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nichodemus

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Oh boy, I have gotten myself into such a huge mess I don't know where to begin.

This situation is spread over 2 years and a bit. I met a girl in the first year, and was interested in her, but didn't pursue her because she had a boyfriend. We became great friends (in my mind), but a potential bf (In her mind). She was sending out all the signals, openly telling me she would date me, hugging me all the time, texting till the morning, blah blah. Well, around half way, we got into a big fight somehow, and we quit contact for a month. Month later, we made up, she broke up, but met a new guy. So for the next half year, both of us were just trying to pursue her. In the end, she asked me out (Terrible, oh Lord save me), and she said she would give me a chance. Well it went well, made out a little, and she said she liked me.

Then hell was raised in the form of work, overbearing parents and what not, and we just broke off. She went with the other guy, and I ignored her for a year, even though she tried to patch up, partially out of jealousy, partially out of consideration for her new relationship. Fast forward another year, turns out she was having a torrid time, guy was a total brute, abusive, yada. Broke up last November, and well, I did want to patch up at least as friends. Yeah, I know we shouldn't get back with our exs, but heck.

So at NY Day, I started talking to her again, texting her and stuff. She responded well enough, and said she wanted to start on a good note with people, especially me. So for two weeks, it was quite well, texting from day to night. She told me about how she was being hounded by the second guy, sending her emails every two hours, contacting mutual friends, and she blocked him. So much for him.

Then I messed up terribly, was flirting with her harmlessly, and not wanting to spill anything, until I accidentally blurted it out. She was right mad, or confused, and thought I had moved on. It was kind of horrible, a little like a repeat of our break up. She just said that she likes me (or at least she's not very sure), but she ''isn't sure about an actual relationship'', and since we were rebecoming great friends, why ruin it? So it was cold war for a few days, and I made the mistake of acting like a lovesick wuss, dropping her texts every so often. It was bad.

She also confided in me something she said she hasn't told anyone. That she has given up, or almost given up on finding love, because of all the hurt she has undergone, bad relationships, and that she doubt she was built for it. She said she hopes she won't wake up one day and regret that it was right in front of her the whole time. What does that mean? Am I just a friend to her?

But well, we patched up rather fast, as though nothing happened. But yeah another problem is my jealousy, I know I shouldn't, but I did make it known to her I was jealous whenever she was with male friends, which is just moronic. Giving her power and all. Urgh. (Good articles btw) And well, she said she wouldn't do anything to pique my jealousy after we quarrelled. but the day before, whilst we were texting, she just casually let it be known that she was on a date, and she was miserable cause the guy was boring, and well I called her, talked to her, and she seemed happy and willing enough to, even whilst on a date. I asked her out, and she kind of agreed, and said she'll find time in her schedule next week. But she keeps insisting on playing games? (Or am I wrong?) We were having a random conversation, and she said she was shopping, but ran out of money, and could easily get a sugar daddy, giggling all the time. It was just awkward, and she apologised. She knows I get jealous, is she playing a game?


Yesterday, she kind of surprised me by asking my boss to take me down to lunch just to meet her (didn't know until I got there) as she worked in the same place before. She was a more than a little flirty, teasing, touchy (swatting, pinching, hitting incessently) so I hope that's good?

I've been trying not to contact her so much to appear needy or so, but I don't know if I can salvage any of that. She clearly knows that I like her, and she can exploit that. Haven't spoken to her for two days, and she hasn't contacted me. I'm afraid that if I don't, she'll lose interest, but if I do, it'll appear needy.

What should I do about this whole mess?
 

nichodemus

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Oh and she also blames me for not being there for her, and essentially abandoning her when her relationship soured. The cheek.
 

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nichodemus said:
Oh boy, I have gotten myself into such a huge mess I don't know where to begin.

This situation is spread over 2 years and a bit. I met a girl in the first year, and was interested in her, but didn't pursue her because she had a boyfriend. We became great friends (in my mind), but a potential bf (In her mind). She was sending out all the signals, openly telling me she would date me, hugging me all the time, texting till the morning, blah blah. Well, around half way, we got into a big fight somehow, and we quit contact for a month. Month later, we made up, she broke up, but met a new guy. So for the next half year, both of us were just trying to pursue her. In the end, she asked me out (Terrible, oh Lord save me), and she said she would give me a chance. Well it went well, made out a little, and she said she liked me.

Then hell was raised in the form of work, overbearing parents and what not, and we just broke off. She went with the other guy, and I ignored her for a year, even though she tried to patch up, partially out of jealousy, partially out of consideration for her new relationship. Fast forward another year, turns out she was having a torrid time, guy was a total brute, abusive, yada. Broke up last November, and well, I did want to patch up at least as friends. Yeah, I know we shouldn't get back with our exs, but heck.

So at NY Day, I started talking to her again, texting her and stuff. She responded well enough, and said she wanted to start on a good note with people, especially me. So for two weeks, it was quite well, texting from day to night. She told me about how she was being hounded by the second guy, sending her emails every two hours, contacting mutual friends, and she blocked him. So much for him.

Then I messed up terribly, was flirting with her harmlessly, and not wanting to spill anything, until I accidentally blurted it out. She was right mad, or confused, and thought I had moved on. It was kind of horrible, a little like a repeat of our break up. She just said that she likes me (or at least she's not very sure), but she ''isn't sure about an actual relationship'', and since we were rebecoming great friends, why ruin it? So it was cold war for a few days, and I made the mistake of acting like a lovesick wuss, dropping her texts every so often. It was bad.

She also confided in me something she said she hasn't told anyone. That she has given up, or almost given up on finding love, because of all the hurt she has undergone, bad relationships, and that she doubt she was built for it. She said she hopes she won't wake up one day and regret that it was right in front of her the whole time. What does that mean? Am I just a friend to her?

But well, we patched up rather fast, as though nothing happened. But yeah another problem is my jealousy, I know I shouldn't, but I did make it known to her I was jealous whenever she was with male friends, which is just moronic. Giving her power and all. Urgh. (Good articles btw) And well, she said she wouldn't do anything to pique my jealousy after we quarrelled. but the day before, whilst we were texting, she just casually let it be known that she was on a date, and she was miserable cause the guy was boring, and well I called her, talked to her, and she seemed happy and willing enough to, even whilst on a date. I asked her out, and she kind of agreed, and said she'll find time in her schedule next week. But she keeps insisting on playing games? (Or am I wrong?) We were having a random conversation, and she said she was shopping, but ran out of money, and could easily get a sugar daddy, giggling all the time. It was just awkward, and she apologised. She knows I get jealous, is she playing a game?


Yesterday, she kind of surprised me by asking my boss to take me down to lunch just to meet her (didn't know until I got there) as she worked in the same place before. She was a more than a little flirty, teasing, touchy (swatting, pinching, hitting incessently) so I hope that's good?

I've been trying not to contact her so much to appear needy or so, but I don't know if I can salvage any of that. She clearly knows that I like her, and she can exploit that. Haven't spoken to her for two days, and she hasn't contacted me. I'm afraid that if I don't, she'll lose interest, but if I do, it'll appear needy.

What should I do about this whole mess?

I have to say, this is a huge mess, mainly because she knows you long enough and you haven't made a move on her. And she giving you chance is that she is heading the relationship, and not you. I don't think it's possible for you to get her at this point. Just cut contact and be warmth if you see her around.

If she insist you go out with her, make it on your terms to have dinner in your place or her place, and just that. Otherwise you be in for another rollercoaster.

Zac
 

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You seem to be jumping in and out of friendzone with this one, and I think that's because she doing all the leading. Remember she asked you out, so she probably doesn't really know wether you said yes as a friend or as a BF. Also I'm guessing you haven't slept with her yet as really you wouldn't be having half the problems your having.

Personally I think you can still get this one as she's massively into you (albeit a little confused) so IMO the tactic would be to be firm, be a man and just take her almost straight to bed next time you see her, otherwise your just going to endlessly go round in circles.

Don't do dates, Don't go out as friends, Go shopping, txt till Midnight. Or any of that it's making things worse.
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

nichodemus

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Thanks for the advice guys. yes, it does seem like jumping in and out, and I'm confused over whether she actually likes me. I'm not even sure if she's deliberately making me jealous, or she's just telling me as a matter of fact. Well she asked me out a year ago, and we only just started talking a month back, so we're rusty and all.

Pardon for asking, but how would you deduce that she's ''massively into me''? Seems like she's just friendzoning me.

PS, Can't sleep with her. Her bad experiences, plus her uber-traditional parents (Which would just end up with her father taking a gun to me metaphorically if I take it too fast. Asians)
 

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was right mad, or confused, and thought I had moved on.

Edit. Was mad, thought I had already stopped liking her and thought I came back to her just to hook up with her again, not to patch it up with her.
 

Light

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My only question to you is.... Why have you not been dating other girls?
You wouldn't give a flying toss about her if you had.

My only advise is, keep her as a friend, and leave it as that. Cut her out off your life you have to.
She's an emotional wreck, doesn't know what she wants, and is just using you as a cushion, because you're the only cushion she got.

Take the advise my friend, I've been there myself. I know what its like. But now I'm awesome.

You can be awesome too!
 

Flames

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nichodemus said:
Thanks for the advice guys. yes, it does seem like jumping in and out, and I'm confused over whether she actually likes me. I'm not even sure if she's deliberately making me jealous, or she's just telling me as a matter of fact. Well she asked me out a year ago, and we only just started talking a month back, so we're rusty and all.

Pardon for asking, but how would you deduce that she's ''massively into me''? Seems like she's just friendzoning me.

PS, Can't sleep with her. Her bad experiences, plus her uber-traditional parents (Which would just end up with her father taking a gun to me metaphorically if I take it too fast. Asians)

It doesnt matter how I know :p unless your talking devout Muslims, then none of the other religions matter and even then... It doesn't matter.... If you want to have a relationship with her that's what you need to do. I'll go as far as to say that's more than likely what she wants you to do.

Otherwise see the posts on Auto-Rejection,

Oh and what Light said, it's decision time.
 

nichodemus

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It's a question I've asked myself a lot. Cause I really do like her, and I don't want to give up. It's not as easy meeting girls now, because I'm going into the army soon, and I'll be away from any potential new mate for a long long time.


I'm getting a few conflicting answers? Am I just a cushion to be used, or is she interested in me? Assuming I can't just bed her (well, not immediately), and I don't want to bail yet, what should I do?
t
 

Light

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nichodemus said:
It's a question I've asked myself a lot. Cause I really do like her, and I don't want to give up. It's not as easy meeting girls now, because I'm going into the army soon, and I'll be away from any potential new mate for a long long time.


I'm getting a few conflicting answers? Am I just a cushion to be used, or is she interested in me? Assuming I can't just bed her (well, not immediately), and I don't want to bail yet, what should I do?
t

Good. Going to the army would be a healthy separation with her. Forget her when you're there.

As for your last question, if theres no sex involved, then you can be sure you're just a cushion. There is a difference between being interested in someone, and actually being sexually desiring for someone. If shes just interested. It doesn't mean anything. It just means she trusts you enough to know you won't hurt her.

Try escalating things with her asap.
Forget the petty talks. You're not someone to listen to her garbage talk about her messy life.
You're someone there to provide for her sexual needs, and if she doesn't dig it, then just forget about her brother.
 

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Right, I'd try to escalate it on the next date.

Assuming bedding is really really out of the question (Conservative Asian society blahblahblah, not many of my age have had sex yet, or even relations, so you can tell we're backward), where should I take it to?

Complete novice here. OK not complete, but still.
 

Light

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nichodemus said:
Right, I'd try to escalate it on the next date.

Assuming bedding is really really out of the question (Conservative Asian society blahblahblah, not many of my age have had sex yet, or even relations, so you can tell we're backward), where should I take it to?

Complete novice here. OK not complete, but still.

The best thing to do is give the message across clear in her head.
No offence, but she sounds like a ditz.. someone who just doesn't understand what is going on.
So you have to tell her straight.

Just say to her "Listen, I like you, and I want you. But if friendship is all you want from me, then we will have to stop getting so close to each other from now on. I don't have time to waste, when I could be dating other girls."

Remember, girls like a man who can make a decision, and stick by his words. Leave the mess to the girls.
 

trashKENNUT

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nichodemus said:
Right, I'd try to escalate it on the next date.

Assuming bedding is really really out of the question (Conservative Asian society blahblahblah, not many of my age have had sex yet, or even relations, so you can tell we're backward), where should I take it to?

Complete novice here. OK not complete, but still.

Careful here. If you Indonesian or those muslim countries that emphasize their laws about men and women strictly, you need to take care of your own backside. As much as we can help you, there's no what the article says "Get Out of Jail" free cards. We don't have them. :) although we wish we have.

Zac
 

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Whatever you do just make a decision and stick with it. Being unsure and wishy washy will make you look weak in her eyes. If she doesnt want a full relationship with you (like you do from what I understand) then start seeing other girls and see how quickly she will change her mind. If she stops being interested still then you'll have a handful of new girls to occupy your time and hopefully at least a few you're into
 

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Careful here. If you Indonesian or those muslim countries that emphasize their laws about men and women strictly, you need to take care of your own backside. As much as we can help you, there's no what the article says "Get Out of Jail" free cards. We don't have them. :) although we wish we have.


Lol, not a Muslim nation. You can probably narrow the countries down then.
 

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Another question, are girls usually this messed up, or have I just encountered an exception?
 

Light

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nichodemus said:
Another question, are girls usually this messed up, or have I just encountered an exception?

Not all, only a few percentage of them. Only negative minded people are like that. Pesismists you call them. Those who only see the worse of everything.
Usually those who listens to too many EMO music, don't have a goal in life, don't know what they want, and those who watch too much Disney (Hint: Those who likes to call themselves "Princess" and expect a Prince charming to save them in reality) ;)
 

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Keep in mind that there are no true absolutes with people, some are fun, some lame, some crazy others chill
 

Garrett

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Nichodemus,

Everyone has provided you with some good insight my friend :). Basically, yes you have messed up and you are aware of that. The important thing is that you learn from this.

As others have mentioned, texting her back and forth, not making concrete decisions, not escalating, being the cushion... it's not good for attraction bro. You want to use texting to set up dates, you want to make decisions, stick to them, and call the shots (you need to lead her). You also need to escalate sexually if you want her to respect you and grow more attached to you in the way you want her to. Also, you never want to be the shoulder to cry on, unless you're happy in the friend zone. Just be conscious of these things, I know it's probably a habit you've developed, and it's tempting to text her and all, but for your own good and to save you loads of time, next time you see her you should escalate sexually. If you don't do it, then you're not helping your cause. If it doesn't work out then cut her, it's harder to do this when you've had feelings for each other for a long time. I tried going back to my ex, and once things started escalating, I stopped it because I wasn't feeling the passion/love for her anymore. It was a dick move on my part for leading her on, and I feel terrible for doing it. That's the result of not making concrete decisions though, if you dump an ex or they dump you, there's a reason for that and obviously the two of you aren't meant for each other so if I were you I'd just cut her off, but if you decide not to, then do yourself a massive favour and engage in a night of pleasure asap! If it doesn't work out (which I feel like I won't at this point), then go meet other girls and you'll meet better, hotter girls who are better suited to you and your needs!

Cheers,
Garrett
 
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