How doubling my income has affected my seduction/lifestyle (for those of you that complain about money)

[BigPapa]

@Tank you talk and act like a crackhead , then you start contradicting yourself .

If you do not manage to date girls , it does not mean that others can not do this . I by definition am what people here define as sigma , so based on what you are saying I should not be able to get any girls to date me or whatosver , which is quite far away from the truth

Since I stopped partying & night gaming basically , I rely mainly on day gaming where things are not moving as fast as night gaming by default , so usually it is approach -> phone number -> texting -> date between 1 and 5 -> sex . If what you were saying was at least 20 % true , then I would not have any results playing this strategy , but guess what , I do not have any issues , actually the quality increased drastically compared to what i was pulling out from night gaming .

If things do not work for yourself it means that you are doing something wrong , and makes more sense to try to fix it . If you could give more details about your tactics I would be more than happy to give you some tips about how to improve your game . Same thing with @Carousel I think

 

[Carousel]

Agreed . What I don't understand is how people in this industry can talk about having a purpose (helps with women) and also being broke gets you more women at the same time .

A lot of these guys are writing from a Western perspective - being "broke" in the West is not that serious in many cases.
Also there are many missions and purposes that have nothing to do with money.

 

[trashKENNUT]

Agreed . What I don't understand is how people in this industry can talk about having a purpose (helps with women) and also being broke gets you more women at the same time .

I think you linking 'having a purpose' = money.
If we think "linear terms", yes. Then 'having a purpose' is money.

But there are many purposes without money. Me occasionally sharing my blueprint with Girlschase members and they thinking i am retarded is a 'purpose', for me.

Perhaps, think of 'purpose' as something you like and good at. Example: My late schoolmate used to play guitar. He has a great voice. He doesn't have a platform. His platform is only his friends.

So find something you good at or be good at something. Have a platform, friends or family or facebook group. Perform for them. That itself is purpose.

Maybe , the thing could be that people who are born rich or were completely focused on getting high level job never really cared about seduction or even women . I live in India , I know many men who fit in these categories.

Before Coronavirus, everyone looks rich. Influencers travel the world, etc.

During coronavirus, many are suffering. Those without the hype, has nothing, no skills.

Those men that you noted. It's like focusing on getting a job with school. But the market and reality is completely different. Good for me as a business owner. I am selling you shit, like how businesses sell feminism to women.

Ok i end here before i freak out Girlschase members.

 

[Tank]

First note that my original response to the thread was actually positive and encouraging, that actually in the West, being broke gives you absolutely zero disadvantage when it comes to laying hot girls, none whatsoever. Hot American don't give a fuck about wealth, feminism has won there. They just want a guy who is hot and fun. So framing me as the oh no, getting laid is impossible guy is not at all accurate it's rather funny how I said something is not crucial, in fact doesn't matter at all for getting laid, and I end up as the bad guy with the limiting beliefs...

All three of us have fucked loads of women (I'm guessing?) and have known lots of men who have also fucked lots of women so we are all aware of what's possible. I can say with certainty, from what I've observed, and have generally noticed:

1) in the US at least most young women do go to university. The ones that don't are either rural or inner city residents, who most of us wouldn't encounter anyway. Certainly most middle class urban women who are hot are in university.
2) most girls when they are hot, which means 18-23 years old, do have a significant party phase in that time period, and value the yolo lifestyle and love party boys, which is totally understandable. At least in the West. In other countries they have to work a lotwhile they study so it's not feasible.
3) the few that don't are typically quite reserved and would strongly prefer to date within their social circle.

Now I haven't lived long enough in western Europe to comment but it seems pretty similar.

But otherwise I haven't said anything Gunwitch or teevster or anyone would disagree with, in fact Gunwitch talks about this in his programs a lot, she will have a specific logical "type" which is just whatever social value system she has, and if you want a particularly hot girl, you have to navigate this fact, and if you don't have the corresponding status, adjust your game accordingly.

We have all fucked loads of girls so let's not pretend anyone here is saying fucking girls from cold approach can't be done. Or that if you got swag and charisma you can't quickly build status. Or any other strawmen that you are pinning on me.

 

[Carousel]

I can say with certainty, from what I've observed, and have generally noticed:

1) in the US at least most young women do go to university. The ones that don't are either rural or inner city residents, who most of us wouldn't encounter anyway. Certainly most middle class urban women who are hot are in university.
2) most girls when they are hot, which means 18-23 years old, do have a significant party phase in that time period, and value the yolo lifestyle and love party boys, which is totally understandable. At least in the West. In other countries they have to work a lotwhile they study so it's not feasible.
3) the few that don't are typically quite reserved and would strongly prefer to date within their social circle.

Now I haven't lived long enough in western Europe to comment but it seems pretty similar.

Repetition does not constitute proof. Who exactly here of some seniority agree with you?

But otherwise I haven't said anything Gunwitch or teevster or anyone would disagree with, in fact Gunwitch talks about this in his programs a lot, she will have a specific logical "type" which is just whatever social value system she has, and if you want a particularly hot girl, you have to navigate this fact, and if you don't have the corresponding status, adjust your game accordingly.

Let them speak for themselves. Recently I have been discussing with Teevster that both of us actually have quite high social status even when we never really have worked on it, simply as a byproduct of PU.

Or that if you got swag and charisma you can't quickly build status. Or any other strawmen that you are pinning on me.

"Straw man". You wrote this. Which is outright false and a clear example of a limiting belief.

And, generally speaking, as cold approach seducers, we will fall short in terms of virtually every possible hot girl value system.

(and ironically I do well with educated women as I am able to converse about most academic subjects)

 

[Spyce D]

A lot of these guys are writing from a Western perspective - being "broke" in the West is not that serious in many cases.
Also there are many missions and purposes that have nothing to do with money.

Yeah , I think I understand .
Even being a upper middle class isn't optimal here (india) .

 

[BigPapa]

But otherwise I haven't said anything Gunwitch or teevster or anyone would disagree with, in fact Gunwitch talks about this in his programs a lot, she will have a specific logical "type" which is just whatever social value system she has, and if you want a particularly hot girl, you have to navigate this fact, and if you don't have the corresponding status, adjust your game accordingly.

Yes but from girl to girl , her "type" can change drastically . Most of the times her "type" is not super specific , it is something very vague , something along the line "I like guys who are sexy, smart and funny "

Also , a lot of girls are complaining that they do not find interesting guys in their circle , or that all the good guys are already taken and other stuff like that.

In the same time , one of the biggest fantasies that girls have is to be raped by a sexy guy , but no in the sense of actually being rapped but more in the sense of a sexy guy appearing and seducing her and her just "blaming" him for what what happened , because she does not want to be labelled as a whore by society

We have all fucked loads of girls so let's not pretend anyone here is saying fucking girls from cold approach can't be done. Or that if you got swag and charisma you can't quickly build status. Or any other strawmen that you are pinning on me.

Me personally I love women . I have all their albums

I just do not do it for validation ( at least anymore ) , but more because I feel this is the natural dynamic between a guy and a girl that like each other , so I do not agree with statements like " man i fuck a lot of women and stuff like that " .

I think that women should be respected for what they really are ( and accepted for how they are ) , and talking about them like this is super rude & unnecessary

 

[Tank]

I'm even lost as to what exactly you guys are arguing against...

My original point was that hot American women care exactly zero about a man's wealth. That's a positive message so I guess you don't disagree?

That 95% of hot 8+ women are 18-23 is obvious, that the majority of them are in university is a statistical demographic fact of the US. If you have spent any time in American universities you can see quickly that yolo party fatty dj boys are the top status. All of this is blindingly obvious so I hope no disagreement there?

My impression on how 8+ Western euro girls is that they are similar, but I haven't lived there long enough to say for sure. Now considering I lived in the USA for a while and fucked 50-60 or so purely American women I think I can say confidently what they want, at least social frame wise, and indeed the hotter they are the more it's universally the party boy. I would be surprised if it was less homogenous and western euro girls had different types. From what I've seen actually most guys in Europe have less variance in the statistics of the quality of their lays (meaning an American guy will fuck a 5 three 6s, two 7s and an 8 in a year and a similar euro guy will fuck 7 6s, just from what I've observed) league seems more rigid in Europe. But that's superficial observations.

 

[Tank]

"(and ironically I do well with educated women as I am able to converse about most academic subjects)"
Yes me too. I was just referring to hot 8+ women. Obviously those are almost never educated or highly intelligent.

That's part of the confusion perhaps. With 7s and below there's a lot more variability strategies to work with, and general heterogeneity in their beliefs and social mileu membership

 

[Tank]

(my own personal strategy is that in the near future I will focus on fundamentals and more standard game including dates on 6-7s predominantly, while learning Gunwitch techniques to supplement with occasional 8s with sdls and snls, as in that's what I will be working on once the corona restrictions end. This is a necessity because I have empirically found I'm a kneejerk social frame no for 8s, so getting a number will never for work them. Maybe that's why I focus so much on this distinction of 8+ specifically (and not 7+ or whatever) it's in line with my ras about what sort of girls to think about)

 

[trashKENNUT]

Tank, you going many places.

and the message was kinda not clear. at least to me though.

You noting that women don't care about wealth. But then implying they all like frat boys/social circle framework. That's where you start mixing all things like wealth, status and women demographics.

which are independently different and has many pointers alone by its ownself.

Are you assuming my wealth? XD (joke: are you assuming my gender?)

 

[Carousel]

That 95% of hot 8+ women are 18-23 is obvious, that the majority of them are in university is a statistical demographic fact of the US. If you have spent any time in American universities you can see quickly that yolo party fatty dj boys are the top status. All of this is blindingly obvious so I hope no disagreement there?

Yes me too. I was just referring to hot 8+ women. Obviously those are almost never educated or highly intelligent.

What are you talking about here? You say that most hot women are going to university yet they are not educated? Am I misreading?

I asked Teevster about the SDL/SNL debate - he said he prefers nightgame because of not having to deal with texting. And that his view on this has nothing to do with social frame or status. So here you have inferred a meaning that was not there.

Also you mix up social frame with social status. You can have social frame without the corresponding social status. Thus your arguments based on equating them are not valid.

 

[BigPapa]

What are you talking about there? You say that most hot women are going to university yet they are not educated? Am I misreading?

I think he is referring that girls that he labels as "8+" even though they go to university , they are not bookworms as the ones he labels as " 7 and bellow" . I kinda agree with this , because having degree does not necessary makes you smart & girls that are better looking in general have more interesting stuff happening than studying too much . It is a stereotype , but you kinda see it a lot also in the day to day life.

@Tank the woman is in her peek between 23 and 27 ( body & mentally ), as you have quite a lot of "late bloomers" .

The problem with university girls it is not about what you think they are interested in , but rather that you can not access that "pool talent" unless you are there (especially in the usa where most of the campuses are quite difficult to reach by and far away from the city life) . That is a totally different thing all togheter from what you are saying

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

As someone who went to school in a fairly large college town and got a chance to know the sorority barbie types well, if you try to game them in the college town itself, especially at the bars in the area or at any of the house parties (which you would stick out like a sore thumb in if you do not look college), you will fail. In those instances, the pull of the social group will have her going for the fraternity guy or athlete she had her eyes on for months. Now it is not as black and white as you may think, I have known older guys who managed to get with a fair number of these girls and even seen it myself.

They catch these girls on vacation or in the summer interning in their cities. Sometimes, the girl herself is so fed up with the drama of social life in her circle that it actually benefits you to be that sexy outsider. Some of these girls are just itching for a cool guy outside of their social group in the summer to approach them and fuck them, they become even easier because a number of them have felt so compressed by the social politics of their sorority circles. Almost all of these girls have fucked some kind of a foreigner, cool outsider, or older guy and it usually happens in the summer when they are away from the town.

If you are in town, you'll see bar owners and DJs (some of them older) commonly get with college girls, some of them will occasionally be the sorority barbie.

 

[Tank]

Here you go, two people agree that 95%+ of 8s in America have a social frame objection to hooking up with men without certain social allegiances (obviously 8s are almost always 18-23 and the majority do go to university)

 

[Carousel]

Here you go, two people agree that 95%+ of 8s in America have a social frame objection to hooking up with men without certain social allegiances (obviously 8s are almost always 18-23 and the majority do go to university)

Did you even read what I wrote above?

Social frame is not the same as social status ("allegiances").

 

[BigPapa]

Here you go, two people agree that 95%+ of 8s in America have a social frame objection to hooking up with men without certain social allegiances (obviously 8s are almost always 18-23 and the majority do go to university)

Actually what he is saying is that once they are out of the campus , they would be more than happy to be seduced by a guy outside their social circle . But this again makes total sense that a stranger can not seduce them while in campus , because well , the campus is far away from the city life ... It is more a logistics issue...

 

[trashKENNUT]

because well , the campus is far away from the city life ... It is more a logistics issue...

Should not say 'COLLEGE' women.

Because every country and school system is different. and yes, women go to different countries to study.

But Where city life and the college itself in Asia is near.

In Asia, the bullshit women sells is that they don't "hook up with strangers" or "they don't hook up with college guys".

when all I see is they hook up with different types of guys.

 

[Carousel]

I'm even lost as to what exactly you guys are arguing against...

Your low-resolution theories about status. While I view the world in 1024x1024 pixels resolution, your theory on this is 24x24 pixels.

My original point was that hot American women care exactly zero about a man's wealth. That's a positive message so I guess you don't disagree?

Not when the flipside is loads of limiting theorizing about what they care about.

That 95% of hot 8+ women are 18-23 is obvious, that the majority of them are in university is a statistical demographic fact of the US. If you have spent any time in American universities you can see quickly that yolo party fatty dj boys are the top status. All of this is blindingly obvious so I hope no disagreement there?

First, this is projection of your fetish for something you seemingly have a challenge getting (young sorority girls).
Secondly, you are confounding at least three different things here, that is social status, social frame and as others point out LOGISTICS.

My impression on how 8+ Western euro girls is that they are similar, but I haven't lived there long enough to say for sure. Now considering I lived in the USA for a while and fucked 50-60 or so purely American women I think I can say confidently what they want, at least social frame wise, and indeed the hotter they are the more it's universally the party boy. I would be surprised if it was less homogenous and western euro girls had different types. From what I've seen actually most guys in Europe have less variance in the statistics of the quality of their lays (meaning an American guy will fuck a 5 three 6s, two 7s and an 8 in a year and a similar euro guy will fuck 7 6s, just from what I've observed) league seems more rigid in Europe. But that's superficial observations.

Being a "party boy" says nothing about your status - they come at all different levels.
Also you talked about "knowing DJs" - well you can be a party boy and not know DJs or know DJs without being a party boy.
Almost all good nightgamers will qualify as "party boys" - so much for cold approach being useless for this kind of game.

Again, you are contradicting yourself + low resolution theorizing.

 

[Skills]

Hot girls in any country tend to be fairly similar. In the USA 95%+ of girls who are 8 and above are sorority girls in college.

^ that is not true at all..... Things like this is why people are giving you shit!