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James Cruse

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I've definitely noticed women getting flakier and flakier... not sure what that's about.
I’ve lived in Australia my whole life and I’ve been on alot of dates with many different girls from different countries and I can count on one hand the number of girls that flaked on me or were even late to a date.

That is - until I went to Colombia. Colombia is FLAKE CENTRAL. Colombians just have no regard for your time, it’s almost comical.

I told them I was Australian and we get places on time and confirmed dates the day of and texted them an hour before to say I was leaving and got positive responses.
Then I get there and I’m waiting 20 mins and I call them and they’re at University or their at home or getting groceries or any number of bs, I couldn’t believe it.

In the Dominican Republic, there was some late issues when I was meeting Dominican people (not on dates though, they were all on time).

Is it possible that Latin American girls are very flakey because I’ve never experienced this before or since Colombia. Even Cuban girls were on time and never flaked.
 

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Au Pairs and university students new to the country are the easiest and generally highest quality girls to game, without a doubt.
The issue I’ve see is - where do you consistantly and reliably find them?

No easy answer here man, just have to put up volume and you'll bump into them. With that said here are some ideas:

1. Online - Met nearly all my Au Pairs lays from Tinder. They often add it in their bio too, so you can prioritize messaging them. I find uni students usually too flaky or unresponsive online (as they have larger social circles) so don't put in that much effort with them.

2. Nightgame - go to pretty and affordable cocktail bars that are near a campus and you'll consistently bump into students. If you want to bump into au-pairs they flock to more "international bars" like reggaeton nights (this is how I met my Ex-MLTR)

3. Daygame - hit on solo attractive, stylish younger girls and a lot of them will end up being students and/or au pairs by default.

4. Wildcard - Social Circle > Not something I've done loads but a lot of au-pairs join Facebook groups to meet up with other au-pairs. If you meet 1 girl who you aren't as attracted to, you could make her your friend, encourage her to bring other friends and be the "cool local guy". Can then take these girls to cool bars and lay the extended circle on auto-pilot. I've done this once where a Canadian girl ended up getting x3 Au-Pair girls on 1 day's notice to join me at a club.

Also disagree with Au-pairs never leaving their house. They tend to be super open-minded and love exploring the city they're whenever they have free time. Just depends on their host family. They're also great to date because they aren't as stressed as professional girls & overall great fun to be around.

You've actually just reminded me how much I like au-pairs and I may seek them out ahahah.
 
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I’ve lived in Australia my whole life and I’ve been on alot of dates with many different girls from different countries and I can count on one hand the number of girls that flaked on me or were even late to a date.

That is - until I went to Colombia. Colombia is FLAKE CENTRAL. Colombians just have no regard for your time, it’s almost comical.

I told them I was Australian and we get places on time and confirmed dates the day of and texted them an hour before to say I was leaving and got positive responses.
Then I get there and I’m waiting 20 mins and I call them and they’re at University or their at home or getting groceries or any number of bs, I couldn’t believe it.

In the Dominican Republic, there was some late issues when I was meeting Dominican people (not on dates though, they were all on time).

Is it possible that Latin American girls are very flakey because I’ve never experienced this before or since Colombia. Even Cuban girls were on time and never flaked.
Yes

South American women are very flakey.

But if you screen well, do a good job before the date (social frame, arousal etc), and you add an interesting date plan to the mix, then you’ll be unlikely to get flakes.
 
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TLDR: The start of the seduction has got slightly harder but the end part of the seduction part has gotten easier.

Honestly with how 2022 has been treating me I take this back...

Genuinely think I just wrote that when I was in the early stages of building momentum and was going uphill

The game is the same (IF you dedicate time to getting good AND cross-game)
 

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No easy answer here man, just have to put up volume and you'll bump into them. With that said here are some ideas:

1. Online - Met nearly all my Au Pairs lays from Tinder. They often add it in their bio too, so you can prioritize messaging them. I find uni students usually too flaky or unresponsive online (as they have larger social circles) so don't put in that much effort with them.

2. Nightgame - go to pretty and affordable cocktail bars that are near a campus and you'll consistently bump into students. If you want to bump into au-pairs they flock to more "international bars" like reggaeton nights (this is how I met my Ex-MLTR)

3. Daygame - hit on solo attractive, stylish younger girls and a lot of them will end up being students and/or au pairs by default.

4. Wildcard - Social Circle > Not something I've done loads but a lot of au-pairs join Facebook groups to meet up with other au-pairs. If you meet 1 girl who you aren't as attracted to, you could make her your friend, encourage her to bring other friends and be the "cool local guy". Can then take these girls to cool bars and lay the extended circle on auto-pilot. I've done this once where a Canadian girl ended up getting x3 Au-Pair girls on 1 day's notice to join me at a club.

Also disagree with Au-pairs never leaving their house. They tend to be super open-minded and love exploring the city they're whenever they have free time. Just depends on their host family. They're also great to date because they aren't as stressed as professional girls & overall great fun to be around.

You've actually just reminded me how much I like au-pairs and I may seek them out ahahah.

Yeah one of my best relationships was one of this but i cut it i don't do long distance(they come and go)... For example in Palm Beach they come from South Africa (gorgeous blondes no kunta kinte girls) to work in "trump golfcourse" or to "work in the boats" i bang a couple of those.... So is also Season dependent and they have also dudes, friendly as well... Ask the dudes about logistics inside info. (also social media)
 

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Honestly with how 2022 has been treating me I take this back...

Genuinely think I just wrote that when I was in the early stages of building momentum and was going uphill

The game is the same (IF you dedicate time to getting good AND cross-game)
no is no the same, again women are not coming out as consistently as before, i mean how many times do i have to repeat that...
 

James Cruse

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No easy answer here man, just have to put up volume and you'll bump into them. With that said here are some ideas:

1. Online - Met nearly all my Au Pairs lays from Tinder. They often add it in their bio too, so you can prioritize messaging them. I find uni students usually too flaky or unresponsive online (as they have larger social circles) so don't put in that much effort with them.

2. Nightgame - go to pretty and affordable cocktail bars that are near a campus and you'll consistently bump into students. If you want to bump into au-pairs they flock to more "international bars" like reggaeton nights (this is how I met my Ex-MLTR)

3. Daygame - hit on solo attractive, stylish younger girls and a lot of them will end up being students and/or au pairs by default.

4. Wildcard - Social Circle > Not something I've done loads but a lot of au-pairs join Facebook groups to meet up with other au-pairs. If you meet 1 girl who you aren't as attracted to, you could make her your friend, encourage her to bring other friends and be the "cool local guy". Can then take these girls to cool bars and lay the extended circle on auto-pilot. I've done this once where a Canadian girl ended up getting x3 Au-Pair girls on 1 day's notice to join me at a club.

Also disagree with Au-pairs never leaving their house. They tend to be super open-minded and love exploring the city they're whenever they have free time. Just depends on their host family. They're also great to date because they aren't as stressed as professional girls & overall great fun to be around.

You've actually just reminded me how much I like au-pairs and I may seek them out ahahah.

Hey mate,

I’m not sure where you live, it must be a small population because I live in a city with close to 3 million people.

To respond to what you said:

Online Dating Apps
I don’t use Tinder or Bumble and when I did, I never saw any profiles that said they were au pairs or international students - it was a lucky dip if the girl looked foreign (hard to tell) or had odd english in her profile (could just be young and dumb) was the only indications of being foreign students/au pairs.

Nightclubs & Bars
This is isn’t great meet them because it’s mostly just normal Australian university students that live with their parents in student bars - they’re the same girls I meet in every other bar/club.
I know what clubs some international students/au pairs go to - but it’s still with other normal uni students and hard to pick them out with other normal local students.

Daygame
That’s how I’ve met most of the international students/au pairs - they are often walking around solo in certain areas and dress different to people from here. But it isn’t really reliable way to target them either.

Social Circle/Facebook Group
I’ve found getting introduced to them at Meetups, through other international students inviting me to parties for school friends & au paur whatsapp groups - where I know people - is by far the best and most reliable way of meeting this demographic.
I’ve met several long term girlfriends this way.
But this is very tough because girls you make friends with eventually go back to their home countries and then you do have to start all over again to develop that social circle or they get permanent citizenship and phase out of contact with those people.

So, there is definately a challenge finding these girls, more than discussed here.
 
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I don’t do night game anymore but I haven’t seen any of my friends who do complain about women being “harder” only that places are sometimes more dead.



NOTE: Most guys would say that online game, and especially Tinder, has gotten harder and I do somewhat agree there. When Tinder first came out it was like “sex on demand” now you must have professional pictures and actually take care of your looks a little.

Daygame was actually harder back in 2009 when RSD was turning every dude into an approach machine and the PUA show was on Vh1. Women started being very skeptical of any dude who would approach her.

A hell of a lot less dudes approaching now.

Maybe this is USA specific but I don’t agree with “a hell of a lot less dudes approaching now” - that’s complely untrue here in Australia.

Also, I can’t understand how that would be the case in the USA, with the ubiquity, popularity and exposure of pickup through television and media was so heavy back then in the US (as you said) that it would “die down” and guys would just somehow “forget” that there were all these methods available to learn to pick up women - it makes no sense and maybe because you’re not going to clubs - you don’t notice this.
I’ve seen AND overheard so many guys spit actual pua learned game in clubs these random guys are not posting in any forums and are unknown to me.

I ALWAYS see multiple other guys doing daygame in the high traffic areas in my city. I’ve never been out to daygame and there wasn’t other guys (that I didn’t know) doing game.

Sometimes I only notice this because I see a girl and a guy walking together and I overheard their convo and it appears like he knows her at first but then I hear they just met today and he’s spitting game.

So maybe guys have gotten alot smoother and it’s harder to see for you because it often looks like they already know the girl from a distance.

In my experience, I can only tell it’s a pickup in daygame and nightgame, if I actually see the approach or overhear some of the conversation or if the guy is running noticably horrible game like standing really far away, she’s constantly rolling her eyes & looking around or she’s actively resisting and trying to get away.
 

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Maybe this is USA specific but I don’t agree with “a hell of a lot less dudes approaching now” - that’s complely untrue here in Australia.

Also, I can’t understand how that would be the case in the USA, with the ubiquity, popularity and exposure of pickup through television and media was so heavy back then in the US (as you said) that it would “die down” and guys would just somehow “forget” that there were all these methods available to learn to pick up women - it makes no sense and maybe because you’re not going to clubs - you don’t notice this.
I’ve seen AND overheard so many guys spit actual pua learned game in clubs these random guys are not posting in any forums and are unknown to me.

I ALWAYS see multiple other guys doing daygame in the high traffic areas in my city. I’ve never been out to daygame and there wasn’t other guys (that I didn’t know) doing game.

Sometimes I only notice this because I see a girl and a guy walking together and I overheard their convo and it appears like he knows her at first but then I hear they just met today and he’s spitting game.

So maybe guys have gotten alot smoother and it’s harder to see for you because it often looks like they already know the girl from a distance.

In my experience, I can only tell it’s a pickup in daygame and nightgame, if I actually see the approach or overhear some of the conversation or if the guy is running noticably horrible game like standing really far away, she’s constantly rolling her eyes & looking around or she’s actively resisting and trying to get away.

james i ran into some australian guys in clubs, they are extremely aggressive and they approach cave man shit(annoying as well)..... In usa is not like this.... Again guys, i know we tend to disrigard geographycal differences as COPE, but they actually do exist....
 

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Maybe this is USA specific but I don’t agree with “a hell of a lot less dudes approaching now” - that’s complely untrue here in Australia.

Also, I can’t understand how that would be the case in the USA, with the ubiquity, popularity and exposure of pickup through television and media was so heavy back then in the US (as you said) that it would “die down” and guys would just somehow “forget” that there were all these methods available to learn to pick up women - it makes no sense and maybe because you’re not going to clubs - you don’t notice this.
I’ve seen AND overheard so many guys spit actual pua learned game in clubs these random guys are not posting in any forums and are unknown to me.

I ALWAYS see multiple other guys doing daygame in the high traffic areas in my city. I’ve never been out to daygame and there wasn’t other guys (that I didn’t know) doing game.

Sometimes I only notice this because I see a girl and a guy walking together and I overheard their convo and it appears like he knows her at first but then I hear they just met today and he’s spitting game.

So maybe guys have gotten alot smoother and it’s harder to see for you because it often looks like they already know the girl from a distance.

In my experience, I can only tell it’s a pickup in daygame and nightgame, if I actually see the approach or overhear some of the conversation or if the guy is running noticably horrible game like standing really far away, she’s constantly rolling her eyes & looking around or she’s actively resisting and trying to get away.


James the problem with your argument it has holes, at least in usa, most guys are game aware, but they have AA.... Most guys will not be approaching plus approaching does not mean anyhting..... Even though australian guys are very aggressive and approach a lot, this does not translate into anything, unless is night game and they are all competing for the same target.... is more causation correlations... But again in my experience guys from australia extremly loud, aggressive, cave man, party types.... Very annoying but i also have a small sample size (what if they were puas in my area from australia sarging on a trip).... What i saw was weak by the way, but they did pull, i did not really care for that loud frat type style... (the look like rsd light).... Also they have the foreign and accent factor (could have helped a lot)
 

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james i ran into some australian guys in clubs, they are extremely aggressive and they approach cave man shit(annoying as well)..... In usa is not like this.... Again guys, i know we tend to disrigard geographycal differences as COPE, but they actually do exist....

The last time I was in America was 2016 and I can tell you - American girls are much easier to close than Australian girls, it’s not even fair how easy they are, in comparison. It was as easy there as it was for me in South America. In saying that, if my Spanish was competant, I would have done better in South America.

So with that said, I see why they may have been going caveman - they just got lazy and knew it would just be so easy to pull these American girls because it really is in conparison to Australians.
I was the the same - I got overconfident because I was hardly getting rejected (by any race) and the game these girls had and their shit-testing was so feeble and easy to sidestep. Their body language was so pronounced and obvious too.
It was a great time and I had so many options at the clubs I went to.

I’m not sure if it’s because American girls have lower standards or are not as smart, it’s hard to tell.

I think this explains why so many Pickup artists are from Australia - Australian girls are ruthless.
 

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london mate, 8 million~
Lol, then how are you specifically picking out girls at bars as being au pairs or new international students - those bars are fill with just normal girl ans normal local students usually so it’s usually difficult to rely on finding them there.
 

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James the problem with your argument it has holes, at least in usa, most guys are game aware, but they have AA.... Most guys will not be approaching plus approaching does not mean anyhting..... Even though australian guys are very aggressive and approach a lot, this does not translate into anything, unless is night game and they are all competing for the same target.... is more causation correlations... But again in my experience guys from australia extremly loud, aggressive, cave man, party types.... Very annoying but i also have a small sample size (what if they were puas in my area from australia sarging on a trip).... What i saw was weak by the way, but they did pull, i did not really care for that loud frat type style... (the look like rsd light).... Also they have the foreign and accent factor (could have helped a lot)

To be honest, the area that you live in, where Australian might travel to are self-selected for not being the wealthiest or most well behaved tourists, so to speak.

If you’re an Australian, going on a holiday to Florida, USA - you’re there to drink and be loose for your holiday while pulling girls, equivalent to your Spring Break.
We all know American girls are alot easier to game and the US is easy to get around due to English speakers.
I know British guys that go on holidays to Florida or Cali - near American Universities and just pull several times per day - it’s just a sex holiday with white girls because they’re so much easier than here or England.

The point being - not alot of Australians travel to Florida to be standard tourists - we know there are so many better options for that all over the world that are cheaper and easier to get to.
 

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Lol, then how are you specifically picking out girls at bars as being au pairs or new international students - those bars are fill with just normal girl ans normal local students usually so it’s usually difficult to rely on finding them there.

Mate I literally started my explanation with “no easy answers” lol. Have to put up volume then filter for what you’re after.

Unless you want to start a bar called “Au-Pair land” please let me know & I’ll start a franchise.


I don’t use Tinder or Bumble and when I did, I never saw any profiles that said they were au pairs or international students

Must be a geographical difference. In the UK girls love adding flags or au-pair especially when from Europe. They see it as “exotic”

I know what clubs some international students/au pairs go to - but it’s still with other normal uni students and hard to pick them out with other normal local students.

You can help this by niching on countries. I can spot an Italian or Spanish girl from a mile away

*shrugs*

Being in Australia I guess you’ll have a lot of girls from South East Asia potentially. So after dating Filipinos you can easily spot them/language for example.

Think you’re looking for a silver bullet that doesn’t exist.but again there’s no easy answers.
eventually go back to their home countries and then you do have to start all over again

For me this is the biggest pro and con of Au-Pairs. They don’t push for too much commitment as they know it will “end” and usually ends on really nice terms where you build contacts in other countries. I still keep in touch with girls from like 3 years ago. One I slept with as recently as 2 months ago when she visited London.

So, there is definately a challenge finding these girls, more than discussed here.

Agreed

dudes, friendly as well... Ask the dudes about logistics inside info. (also social media)

This is useful info. I usually overlook guy au-pairs but they’ll be in the know & will make good friends too. Although from what Au-Pair girls tell me they tend to have terrible game lol.

no is no the same, again women are not coming out as consistently as before, i mean how many times do i have to repeat that...

You’ve definitely been hitting clubs longer than me so have a larger data set to compare from.

But for me in the UK besides the lockdown blip - there wasn’t that much change in the bars I personally go to. But these had “winner takes all” effect in the UK where bad bars shut down and good bars took more business which I know you said didn’t happen in Florida.

Anyway my main point is you can have sex life just as good as previous years if you know what you’re doing & cross game. Which is the same as the main solution of your original post.
 

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ok guys here an example of what i am talking about and why there is a disconnect tldr:

- coach a and coach b partner, coach a think coach b is good at game cause he saw him getting "cute" girls in Asia.....

After 2 years they get greedy and decide lets move to the EASIEST, city to game in whole USA, aka Las Vegas....

Coach b can not get laid in Vegas in 2 fucking months just lol, with women coming to the home in private parties etc.... Obviously coach a is another retard, cause game recognizes game, coach a teaches fundamentals (looks and style) coach b is the actual coach teaching "game" from asia, just lol (white guy in asia game), how many times have i criticize this..

Coach a retarded conclusion is that maybe game is not real crap facepalm...

- Again this is what i wrote up in my videos and this post as one of the solutions, get the fuck out of usa, cause here the game is harder, the days of freebies is over, you actually have to grind and have good game and fundamentals to get laid:


 

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ok guys here an example of what i am talking about and why there is a disconnect tldr:

- coach a and coach b partner, coach a think coach b is good at game cause he saw him getting "cute" girls in Asia.....

After 2 years they get greedy and decide lets move to the EASIEST, city to game in whole USA, aka Las Vegas....

Coach b can not get laid in Vegas in 2 fucking months just lol, with women coming to the home in private parties etc.... Obviously coach a is another retard, cause game recognizes game, coach a teaches fundamentals (looks and style) coach b is the actual coach teaching "game" from asia, just lol (white guy in asia game), how many times have i criticize this..

Coach a retarded conclusion is that maybe game is not real crap facepalm...

- Again this is what i wrote up in my videos and this post as one of the solutions, get the fuck out of usa, cause here the game is harder, the days of freebies is over, you actually have to grind and have good game and fundamentals to get laid:


Yooo I saw this shit homeboy was mad his best friend was pulling shorties and was giving off better vibes. Even their video assistant got laid and that got him mad and kicked them all out lmao. Lot of youtube coaches are a joke.
 

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Guys again, i hate to do this, but i need to know if i am crazy or hallucinating.. St Patrick is suppose to be one of the "party" holidays, yet I could not believe my eyes, another disappointment and hit to night game, i could not believe what i saw, same old same old... I am wondering since the z generation take ubbers and stuff like that, if the crazy astronomically increase in gas prices, ubber and the likes is affecting the whole night game.... Total disappointment, i even took the day off to go out last night, total crap! Just making sure you guys don't think what i said in the op and other post that women totally go out on holidays such as this was not bs... Night and day from previous years....
 

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St. Patrick's Day was awful in New York City for sure. Not sure if it's like this all the time. Nothing but middling white mid to late 20s professional girls and their oofy doof social circle doofs.

It was also Spring Break for all NYC colleges and universities, so there's that.
Yeah but the weekend women came out, i am just done with holiday and seasonal predictions, people just have to keep going out, predicting holidays a waste of my time.
 
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