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Is this pick up fatigue/burnout or I want a relationshiop or I just getting lazy

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Space Monkey
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In past 2 months I have met 8 different women and went on almost 20 dates with them sleeping with 5 of them.

Have talked and chatted many others which did not turned into anything.

Now I don't feel like talking to new womens rather it feels like a chore.

Now what I feel is I want a relationship someone to whom I can talk on regular basis be a normal guy share my problems listen to her and good sex ofcourse.

I can regularly go out without thinking much about being perfectly calibrated.

at this point I don't even want a perfect girl its just someone I am mildly attracted to thats all.

Also, I don't have ambition things like getting a threesome or fucking a milf, which I had when I started this journey.

Though I know I don't have absolute abundance so getting into relationship is not right at the moment.

Also, I am worried that I don't end up getting into ltr which is not optimal for me.

I confused why I am feeling this way?

Do I want a security of a relationship.

do I want to focus on things apart from pick up eg career.

Do I want to get married maybe this why? I am 26 and want to get married by 28 and vet the girl for 2 years into the relationship

If I get into a relationship and break up after 3 months will I feel ok and be able to pick up again

How to deal with this also, how to go out and set dates while feeling good about it?
 

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In past 2 months I have met 8 different women and went on almost 20 dates with them sleeping with 5 of them.

Have talked and chatted many others which did not turned into anything.

Now I don't feel like talking to new womens rather it feels like a chore.

Now what I feel is I want a relationship someone to whom I can talk on regular basis be a normal guy share my problems listen to her and good sex ofcourse.

I can regularly go out without thinking much about being perfectly calibrated.

at this point I don't even want a perfect girl its just someone I am mildly attracted to thats all.

Also, I don't have ambition things like getting a threesome or fucking a milf, which I had when I started this journey.

Though I know I don't have absolute abundance so getting into relationship is not right at the moment.

Also, I am worried that I don't end up getting into ltr which is not optimal for me.

I confused why I am feeling this way?

Do I want a security of a relationship.

do I want to focus on things apart from pick up eg career.

Do I want to get married maybe this why? I am 26 and want to get married by 28 and vet the girl for 2 years into the relationship

If I get into a relationship and break up after 3 months will I feel ok and be able to pick up again

How to deal with this also, how to go out and set dates while feeling good about it?

There's a lot going on in this post, here are my thoughts.

First of all, sounds like you are in a bit of a low point. The question is, why? A lot of times emotions get transferred from issues completely unrelated to women, onto women. Feeling rudderless? Get laid and forget about it. Feeling insecure? Get into a relationship and get validation. This can be really bad, because every time you act in response to an emotion, you teach and habituate yourself to respond that way every time that emotion comes up, rather than fixing whatever underlying problem it is signalling to you.

Now what I feel is I want a relationship someone to whom I can talk on regular basis be a normal guy share my problems listen to her and good sex ofcourse.

This is not a good frame at all. If you are acquainted with any sort of decent advice on relationships, it will all tell you that women are not there to share your problems with and 'be a normal guy with'. That's what your male buddies are for. With a girl you are a leader and she's a follower, it's that simple. As soon as you aren't leading, things get unstable. You aren't a 'normal guy' you are the dominant figure in her life. Her expectations of you are always high, that's why she can submit to you.

A girl can put up with (and be very supportive through) a certain amount of a certain kind of turbulence and uncertainty in your life, but only when she feels that your potential outweighs your lack of certainty, that you are unambiguously driven, and she believes that she can help you overcome and grow out of it. But she's not there whatsoever to be an emotional outlet for your problems, and she'll not put up with doing that in general, even though she expects you to do that for her.

That's not to say that a woman cannot be emotionally supportive all the time, but it is always an indirect thing, where she is supporting and maintaining your pre-existing certainty that you will win with her own projection of positivity and enthusiasm, rather than offering any of her own. That's a crucial difference.

Also, I don't have ambition things like getting a threesome or fucking a milf, which I had when I started this journey.

Though I know I don't have absolute abundance so getting into relationship is not right at the moment.

Also, I am worried that I don't end up getting into ltr which is not optimal for me.

I confused why I am feeling this way?

Do I want a security of a relationship.

do I want to focus on things apart from pick up eg career.

Do I want to get married maybe this why? I am 26 and want to get married by 28 and vet the girl for 2 years into the relationship

If I get into a relationship and break up after 3 months will I feel ok and be able to pick up again

How to deal with this also, how to go out and set dates while feeling good about it?

It's hard to answer these questions from outside. Only you can really understand what is underneath all of this.

My suggestion is to create a mental map of your life - understand where you've been, where you are currently going, and where you want to be, in terms of sex, relationships, career/business, life experiences, etc. If any fundamental pieces are missing from your life, that's what you need to address.

I'm not really a believer in the idea that a guy needs absolute abundance before testing the waters with a relationship. Having sex with lots of girls does teach you a lot about girls, but not necessarily the right lessons for relationships. Nor does it seem to me to be a protection against getting into bad relationships. You see dudes who are celebrities, who have bedded boatloads of girls, go into bad relationships all the time. There is no substitute for emotional self-awareness and self-regulation, and swimming in pussy isn't a shortcut to getting it. Only learning about, managing, and dominating your emotional reality through difficult circumstances gets you there.

The way to prevent yourself from staying too long in an ltr you know isn't good for you is to keep your eyes peeled, stay rational, and continuously cross reference what is happening with the high quality relationship knowledge you have access to. Simply having other options won't necessarily help you find and keep a good relationship, they will only really help you blow your load. Good relationships are navigated by the head you have on top not the one down below.

As far as the idea of getting into a 3 month relationship, well, that sort of thing just doesn't work in my experience. That's more than long enough for either or both of you to get attached, and once that happens you can't just pull the circuit breaker without someone having a very hard time.

I think every guy should try out relationships in an experimental way when he's younger, but at a certain point I think it makes sense to only enter into relationships with girls where there's some amount of possibility that she is going to be able to fulfill all your own expectations of what a relationship can be.

From reading your post, the main question I have is, why do you think you need to be married by 28? That's pretty young. Why do you feel that you have already reached your potential to grow through new experiences? Sexual drive is not just a function of your sexual experience, it's a function of how you see yourself as a function of your entire reality. A guy who is winning in life generally, and believes he has a lot more wins to make, is generally motivated to make new sexual conquests, and has to resist the temptation if he has chosen for whatever reason not to do so.
 

empath

Space Monkey
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There's a lot going on in this post, here are my thoughts.

First of all, sounds like you are in a bit of a low point. The question is, why? A lot of times emotions get transferred from issues completely unrelated to women, onto women. Feeling rudderless? Get laid and forget about it. Feeling insecure? Get into a relationship and get validation. This can be really bad, because every time you act in response to an emotion, you teach and habituate yourself to respond that way every time that emotion comes up, rather than fixing whatever underlying problem it is signalling to you.



This is not a good frame at all. If you are acquainted with any sort of decent advice on relationships, it will all tell you that women are not there to share your problems with and 'be a normal guy with'. That's what your male buddies are for. With a girl you are a leader and she's a follower, it's that simple. As soon as you aren't leading, things get unstable. You aren't a 'normal guy' you are the dominant figure in her life. Her expectations of you are always high, that's why she can submit to you.

A girl can put up with (and be very supportive through) a certain amount of a certain kind of turbulence and uncertainty in your life, but only when she feels that your potential outweighs your lack of certainty, that you are unambiguously driven, and she believes that she can help you overcome and grow out of it. But she's not there whatsoever to be an emotional outlet for your problems, and she'll not put up with doing that in general, even though she expects you to do that for her.

That's not to say that a woman cannot be emotionally supportive all the time, but it is always an indirect thing, where she is supporting and maintaining your pre-existing certainty that you will win with her own projection of positivity and enthusiasm, rather than offering any of her own. That's a crucial difference.



It's hard to answer these questions from outside. Only you can really understand what is underneath all of this.

My suggestion is to create a mental map of your life - understand where you've been, where you are currently going, and where you want to be, in terms of sex, relationships, career/business, life experiences, etc. If any fundamental pieces are missing from your life, that's what you need to address.

I'm not really a believer in the idea that a guy needs absolute abundance before testing the waters with a relationship. Having sex with lots of girls does teach you a lot about girls, but not necessarily the right lessons for relationships. Nor does it seem to me to be a protection against getting into bad relationships. You see dudes who are celebrities, who have bedded boatloads of girls, go into bad relationships all the time. There is no substitute for emotional self-awareness and self-regulation, and swimming in pussy isn't a shortcut to getting it. Only learning about, managing, and dominating your emotional reality through difficult circumstances gets you there.

The way to prevent yourself from staying too long in an ltr you know isn't good for you is to keep your eyes peeled, stay rational, and continuously cross reference what is happening with the high quality relationship knowledge you have access to. Simply having other options won't necessarily help you find and keep a good relationship, they will only really help you blow your load. Good relationships are navigated by the head you have on top not the one down below.

As far as the idea of getting into a 3 month relationship, well, that sort of thing just doesn't work in my experience. That's more than long enough for either or both of you to get attached, and once that happens you can't just pull the circuit breaker without someone having a very hard time.

I think every guy should try out relationships in an experimental way when he's younger, but at a certain point I think it makes sense to only enter into relationships with girls where there's some amount of possibility that she is going to be able to fulfill all your own expectations of what a relationship can be.

From reading your post, the main question I have is, why do you think you need to be married by 28? That's pretty young. Why do you feel that you have already reached your potential to grow through new experiences? Sexual drive is not just a function of your sexual experience, it's a function of how you see yourself as a function of your entire reality. A guy who is winning in life generally, and believes he has a lot more wins to make, is generally motivated to make new sexual conquests, and has to resist the temptation if he has chosen for whatever reason not to do so.
I read your response and I thought over it.

I think simply I lack the purpose, there was a time when I thought learning pick up would solve all my problems.

But now reality has hit its quite different.

I will delve into those but for a long time I just obssessed about mastering PU and has no sense of direction or vision of future apart from it, I wanted to drown in girls and validate myself.

Now 1 marriage

Well the reason I want to get married is its a norm where I live to get married by 26-28. With 28 being lower end. There is push from family and extended family to get married.

Similarly its normal here for majority of girls to be married by 26.

Cultural thing.

Lastly I myself want to have more than 2-3 kids.

So makes sense to get married by 28 and keep 2-3 years of Gap.

Having kids is a personal preference and many here might not want but I do.

Also, the older I get the lesser chance I have to marry a girl younger.

For ex. If I am 28, I can marry someone who is 25ish.

If I am 30 it will be someone 27 ish. I prefer younger girls.

I will not be relocating to other country nor I want to cut contacts with my parents

The younger girls themselve would not want to be trapped into marriage (esp.the kind of free spritied girls I like)

Other issue due to to which I am not able to PU.

I just don't want to hook up with girls only.

I have learned the reality I wanted to have of an adventurer giving pleasure to women and travelling the world is not practical for me. Don Juan type eternal bechalor.

The core of issue for me is the kind of girls I like I might be able to pick them and sleep but I wonder why would they want to marry me.

I somehow don't consider myself a good provider. I can't be.

I am impulsive and emotional, all the wrong things

Still idk why my previous LTR put up with that, I will say I had higher SMV.

Now I am able to get girls at my SMV but again why will they marry me is question.

These girls are atheletes, doing great in their career.

Whereas I lack attention to detail in my work, I am unproductive.

For years only hobby I had was playing video games, reading comics, or watching porn, some good hobbies I picked were reading books and picking up girls, sketching and dancing.

But I have not achived anything significant in any of my hobby whereas they and other men, have medals.

So earlier not getting girls used to give me inferiority complex over other men and now not having any achivement in school and college gives me this.

I am not good at any physical sport etc.

Though I think after I find the girl I want to marry I can learn and achive things I want with her.

For ex. i can join dance classes with her and we can become quite good at it.

Or maybe start a business together.

Or to say simply having a family might give me a purpose.

IDK how to proceed from here but I think I will keep sarging
 
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