I've started to take action and make approaches - not a ton yet to be fair - but I figured it was a fair question to ask what normal results are. I mean it'd be weird if I went to my door to door job and they said "just knock 200 doors - then let us know how it goes... and mayyybe then we'll let you know what the top salesman's statistics are. But as long as your happy that's all that matters."
Okay that makes sense
Not saying you should knock on 200 doors and I understand the beginning has tons of uncertainty. As men, we want to make things a certain as possible to be comfortable
However, the reason why ratios are so difficult to pin down for approaching women in daytime settings (daygame) is because there are many variables. This is especially true at the beginning of the interaction funnel (top of funnel).
But since you asked, here are some metrics you can effectively track in daygame:
Hook Rate... how many women do you open actually hook in a conversation?
This number can be significantly improved by working on your fundamentals, target selection, and hook tactics.
Niching yourself down to a target demographic can also help a lot with this. By focusing on a specific group, you'll have a better understanding of their interests and can tailor your approach to be more appealing from the start. If you're achieving a hook rate over 50%, you're doing great
Hook to Isolation... how many of these women do you hook are able to isolate with you?
This could be an instant date or a regular date if logistics aren't ideal. The biggest factors influencing whether a woman will isolate with you are attraction, her availability, and her level of investment in the interaction.
Since you don't have full control over her availability, things can get tricky.
A woman could be hooked and interested in you, but never isolate with you simply because she's not available. You could get her contact information and develop a connection over time, but this approach usually won't be very efficient. So, if you're getting an isolation rate of over 50%, that's also a good sign.
Isolation To Sex Location... how many girls can you pull from a date to a place to fuck
This is where things can really be optimized, and where game comes into play heavily. If you know how to run dates very well and have screened out girls who were unavailable beforehand, you can close a lot of these girls – and I mean a lot.
I'm going to use "Day 2" or "Date" for the following context.
There are some seduction systems based on screening out "time wasters" at the top of the funnel. This way, only the girls who get to this point are completely receptive, and all you have to do is avoid fucking up
On the other hand, there are systems that take a more maximizing approach. These involve getting more girls who are on the fence, and then polarizing them later.
Based on the system you choose and your overall skills, you can expect to close 50-90% of these girls.
Sex Location To Sex... how many girls can you close to full sex at the sex location
Just like before, this ratio can be extremely high or horrendous depending on your overall strategy beforehand.
If you were very sexual in the previous steps and got the girl to buy into the idea of sex before the pull, you can close upwards of 90%. Because they came home with you as a result of wanting sex.
But some systems are not as direct. For example, the Mystery Method had to factor in a process for how to deal with LMR because it didn't focus as much on sexuality.
While more sexual styles rarely face LMR and in fact, in some situations, have girls escalating on them.
So, if you are closing 50-90%+, you're doing good
Again no disrespect because I understand how annoying some guys who post and never take action can be. Always focusing on hypotheticals etc. So I understand where you're coming from - but I am a competent human being who is trying to learn daygame after a breakup. I'm a small business owner in my mid 20's with a ton of friends not some incel lurker guy... no offense to those who might be struggling socially/otherwise or still virgins ofc...
It just puts me off to the forum when beginner questions which seem reasonable are deemed mentally masturbating or dick measuring. Just feels bad faith to me.
My intention wasn't to belittle anyone.
This is just how I personally view the seduction process. Every seducer will have their own approach and metrics.
I didn't cover every single scenario or potential hurdle, but this should give you guys a good starting point for improvement.
I understand the beginning is always the hardest. To be transparent, most guys starting out will need to put in a lot of effort and approach a significant number of women initially
If, after all this, you find your success rate is 1 in 200, please don't get discouraged. Accept it, but also know it can be significantly improved.
Use the above as a guideline and identify where you might be having the most trouble. Post on the forums as much as possible when you encounter situations you can't figure out on your own
By asking specific questions about the problems you routinely face, you'll find that a lot of guys here will support you and give you honest feedback. This will help improve your ratio a lot, but please be kind to yourself
Don't expect to be good overnight and even with the perfect system you need accept that chances are high you'll need to spend a good amount of time cutting your teeth and may still deal with tons of frustration
I'm not here to sell anyone anything but rather set expectations properly for beginners
But anyways, here's a framework you can use in while working on improving your ratio
- Define Specific Problems: You should have a few recurring challenges after a period of taking action.
- Brainstorm Solutions: You can do this on your own or by asking for feedback.
- Test Solutions: Try out the solutions, but also give them time to work. The solution itself may not be wrong, but the execution might be off.
- Measure Results: Did the solution actually work? If not, after a good number of attempts, you may need to move on quickly.
- Reiterate: Go through these steps over and over again.
Wish y'all the best
