Women Are Great Communicators?

[trashKENNUT]

Chase finally admit it.

HAHAHAHAHA. Fuck YEAH!
Nah I'm kidding. I'm messing around.

Chase noted in his latest article that while society says that women are great communicators, he found out that this is so so not true.

I'm like yesssssssss.

Here's the thing I am angry with the Pickup community. If you are reading this, YES I AM TALKING ABOUT YOU.

You guys are taking women words as gospel.

For me, I found out that women don't know everything, last year.

"I just pretend like I know everything" - Black Widow. (Captain America: The Winter Soldier)

Perfect. Sums up today's world.

Zac

 

[Chase]

Women (in general) are great at communicating whatever they need to communicate to try to achieve their particular desired ends.

They are for the most part most definitely not great at achieving win-win mutual victory scenarios where everybody wins.

Nor are they much good at (or do they seem to often much care about) understanding other people around them fully.

They make use of techniques like:

• Shame
• Guilt
• Flattery
• Silent judgment
• Cold shoulders
• Effusive affection
• Surprise adulation

These are good tactics for affecting the emotions of another person. They are not however good communication tools.

Women are excellent at communicating the emotion they feel in any given moment.

Yet they tend to be unaware of the underlying roots of those emotions and unable to communicate them when asked. They will give you root causes, but later you will find out the real root cause was something else (often something completely different).

Much of the time they are too upset to communicate, and skulk off. Or they are too happy to communicate, and tell you everything is fine and you should forget about whatever they were complaining about earlier because it doesn't matter anymore.

I guess in comparison to the average man, the average woman is a superior communicator. Maybe.

But that is setting a pretty low bar.

Once you have learned enough game to do even moderately well with women, you will blow the average woman out of the water in terms of communication ability.

Chase

 

[Protean]

Once you have learned enough game to do even moderately well with women, you will blow the average woman out of the water in terms of communication ability.

Game is a great gateway drug to self improvement precisely because of this. I'd consider myself to be an upper beginner at game and yet my seduction endeavors are more successful than the overwhelming majority of men I encounter. Because really, it's not hard to become more competent than 90-95% of people at a certain skill if you put even the slightest amount of effort in improving at it. And when you realize that this applies to anything you look to accomplish, not just game, you get excited (and wonder why most people choose to stay mediocre).

This short piece goes into more depth on this:

95%-ile isn't that good

danluu.com

Protean

 

[DarkKnight]

@ZacAdam , this has been something I have been thinking about a lot as well. Women are always described as having a superior social intuition and social skills, however I have seen them make really horrible mistakes. My new paradigm is that it is better to guide women... Bring things to a good end without force or coercion, but do make them conscious about what they are doing, or how they are sabbotaging the relationship. Chase's article about resistant women goes pretty much in the same direction.

I was already thinking in these lines because I have been the "walking away without saying a word" kinda guy a bit too much. I have had girls being stunned that I ended it sharply, which tells me they were not prepared for that happening. In other words they had no idea what they were doing or communicating. More than once they kinda hoped that I would stick around despite resistance, or actually hoped I kept fighting for them through excessive hard to get behavior...

 

[Velasco]

Women are always described as having a superior social intuition and social skills, however I have seen them make really horrible mistakes.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1244698163438592003

 

[trashKENNUT]

They are for the most part most definitely not great at achieving win-win mutual victory scenarios where everybody wins.

Nor are they much good at (or do they seem to often much care about) understanding other people around them fully.

Women are excellent at communicating the emotion they feel in any given moment.

Chase, you do know that i am going to read your comment over and over
and merge how i see most women as serving their 'tribe' variable first, to then serve everything else.

The key word, is most women, serve their tribe variable, first. if they have what she wants. (Community, and her wants)

YES!

"Pinky: Gee, Brain, what do you want to do tonight? Brain: The same thing we do every night, Pinky - try to take over the world!

 

[Skills]

 

[Lover]

Women are always described as having a superior social intuition

And this is why we have to show intent when we approach them

 

[trashKENNUT]

And this is why we have to show intent when we approach them

Right. Added.... The intent can be signalled by verbal or non verbal.

Sidenote:

Mechanism of Spreading the Message is quite often missing.

It's ironically the biggest factor why all of us get our message misread, mistranslate. It happens in business, dating, everywhere really.

 

[Chase]

@ZacAdam,

Women's tribal allegiance is fascinating.

I have an ex-military friend who went on a date in January with some girl he street approached. Date went amazing, and they had this incredible connection, vibing on everything.

At one point, 90 minutes in, she suddenly stops him and goes, "Did you vote for Trump?"

Friend didn't know how else to answer, and didn't want to lie, so he said, "Yes."

The girl got up and promptly left the café without him.

She discovered he was not a part of her tribe, but was in fact part of the other tribe, and wanted nothing to do with him.

This was a big thing a few years back, women complaining about discovering men they liked were actually Trump supporters:

Why Can't I Stop Hooking Up With Trump Voters?

Turns out, wildly differing political ideologies make for some pretty interesting sex.

www.glamour.com

It was like they felt deeply betrayed by it. "Turns out he was the enemy, all along!"

For a while in Romania @Hector Papi Castillo was using a Trump MAGA cap as a peacocking prop to trigger and attract women at bars IIRC. lol


@Skills,

You know I actually figured out the solution to this many years ago.

The secret is when she says she is fine with anywhere, you just say cool, then say nothing else about the choice of venue, and go where you want to go.

Half the time she will not notice or pay attention to where you have gone.

The other half she will bring it up (or sometimes complain).

At which point you just kind of shrug and go in anyway.

Eventually they get wise to this and start to rule out your #1 choice at the get-go: "Anywhere you want. But NOT Rubio's!"

Then you can tell them, "Well then tell me what you want. Because otherwise we are going to Rubio's."

Chase

 

[trashKENNUT]

For a while in Romania @Hector Papi Castillo was using a Trump MAGA cap as a peacocking prop to trigger and attract women at bars IIRC. lol

Chase, Don't Encourage Me To Use Trump for my bio on Facebook Dating. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[Lover]

Mechanism of Spreading the Message is quite often missing.

It's ironically the biggest factor why all of us get our message misread, mistranslate. It happens in business, dating, everywhere really.

Agree. It is what it is. If we're talking non-verbal intent, then everyone understands the subtle messages differently. And even if she picks up on your attraction for her on an emotional or subconscious level, does she consciously rationalize it?

With verbal intent, she might consciously realize your attraction. But if your non-verbals are off, she may not feel it

However, it goes both ways my man. I must admit, in social circles I missed clues like this too because girls usually show covert IOI's.

Yesterday, I had a meeting with my work team, and I am leaving as their leader. When we finished, one of the girls said goodbye. As she started to walk away, she turned her face around again almost immediately and we got eye contact for less than a second. Almost like a movie, except no slow-motion xD IOI? Could be.

Put me in that same room 10 years ago, and I would already be packing my bag when she said goodbye HAHA

 

[trashKENNUT]

Put me in that same room 10 years ago, and I would already be packing my bag when she said goodbye HAHA

Put me back in many past situations, i don't know how many girls will get impregnated. HAHAHAHAHAHA! In a parallel universe, Zac is force to take his business seriously because he needs at least 20k per month just to feel at ease with all this baby mamas!

 

[Skills]

Women's tribal allegiance is fascinating.

I have an ex-military friend who went on a date in January with some girl he street approached. Date went amazing, and they had this incredible connection, vibing on everything.

At one point, 90 minutes in, she suddenly stops him and goes, "Did you vote for Trump?"

Friend didn't know how else to answer, and didn't want to lie, so he said, "Yes."

That is why you never discuss politics, bathroom, religion and all that pre-fuck he made a rookie mistake.... Those pro trumps military guys are typically hard core (and i really prefer trump over biden, the lesser of 2)

The girl got up and promptly left the café without him.

my ex of 10 years was a hard core religious nut, she broke up with me cause we were not from the same yolk or something like that.... I made a mistake of discussing religion (i grew up catholic now i am agnostic (well with a twist i believe i am god), she broke up with me came back next day, 10 years later we broke up partly for same reason.... But that was post fuck, thanks god... pre fuck i just went along and show curiosity and ask questions about her Christianity....

You know I actually figured out the solution to this many years ago.

The secret is when she says she is fine with anywhere, you just say cool, then say nothing else about the choice of venue, and go where you want to go.

Half the time she will not notice or pay attention to where you have gone.

The other half she will bring it up (or sometimes complain).

At which point you just kind of shrug and go in anyway.

Eventually they get wise to this and start to rule out your #1 choice at the get-go: "Anywhere you want. But NOT Rubio's!"

Then you can tell them, "Well then tell me what you want. Because otherwise we are going to Rubio's."

Chase

Yes I came to the same conclusion, made a post on reditt on it on the transitional nextasf/skilledseducer reddit:

How i am lately dating(specially second encounters post one night stands, or post first fuck).... Usually is a pain in the ass to have women to agree to something to eat or whatever women super indecisive... Anybody that is in relationships and/or dating multiple women know this so this is was working out for me when i am going to see women in rotation or when they are going to come see me....

Here is the problem guys:

skills: I am going to subway or _____________ Text me what you want from there? Done....

exhibit:
Cynthia : Hey handsome 7:23 PM
Cynthia : Talk to me liv 7:26 PM
Cynthia : Luv** 7:26 PM
Me: i am leaving now 7:26 PM
Me: did you eat 7:27 PM
Cynthia : Leaving now to come to me? 7:27 PM
Cynthia: No not yet 7:27 PM
Me: ok you are vegetarian 7:27 PM
Me: you want me to get you chiplote 7:27 PM
Me: toffu 7:28 PM
Me: or whatever is called 7:28 PM
Cynthia: Sure ... sofritas 7:28 PM
Me: https://www.chipotle.com/nutrition-calculator.html 7:28 PM
Me: go there tell me what you want and text it 7:28 PM
Me: then text me directions full so i can put in gps 7:28 PM
Cynthia: Brown rice, guac, lettuce, pico, black beans 7:29 PM

how this method developed is that i accidentally got a flat fucking up my 3 bounce dating method, i asked one of the girls if she was hungry(mistake 1) she said yes...

where does she wants to eat (mistake 2)

and went to a restaurant were my bill was $110

did i bang her that night? NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo of course not...

did i bang her later Yes, where did i take her to a taco place cost $20

and @POB wrote something similar to:

I just say:

"we can go to 1, 2 or 3...feel free to pick your favorite"

Then I send them the google front page, website or whatever so they can check the menu.

If they say "nah, I like $$$$$ place better", I just give an excuse using my diet and bail, or straight ask them to come to my place to drink wine and eat home cooked snacks (you never know LOL).