Default Daytime Compliment (when dressed plain)

[KJ Francis]

Head-on street stops mainly have to be direct, right?

If you're doing a genuine compliment opener on a girl who's dressed plain, can anyone recommend a default non-genetic aspect to compliment on?

I have AA right now, so it's helpful to have a quick ordered checklist I can run through in three seconds. The thing is, I see some students sometimes who can be the most beautiful girls in terms of facial features, but she's just going to class with her hair tied up. Often these are the girls I'm most floored by i.e. dumbstruck by beauty in the literal mute sense.

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A lot of times it's obvious...
1. Fashion first - I can expand on a genuine, detailed reason for liking a girl's outfit
2. Hair - if she puts care into it, like well defined curls, extra body, super long length, etc.
3. Walk/poise - a very quick thing to notice if it's true
4. Energy - some girls just have a striking look on their face sometimes

So if a girl doesn't happen to be walking sexy giving off a great energy at that moment, but is still strikingly gorgeous, after running through these four things in my head, she's then passed me. What's #5?

I could simply say energy and mean it, but that's just saying she's pretty if it's not caused by her poise or mannerisms.

 

[KJ Francis]

going to tag a few guys from the journals etc @AspiringStoic @bkw @Sidhrnsksijf @thats_a_penis_disgustang

 

[OldGuy]

Head-on just say "Hello". If she lights up start talking.

 

[Atlas IV]

'Hi, excuse me, I just saw you over there and... I had to come and tell you that... you have this very understated beauty. I can't put my finger on it, but there's something that drew my attention to you. Hi, I'm Francis."

Maybe something like that. Or even Gunwitch's classic "You look like my ex girlfriend, only there's a different energy behind your eyes." It's cheesy, but works like a charm when your mind is blank.

 

[bkw]

Yeah, you can compliment/point-out something she is wearing, or doing, etc.

@Atlas IV opener is good.

Go in with conviction, not weak or she may not stop or listen. Make sure to smile, warm energy, strong eye contact.

Beyond the advice given at Girls Chase, there is PLENTY of daygame opener advice on youtube, and a lot of it is similar to what atlas has said, which works. But you have to go in with conviction and warm energy, etc., or it won't really matter what you say.

 

[James D]

@KJ Francis

You can still compliment her on her energy even if she's not giving any particular great energy off.

Maybe what's so fascinating about her energy is that you can't quite put your finger on it.

You can approach with that "there's something about you..." vibe, with your eyes soft, a small smile on your face as you scrutinize her and try to make sense of what draws you so much to this girl.

Like when you encounter a painting that you don't quite understand but can't take your eyes off either.

giving off a great energy at that moment, but is still strikingly gorgeous

Telling her she's strikingly gorgeous with infectious energy on your end is sufficient enough to open as well.

Perhaps infectious energy is a good default to aim at?

That is quite state dependent of course but day game street stops do depend a lot on state.

 

[Stark]

I prefer to go in without a pre-planned opener in such situations.

I would start saying something generic however, once she’s right in front of me, I would notice something very specific to her.

I would capitalise on that. For example, a few days back , I was talking to a friend in a parking lot when a girl parked her bike right next to us.

I realised I have about 3 seconds to say something before she park her bike and head off. I started saying something about her leopard print top and had her looking at me. Then I realised she has such striking brown eyes. I moved closer and said ‘Your eyes…wow they are brown..goes very well with your leopard print top’

The effect was much better than if I stuck to my generic opener.

 

[KJ Francis]

just say "Hello"

can't put my finger on it, but there's something

Go in with conviction

"there's something about you..." vibe

infectious energy

start saying something generic however, once she’s right in front of me, I would notice something very specific

Great replies guys - thanks for the tips!!

I guess if she's got nothing else noteworthy, but I'm still so drawn to her - best to just step into that, feel and express it, while not falling over her by any means... though lean into the curiosity.

 

[Sidhrnsksijf]

Hope I jumped in on time. Sounds like the issue is your trying to compliment her on something you don’t feel genuinely about and it’s leaking out. You come across less certain, and she can smell it a mile away.

You want to let her know she caught your eye, without it being because of fashion or hairstyle choice.

Besides what everyone else said, and since it’s college girls, you could say “I’m guessing your a <name of college> girl, but you just had a different energy and I had to come and meet you” or something along the lines. You are certain she is that college student (and if she’s not, she’ll laugh and correct you) and she different from the rest.
Bonus she might feel special.

 

[Karea Ricardus D.]

I'm totally against improvising the opener until you're properly warmed up do the same thing each time... default if there's nothing about her you can just say she looks nice. remember to then say "but..." and qualify

 

[Water]

I'm totally against improvising the opener until you're properly warmed up do the same thing each time... default if there's nothing about her you can just say she looks nice. remember to then say "but..." and qualify

Agreed, in addition, always have 1-3 openers memorized in case. In addition to your primary ones. Sort of like back up openers. Usually simpler ones that are easier to use.

You can’t gather data or tell if you’re making progress if you don’t approach similarly each time.

 

[AspiringStoic]

I'm totally against improvising the opener until you're properly warmed up do the same thing each time... default if there's nothing about her you can just say she looks nice.

I second this. Putting any more thought and deliberation into an opener can freeze you up, put you more in your head or become a fantastic way of igeniously rationalizing not opening her at all.

The opener in my experience does not matter so much. What you follow up with and the ensuing conversation matters more. I would just say she looks nice and then follow that up with a cold read or ask a simple question and then use her answer to cold read something about her.

I like to "settle in" first before employing any game tech. And that settling in portion is just me opening and conveying my intention to speak to her, and showing her that I mean well and passing that "stranger danger" phase where she quickly has to process in her head whether I pose any threat or annoyance to her or whether she can engage with me.

All the good stuff comes after passing that stage.

 

[KJ Francis]

Hope I jumped in on time. Sounds like the issue is your trying to compliment her on something you don’t feel genuinely about and it’s leaking out. You come across less certain, and she can smell it a mile away.

Thanks for chiming in! Yeah that's effectively it... I want it to be sincere and feel that way to her. Even if the girl is dressed in her basic bitch uniform (spaghetti strap top, baggy faded Levi's, and Adidas sambas) her fashion sense does not impress me. Chase's post #3 here further explains the problem.... if there are no apparent "inner aspects" (which can be pretty common if she's just going to class) the reality of it is her genetic, natural physical beauty is the thing that got me... but you lose the game...

Physical compliments also generally do away with any game on your part whatsoever: she knows you want her (you won’t say no to banging a girl whose look you like), but you don’t know if she wants you, and in fact she probably doesn’t yet, since she needs to be seduced. She is the prize, you are the one attempting to win it; it is her game now — and now you must CHASE. Let the pursuit begin!

So even "energy" is just kind of pretending that that I can't quite figure out why she's attracted me... which is not really that sincere. The reality is she caught my eye because she's an obvious scarce genetic resource I subconsciously want to impregnate. So now I have to pretend it's some abstract "energy" thing I can't quite put my finger on.... when in reality I know exactly where I want to put my finger.

 

[KJ Francis]

I'm totally against improvising the opener until you're properly warmed up do the same thing each time... default if there's nothing about her you can just say she looks nice. remember to then say "but..." and qualify

Agreed, in addition, always have 1-3 openers memorized in case. In addition to your primary ones. Sort of like back up openers. Usually simpler ones that are easier to use.

You can’t gather data or tell if you’re making progress if you don’t approach similarly each time.

This is what trips me up about direct day game.... you are sort of forced to skip A2? (and there are very few indirect/situational opportunities in this particular target rich environment... 90% of opportunities are girls on sidewalks, so I have to solve the street stop, even if it's not beginner friendly)

Like Karea, do you mean something to the effect of "but is there more than meets the eye" and start inquiring about her personality traits? Is that what makes direct game more of a numbers game? Without the ability to go indirect until she shows interest and buy time with group theory to show your personality by DHV'ing to her friends, etc., you sort of have to put in the numbers to find girls that already "pass A2" on the opener based on your fundamentals/vibe/opener body language alone?

I would just say she looks nice and then follow that up with a cold read or ask a simple question and then use her answer to cold read something about her.

I suppose that is the answer in these situations where her fashion/hair/walk is nothing special. The opener is more casual and you go right to assessing her. I think it trips me up because again you are showing interest in her before her interest in you has been established whatsoever. You did stop her on the street after all, so you are obviously interested. I guess the reality is that direct day game is going to be lower odds because of this.

 

[OldGuy]

Do not worry so much about showing interest first. For her, she has been passing men who do not show interest all day, so a man who acts already shows his interest is a DHV (compared to other men, and that is what is most important, she wants the best man she can get, you may be a DHV for her, but if you are the best available now, she will go for you).

 

[AspiringStoic]

I think it trips me up because again you are showing interest in her before her interest in you has been established whatsoever.

This is the problem. As long as you are still clinging on to the I cannot show interest first thing, you won't be comfortable and at peace with direct daygame and this affects your micro expressions and vibe for sure.

I see that you are looking at Mystery's Model and feeling that you are committing 'PICKUP BLUNDER 101' by showing any interest in the girl before she shows interest.

But opening direct in a calm, collected and confident manner in daygame is part of A2 (DHVing). Having the balls to open like that is a huge DHV because most guys in the world cannot do that. You have to be able to overcome (not care about) massive social pressure to do that which in itself indicates high value.

And among the ones that can open like that very very few can do it a calm, collected and nonchalant manner.

I guess the reality is that direct day game is going to be lower odds because of this.

This is another argument I have seen been made over and over which again is not the full picture.

Lets break it apart as I see it. Where do guys do direct daygame usually?

Streets, malls, maybe bus stops. And mostly on moving sets.

Lets look at all the things outside of your "Game" that can affect your "results".

- Its a total random sample. So a lot of girls are taken and in serious relationships or marriages.

- Girls who are in a hurry going somewhere, where they just cannot be late to ( or are already running late to.)

- Girls in a completely different mood that is not suitable to have a romantic conversation or any conversation in.

- Girls who have just broken up and do not want to go on a date with anyone as they are "recovering" or "taking a break".

- Girls who are really focused on something else in their lives and do not want to have sex or go on dates at the moment. Though this may sound like a stupid category to a guy. Girls have more problems separating their emotions from sex or even meeting a guy and hence try to stay away from any chance of emotional upheaval.

Now if you look at indirect game, where is it usually done?

Bars, nightclubs, coffee shops, park benches maybe bus stops and other stationary sets in the day.

Now just run through the previous list and you see many of the not in the mood, too busy at the moment objections go away with this subset. Add to that that in night venues there are more likely to be more women who are single or at least open to a sexual encounter.

So is it any surprise that indirect has better ratios??

Most people attribute that to the indirect/direct thing but a lot of it is becuase of the attributes of the sample of girls that are being gamed!

If you stop girls walking down the street and do indirect, your ratios will be mostly the same. And its more socially uncalibrated because chasing a girl down and saying something situational or asking for an opinion makes no sense.

 

[Water]

This is what trips me up about direct day game.... you are sort of forced to skip A2? (and there are very few indirect/situational opportunities in this particular target rich environment... 90% of opportunities are girls on sidewalks, so I have to solve the street stop, even if it's not beginner friendly)

Like Karea, do you mean something to the effect of "but is there more than meets the eye" and start inquiring about her personality traits? Is that what makes direct game more of a numbers game? Without the ability to go indirect until she shows interest and buy time with group theory to show your personality by DHV'ing to her friends, etc., you sort of have to put in the numbers to find girls that already "pass A2" on the opener based on your fundamentals/vibe/opener body language alone?


I suppose that is the answer in these situations where her fashion/hair/walk is nothing special. The opener is more casual and you go right to assessing her. I think it trips me up because again you are showing interest in her before her interest in you has been established whatsoever. You did stop her on the street after all, so you are obviously interested. I guess the reality is that direct day game is going to be lower odds because of this.

What I learned about direct game from a master named TerminateHer, is that you have to drop a hard qualifier after going direct.

And my experiences and Karea agree direct approaches are all about your looks and then vibe. Non-verbal communications.

You are trying to hit A3 sooner, if you’re talking about solid and repeatable game.

Sometimes direct just works and you approached the right girl at the right time and place and she just completely opens up after your direct opener, but that depends on your looks and vibe, like before.

I use direct as warm up approaches or when I’m in state and feel confident I can get a girl, and as a back up opener if my mind blanks. I’ve opened direct so many times I can do it without any thought.

That said, I still recommend traditional indirect.

 

[Skills]

You can open with you seem interesting had to come say hi...you not always have to default to clothing... Hey! Since we don't know each other and we don't have any friends in common i had to come say hi and introduce myself i am Francis...

 

[KJ Francis]

so a man who acts already shows his interest is a DHV (compared to other men

great point - similar to 60 years of challenge idea of escalation itself is attractive... a smooth daytime approach is very impressive. I have definitely noticed it does seem to impress some girls.

I see that you are looking at Mystery's Model and feeling that you are committing 'PICKUP BLUNDER 101' by showing any interest in the girl before she shows interest.

But opening direct in a calm, collected and confident manner in daygame is part of A2 (DHVing). Having the balls to open like that is a huge DHV because most guys in the world cannot do that. You have to be able to overcome (not care about) massive social pressure to do that which in itself indicates high value.

And among the ones that can open like that very very few can do it a calm, collected and nonchalant manner.

yeah this is right on the money. doing a confident yet nonchalant approach devoid of any nightclub social dynamics does put you at a different relative value playing field. I think being quick to tease her also helps with the not taking her seriously aspect. it can spike attraction quickly and I do think you need at least a little interest before it's natural to start screening her.

Most people attribute that to the indirect/direct thing but a lot of it is becuase of the attributes of the sample of girls that are being gamed!

very good point on attributes of the sample. I wonder though if you took the same girl on the sidewalk and put her next to you on a bus ride where you had more time to go indirect, or even let her overhear you talking to an old lady on the other side of you or something... would your odds be better... either way I think it's good to have both tools for whatever situation anyways.

 

[KJ Francis]

drop a hard qualifier after going direct.

maybe I am mixing screening/qualification terminology... can you give an example? I think this is screening/qualifying?

me: (screen) are you adventurous?
her: (qualifying to me) I love traveling and sometimes book last minute trips
me: (qualifying her) oh nice, it can be very exciting and feel so freeing to be impulsive sometimes

what sort of qualifier could feel natural so early in the conversation?

And my experiences and Karea agree direct approaches are all about your looks and then vibe. Non-verbal communications.

ah yeah I should read his x-factor series of articles again

from my limited experience, yeah it does seem the best cold approaches are like where you have an early bubble going on and sexual eye contact, proximity, etc. are building nonverbal tension