Women seeing themselves as the sexual prize

[Skills]

Yes.... could be. Also Fyi @empath qualification is a form of frame control.

It is like @Skills says - a way to force a frame, or reinforce it by making her invest - or qualify to you. The classic (Mystery Method) way is to qualify after setting X amounts of frames and building compliance ("attraction"), but more ballsy styles includes forcing qualification early on... as a form of screening - @Razorjack style.




Well @Skills... PUAs can also screen, but yeah easier said than done. And it is beyond what @empath refers to. Anyway...


What he says. Listen to @Skills.


SkillsGPT.



But not wrong...

-Teevster

Yes i chat gpt qualification definition..... i put in quotes... too lazy to look for pua concepts website, but is not right either (they put deep dive samples as qualification).... i was trying to make a point, that he is confusing screening with qualification.... I think the chat gpt definition weak, @KJ Francis just post something on qualification well research since you are the "pua classic book" enciclopedia, i am too lazy to search....

 

[Spike]

I mean, if the interaction is framed as *you* screening *her* for compatibility—whether sexual or romantic—then you hold the authority.

I guess most naturals think this way, right?

Now, neither you nor she is *the* prize, right

You’re screening her for compatibility sex partner wise (sex talk: which includes talking about past relationships (yours and hers) while subtly showing her you are better than her previous partners. Or if she hasn’t had any yet. That you are the right choice for her to give up her virginity to) While also making her see you that you guys are compatible with her in terms of things you like (similarity: hobbies, music, life philosophies) while subtly showing her you have an overall better understanding of those things than her. If she thinks you’re comparable in both then she will see you as the prize.

Edit: I forgot humor. Which I also use for similarity comparability reasons. In terms of having her see we share a similar sense of humor.

Edit 2: I also forgot to add that sometimes girls will start off seeing you as the prize in terms of how you look physically and how you carry yourself. But then through interacting with you, find out that you guys are actually not compatible with each other for whatever reason, and then no longer see you as a prize she wants to win.

 

[KJ Francis]

@KJ Francis just post something on qualification well research since you are the "pua classic book" enciclopedia

Ah, a compliance demand! I like this one, so I won't ask you to beg on all fours

It does seem there is some terminology mixing. I first read it from Chase, where the "screen" is the challenge/bait, paired with "qualifyING".

"screening is what you use to get a woman to divulge her qualifications.

Qualifying women, therefore, is what you end up doing when a gal passes one of your screens. You let her know she's qualified."

You (screen): Do you cook?

Her (qualifying to you): I do, yes.

You (qualifying her): Awesome, I love women who cook. I think you and I will be great friends.

The article explains how to make it natural by weaving it into the deep dive and qualifying through showing interest by asking further questions and relating back (instead of more contrived "I like that").

https://www.girlschase.com/content/qualifying-women-really-important

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This article from Alek uses the term "qualifiER" to refer to the bait/challenge instead of the "screen" (think window screen... Let in air, but not bugs... Or panning for gold... Screen out sand but not gems). Maybe this is to differentiate from screening game?

https://www.girlschase.com/content/how-qualify-girl-and-ramp-attraction

More on Mystery vs. Razorjack qualifying

https://www.girlschase.com/article/when-qualify-girl-youre-chatting

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So I've thought of screening&qualifying as one combined technique during A3 (or earlier Razorjack style like Karea recommends for direct street stops). I guess this is using a "qualifier" prior to "qualifying".

And then the other use of "screening" is more like 60YOC around the A1 phase, like the Terminator movie scanning for targets. This seems like more compliance testing for interest like looking for approach invitations, milking the opener / handclasp, nonverbal opening by extending a hand, spinning her, moving on if there's no instant interest shown via compliance, etc.

 

[KJ Francis]

Sixty:

I’m not opening. I’m screening her. Sure, you are being social, but in reality you are going around screening for cool, attractive women that like to smile and are up for adventure. You opened her but you are really just screening her.

opening to me is a screening process where you weed out uninterested girls. Not a judgment on how good you are at seducing women

Shut up. The person talking is the one who is qualifying. Just by listening you are qualifying her. Qualification is attractive

[This is where the terminology seems a little mixed up. Sixty says the person talking is qualifying, then also that the silent listener is qualifying her. I would say the listener is the one screening while the speaker is qualifying TO you. Then your approval is qualifying HER.]

Poker Face
The most interesting man in the world is a good listener.
I finally figured out the best way to listen that will have women constantly trying to qualify themselves to you. This is the holy grail of seduction. The one and only move you need

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Mystery:
[Note he terms "screen" as the challenge and "qualifier" as the reward]

It's important that the frame you convey in those assumptions is one where she wants you, she is chasing after you, you are the one with higher value, you are the one who decides if you want continue with her, and you are screening her to make sure she qualifies for you

Screening
The idea is to get her hoping that she's good enough to qualify for you. After all, you are a high-value guy. Sure, you're curious about her, but you want to know more. Is she smart?

"Is there more to you than meets the
eye?"

So how can you convey to her that she is being screened." By asking screening questions, by giving IOIs and IODs at the right moments, and by actually having real standards about the kind of people you spend your time with.

Qualifiers
Periodically the time comes to let a girl know she is qualifying for you. She has to feel like she is winning you over, otherwise she will get discouraged.

Notice that each of these qualifiers has an optional disqualifier

"You are SO adorable...-> it's sickening"

"OMG you're a dancer? That is so awesome.-> I can't even talk to you right now"

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Franco's manual:

The important meaning of qualification

This is already a very advanced chapter and if you learn the art of qualification you’ll become a very effective seducer and your successes will increase exponentially. To qualify means to give to another person negative, positive or neutral attributes.

For example: “You are a boring girl” is a negative qualification. “You are a wonderful woman” is a positive qualification. “You are the one who is driving today” is a neutral qualification.

To qualify oneself to someone means to present oneself with negative (disqualification), positive or neutral attributes. “I am an interesting guy” means to qualify oneself to someone. “I am a too much of a bad a guy for a girl like you” means to disqualify oneself to someone.

To make others qualify means giving to someone the possibility of qualifying you in a positive, negative or neutral way

[This whole chapter is great reading. He also discusses completely rejecting the context when a woman tries to get you to qualify to her.]

[His book "Getting the Good Girls" has much more on screening when looking for a relationship, primarily through talking about emotions.]

In this method you will do nothing to put her down. This will screen out the adventuresses of the LSE type early on. They mistake very often an abusive guy for being a self-confident guy and without a certain amount of "abuse" from your part they will not be interested in you. It will also screen out the adventuresses with a good self-esteem because they will find you boring and tell you they just want to be friends

 

[Spike]

Screening game = looking for girls who seem interested (greens) in you that you also find physically attractive.

The girl from my last report could be classified as screening. Even tho I wasn’t approaching any girls. Nor paying any attention. I just looked up from my grill station and saw a girl I found physically attractive checking me out.

And then screening for sexual and similarity compatibility.

Which is what you (what I did with the girl from the report) do on a date.

Hope that clears things up.

 

[Teevster]

I also forgot to add that sometimes girls will start off seeing you as the prize in terms of how you look physically and how you carry yourself. But then through interacting with you, find out that you guys are actually not compatible with each other for whatever reason, and then no longer see you as a prize she wants to win.

This is a very good point. One may however handle this by calibrating to her - and "give in" - at least partly, throug pacing and leading (@empath again... frame control...). The question then becomes how much you are willing to sacrifice your soul and play the incongruence game. Easier said than done and not always desirable.

-Teevster

 

[Skills]

Sixty:

I’m not opening. I’m screening her. Sure, you are being social, but in reality you are going around screening for cool, attractive women that like to smile and are up for adventure. You opened her but you are really just screening her.

opening to me is a screening process where you weed out uninterested girls. Not a judgment on how good you are at seducing women

Shut up. The person talking is the one who is qualifying. Just by listening you are qualifying her. Qualification is attractive

[This is where the terminology seems a little mixed up. Sixty says the person talking is qualifying, then also that the silent listener is qualifying her. I would say the listener is the one screening while the speaker is qualifying TO you. Then your approval is qualifying HER.]

Poker Face
The most interesting man in the world is a good listener.
I finally figured out the best way to listen that will have women constantly trying to qualify themselves to you. This is the holy grail of seduction. The one and only move you need

---

Mystery:
[Note he terms "screen" as the challenge and "qualifier" as the reward]

It's important that the frame you convey in those assumptions is one where she wants you, she is chasing after you, you are the one with higher value, you are the one who decides if you want continue with her, and you are screening her to make sure she qualifies for you

Screening
The idea is to get her hoping that she's good enough to qualify for you. After all, you are a high-value guy. Sure, you're curious about her, but you want to know more. Is she smart?

"Is there more to you than meets the
eye?"

So how can you convey to her that she is being screened." By asking screening questions, by giving IOIs and IODs at the right moments, and by actually having real standards about the kind of people you spend your time with.

Qualifiers
Periodically the time comes to let a girl know she is qualifying for you. She has to feel like she is winning you over, otherwise she will get discouraged.

Notice that each of these qualifiers has an optional disqualifier

"You are SO adorable...-> it's sickening"

"OMG you're a dancer? That is so awesome.-> I can't even talk to you right now"

---

Franco's manual:

The important meaning of qualification

This is already a very advanced chapter and if you learn the art of qualification you’ll become a very effective seducer and your successes will increase exponentially. To qualify means to give to another person negative, positive or neutral attributes.

For example: “You are a boring girl” is a negative qualification. “You are a wonderful woman” is a positive qualification. “You are the one who is driving today” is a neutral qualification.

To qualify oneself to someone means to present oneself with negative (disqualification), positive or neutral attributes. “I am an interesting guy” means to qualify oneself to someone. “I am a too much of a bad a guy for a girl like you” means to disqualify oneself to someone.

To make others qualify means giving to someone the possibility of qualifying you in a positive, negative or neutral way

[This whole chapter is great reading. He also discusses completely rejecting the context when a woman tries to get you to qualify to her.]

[His book "Getting the Good Girls" has much more on screening when looking for a relationship, primarily through talking about emotions.]

In this method you will do nothing to put her down. This will screen out the adventuresses of the LSE type early on. They mistake very often an abusive guy for being a self-confident guy and without a certain amount of "abuse" from your part they will not be interested in you. It will also screen out the adventuresses with a good self-esteem because they will find you boring and tell you they just want to be friends

Yes 60 yoc definition of screening correct and franco one of qualifying is correct! Very good... Mystery one meh!

 

[KJ Francis]

Interesting! Do people do that? It never occurred to me, but I think it makes sense.

I think it will definitely make you stand out if the sex also was good, as probably no other guy ever did a recap with her to find out what she liked or didn't like.

I think it's more common in kinky dynamics beyond my experience if you are really pushing her comfort zone, like degrading, bondage, ignoring her resistance but not to the point of reaching a safe word, etc.. I've never really actively probed for either positives or negatives, but should probably try it (ideally in person pillow talk after giving it some cool down time).

I have had girls comment on positives and have followed the conversational threads, which gets her horny or caps off the interaction with a high note.

This is the closest I've come to discussing negatives (this week). Firsthand feedback seems like a good idea to improve. Even if it's little things that weren't that bad but could be opportunities.

Her: Thank you. You are awesome.

Her: It almost seems like you kind of hate me. Or are you performing a kind of experiment on me?

Me: What exactly gave you that idea... All the cuddling? Or the kissing

Her: Lol. I don't know. I thought I saw disdain on your face.

Me: Really, at what point?

Her: You definitely showed me more affection than disdain.
Made me overly analytical.
The disdain was glimpsed while we were role playing so I am sure was part of the proceedings.

Me: Really, during which part??

Her: When I was holding your dick in my mouth, looking into your eyes.

Me: Lol really. I was extra focused on not cumming, breathing slow and everything. The reason I did that was to desensitize so I'd last longer

Her: I get it. Of course. I found that look on your face, and everything you instructed me to do extremely hot. Teasing me with your dick then made me quiver in orgasms.

Me: Oh yes that felt very nice. So you liked the look of disdain?
I enjoyed leading you on your knees by your hair like a leash

Her: The fierce look in your eyes was in keeping with how you pushed me up against the wall and restrained my arms at various points. I loved it. Untying your shoes, crawling.
Using my hair as a leash was brilliant. I loved that too.

Me: Good, well I surely did not feel anything negative towards you. Perhaps something related to you being my slave, completely under my control

Her: Perfect. I'm hoping you can crawl in bed with me late at night, as we discussed, soon. Or we can enact more master/slave scenarios.
Hopefully all of the above.

Me: I think we can schedule it all.

Her: Wonderful. I'm excited.

 

[DArtagnan]

This is the closest I've come to discussing negatives (this week).

You're awesome, @KJ Francis.

I've got to stop reading reports on this forum, it's like reading good erotic novels. It's messing up with my mind.

 

[KJ Francis]

You're awesome, @KJ Francis.

I've got to stop reading reports on this forum, it's like reading good erotic novels. It's messing up with my mind.

You can do it too man! The teasing technique is called Taoist thrusting. It's in this article.

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I learned about it from a David Shade book. In this case she was bent forward over the bed, feet on the floor, wrists held down at her sides. His stuff is pretty good for helping shift your mindsets in general.

 

[Marty]

She has to feel like she is winning you over

@KJ Francis. I've seen you post in several places an idea (at least, I think all the below refer to a single concept) which is variously phrased as:

• "she is winning you over"
• "winning you over for your sexual mate value"
• "what that does to her in terms of your sexual mate value"
• "screening her ... to earn your lover value"

etc.

Could you elaborate on this concept, please? Is it your own invention? If not, could you post the source if you have one?

It didn't really get my attention until now, but I am intrigued because I received some recent advice from @Skills that seems to imply something similar, or at least related. I'm sure that I don't fully understand this concept.

Thank you.
-Marty

 

[KJ Francis]

@KJ Francis. I've seen you post in several places an idea (at least, I think all the below refer to a single concept) which is variously phrased as:

• "she is winning you over"
• "winning you over for your sexual mate value"
• "what that does to her in terms of your sexual mate value"
• "screening her ... to earn your lover value"

etc.

Could you elaborate on this concept, please?

Hello Marty! I meant just to make sure you aren't being used for non-sexual value in excess of sexual value, and ideally she's chasing you a bit from you not being too attainable. So dinner bills, validation of her attractiveness, prolonged conversation and company without touching, etc... Essentially ensure she's on board with a non-platonic dynamic as time progresses. So sexual framing, flirting, touching...

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Like removing these variables from your other thread and ensuring she's still into spending time together, just walking in a park or having a coffee or a drink.

The dinner and boat trip were on a Saturday. Sunday in the early part of the day we had brunch on Hare Island at a place she recommended and walked and took photos a bit

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