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Tribal Elder
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The topic was very specifically randomly approaching random women in daytime. Not ratios in general. The context was defined specifically within this thread.

There was a guy (@isildur1) being mocked and insulted for having a 1 in 30-50 ratio depending on stuff like country, where every detail is specified by him. This is where the entire discussion came from.

You can't mock a guys ratio as being too low, without defining what's normal or high or possible in that context.

NONE of the people who asked what's normal asked about *ratios in general*, nor did they ask for a universal ratio.

Just "If that's a bad ratio, can you tell us what's a decent ratio?". That's all...

And we're getting essays upon essays of why it doesn't matter all the while calling newbies ego-driven dick-measurers and now even "retarded". You can't have it both ways.

To go back to the analogy by @Bob Z, it's like having a sales manager making fun of my closing rate when I do door-to-door sales, but then when I ask "ok then what closing rate is normal, like what do you see otherwise?" then they give me hour long speeches about how it doesn't matter.
Brah! Emotional much, is not that Deep.... Most were not mocking op for ratios, in think they had an issue with the how to guide that was a bit weak... I will post later some posts i made on ratios... I may do a new one cause again people tend to bastardized ratios and use for posturing and marketing....
 

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Brah! Emotional much, is not that Deep.... Most were not mocking op for ratios, in think they had an issue with the how to guide that was a bit weak... I will post later some posts i made on ratios... I may do a new one cause again people tend to bastardized ratios and use for posturing and marketing....
I believe he’s asking for the ratios you can expect with high volume day game. Without ais, or target selection, just flagging down girls you want to approach in a high traffic area.

I don’t know of anyone who does this, probably because it is a low odds route to success and not enjoyable for most people.
 

bgwh

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Brah! Emotional much, is not that Deep.... Most were not mocking op for ratios, in think they had an issue with the how to guide that was a bit weak... I will post later some posts i made on ratios... I may do a new one cause again people tend to bastardized ratios and use for posturing and marketing....
I had an issue with the guide myself. However he was also told that he's unqualified to have an opinion because he "only" lays 1 in 30-50 from volume game.

Yet I've never seen anyone claim a higher ratio from this context. Tom Torrero didn't claim better, Krauser didn't. And even John Anthony the biggest braggard in game history doesn't claim better.

P.s

Not a fan of volume game, I know you can reach much better ratios by being selective, but that's a different thing and comparing apples and oranges.
 

ChrisXKiss

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I believe he’s asking for the ratios you can expect with high volume day game. Without ais, or target selection, just flagging down girls you want to approach in a high traffic area.

I don’t know of anyone who does this, probably because it is a low odds route to success and not enjoyable for most people.
I’ve got to say, that’s what I’ve been mostly going for personally, although not only for daygame, but also for night-streetgame or even nightvenues.

And I do find it exciting to be honest. There is something about going up to a complete stranger without any indication that they may like you, simply because you feel you want to meet them, that gets me fired up.

And the thing is I truly like all these women that I approach. It’s not that I push myself to do volume; the volume simply happens, because when I am out I feel like talking to all of them.

Is it low odds? Hell yeah it is, but I am also pretty low level right now, so I know I can improve them.

When it comes to ratios, I get a lot of married women or women in relationships or lesbians or whatever. And I am not even bothered when they lower my ratio because they do not define my success in game.

Now you could argue that some of them lie to get rid of me or that I should be trying to sleep with all of them anyway. To this I’ll say that after a fair number of approaches, I have started to understand when a girl is serious about her relationship and when it’s a matter of her simply not liking me.

So the first category I discard as irrelevant, and the second is what fuels me to keep improving. And I have seen that even at my level, I can find enough girls interested in me that going through the previous categories makes it worth it.

In the end, I lately feel that about 1 out of 10-12 women I meet like this, will be generally open to me, and with good game I could go far with her.

And for me this is a great ratio. It may sound very low for not even sleeping with a girl for sure, but honestly out of the rest, 8-9 will be pretty fast rejections, so I don’t lose much.

Imagine if I improve my fundamentals and my approaches, and I even get 2-3 out of 10 to be valid options for something more.

To me this sounds great assuming that a huge majority of girls randomly walking around will be out of the market at any given moment anyway.
 

bgwh

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I believe he’s asking for the ratios you can expect with high volume day game. Without ais, or target selection, just flagging down girls you want to approach in a high traffic area.

I don’t know of anyone who does this, probably because it is a low odds route to success and not enjoyable for most people.
I don't like it either. But there's a lot of people following the Krauser/John Anthony approach to things.
I’ve got to say, that’s what I’ve been mostly going for personally, although not only for daygame, but also for night-streetgame or even nightvenues.

And I do find it exciting to be honest. There is something about going up to a complete stranger without any indication that they may like you, simply because you feel you want to meet them, that gets me fired up.

And the thing is I truly like all these women that I approach. It’s not that I push myself to do volume; the volume simply happens, because when I am out I feel like talking to all of them.

Is it low odds? Hell yeah it is, but I am also pretty low level right now, so I know I can improve them.

When it comes to ratios, I get a lot of married women or women in relationships or lesbians or whatever. And I don’t even count them in any ratio because they do not define my success in game.

Now you could argue that some of them lie to get rid of me or that I should be trying to sleep with all of them anyway. To this I’ll say that after a fair number of approaches, I have started to understand when a girl is serious about her relationship and when it’s a matter of her simply not liking me.

So the first category I discard as irrelevant, and the second is what fuels me to keep improving. And I have seen that even at my level, I can find enough girls interested in me that going through the previous categories makes it worth it.

In the end, I lately feel that about 1 out of 10-12 women I meet like this, will be generally open to me, and with good game I could go far with her.

And for me this is a great ratio. It may sound very low for not even sleeping with a girl for sure, but honestly out of the rest, 8-9 will be pretty fast rejections, so I don’t lose much.

Imagine if I improve my fundamentals and my approaches, and I even get 2-3 out of 10 to be valid options for something more.

To me this sounds great assuming that a huge majority of girls randomly walking around will be out of the market at any given moment anyway.
Yep, it's very important for people to remember that we all have different preferences. While I personally don't like the idea of volume game, I can totally respect that it might be the best fit for someone else.

That's why I didn't respect what a previous poster kept trying to push "don't look at numbers, just work on xyz until you're happy", completely forgetting that both of those things are part of a specific method and version of game. There are 20 other ways to reach the same end destination.

We're allowed to prefer different things. Some people act like their way is the only way to get laid or get satisfaction in life.
 

ChrisXKiss

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I don't like it either. But there's a lot of people following the Krauser/John Anthony approach to things.
It’s funny because I’ve never read or followed any material related to these guys haha

I think for me, after I started approaching systematically, it simply became a matter of: “Wait a second, this goth girl is cute, and this businesswoman is cute, and this club girl is cute… I may enjoy sleeping with all of them, so why not just approach and see what happens?”

And the thing is, after you see which approaches end up working, you realise you really never know how well it can go, so it just makes you excited to approach anyway.
 

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I believe he’s asking for the ratios you can expect with high volume day game. Without ais, or target selection, just flagging down girls you want to approach in a high traffic area.

I don’t know of anyone who does this, probably because it is a low odds route to success and not enjoyable for most people.
I wasn't talking high volume spammy day game - was more talking low volume daygame like streetgame in less crowded more neighborhoody areas (like by college campus) or grocery store approaches or beach approaches. That type of thing. Maybe those type of approaches are different odds from each other idk.

Are street stops considered low odds openers inherently? This isn't something I'd heard before. I always heard daygame is king for quality while nightlife is best for efficiency/fun/quick sex. Like if I am walking across from girl on side street around campus area and smile and wave then make direct opener do you consider that the type of low odd high volume daygame that you say nobody you know does?
 

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Are street stops considered low odds openers inherently?
Personally i’d say yes, if that’s your niche you’d probably see better returns with less effort at more stationary places where it’s easier to meet someone.

But this is my observation based on my own experiences and where I find success.

Like if I am walking across from girl on side street around campus area and smile and wave then make direct opener do you consider that the type of low odd high volume daygame that you say nobody you know does?
This involves ai’s and good target selection. If she is engaging with you before you go over and talk to her it is higher odds than catching her off guard before she’s had a chance to evaluate you.

Anyone who does this kind of stuff knows that is not always possible. It is more possible in different venues.

I’m not an authority on these types of approaches and for the reasons I described, going out with the intention of meeting somebody is better spent where you can more easily meet them.

In terms of pure efficiency.

Not a rule by any means if you see someone you want to talk to go for it. If you do it and are happy with your success go for it. If you enjoy doing it and feel you can find a way to make it efficient for you go for it.
 

bgwh

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I wasn't talking high volume spammy day game - was more talking low volume daygame like streetgame in less crowded more neighborhoody areas (like by college campus) or grocery store approaches or beach approaches. That type of thing. Maybe those type of approaches are different odds from each other idk.

Are street stops considered low odds openers inherently? This isn't something I'd heard before. I always heard daygame is king for quality while nightlife is best for efficiency/fun/quick sex. Like if I am walking across from girl on side street around campus area and smile and wave then make direct opener do you consider that the type of low odd high volume daygame that you say nobody you know does?
Volume game in this discussion refers to approaching every single attractive chick you see anywhere regardless of the odds or circumstances, it's not about whether the location has a high volume of foot traffic.

Yes, by its very nature street game is volume game because most girls are not the easy sets. They're walking and trying to get somewhere.

You could walk around the streets for hours trying to procur AIs and limit yourself to only easy high-success sets, but it means you will have to purposefully not approach most hot girls. That kind of defeats the purpose for most guys into street game. They want to at least try with every hot girl they see regardless of the odds. This is why by its very nature it leads to a low odds, volume strategy.

Now that only applies if you go out with the specific intent "to daygame". Alternatively you might never go out with the intent to daygame and only approach easy sets that just happen organically throughout your life when you leave the house for other reasons. This has a higher success rate. You might end up approaching 2 a week, but they'll be high success rate.

Stores are a bit easier to get higher success rates, because you can take the time to procur an AI and they're not always in a hurry. Grocery stores are in-between, sometimes chicks are in a hurry to grab one thing and run out. Btw, one of the top fantasies for women is to be picked up in a grocery story.

Campuses? I don't see why the odds would be a lot higher, unless you're popular on campus and people know of you, otherwise should be similar to street game.

SEE, it's not the location ITSELF that makes for higher odds.

It's more about whether it allows for things like procurring AIs, pre-opening or building social proof to increase your odds.

The reason some guys can get much better rates in nighttime isn't because night-time is inherently higher-odds. If you treated it like streetgame you might even do worse. The reason some people can get higher rates in a nightclub is because if you're smart you can build social proof, demonstrate pre-selection, become a regular at the place and have people recognize you (etc etc). It's those things that allow for a much better ratio, not the location itself.

The trouble with something like street-game is that if it's a fast moving set and you approach from behind, catching up to her. None of those things are possible. How are you going to pre-open, demonstrate preselection or be recognized as "the regular" on that street (lol).

Something like a beach or a store allows for a bit more of those things. So again, it's about those things increasing odds, not the location per-se. The part where location comes in is that it is easier to achieve those in some locations than others.
 
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