How do you add more man-to-woman relationship in a friendly cold approach

[assman93]

The "friendly" in your title is the point at issue. In general, the stop a girl in the street and exchange pleasantries approach of most day gamers is ineffectual faggotry.

I would advise reducing your sets to girls that excite you on a physical level. From there approach direct and aim for a 3-5 minute interaction. Be sexual, e.g., inquire about her look, compliment here and there, etc. If it is not viable to go on an insta-date (often it isn't), insert a time constraint and get her number.

In the book The Fountainhead, the architect Howard Roark gets rid away of unnecessary embellishments that detract from the purity of his modernist buildings. Likewise, in game you want to get rid of unnecessary friendly banter and go for a polarizing approach that establishes a man-to-woman frame and makes the girl's pussy wet.

This is the difference between cold approach as practiced by your typical virgin day gamer and a Sigma Chad.

 

[Will_V]

The "friendly" in your title is the point at issue. In general, the stop a girl in the street and exchange pleasantries approach of most day gamers is ineffectual faggotry.

I would advise reducing your sets to girls that excite you on a physical level. From there approach direct and aim for a 3-5 minute interaction. Be sexual, e.g., inquire about her look, compliment here and there, etc. If it is not viable to go on an insta-date (often it isn't), insert a time constraint and get her number.

In the book The Fountainhead, the architect Howard Roark gets rid away of unnecessary embellishments that detract from the purity of his modernist buildings. Likewise, in game you want to get rid of unnecessary friendly banter and go for a polarizing approach that establishes a man-to-woman frame and makes the girl's pussy wet.

This is the difference between cold approach as practiced by the virgin day gamer and the Sigma Chad.

OK great so please give us an example of an interaction practiced by a virgin day gamer vs an effective one.

 

[MarioTheDom]

the virgin day gamer and the Sigma Chad.

I've seen only arm chair day gamers writing this stuff but hey, I'm here to learn

 

[HoofHearted]

The "friendly" in your title is the point at issue. In general, the stop a girl in the street and exchange pleasantries approach of most day gamers is ineffectual faggotry.

That's some hateful shit.

I would advise reducing your sets to girls that excite you on a physical level. From there approach direct and aim for a 3-5 minute interaction. Be sexual, e.g., inquire about her look, compliment here and there, etc. If it is not viable to go on an insta-date (often it isn't), insert a time constraint and get her number.

I half agree. I don't really agree with waiting for women that excite you, since I think emotional context and anxiety can shape this. Sometimes you just gotta push onwards and see how you feel, your own emotions are a factor and can keep you lonely out of fear or avoidance. Do agree there has gotta be a draw.

I do agree that same day shit is best, and phone numbers are a tool, and often not a great one.

In the book The Fountainhead, the architect Howard Roark gets rid away of unnecessary embellishments that detract from the purity of his modernist buildings. Likewise, in game you want to get rid of unnecessary friendly banter and go for a polarizing approach that establishes a man-to-woman frame and makes the girl's pussy wet.

Hate Ayn Rand. Have read this book for leisure, it reads like a frigid woman's wet dream.

Agree with removing what is unnecessary. An implication that seems to arise is concerning. Walking around in the day time like you're ready to fuck strangers is relatively absurd. You don't have to 'make her wet' in the middle of Target, jfc. Dont know what a man-to-woman frame is, but agree with letting her know it's a romantic approach. But it kinda sounds like you all need to relax. You can be friendly and chill and do less and get this done, I promise. I would even venture that a less stressful/pressure first encounter is going to make her more responsive if you do need to follow up by phone. When you're in the cereal aisle picking her up, its probably more about subtle intrigue and desire then ramming-cock-in-pussy vibe. You can also bounce around like a clown and get reactions but then when its time to get her out again, no response-- ive done that, too.

Don't know what a sigma chad is, sounds dumb.

But at the very least thanks for making a post interesting enough to respond to.

 

[assman93]

I've seen only arm chair day gamers writing this stuff but hey, I'm here to learn

@MarioTheDom No armchair day gamer, I have in-field experience.

That's some hateful shit.



I half agree. I don't really agree with waiting for women that excite you, since I think emotional context and anxiety can shape this. Sometimes you just gotta push onwards and see how you feel, your own emotions are a factor and can keep you lonely out of fear or avoidance. Do agree there has gotta be a draw.

I do agree that same day shit is best, and phone numbers are a tool, and often not a great one.


Hate Ayn Rand. Have read this book for leisure, it reads like a frigid woman's wet dream.

Agree with removing what is unnecessary. An implication that seems to arise is concerning. Walking around in the day time like you're ready to fuck strangers is relatively absurd. You don't have to 'make her wet' in the middle of Target, jfc. Dont know what a man-to-woman frame is, but agree with letting her know it's a romantic approach. But it kinda sounds like you all need to relax. You can be friendly and chill and do less and get this done, I promise. I would even venture that a less stressful/pressure first encounter is going to make her more responsive if you do need to follow up by phone. When you're in the cereal aisle picking her up, its probably more about subtle intrigue and desire then ramming-cock-in-pussy vibe. You can also bounce around like a clown and get reactions but then when its time to get her out again, no response-- ive done that, too.

Don't know what a sigma chad is, sounds dumb.

But at the very least thanks for making a post interesting enough to respond to.

@HoofHearted "Sigma Chad" effectively describes an archetype. The sigma describes the guy whose independent lifestyle causes girls to evaluate him outside the social hierarchy. "Chad" is an internet archetype of a guy who has sexual success with women. The "sigma Chad" is the idea of a guy who does not quite play by society's rules but has success with women. Increasingly, day gamers are not working on developing any sort of sexual identity as a man and are approaching indiscriminately.

The point of the game is attraction. No, I am not saying that you should not approach in a way that is socially calibrated to the environment. I am saying you should not waffle on in cold approaches. You are aiming for a short thrilling experience with the girl that ends with the two of you exchanging contact information. While sometimes you could spend time with the girl immediately, generally people in ordinary life have things to do.

No, I am not saying you should walk around aggressively. I am saying that you should strive to always maintain a sexual vibe. Having a short bold interaction with a hot woman directed towards a number close is more effective than approaching girl after girl in a listless way and asking inane questions. This is the less is more approach, I promise.

 

[TheEcho]

No, I am not saying you should walk around aggressively. I am saying that you should strive to always maintain a sexual vibe. Having a short bold interaction with a hot woman directed towards a number close is more effective than approaching girl after girl in a listless way and asking inane questions. This is also a less is more approach, I promise.

I mean, this is definitely what I'm feeling, having been trying the longer conversation before number close. I'm very good at talking to people of all ages, and girls get teasing mixed in, but it doesn't seem to help (anymore). All the women in the gym and all ~15 girls where things sparked at least slightly in Europe, they'd go "dry" in minutes, honestly feels like they want to be pulled near instantly.

Still recalibrating my skills, but things go from very positive to ehh pretty quickly now versus 5 years ago.

 

[Will_V]

@assman93 you make some good points but without elaboration they are basically truisms. Let's try to provide everyone with specifics and examples.

@HoofHearted "Sigma Chad" effectively describes an archetype. The sigma describes the guy whose independent lifestyle causes girls to evaluate him outside the social hierarchy. "Chad" is an internet archetype of a guy who has sexual success with women. The "sigma Chad" is the idea of a guy who does not quite play by society's rules but has success with women. Increasingly, day gamers are not working on developing any sort of sexual identity as a man and are approaching indiscriminately.

How does one get evaluated outside the social hierarchy? What signals to women that a man should not be compared to others according to typical standards?

For me, this would be:
- Long(er) hair and a stubble beard (showing I don't belong to some stereotype of a middle class worker drone)
- Slow, sensual and deliberate movements (as opposed to all the dazed scurrying around that everyone is doing)
- A look of bemused self-satisfaction on my face (again as opposed to all the preoccupied, non-present expressions that people are wearing)

The idea is that she feels that I am walking along a different path than the masses, and sparks her curiosity.

The point of the game is attraction. No, I am not saying that you should not approach in a way that is socially calibrated to the environment. I am saying you should not waffle on in cold approaches. You are aiming for a short thrilling experience with the girl that ends with the two of you exchanging contact information. While sometimes you could spend time with the girl immediately, generally people in ordinary life have things to do.

I generally agree with this, most of my approaches that end in success are 5-10 minutes, sometimes far less. And it's a very good point that women have things to do and often won't be able to take their minds off whatever they need to do next. But what exactly to you creates a short, thrilling experience? How do you approach this?

For me, it basically boils down to playfulness. I think this is something women are sorely lacking around the men in their lives. I use a lot of eye contact, a teasing bedroom voice, and use body language to do pushing and pulling, all from the get go. Even when things don't work out I want to leave an impression of my presence that she'll be thinking about for a while.

No, I am not saying you should walk around aggressively. I am saying that you should strive to always maintain a sexual vibe. Having a short bold interaction with a hot woman directed towards a number close is more effective than approaching girl after girl in a listless way and asking inane questions. This is the less is more approach, I promise.

This is very true, so what do you do to maintain a sexual vibe? What makes a question good vs listless and inane?

I already described my sexual vibe so I will say what is a good question. It's a question that asks her to reveal something about herself in a way that she enjoys, in a way that she is rarely given the opportunity to do. That means creating a frame of spontaneity and openness as soon as possible, so I will steer the conversation very quickly toward whatever she finds meaningful, spontaneously satisfying and especially sensual things (such as meditation, being out in nature, creative things such as art and writing, and so on). And away from anything that she would put on a LinkedIn profile.

 

[PaulieFlyn10]

@MarioTheDom No armchair day gamer, I have in-field experience.



@HoofHearted "Sigma Chad" effectively describes an archetype. The sigma describes the guy whose independent lifestyle causes girls to evaluate him outside the social hierarchy. "Chad" is an internet archetype of a guy who has sexual success with women. The "sigma Chad" is the idea of a guy who does not quite play by society's rules but has success with women. Increasingly, day gamers are not working on developing any sort of sexual identity as a man and are approaching indiscriminately.

The point of the game is attraction. No, I am not saying that you should not approach in a way that is socially calibrated to the environment. I am saying you should not waffle on in cold approaches. You are aiming for a short thrilling experience with the girl that ends with the two of you exchanging contact information. While sometimes you could spend time with the girl immediately, generally people in ordinary life have things to do.

No, I am not saying you should walk around aggressively. I am saying that you should strive to always maintain a sexual vibe. Having a short bold interaction with a hot woman directed towards a number close is more effective than approaching girl after girl in a listless way and asking inane questions. This is the less is more approach, I promise.

Alright.. nice tips... a few questions tho

How did you learn day game? Any resources? Coaches?

And how do you create a sexual vibe in a short duration say 5 - 15 mins?

What's your structure or phase of seduction for same day lays?

What does a typical day game interaction in number close or same day lay contain? Teasing? Push/pull?

 

[HoofHearted]

I mean, unfortunate lingo and Ayn Rand references aside, I guess I have to agree. From experience.

I agree you shouldnt approach for the fuck of it. But also not to wait for perfect girls.

I agree approaches are short. Should be streamlined and efficient. Dont do too much.

I agree, maybe, about the sexual vibe stuff. Depending on what is meant.

It all lines up with my experience of cold approach.

 

[Gsi2810]

@Will_V
Awesome stuff man, took some solid notes there. Could you and others help me out with this problem? Often when the conversation is petering out (which is natural the conversation can't go at a 100 all the time), girls will often eject themselves with flimsy excuse like washroom/ friends etc, how does one persist in such a situation? Maybe tell her, cool find me when you want to talk more (makes me seem less needy) and sets the girlchase frame but it probably just end of the road. Anything I can do without seeming like a clingy needy guy?

 

[Will_V]

@Will_V
Awesome stuff man, took some solid notes there. Could you and others help me out with this problem? Often when the conversation is petering out (which is natural the conversation can't go at a 100 all the time), girls will often eject themselves with flimsy excuse like washroom/ friends etc, how does one persist in such a situation? Maybe tell her, cool find me when you want to talk more (makes me seem less needy) and sets the girlchase frame but it probably just end of the road. Anything I can do without seeming like a clingy needy guy?

I pretty much only daygame, and on the approach I try to make sure this never happens in the first place by keeping things short and sweet.

On a date or in the club, you're trying to take her all the way home. So this will happen. For me, I try to manage things in cycles. That means working up to an escalation/high point and then making some kind of transition, usually suggesting we go for a walk or something. I will do the same thing on the walk, and on a high point try to transition to going home etc.

If the conversation does peter out, it usually works for me to actually pull back and just chill, I'll move away from her a little and just gaze off into the distance like I got distracted.

The worst thing is to have her feel like you're chasing, so if things will fizzle out, make it look like you are fizzling out on her, not the other way around. It also makes her realize that she can just chill with you and that she'll have the opportunity to work for you a little. You have to look like you're enjoying yourself but that you're not fixated on her.

In clubs it's a bit harder because of the chaos and distractions. I'm no expert on club game unfortunately, @Fluxcapacitor can probably give you better advice as based on his reports he knows exactly how to keep girls running after him all night even when it's all going down around him.

 

[TheEcho]

Let me add a similar question to the pool: chatting with a girl yesterday, once I ask her to grab coffee, she said she'd like to finish high school first (yes, I'd go older if I could find some, she is 18 though), so I'm like sure no worries. She seemed like her gears started turning and was reconsidering turning things down lol. We were wrapping up, confirmed her name, she confirmed mine, and she kept apologizing and I'm like it's fine lol no worries.

How would you smoothly reopen the door after sailing past a rejection? "Want my number in case you change your mind?" *Teasingly*?

 

[Gsi2810]

@Will_V Indeed I was indeed talking about night time but often in day game too, it feels a bit awkward at times when I know she wants to get away I will try to persist without being needy.
@Fluxcapacitor you got any tips or specific reports for me to read man?

 

[Fluxcapacitor]

Thanks @Will_V dude! I've re read the entire post and you've gave solid advice and thanks for the good write up

@Gsi2810 dude! A flimsy excuse that is an excuse means you've probably messed up somewhere earlier in the interaction though this isn't always the case or the end of it. They may genuinely need the washroom at which they'll usually tell you they'll be 2 mins/be right back and come back. When this happens it's good compliance and investment already, if not it's not necessarily game over.

Telling her to find you later is a good move if she's interested, I'd purposely not say if you want to talk more because of how it frames the interaction, if they want to dance with you you've just dismissed it. Other than telling her to find you (if she's heavily hooked this is a good move) it's best to be cool and tell her to have a good night or reframe it that you're going to find your friends. You can reengage later, usually if they realise you're actually cool (not clingy) they'll signal or even approach you later. Failing this you've just got social proof and pre selection to any girls that seen you talking.

Needing to find their friends can also be genuine, not necessarily game over but it means if you're still in set you'll have to win over her friends. This has it's own challenges.

I'd look at your interactions, if it's petering out it's currently not stimulating or engaging, if she's hooked this is less of an issue. If it's run out of steam you've missed a high point or didn't create one. Missing moments or not creating them are different issues.

If you can feel that the conversation is ending you either need to lead and steer it or preemptively end it with a graceful dismount to keep the door open. This isn't used as an excuse to bail :') for specific reports I posted two Halloween ones last year that might be useful though neither feature these excuses they have friends involved and leading them

 

[Skills]

op no much to add i think @Will_V and @MarioTheDom and @Fluxcapacitor gave you exellent responses, and just like you is something i seen in the community for a while the lack of "man to women" type interaction missing sexual vibe, physicality etc... My theory is guys go into a convo. is going well getting attention and they are scare of "fuck it up" so they go into interview question and fake rapport i totally hate the crap... Also for the practical side take a look at this post i made in reference to this: https://www.skilledseducer.com/thre...rson-gaming-and-digital-gaming-texting.26680/

 

[Gsi2810]

@Fluxcapacitor thanks man took some notes, will check out the FRs too cheers. I think it boils down to not building enough attraction, I had a good conversation, I touched her a bit here and there but the vibe never went to the next level, definitely as a man that's my responsibility but felt as if she wasn't giving me much to work with, my conversation skills can surely use more polishing.

 

[vicknick]

This is not too bad and has the right idea, but it's a bit of a hail mary. She could simply say 'Yeah!' and you'd be wondering what to say next. Everyone wants to be happy right?

I would respond to it with a tease like "did you write them all on little pieces of paper and just pull one out of a hat?' with a smile and a poke in the ribs.

The reason is that she's not investing enough and if you go all in trying to do a cold read after she basically says 'idgaf' it makes you look tryhard.

Something to remember with girls is that what you say doesn't even have to make sense as long as it has the right vibe. You can make nonsensical comments and just stand there smiling at her teasingly while she tries to figure it out. Especially when you are making fun of a boring response.

Thanks for your reply. So if the girl don't invest enough or basically just idgaf, you will ask a teasing question to get her to respond?

Some girls I approached have this kind of attitude, where they just answer with one word, or look somewhere else and playing with their phone while you talking to them.