Atlas' Journal

[Atlas IV]

17 September 2024

I've had a few nice successes recently, but tonight I had one abysmal failure that I want to write out here, not only for my own future accountability but also to show that my seductions are not always perfect.

Went on a date tonight with a girl from cold approach. Buying temperature was high with her, and we really clicked. She had a strong "independent girl" frame that I found challenging to deal with though. Initially, I was quite calibrated and clever in my responses, but as the date progressed (and I got more drunk), my calibration worsened and in the end I completely dropped the ball.

Mistakes I made:
- No plan - I originally planned to just meet her for coffee as a sort of "informational date", but she suggested we go for drinks and I went along with it. I wasn't planning or prepared for a SDL.
- Getting drunk with her - completely fucked my calibration and made me less sharp/eloquent. Alcohol can be a boost or a handicap depending on how drunk you get - I must remember to be more careful with it.
- Getting too silly - after we'd had a few drinks, at one point she mentioned that she was on her period, and I made it super awkward with a bad uncalibrated joke about how now was all I could think about. For some reason I moved the tomato sauce away thinking it would be funny. It weirded her out and just made me look like a stupid drunk ass.
- Buying into her princess frame too much - rather than teasing her for her dominant frame grabs, I jokingly bought into it, kissing her hand, etc. Doing it once as an intentional joke would have been enough, but I really went overboard thinking it would be funny (again, I think the alcohol fucked my calibration here).
- No preparation - I had NO CONDOMS. If you can't fuck her, you shouldn't pull, and if you don't pull, you shouldn't escalate. I should have kept it as a brief informational date as originally planned and ran the proper seduction at another time.
- Once we got to the bar, the date dragged out way too long (1.5+ hours), and the conversation threads turned stale. (This has happened more than once now. I need to be better at leading the date and keeping track of time relative to where the vibe is - always be moving fast)
- Had not rehearsed gambits (tried running the Eight Orgasms gambit but messed it up and it just came off awkward, then I failed to think of a topic to fractionate away with - just very basic lack of preparation)
- In the end I pulled (suggested we go to mine for drinks), and she actually agreed (unbelievable, right?). But I remembered that she was on her period and I had NO CONDOMS. Earlier on, she had suggested we could hang out tomorrow afternoon, so as we were walking away, I changed my mind and said we should hang out tomorrow instead. BOOM! VIBE KILL, instant state crash for her. Wipeout. I knew from the way she said goodbye: "It was nice meeting you". I ain't ever going to see that girl again.

The painful lessons are the ones you learn the most from, so I guess if there's a silver lining it's that these sorts of experiences make me into a better seducer. I still feel frustrated at myself that even after all this time, I still make such basic mistakes. Being an effective seducer is non-stop work: we need to be constantly tightening our calibration and fundamentals, always keep material fresh in our minds, and never stop improving our frame control.

And most importantly: ALWAYS BE PREPARED

 

[POB]

Good news about this experience...100% guarantee you will NEVER do it this wrong again.

 

[gameboy]

I'd have pulled her anyway, you can still have lots of fun without condoms and in spite of period. Done it a bazillion times lol... and if she's having fun she'll be much more likely to want to come back for the real thing.

 

[Atlas IV]

@POB,

Yeah, the more frustrating the failure the more it sticks with you. Also I don't want to blame an external thing for my fuckups, but I DEFINITELY need to be more careful with alcohol. If I'd kept it to just a drink or two (we started with soju, then moved on to beer and then whiskey on an empty stomach...) I think I would have been in better control.

@gameboy,

Agreed, I should've pulled anyway. I was overthinking it.

A lot of valuable lessons were learned for one night. Seduction can be a harsh teacher, but a girl lost today is potentially a girl gained tomorrow.

Onwards and upwards!

 

[POB]

@POB,. Also I don't want to blame an external thing for my fuckups, but I DEFINITELY need to be more careful with alcohol.

See if you can go out and pull consistently without drinking.
It's a great test for your skills.

 

[Atlas IV]

31 Oct 2024

Some thoughts...

Chemistry Gambit
I’ve been using a gambit to great effect recently. It’s the Chemistry gambit by @Skjöldr. I’ve actually been doing something pretty similar for a while now, but the way he describes it makes it super clear.

So far, it’s helped a lot in dispelling LMR. I’ve had a few dates recently where I fast-tracked a little too much (usually I'll meet her somewhere public - go to first venue - bounce to second venue - bounce home, but recently I’ve been bouncing straight from first venue to “a walk” that leads to my place), and this always causes intense ASD LMR).

When she brings up the usual objections about how it’s too fast etc, I run this gambit. So far I haven’t had a girl disagree, and sometimes they actually agree enthusiastically. In all cases, it seems to give her permission to let me escalate to sex.

My other ASD-busting staple is the Comfort & Trust gambit, but I've talked about that a lot already.

Ashwaganda
Been taking 900mg daily for the past couple of weeks. Some things I've noticed:
Pros
- Libido is through the roof. I wake up every day fully erect, and have zero trouble with ED. Also reduces my sex recovery time. Previously I needed about an hour before I could fuck again, but with ashwaganda I'm ready to go again within 15-20 minutes. Erections are really strong too, I've never fucked girls as hard as I have these past two weeks. Just a couple of days ago a girl pulled down my pants and gasped "oh my god, it's so big!". It's incredible. This is definitely not a placebo effect.
- Increased drive for PUA. I think girls can sense that I'm very sexual, and it's having a positive effect on my fundamentals.
- Increased motivation, energy & performance in the gym. I'm really crushing it and noticing the results in my physique.
- Feeling very chilled out, though I have a pretty low-stress life in general so I don't know if it's a factor.
- Improved sleep quality. I usually sleep the whole night through now, assuming I don't need to use the bathroom or I get woken up by my own boner...
Cons
- Too much erection throughout the night. Sounds like a joke, but I'll roll over to my side where my dick is wedged between me and the bed, and I'll start fucking the bed in my sleep and wake up. It's kind of a problem. I'm thinking to reduce to dosage a little, see if it reduces my night-time libido.
- Increased temptation to jack off/watch porn. This is something I've struggled with basically my whole life, and I have it mostly under control these days, but still find myself relapsing every now and again. The frequency has definitely increased since taking Ashwaganda. Need to be more mindful. I'm not getting porn-induced ED anymore though, so it's more about regulating my emotions (the post-porn mood drop sucks and it always ruins my sleep).

PUA Results
I'm hitting a good stride. Haven't really kept track of the numbers, but I think I've laid 8 new girls in the past month, 3 from online, 5 from cold approach.

Definitely facing a lot of LMR though, which I think is due to a combination of things. Firstly, I'm skipping steps in the seduction process. Need to stick to the 3-bounce structure while shortening the time at each date spot. Establishing momentum and the "we're on an adventure together" feeling is key to first date lays. Also, the language barrier is preventing me from properly running my usual LMR-busting gambits, so I'm relying heavily on physical escalation and momentum. Need to learn to communicate the non-judgemental frame in a really simple way that crosses cultural barriers.

Online
Recently been taking another stab at online dating by following a guide that @Warped Mindless mentioned, by a guy called Andy (killyourinnerloser.com). It's by far the most comprehensive guide for Tinder I've ever seen (though I don't entirely agree with his game advice - overly simplified and disparaging of PUA).

Taking his advice, I overhauled my Tinder photos. I hired a professional photographer to do several shoots (which I'm hoping will also help me land some modelling work), and then fed those photos into PhotoAI to generate some truly incredible photos. Honestly I was stunned at the results. I've never had such high quality photos in my life (the guy who develops PhotoAI recently changed the language model and it's 10x better than it used to be).

So now my Tinder profile is super optimized with a variety of interesting, sexy and cool photos.

Has it improved my results? Yes, though not as much as I thought. I'm definitely getting a lot more matches now and with hotter girls. Relative to the effort I spend texting these girls, it's a massive improvement to before (Andy also has a really good texting method that's simple and saves time & brainpower).

I'll be honest though, I thought optimizing Tinder would be the "10x hack" that would make my dating life super streamlined and save me time. In reality though, I think cold approach is still a better use of time.

For one, with Tinder, even with a super optimized profile, you still have to message a TON of girls to get some responses. Even Andy, who has arguably one of the most optimized profiles, says that if you message 50 girls and get 1 date out of it, that's a good ratio. That involves a LOT of tedious copy & pasting. It's a grind. And honestly if I'm going to grind to get girls, I'd rather it be an interesting experience where I'm out having spontaneous interactions rather than typing out boring messages on Tinder.

Also, I came to realize that years of doing cold approach has changed the way I value dates from online. If I fuck a girl from Tinder, I feel no sense of accomplishment. It's like, big whoop, you got laid in the same lazy button-pressing way every other regular guy does.

Did I invest all these hundreds if not thousands of hours into PUA just to get the same results as the next guy? Fuck no. I want to be able to pick up a girl from ANYWHERE and sleep with her. It's no contest. Cold approach is king, and I don't think I'll ever change my mind about that.

Still, there are advantages to online. Having an optimized profile now with high quality photos means I can pretty much hit the ground running anywhere I go. The biggest drawback to cold approach as a traveller, in my experience, is figuring out the best areas to do it in a city you've never been to. Sometimes it can take a while to find the best spots. So being able to line up dates before you even land is a really useful tool.

But it will never be my main focus. Simply nothing beats the satisfaction of meeting a girl on the street or in a bar, seducing her, and taking her home.

 

[Bismarck]

Gonna start lurking on this journal from now on.

Impressive on several fronts, that you smash 8 in a month like it's nothing (without even caring too much to keep track, which means you're not doing this for the ego), but also your incorporation of minimal (only necessary) tech for optimization purposes and not to the extent where it transforms you into an automaton spewing verbiage that isn't yours, and that you enthusiastically support cold approach as opposed to the other forms of game available.

Quick question, JOOC, how old are you, and what kind of work do you do (does it allow you to live anywhere, i.e. fully remote?) also, are you from the UK? And is alleniverson from there too? Feel free to answer me via PM if you do not wish to divulge here for privacy reasons.

 

[Atlas IV]

@Bismarck

Will PM you.

 

[Atlas IV]

17 December 2024

Reading about others' experience with oneitus here has made me reflect on my own struggles to find a girl worthy for seeing regularly over a long term.

I guess this is just a vent more than anything else.

In purely seduction terms, I've been quite successful recently. Laid about 11 girls in the past two months, most of which were from daygame, and banged six of them on the first date. One was an instadate SDL.

These achievements have definitely made me much more confident in my seduction skills.

Yet out of all these girls, there's not one that I'd really consider for a LTR. Not for lack of physical attractiveness (no fatties, most were 7s and 8s, a couple were 8.5ish), just that none of them seemed really interesting enough for me to want to date them outside of sex.

Now this could very well be because of my environment. As most of you know, I live mainly in Bangkok.

For those who haven't been here, here's a brief rundown on the dating scene based on roughly one year of being single here.

The girls basically fall into three categories:

1. Westernized Thai girls (known as "Sai For" in Thai): Girls who reject Thai culture and exclusively date foreigners. Easily distinguished by their westernized (sexy) fashion and makeup, sometimes bleached blonde hair, gym body, fake tits, and decent English skills. Sometimes they are well-educated (though not always). A lot of them come from Isaan (the poorest province of Thailand) or Phuket and often have naturally darker skin than the Thai majority. Every easy to approach, easy to date, easy to fuck. They throw out IOIs to white guys like it's nobody's business (especially if they're with a white boyfriend). My ex was squarely of this category. As it is, I have little desire to date these girls.

2. "Local" girls. These girls typically do not speak English - especially the most beautiful ones (whose social needs are met within their environment). They have paler skin and follow local fashion trends. Aside from a couple of outliers, most of these girls that I've met don't seem to have much in the way of hobbies and interests that don't involve eating, taking photos, or going to night markets (which is by far the easiest place to meet these girls). I'm guessing that the key to meeting the best of these girls is getting into the right social circles, but so far I haven't met any through cold approach who I found interesting beyond their physical attractiveness (indeed the hottest of them are much hotter than any of the "westernized" girls).

3. Sex workers. Probably the girls most people immediately think of when they think of Thailand. That's because most tourists, whether they realize it or not, pick to stay in or near the red light district. Pretty easy to avoid them by avoiding the Nana-Asok area and obviously Pattaya. Literally everywhere else in Bangkok you will find mostly normal girls who have no involvement with sex tourism.

And I guess technically there's 4: internationals. Lots of migrant workers from neighbouring countries like Myanmar and Cambodia (obviously easy targets for cold approach) as well as exchange students and tourists. Not much to say, this is potluck basically. Have had some good experiences with cute Burmese girls who are very submissive and feminine, but I still mostly prefer to target locals.

Anyway, all this is to say I haven't found a category of girls here that I actually would like to consider dating long term - attractive and cool/fun/interesting/educated.

At first I thought the problem was me - that maybe I'm just being overly picky and setting my standards too high. But a recent trip to China and Taiwan changed my thinking on that. Some of the girls I met there are definitely more interesting and more attractive than virtually all the girls I've met here in Thailand.

Of course, there are so many variables to consider here. It could be genetics. It could be that the relative quality of education systems is to blame. It could be the differences in culture (there is less pressure to succeed here than in China/Taiwan). It could be the different levels of economic prosperity/industriousness.

Or it could just be my luck.

In any case, I'm going to be based here for the foreseeable future. Perhaps I'll luck out and meet a really great girl who I can keep as a main, but so far it just doesn't seem like the odds are in my favour (my male friends here seem to be in similar predicaments). I really might have to start thinking outside the box, somehow find the girls who are well-educated or lived abroad but aren't total sluts for white guys. Barring that, I'll see about moving to somewhere like Taipei or Beijing in future.

 

[alexlaguma]

17 December 2024

Reading about others' experience with oneitus here has made me reflect on my own struggles to find a girl worthy for seeing regularly over a long term.

I guess this is just a vent more than anything else.

In purely seduction terms, I've been quite successful recently. Laid about 11 girls in the past two months, most of which were from daygame, and banged six of them on the first date. One was an instadate SDL.

These achievements have definitely made me much more confident in my seduction skills.

Yet out of all these girls, there's not one that I'd really consider for a LTR. Not for lack of physical attractiveness (no fatties, most were 7s and 8s, a couple were 8.5ish), just that none of them seemed really interesting enough for me to want to date them outside of sex.

Now this could very well be because of my environment. As most of you know, I live mainly in Bangkok.

For those who haven't been here, here's a brief rundown on the dating scene based on roughly one year of being single here.

The girls basically fall into three categories:

1. Westernized Thai girls (known as "Sai For" in Thai): Girls who reject Thai culture and exclusively date foreigners. Easily distinguished by their westernized (sexy) fashion and makeup, sometimes bleached blonde hair, gym body, fake tits, and decent English skills. Sometimes they are well-educated (though not always). A lot of them come from Isaan (the poorest province of Thailand) or Phuket and often have naturally darker skin than the Thai majority. Every easy to approach, easy to date, easy to fuck. They throw out IOIs to white guys like it's nobody's business (especially if they're with a white boyfriend). My ex was squarely of this category. As it is, I have little desire to date these girls.

2. "Local" girls. These girls typically do not speak English - especially the most beautiful ones (whose social needs are met within their environment). They have paler skin and follow local fashion trends. Aside from a couple of outliers, most of these girls that I've met don't seem to have much in the way of hobbies and interests that don't involve eating, taking photos, or going to night markets (which is by far the easiest place to meet these girls). I'm guessing that the key to meeting the best of these girls is getting into the right social circles, but so far I haven't met any through cold approach who I found interesting beyond their physical attractiveness (indeed the hottest of them are much hotter than any of the "westernized" girls).

3. Sex workers. Probably the girls most people immediately think of when they think of Thailand. That's because most tourists, whether they realize it or not, pick to stay in or near the red light district. Pretty easy to avoid them by avoiding the Nana-Asok area and obviously Pattaya. Literally everywhere else in Bangkok you will find mostly normal girls who have no involvement with sex tourism.

And I guess technically there's 4: internationals. Lots of migrant workers from neighbouring countries like Myanmar and Cambodia (obviously easy targets for cold approach) as well as exchange students and tourists. Not much to say, this is potluck basically. Have had some good experiences with cute Burmese girls who are very submissive and feminine, but I still mostly prefer to target locals.

Anyway, all this is to say I haven't found a category of girls here that I actually would like to consider dating long term - attractive and cool/fun/interesting/educated.

At first I thought the problem was me - that maybe I'm just being overly picky and setting my standards too high. But a recent trip to China and Taiwan changed my thinking on that. Some of the girls I met there are definitely more interesting and more attractive than virtually all the girls I've met here in Thailand.

Of course, there are so many variables to consider here. It could be genetics. It could be that the relative quality of education systems is to blame. It could be the differences in culture (there is less pressure to succeed here than in China/Taiwan). It could be the different levels of economic prosperity/industriousness.

Or it could just be my luck.

In any case, I'm going to be based here for the foreseeable future. Perhaps I'll luck out and meet a really great girl who I can keep as a main, but so far it just doesn't seem like the odds are in my favour (my male friends here seem to be in similar predicaments). I really might have to start thinking outside the box, somehow find the girls who are well-educated or lived abroad but aren't total sluts for white guys. Barring that, I'll see about moving to somewhere like Taipei or Beijing in future.

Sounds like a good problem to have bro.

Can definitely say I met a lot of category 1 whilst I was out there.

Random tip based on my experience there - try daygaming around some of the English speaking bookstores. I went to a great one (began with a K) and met a half thai/half european girl there who I'm still in contact with now. She's smart, educated, career driven (and super hot, but not in the fake tits/boobs type of way, more of a natural beauty). Maybe I just got lucky, but might be worth giving it a go.

Also helped that I love books and she happened to be carrying a book I read earlier that year when I saw her.

 

[Atlas IV]

Sounds like a good problem to have bro.

Can definitely say I met a lot of category 1 whilst I was out there.

Random tip based on my experience there - try daygaming around some of the English speaking bookstores. I went to a great one (began with a K) and met a half thai/half european girl there who I'm still in contact with now. She's smart, educated, career driven (and super hot, but not in the fake tits/boobs type of way, more of a natural beauty). Maybe I just got lucky, but might be worth giving it a go.

Also helped that I love books and she happened to be carrying a book I read earlier that year when I saw her.

Yeah that's definitely the best kind, always keeping my eye out for "halflings" (lol). The coolest girl I dated here was half Thai/half Russian who grew up in various other countries and was very open-minded.

Good tip. Bookshops are an awesome place to meet girls in general. It's like a filter for girls who are at the bare minimum curious/educated.

 

[Gsi2810]

Amazing journal man... definitely tweaked my game style reading this
If you're into SE girls Malaysia (KL in particular) is very underrated, more educated and polished than Thai girls with better english but girls are conservative it's difficult to get a rotation going (btw no experience all second hand info)
I'm a brown guy and I game in EU (particularly EE) moderate success I have only gamed once in Thailand (phiphi and phuket) but it had only tourists and escorts, I'm surprised I never considered BKK till I read this journal but how are Thai girls to brown guys?

 

[Atlas IV]

Amazing journal man... definitely tweaked my game style reading this
If you're into SE girls Malaysia (KL in particular) is very underrated, more educated and polished than Thai girls with better english but girls are conservative it's difficult to get a rotation going (btw no experience all second hand info)
I'm a brown guy and I game in EU (particularly EE) moderate success I have only gamed once in Thailand (phiphi and phuket) but it had only tourists and escorts, I'm surprised I never considered BKK till I read this journal but how are Thai girls to brown guys?

Thanks man.

Haven't tried KL, but definitely eyed a lot of cuties when I visited. This year I'll be focusing mostly on Thailand and China though.

Don't think race is a big issue, I know a couple of black guys here who are pulling plenty. Just as some Asian girls have a white guy fetish, there are definitely ones with a black guy fetish.

 

[Gsi2810]

Amazing man... I think I'll be around later this year if you're in town let's catch some beers

 

[Atlas IV]

9 February 2025

Didn't sleep much last night. Brain was processing too much.

Chase talked about "breakthroughs" a seducer has when all the pieces come together at the same time. I think that happened to me yesterday.

I had a long and unsuccessful daygame session on Friday. Wasn't in state, and got rejections and ignored. Zilch. Nada.

Went home and read a ton about effective conversation, active listening, emotional connection, and being present. Also read @StrayDog's post about the power of one's walk.

Then, I went out Saturday evening after my hip hop dance class and had, without exaggeration, probably one of the most successful daygame sessions of my entire life (excluding those that got me SDLs).

Had super strong interactions with and number-closed 8 girls, two of whom are among the hottest I've ever closed here through daygame - definite 9s and 9.5s. Girls I didn't even know existed because I hardly see them out except on weekend evenings, dressed to the nines.

What changed?

I've come to realize (again) that daygame is all about state and momentum. And that state and momentum is derived from your fundamentals as a seducer plus being in a mode of sexual desire.

It sounds so obvious, I know. But I see a cycle. What happens time and again is I make great realizations around my game and fundamentals and, after focusing on them intensely for a period of time, level up my game significantly, which then leads to great results, which makes me lazy and sloppy again as I enjoy the fruits of those results and forget about the improvements that led me there.

Instead of solidifying the changes, I slip back into old habits - boring conversation style that I know is bad, fundamentals that I know aren't as attractive. Why? Because it takes a lot of cognitive work to continually keep those habits at the front of your mind.

But I'm resolved now not to slip back again. This powerful reference point reinforces my motivation to make lasting changes to my game that will take me to the next level.

I even think that my recent struggles with LMR are connected to this. I've been so focused on gambits and sexual framing recently, thinking it's the part of my game that's missing, that it's caused me to neglect the equally fundamental part of seduction which is presence and emotional connection through skilled conversation (i.e. active listening) and tight fundamentals.

More generally, I can see that leveling up these skills will have profound effects throughout my life - in social circle, night game, and even everyday interactions.

Feeling energized, motivated, and excited. This is a pivotal moment for me.

 

[Amir]

9 February 2025

Didn't sleep much last night. Brain was processing too much.

Chase talked about "breakthroughs" a seducer has when all the pieces come together at the same time. I think that happened to me yesterday.

I had a long and unsuccessful daygame session on Friday. Wasn't in state, and got rejections and ignored. Zilch. Nada.

Went home and read a ton about effective conversation, active listening, emotional connection, and being present. Also read @StrayDog's post about the power of one's walk.

Then, I went out Saturday evening after my hip hop dance class and had, without exaggeration, probably one of the most successful daygame sessions of my entire life (excluding those that got me SDLs).

Had super strong interactions with and number-closed 8 girls, two of whom are among the hottest I've ever closed here through daygame - definite 9s and 9.5s. Girls I didn't even know existed because I hardly see them out except on weekend evenings, dressed to the nines.

What changed?

I've come to realize (again) that daygame is all about state and momentum. And that state and momentum is derived from your fundamentals as a seducer plus being in a mode of sexual desire.

It sounds so obvious, I know. But I see a cycle. What happens time and again is I make great realizations around my game and fundamentals and, after focusing on them intensely for a period of time, level up my game significantly, which then leads to great results, which makes me lazy and sloppy again as I enjoy the fruits of those results and forget about the improvements that led me there.

Instead of solidifying the changes, I slip back into old habits - boring conversation style that I know is bad, fundamentals that I know aren't as attractive. Why? Because it takes a lot of cognitive work to continually keep those habits at the front of your mind.

But I'm resolved now not to slip back again. This powerful reference point reinforces my motivation to make lasting changes to my game that will take me to the next level.

I even think that my recent struggles with LMR are connected to this. I've been so focused on gambits and sexual framing recently, thinking it's the part of my game that's missing, that it's caused me to neglect the equally fundamental part of seduction which is presence and emotional connection through skilled conversation (i.e. active listening) and tight fundamentals.

More generally, I can see that leveling up these skills will have profound effects throughout my life - in social circle, night game, and even everyday interactions.

Feeling energized, motivated, and excited. This is a pivotal moment for me.

On the sexual vibe, have you ever tried a tantric practice? I used to do it before and I must say, I've never felt a more potent sexual vibe before - and I could bring it out on command when I practiced it regularly.

Now that I've started to pick up meditation regularly, I can already feel some of that coming back. Not only is it easier to feel a sexual vibe when you are relaxed and without tension, but by placing my center of attention on the sexual energy i feel coming just below my naval, I can amplify it, and even though I'm not in the field yet, I can tell how useful this will be.

I was wondering also what fundamentals you think are the most important? After reading straydog's walk post, I watched a bunch of videos of attractive men moving and interacting and I must say, one of the biggest things I noticed was the expressions they would make with their face. There was no stiffness in the way they smiled or used their eyebrows, their general body language was relaxed and content.

Presence is definetly the word in mind here.

What i've noticed in the past with sexual vibe, is that the moment you put urself in that state, everything else just flows naturally from that, down to the smallest intonation of your voice, without concious effort.

Maybe presence and sexual state like you said, are so crucial because they make all the moving little pieces need to do really high level game happen subconciously. def going to keep this in mind

but i think it's more of a balance, iirc there were a bunch of people saying that state is all that matters, but state is useless if you aren't applying the right techniques to begin with. The thing is, if all you focus on is the right techs, then your going to be missing out on key details because you're not present. so maybe its about balancing the two

 

[Atlas IV]

13 February 2025

Shower thoughts.

I think many guys have a misunderstanding about "absolute abundance" and what it truly means.

The way I see it, absolute abundance is not about having multiple FBs on rotation who you can invite over for sex on demand.

Don't get me wrong, that's an awesome result to have and something all seducers should strive for.

But it's not absolute abundance. Because it's something tangible, whereas abundance is a mindset.

If you say to yourself "I have absolute abundance because I have these girls", you will inevitably get attached to them or to the situation. This will cause you to lose the abundance mindset, their attraction to you will plummet, and you will lose them.

Absolute abundance is not about getting your balls drained on the regular by a rotation of FBs.

It's about mastering the art of seduction to the point that you can go out anytime with the confidence that you can bring a new girl home with you or into your life.

And this comes from continually honing the process. Going out, approaching girls, moving fast, pushing it as far as possible, shooting for SDLs, lining up dates - combined with intentional study and reflection - until you reach the point that all the components of seduction, which require massive cognitive energy for most guys, become auto-pilot for you.

That's the north star of PUA. Absolute abundance is not some utopian destination that you reach one day and then you "win" the game, it's a mindset and a goal that you must continually cultivate throughout your life.

 

[Bismarck]

I agree about absolute abundance, but I wanted to contribute another angle.

Because yes abundance involves knowing you can always find another girl.

But at the same time, there is a mindset that is beneficial when you score for example a girl hotter and younger than your normal fare. And that mindset must involve you not being overly fazed by her hotness, freshness, youth, whatever turns you on (all the above do it for me).

Because if you start worrying about retention and making all this effort to make sure you write the right texts and blablabla before closing for the second meet, she will sense it.

If OTOH your mindset remains that you are the prize, meaning, that you are the catch that she should be pining over, and you somehow text her from that position, everything else will align.

I mean don’t get me wrong it’s nice to be able to get new girls, but it’s work. It would be nice to be able to retain the hottest girls. Maybe this is me wanting to get the external validation of being seen with them, but honestly deep down they just validate me to myself, because knowing that I can keep (and make her fall for me) a girl that could have her pick of the litter, is just more validating than having a rotation of average-looking, if fun/good company women.