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FR: Getting the nerves out 1/12

I was watching an RSD video about taking breaks and how that can hurt you. RSD tyler took a month off and could barely approach any girl. I've been in the same boat the last month.

Today I had the goal of going to a library to finish some work and take some sarging breaks. It took like 3 hours to get 6 approaches because I was so nervous (only 3 were direct and other three I couldnt get to direct part). The hesitation was terrible, it's not worth pointing to the interactions, except for girls #3 and #4. Those two girls I had a lot of fun with, first time REALLY being myself within set.

Overview:

I feel stupid starting all over again practicing opening, but things haven't been going well lately and I need to get the energy out. The job search has been terrible so I decided to go for crap office clerk jobs instead and move out. Things hit rock bottom for me: my dreams are delayed, but shit I'm gonna keep going.
 

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FR: Getting My Mojo Back

All it takes is to hit the grind hard to get back from where you fell from!

Yesterday, I decided to got to a whole foods health festival 20 miles away in a different city. That city is in a tech hub in a suburban area. It probably would have older girls because all there is to do is work and live lol!

Whole Foods:

Girl #1: Info booth greeter
I had a terrible conversation about teasing her if she actually uses her products. Somehow, I couldn't shake her off auto-pilot and she probably thought I was a customer having a bad day (not someone who wants to get in her pants). I didn't do the direct part because I didn't want to kill the fun AND there wasn't anyone else talking to her.

Girl #2: Protein shake demo
I was even more rude to this one and the convo went downhill. I won't write more...

Homegoods store

Girl #3: Brazilian :D
I was shopping for some cooking supplies, when I spotted a tan girl 20 ft. away. I didn't give any noticed, but she went up and started looking at cooking supplies in the same "island" I was. I was hesitating all day and didn't jump direct on her (like I normally do) and instad kept looking at the stuff. She went past me, circled around, and came to the same spot.

UM...HELLO, SHE WAS TRYING TO TALK TO ME :D

I opened her about an oven glove and had the best talking to her. I can call it a SUPER green light. I asked where she was from and changed her response serveral times b/c she was nervous. When she was about to leave I went direct and she hooked even more. Here's what I found out:

Brazilian works at Google, lived here 2 weeks, from East Bay. # closed. Indirect direct. Almost TOO into me I didn't want to overdo it! Was funny because she kept saying how much she loved meat! LOL
 

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Online Dating Results

I decided to quit online dating because I do not have enough "good" pictures. I've been on Tinder and OkCupid the last 3 weeks w/ hardly any results. Colt's online openers worked better, but the main problem are my pictures. The attractive ones still don't send me a message back.

I hate to keep saying the same shit over again, but I need to get a job so I have enough money for social circle again. That way, I can take good pictures with other people at exotic locations. I can't wait to get out of my slump...It's absolutely miserable living at home w/o a job.
 

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FR: Funny Story - Asked Out My Recruiter

I went to sign my final employment papers to the recruiter I hired. Its for a crappy office job, but I need to get out of the house more :p

Background:
I was REALLY sick the first time I went in, so the convo was terrible. During our interview, her co-workers interrupted us a couple times to talk about online dating. The recruiter is a early 30s latina with jumbo curves and flashy style (really big heels, highlights, TONS of makeup).

I went in and she was excited to see me. After like 15 min of doing the paperwork, she gave me a drug test and had me put something in my mouth. While we waited, she asked about my hobbies. I said cooking and began showing her pics of food on my phone. She got really excited and I started deep-diving more about what she likes. It seems she’s not into fitness, but only eats healthy food, WTF. She mentioned a couple times how she wants to learn how to cook like me. We do paperwork again and she brings up the subject AGAIN.

I qualified her saying she looked like the typical office worker who ordered takeout. She patronized me saying how CUTE it was that I cooked. I blew it off saying I get that a lot, people are always blown away when I tell them.

So far I have 3 good pieces of info: her relationship status, lifestyle, and where she lives.

I take out my smartphone and look online for cooking classes in our area. As we finished the paperwork, she mentioned for the THIRD time she wants to learn how to cook like me and that it was TOO BAD there wasn’t any places closely. I suggested to be her cooking teacher and we should BBQ together over the weekend.

Her mood turned on a dime to serious and got a response saying she wanted to take a class INSTEAD. I said I could be her French chef, but she couldn’t cover up her uncomfort.

Overview:
I've asked out that type before, they are flirty but when you put your foot down they get nervous instead of turned on. I thought she was in the bag.
 

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BarryS1 said:
latina with jumbo curves and flashy style (really big heels, highlights, TONS of makeup).

My kind of girl.

BarryS1 said:
So far I have 3 good pieces of info: her relationship status, lifestyle, and where she lives.

I figured you had this one in the bag as well. Unfortunately, your environment has the deck stacked against you. In her work environment, she has all the authority and status, while you do not. You need her to find you a job, which puts you at lower status than her, hence, her patronizing.

It's the same reason a female doctor won't get her panties wet over a sexy patient, but will over her mechanic or yoga instructor. One has authority and status in a specific environment, and the other does not.

You did the right thing, you saw the signals and took the shot. In a different environment, it would have more than likely landed.
 

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To be honest, I don't know much about structures in the workplace. I've been in a customer position before and got contact info from the hired gun. Maybe it's because of a more personal type of customer service like getting a job compared to buying a coffee at the store!

Once in awhile I'll here a story on the news about a situation like mine. Maybe a female teacher bangin' the student, but it's hard to tell which party started it. On the other hand, the teachers who are hooking up with the students aren't that hot :p

Yup, gotta keep grindin'!
 

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FR: First New Girl in 3.5 Months

This is embarassing to say, but I have not had a date with a new girl in 3.5 months. This was the Brazilian girl I met two weeks ago at a homegoods store. Definitely the worst date I've ever been on lol! I've been struggling with depression since October after loosing my cool job and my emotional state has been in a roller coaster. That has affected my practice (as shown by my results).

Locations:
We went to a restaurant (Peruvian food) and then a tequila bar.

Let me list the bullet points:
-I kept popping questions
-so many awkward pauses
-she had horrible eye contact
-was on her phone the entire time
-my chase frames disgusted her (love chocolate)
-no sexual tension
-wasn't interested in my sexual franes about Brazil being sexually open in carnival
-couldn't object the age question

Parting ways:
The convo was so bad, I didn't even invite her over to my or her place. I didn't even try pushing for anything it was so depressing. Not even tried for a kiss goodbye.

Overview:
I shouldn't beat myself up too bad, I didn't have the physical reactions from practicing so OF COURSE it turned out bad. Strange how different she was at the restaurant compared to when meeting. At the homegoods store, she was sexual/fun and at the restuarant was as stuffy/boring as my aunt lol!
 

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FR: Worst Night In Ages - almost felt like quiting

As my depression gets worse and worse, so does my performance. I couldn't get out of my head after the date with the Brazilian girl last night. I came home that night thinking I should call it quits.

Series of events:
-Got myself pumped up with music after the date with the Brazilian girl.
-Went out to the mall but couldn't approach.
-Went back to my car and cried for 15-20min about my depression.
-Went home and cried in my room more about how my life hasn't changed much since getting friendzoned 2 years ago.

I’ve been in denial that I can maintain a healthy emotional state while trying to fix my life. The result of that involves 30+ nights of going out myself or with people and not being able to socialize. I saw a video about RSDTyler talking about if you have life problems going on, it can lead to a bad night.

State of action:
-My new job starts on Wednesday as a secretary, so I'll be able to get more social experience again.
-I should be up and running within the next couple of days after that (back to the old me).

Overview:
Looking back over my journal, I've been having problems with emotional state after loosing my job in October. It's been an absolute roller coaster since then and I haven't improved. I want to be an example that you shouldn’t be approaching if you don’t have a balanced life. I didnt encounter this problem starting out, so it has to be my lack of daily inputs.
 
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Hey Barry don't give up brother. You've been through a lot, like surgery etc... and I can tell you that although it may take a littlecmore warming up when you are not in the mood it is worth persevering cos some of the most killer nights happen when your mood turns around. Look I've struggled with depression too, medication didn't work for me so just had to lift myself out one day/one thing at a time... when I think of last year, gf dumped me, went on a series of dates w fatties ans oldies in which I couldn't get it up due to my porn addiction... shit ey, even the worst reference experiences can be replaced by good ones... you can do it brother, just be sure to let people support you when you're feeling down!!
Ray
Edit: Also date with French businesswoman a month or two back went like you described, felt totally beta but shit ey, you put yourself out there, you tried, you sexed it up etc...:)
 

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Hey Ray, thank you for cheering me up. I got my two jobs rolling right now, so the emotional rollercoaster is over, now just hauling ass trying to work!

Now that I got myself on a normal schedule, everything is getting better. I'm hoping to go out this saturday for valentines day and see what I can do!
 

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FR: New Situational Opener

I am getting so lazy these days it's ridiculous. I don't like walking on the street or going to other high-frequency areas like the past. When I was buying groceries at whole foods, I had an ephiphany! I'm gonna use a new type of indirect-direct that I heard on a datingskillsreview podcast from john sinns. I heard it 6 mo. ago, but randomly remembered it while shopping.

Me: Excuse me.

Girl: (Looks over)

Me: Your thingy is blocking the aisle, I can't identify the brand name of that bag of chips.

Girl: (Leaves the aisle)


Overview:
She wasn't supposed to leave, but that's something I'm gonna use for now on. I wanted to call her out and say how rude she is before doing a 180 and saying she's hot! Damn I'm getting lazy...
 

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FR: Superflirt MILF

I was at whole foods today and stood behind a hot blonde, tall MILF wearing a wedding ring in line. I asked to make some space for my drink and she immediately started popping questions. I have never seen a girl hook so hard before! She said she would buy the drink for me since I am only buying one thing. We introduced ourselves and the convo went smoothly.

I said this:

Me: Is that how ppl meet at the grocery store, ask to buy someone's groceries? Like hey you are hot lemme buy this!

She played along with this and when she was gonna pay, decided to ask the cashier to give MY drink to her as a free sample. The cashier brought the manager up and he said the drink can be a free sample. I've never seen a girl get that type of compliance/hustle that hard before.

I asked what her occupation was and she said a limosine dispacher. She said that the weekend wasn't busy at all and the I had a angel face.

Me: Thanks I get that alot

I asked more about her job and she said she was surprised V-Day wasn't that busy.

Me: I guess there's no love in the Bay Area, maybe everyone's hooking up.

She didn't really play along with that one and walked with her outside talking. I said since she got me a free drink that I should get her a donut here sometime. She said she doesn't have donuts plus she has a lovely husband. She greeted me goodbye.

Overview:
I don't think I've encountered a girl this socially skilled before. It was like boxing with Muhammad Ali! It was a fun ride, but it took me by surprise. It was almost like she relished in turning me on with compliments and getting her way with people. Almost like a game..
 

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FR: Reputation Problems In An Old Environment

After class, I decided to go back to an old environment to run errands and study at a public library. The environment consists of a public library across the street from a shopping center (4 department stores and small food places + coffee). During Summer 2014 from June to August, I probably approached 70+ girls there. It is a very busy street, but I hardly ran into the same girl again. I was doing extremely aggresive approaching like ass-slapping, dirty talk, ect so there were several girls that got mad at me and one even threatened to call security.

Area #1 Dept. Store
I went into a target and immediately noticed a girl I approached 6 mo.s ago. She glanced at me while walking by and as I was standing in line, I turned around and saw her glaring at me from behind a line of clothes.

I don't know if this is coincidence, but the manager of the store approached me out of many people walking around and wondered if I needed any help. haha! I remember a lot of employees there from over the summer and a couple were staring at me.

Area #2 Library
As I went into the library, the librarian that I asked out 6 mo ago glared at me. haha! I can't catch a break.

Overview:
I really poisoned the well in this environment. I don't like shopping game anymore despite it's efficiency. I am gonna try Drexel's idea about spotting signs. THAT'S GONNA BE MY NEW ASSIGNMENT TO SPOT SIGNS AND COUNT THEM.
 

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FR: Gym 2/22

I went to the gym today and had a great time. I had to cancel my membership to my favorite one in September after my job ended, so I haven't been to the one near my house since October.

Long story short - I saw a girl looking at me a couple times (45 y.o., insanely tight body, white/tan) in bright peach workout attire.

Main series of events:
-Went by her and asked to work in
-She opened me with a compliment
-Convo 1
-Worked out and came back near her and opened with a comment
-Convo 2 with name exchange/basic info

I was gonna open her right away, but saw she was about to start working out. The equipment I was working on was a large tower with 8+ pieces of workout stuff. I pointed to the pull-up bar and she nodded (indicating I can work in). After my set, she complimented how impressive that was. I said I was lucky my phone holder didn't fall off like usual. She talked about hers, so I touched it and her arm (kino). I made her touch mine as well (kino 2). We made some small talk, then I ended the convo at a high point. I teased her about being a picky customer b/c she researched so much into the arm band. Her reaction was kinda nervous, but excited - she spoke really fast and had WIDE eyes.

I did some dips and came back to her asking if she was done using something. She was nervous, but excited to see me again. I commented how she did those types of cable crunches right. She started qualifying herself saying how:

-She is getting tons of personal training and love blog posts about working out
-In response to my question about why, she said she wants to get back into working out after 20 yr break and get a great body

She started asking me q's about why I'm working out and answered saying I love 5k races and planned a couple this spring. She qualified me saying that was great and she was running a couple too.

I asked her name (Lisa) and she got mine. I ended the conversation early, b/c i was investing more than her. She was sitting down, I was standing.


Overview:
I haven't done that many gym approaches, but the ones I do, I treat like a cold-approach (trying to close). I decided to hold back on this time despite her extreme interest levels. I have a bad habit of jumping the gum, so this time I will ask her out the next time I see her.
 

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FR: Meetup Event

I've gone to this meetup event twice before and got laid from it everytime EXCEPt for now. I went from 8:30-10:30pm and went for several one night stands, but got shut down. After watching RSDJulien's video, it made sense. I should have gone for #'s instead! here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llYI1wECV80. All these girls looked at me first and gave me IOI's.

Girl #1
Dancer girl, good banter. She tried to leave me several times. Hb7 late 20s

Girl #2
Blue dress, her friends opened me to take the pic. The blue dress noticed her ring and said it was a Vick ring. We had dirty jokes for a long time . Danced with her took her outside to smoke. Invited to show her the stadium by driving b/c she mentioned about leaving b/c the place was boring. Screened her she lives with her mom. Sells jewelry. Hella ratchet with tattoos hb7 redhead. 30 yrs old.

Girl #3
Three girls, hit on Stacey ran into her several times. Joked I was the beer whisperer. Hb6 milf blonde late 30s. I danced dirty with her and took her off the dance floor. Slapped her booty several times with the nicki minaj song came on. She wouldn't sit down with me so I left.

Girl #4
Brazilian, Ariana hb7, late 30s. We got bumped b/c we have the light rings. I broke her ring on purpose so I could touch her hand. She was touching me a lot. Lived here 27 years got her exact city and address. She was popping questions too about me. We talked about jogging. I told her we should step outside but she said no. I said now or never and she said never and walked away. I saw her later with her group of friends facing away from the crowd.

Overview:
I feel stupid, I could of gotten four phone numbers! Instead, I was too pushy and wanted too much investment TOO EARLY in the night!
 

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FR: Horrendous Daygaming Skills 3/7

I haven't had a good sarge in about a month, so I decided to run errands and hit on a ton of girls. I went to several stores in a shopping center, but I picked up a nervous/bad vibe early on. I still can't bust through this state control barrier, I didn't feel friendly at all after my ritual. I went out anyway despite having a cloudy head.

I am having the same problem OVER and OVER and OVER again. I can't seem to warm up effectively and I come across weird to some people.

I am not gonna post the interactions because they are SO bad.

The worst one was telling a girl to get off her phone and freaking her out at the store.

Overview:
It's always a gamble going out alone, my mood can swing violently.
 

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I did a lot of stupid stuff on this date, but had a ton of fun! I've been a lazy lump on a log and I'm gonna get back on the horse this week! I lied about my age online saying I’m 26, but I’m actually 23.

I have been talking to this girl from Okc since the second week of March. She canceled on me once, got back to me, so we scheduled a date for a protein shake at a juice spot. On my profile, I have three pictures and a tag that says I hate filling out descriptions. The only reason I got the Okc app is because I wanted to try something new.

She’s 31, blonde, and a personal trainer who power lifts. She probably weighs 180lbs, 5’8’’ and the buffest body with the nicest boobs I’ve ever seen on a girl. She was very guarded until I brought out the fun b/c she came back from a 5 hrs workday. It’s been my dream to date a girl like this my entire life. I was nervous for the date and even stalled my manual transmission car pulling in the parking lot haha! She looked like she could kick my ass, but damn I was turned on!

To put things in perspective how weird this was, I am about 5'8'' and 150lbs. I went through a workout plan, so I don't have any fat. I think she lied about her height b/c I was a couple inches taller.

I decided to meet in her town 30 min away and was planning for first date sex by inviting myself to her place, but she denied it. I joined a gym around that city to get me out of the house more, so it worked perfect!

My state: I am out of practice b/c I haven’t dated a new girl in a month nor approached much. I have serious oneitis for the girl I’ve been banging for almost a month. I was in a groggy mood despite trying my ritual.

My attire: Athletic tank top, short-white shorts, red nike + shoes, and rubber wristbands (looked like a gym rat lol)

The date lasted about 90min, with us going to a juice bar, walking around a shopping center, and going into Kohl’s try try clothes on. The first date was monotonous, but the second part was hilarious (for me).

First part (in order):
-Walking around after getting the protein shakes
-I made her give me sips of the two drinks she bought
-I was teasing her saying it tasted like pepto-bismol
-Deep-dived on her job (I find fitness fascinating)
-Made her sit on a bench with me to talk
-Tried a yes ladder saying how great it was getting time to relax (since she kept going with it saying how busy her week was). I tried for the pull saying we should pick up food from Target and go cook at her house. I got logistics and found out she was free the rest of the day. She said no her house is messy, but I felt weird persisting b/c I wasn’t warmed up yet.

Second part (in order):
-She was very guarded and started getting quite, so I brought out the sexy.
-Heavy kino: I asked to test her grip strength so I told her to squeeze my hand as hard as she could. It wasn’t hard, but funny as hell. She was grunting trying to squeeze it HAHA! I even compared arms with her and made her squeeze mine. She made fun of my fitness terminology like “toned” and “shredded”.
-Qualification: As we passed by a glass store front, I commented how she didn’t look at her own muscles. She said how that was weird when ppl stare at their own muscles all the time. I qualified her saying that for someone successful in bodybuilding that she wasn’t conceited. It seemed to take her off-guard and she went soft for awhile.
-Challenged her: We were crossing the street illegally and I made fun of her saying I beat her running across the street. I challenged her to a footsprint and said if she won I would take my shirt off and do a backflip off a trashcan. She wouldn’t do it! haha!
-Dirty talk: At Kohl’s I commented on the workout equipment is like sex toys for personal trainers. I said she talks like that to her clients, “Oh, baby roll out these knots.” She was gasping and FINALLY seemed to come awake. We had another good dialogue about this.
-We pick out out our workout clothes at Kohl’s and I made us try the dressing room in the lingerie section (she was embarrassed). She was in the stall next to me, but wouldn’t come out to see me in my shorts or let me see her stuff ;’(

We didn’t buy anything, but walked out the store. On the way back, I did another yes ladder asking how great it was to experience the outside. She played along saying walking around and getting the shake really cleared her head. I tried for a kiss in the parking lot by our cars, but she said she didn’t kiss anyone and hugged me instead (I had my hands around her waist then). I told me to squeeze the life out of me, but she kinda got nervous at this, so I said good bye with good eye contact.

Overview:
-I got hung up on too many fitness topics because I enjoy talking about those things.
-Sloppy goodbye and stupid way of asking for a kiss.

I am thankful for the experience b/c I want to date girls w/in the fitness niche. I have a better idea what grabs their interest, what topics to avoid, what gets them hooked, ect.
 

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FR: Old Area

Sidenote:
The last month, I've been looking around for girls who are more attractive than the one I'm seeing from my social circle journal, and I've probably only seen 3-4. This is scary for me b/c this girl is the most high caliber girl I've dated or slept with (she's the most attractive plus secondary qualities). If I don't get any results soon, my brain is gonna make me settle down with her. I find this very annoying that I am developing feelings for her, CRAP. I don't wanna settle down yet, I have so much more to accomplish in the pick-up department.

The approach:
I went to the store to guy Easter stuff and saw a HB9 blonde MILF. She looked at me in a previous aisle and I caught up with her in the next one. There were tons of people around us, but I still opened. We were browsing the cereal bar aisle and we were both having difficulty choosing one.

Me: It's really hard to choose one that doesn't have chocolate.

Girl: Oh, um, yeah! (chuckling) There are some good ones though. Try this one, it doesn't have chocolate (her voice was in a rush).

Me: Hmmm, I'm not sure. It might have SOME chocolate residue in it from the factory.

Girl: Huh? IDK. (Wheeled her cart right out of the aisle).

Overview:
I went back to the same store I went to over the summer with new eyes. I can understand the social dynamics so much better now than before including:
-Body language of girls who are with guys (I guess 3 times and was right EVERY time).
-Girls who weren't sexually available and giving me IOI's like what Drexel Scott was talking about.
-Avoiding the SUPER hot MILFS that gave me so much trouble during the summer.
 

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FR: Out of the break

What happens when you don’t approach or socialize for two months? YOU TURN INTO A SLUG.

That’s what happened to me. I’ve been in an emotional wreck and fixated on the girl from my last LR that I didn’t WANT to approach anyone else. She hasn’t asked for a relationship yet, so I decided to go out there and run errands!

I spent the entire day going to a bookstore, home goods, clothing, the mall, grocery, and department stores for getting my shit together. I took a break to unload at my house, but wow I did terrible.

I made one approach the entire day.

After taking a break, I turn into a newbie and get social anxiety/AA again. I need to go through the process of starting from the bottom - it gets better fast. Here’s what happens:
-Eyes start tearing up
-Face gets red
-Head gets foggy
-I start getting nervous and get sucked into my own world
-I eventually get a headache from the nerves

Overview:
I’m gonna keep seeing the same girl, but put approaching back on the table. I’ve been dating her for over two month and sleeping with her for six weeks - the spell is starting to break. I am thinking about other girls now.

I am gonna approach before picking her up to go hiking.
 
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