. I want to see the puzzle so that I can make all females in the world, my peasants.

z@c+

 

[Regal Tiger]

Dope quote.

You've written a lot about endurance, empathy, and self development.

1. So if men are going down why are women going more into self development and stronger frames? Or is the case both are becoming weaker in your view?

Both are weaker in my view. Since I'm not a woman and mostly only see self-development from the man's point of view, I can only give an uneducated guess about the woman's side

So I'm not really going to get into it other than to say women don't understand men and neither do men understand women. I'm rather ignorant of the woman's side of things tbh

As for the men, I can really only speak to my personal life, and what I've personally witnessed as well as thought. Frankly, because it's for my own betterment and my own experiences. But having said that, I've not really researched much on the man's side either. So keep that in mind

It seems to me, though, that male things are kinda demonized as well as pedastalized in western society. And a lot of people are plugged into society. You can think of it as a shit test that men are failing for the most part

But that's not also 100% correct because men do still need to be aware of it, in my opinion. It's just too many guys give too much weight to what gets demonized while ignoring everything else. Then the women ignore what gets demonized while straight up being envious of the good parts

But again, I've not researched this in depth and really only talking about my own limited experiences

2. How's it going Regal? How much do you relate or even act like the undersexed/virgin man?

Honestly, that's a good question

Looking back, I don't believe I'm quite that far gone lol. I remember drowning in despair about my lack of women. Now, while I get mad and even whiny at times, I'm not despairing over women. Though sometimes I get that way about life in general

So yeah, I'd have to think about it a bit. I probably relate more than I'd like, but not on the same topics (women). If that makes sense?

 

[Stark]

Why do you think?

Lack of masculinity, inaction, incorrect approach, culture shift, victim mentality? Maybe this is false to you. Why?

They blow up Sex in their mind and make it such a BIG BIG deal - that they FEAR taking action