Is this pick up fatigue/burnout or I want a relationshiop or I just getting lazy

[empath]

In past 2 months I have met 8 different women and went on almost 20 dates with them sleeping with 5 of them.

Have talked and chatted many others which did not turned into anything.

Now I don't feel like talking to new womens rather it feels like a chore.

Now what I feel is I want a relationship someone to whom I can talk on regular basis be a normal guy share my problems listen to her and good sex ofcourse.

I can regularly go out without thinking much about being perfectly calibrated.

at this point I don't even want a perfect girl its just someone I am mildly attracted to thats all.

Also, I don't have ambition things like getting a threesome or fucking a milf, which I had when I started this journey.

Though I know I don't have absolute abundance so getting into relationship is not right at the moment.

Also, I am worried that I don't end up getting into ltr which is not optimal for me.

I confused why I am feeling this way?

Do I want a security of a relationship.

do I want to focus on things apart from pick up eg career.

Do I want to get married maybe this why? I am 26 and want to get married by 28 and vet the girl for 2 years into the relationship

If I get into a relationship and break up after 3 months will I feel ok and be able to pick up again

How to deal with this also, how to go out and set dates while feeling good about it?

 

[Will_V]

In past 2 months I have met 8 different women and went on almost 20 dates with them sleeping with 5 of them.

Have talked and chatted many others which did not turned into anything.

Now I don't feel like talking to new womens rather it feels like a chore.

Now what I feel is I want a relationship someone to whom I can talk on regular basis be a normal guy share my problems listen to her and good sex ofcourse.

I can regularly go out without thinking much about being perfectly calibrated.

at this point I don't even want a perfect girl its just someone I am mildly attracted to thats all.

Also, I don't have ambition things like getting a threesome or fucking a milf, which I had when I started this journey.

Though I know I don't have absolute abundance so getting into relationship is not right at the moment.

Also, I am worried that I don't end up getting into ltr which is not optimal for me.

I confused why I am feeling this way?

Do I want a security of a relationship.

do I want to focus on things apart from pick up eg career.

Do I want to get married maybe this why? I am 26 and want to get married by 28 and vet the girl for 2 years into the relationship

If I get into a relationship and break up after 3 months will I feel ok and be able to pick up again

How to deal with this also, how to go out and set dates while feeling good about it?

There's a lot going on in this post, here are my thoughts.

First of all, sounds like you are in a bit of a low point. The question is, why? A lot of times emotions get transferred from issues completely unrelated to women, onto women. Feeling rudderless? Get laid and forget about it. Feeling insecure? Get into a relationship and get validation. This can be really bad, because every time you act in response to an emotion, you teach and habituate yourself to respond that way every time that emotion comes up, rather than fixing whatever underlying problem it is signalling to you.

Now what I feel is I want a relationship someone to whom I can talk on regular basis be a normal guy share my problems listen to her and good sex ofcourse.

This is not a good frame at all. If you are acquainted with any sort of decent advice on relationships, it will all tell you that women are not there to share your problems with and 'be a normal guy with'. That's what your male buddies are for. With a girl you are a leader and she's a follower, it's that simple. As soon as you aren't leading, things get unstable. You aren't a 'normal guy' you are the dominant figure in her life. Her expectations of you are always high, that's why she can submit to you.

A girl can put up with (and be very supportive through) a certain amount of a certain kind of turbulence and uncertainty in your life, but only when she feels that your potential outweighs your lack of certainty, that you are unambiguously driven, and she believes that she can help you overcome and grow out of it. But she's not there whatsoever to be an emotional outlet for your problems, and she'll not put up with doing that in general, even though she expects you to do that for her.

That's not to say that a woman cannot be emotionally supportive all the time, but it is always an indirect thing, where she is supporting and maintaining your pre-existing certainty that you will win with her own projection of positivity and enthusiasm, rather than offering any of her own. That's a crucial difference.

Also, I don't have ambition things like getting a threesome or fucking a milf, which I had when I started this journey.

Though I know I don't have absolute abundance so getting into relationship is not right at the moment.

Also, I am worried that I don't end up getting into ltr which is not optimal for me.

I confused why I am feeling this way?

Do I want a security of a relationship.

do I want to focus on things apart from pick up eg career.

Do I want to get married maybe this why? I am 26 and want to get married by 28 and vet the girl for 2 years into the relationship

If I get into a relationship and break up after 3 months will I feel ok and be able to pick up again

How to deal with this also, how to go out and set dates while feeling good about it?

It's hard to answer these questions from outside. Only you can really understand what is underneath all of this.

My suggestion is to create a mental map of your life - understand where you've been, where you are currently going, and where you want to be, in terms of sex, relationships, career/business, life experiences, etc. If any fundamental pieces are missing from your life, that's what you need to address.

I'm not really a believer in the idea that a guy needs absolute abundance before testing the waters with a relationship. Having sex with lots of girls does teach you a lot about girls, but not necessarily the right lessons for relationships. Nor does it seem to me to be a protection against getting into bad relationships. You see dudes who are celebrities, who have bedded boatloads of girls, go into bad relationships all the time. There is no substitute for emotional self-awareness and self-regulation, and swimming in pussy isn't a shortcut to getting it. Only learning about, managing, and dominating your emotional reality through difficult circumstances gets you there.

The way to prevent yourself from staying too long in an ltr you know isn't good for you is to keep your eyes peeled, stay rational, and continuously cross reference what is happening with the high quality relationship knowledge you have access to. Simply having other options won't necessarily help you find and keep a good relationship, they will only really help you blow your load. Good relationships are navigated by the head you have on top not the one down below.

As far as the idea of getting into a 3 month relationship, well, that sort of thing just doesn't work in my experience. That's more than long enough for either or both of you to get attached, and once that happens you can't just pull the circuit breaker without someone having a very hard time.

I think every guy should try out relationships in an experimental way when he's younger, but at a certain point I think it makes sense to only enter into relationships with girls where there's some amount of possibility that she is going to be able to fulfill all your own expectations of what a relationship can be.

From reading your post, the main question I have is, why do you think you need to be married by 28? That's pretty young. Why do you feel that you have already reached your potential to grow through new experiences? Sexual drive is not just a function of your sexual experience, it's a function of how you see yourself as a function of your entire reality. A guy who is winning in life generally, and believes he has a lot more wins to make, is generally motivated to make new sexual conquests, and has to resist the temptation if he has chosen for whatever reason not to do so.

 

[empath]

There's a lot going on in this post, here are my thoughts.

First of all, sounds like you are in a bit of a low point. The question is, why? A lot of times emotions get transferred from issues completely unrelated to women, onto women. Feeling rudderless? Get laid and forget about it. Feeling insecure? Get into a relationship and get validation. This can be really bad, because every time you act in response to an emotion, you teach and habituate yourself to respond that way every time that emotion comes up, rather than fixing whatever underlying problem it is signalling to you.



This is not a good frame at all. If you are acquainted with any sort of decent advice on relationships, it will all tell you that women are not there to share your problems with and 'be a normal guy with'. That's what your male buddies are for. With a girl you are a leader and she's a follower, it's that simple. As soon as you aren't leading, things get unstable. You aren't a 'normal guy' you are the dominant figure in her life. Her expectations of you are always high, that's why she can submit to you.

A girl can put up with (and be very supportive through) a certain amount of a certain kind of turbulence and uncertainty in your life, but only when she feels that your potential outweighs your lack of certainty, that you are unambiguously driven, and she believes that she can help you overcome and grow out of it. But she's not there whatsoever to be an emotional outlet for your problems, and she'll not put up with doing that in general, even though she expects you to do that for her.

That's not to say that a woman cannot be emotionally supportive all the time, but it is always an indirect thing, where she is supporting and maintaining your pre-existing certainty that you will win with her own projection of positivity and enthusiasm, rather than offering any of her own. That's a crucial difference.



It's hard to answer these questions from outside. Only you can really understand what is underneath all of this.

My suggestion is to create a mental map of your life - understand where you've been, where you are currently going, and where you want to be, in terms of sex, relationships, career/business, life experiences, etc. If any fundamental pieces are missing from your life, that's what you need to address.

I'm not really a believer in the idea that a guy needs absolute abundance before testing the waters with a relationship. Having sex with lots of girls does teach you a lot about girls, but not necessarily the right lessons for relationships. Nor does it seem to me to be a protection against getting into bad relationships. You see dudes who are celebrities, who have bedded boatloads of girls, go into bad relationships all the time. There is no substitute for emotional self-awareness and self-regulation, and swimming in pussy isn't a shortcut to getting it. Only learning about, managing, and dominating your emotional reality through difficult circumstances gets you there.

The way to prevent yourself from staying too long in an ltr you know isn't good for you is to keep your eyes peeled, stay rational, and continuously cross reference what is happening with the high quality relationship knowledge you have access to. Simply having other options won't necessarily help you find and keep a good relationship, they will only really help you blow your load. Good relationships are navigated by the head you have on top not the one down below.

As far as the idea of getting into a 3 month relationship, well, that sort of thing just doesn't work in my experience. That's more than long enough for either or both of you to get attached, and once that happens you can't just pull the circuit breaker without someone having a very hard time.

I think every guy should try out relationships in an experimental way when he's younger, but at a certain point I think it makes sense to only enter into relationships with girls where there's some amount of possibility that she is going to be able to fulfill all your own expectations of what a relationship can be.

From reading your post, the main question I have is, why do you think you need to be married by 28? That's pretty young. Why do you feel that you have already reached your potential to grow through new experiences? Sexual drive is not just a function of your sexual experience, it's a function of how you see yourself as a function of your entire reality. A guy who is winning in life generally, and believes he has a lot more wins to make, is generally motivated to make new sexual conquests, and has to resist the temptation if he has chosen for whatever reason not to do so.

I read your response and I thought over it.

I think simply I lack the purpose, there was a time when I thought learning pick up would solve all my problems.

But now reality has hit its quite different.

I will delve into those but for a long time I just obssessed about mastering PU and has no sense of direction or vision of future apart from it, I wanted to drown in girls and validate myself.

Now 1 marriage

Well the reason I want to get married is its a norm where I live to get married by 26-28. With 28 being lower end. There is push from family and extended family to get married.

Similarly its normal here for majority of girls to be married by 26.

Cultural thing.

Lastly I myself want to have more than 2-3 kids.

So makes sense to get married by 28 and keep 2-3 years of Gap.

Having kids is a personal preference and many here might not want but I do.

Also, the older I get the lesser chance I have to marry a girl younger.

For ex. If I am 28, I can marry someone who is 25ish.

If I am 30 it will be someone 27 ish. I prefer younger girls.

I will not be relocating to other country nor I want to cut contacts with my parents

The younger girls themselve would not want to be trapped into marriage (esp.the kind of free spritied girls I like)

Other issue due to to which I am not able to PU.

I just don't want to hook up with girls only.

I have learned the reality I wanted to have of an adventurer giving pleasure to women and travelling the world is not practical for me. Don Juan type eternal bechalor.

The core of issue for me is the kind of girls I like I might be able to pick them and sleep but I wonder why would they want to marry me.

I somehow don't consider myself a good provider. I can't be.

I am impulsive and emotional, all the wrong things

Still idk why my previous LTR put up with that, I will say I had higher SMV.

Now I am able to get girls at my SMV but again why will they marry me is question.

These girls are atheletes, doing great in their career.

Whereas I lack attention to detail in my work, I am unproductive.

For years only hobby I had was playing video games, reading comics, or watching porn, some good hobbies I picked were reading books and picking up girls, sketching and dancing.

But I have not achived anything significant in any of my hobby whereas they and other men, have medals.

So earlier not getting girls used to give me inferiority complex over other men and now not having any achivement in school and college gives me this.

I am not good at any physical sport etc.

Though I think after I find the girl I want to marry I can learn and achive things I want with her.

For ex. i can join dance classes with her and we can become quite good at it.

Or maybe start a business together.

Or to say simply having a family might give me a purpose.

IDK how to proceed from here but I think I will keep sarging

 

[superseducer]

IDK how to proceed from here but I think I will keep sarging

this made me laugh.

definitely keep going but just build something by yourself. You're 26 so you still have time. If money is the problem then lock in and learn a marketable skill.

Like Will V said, it's best to lay out your life in front of you on paper, chart the course, and figure out where you're going. The most compelling thing to women and the thing that is going to make them want to stay with you is being genuinely excited about your life and where you're going. Forgetting about women, you should be excited about your life and the things that you're going to do, so find something that compels you forward.

 

[Will_V]

I read your response and I thought over it.

I think simply I lack the purpose, there was a time when I thought learning pick up would solve all my problems.

But now reality has hit its quite different.

I will delve into those but for a long time I just obssessed about mastering PU and has no sense of direction or vision of future apart from it, I wanted to drown in girls and validate myself.

I think it's fine to do this until you feel like you can get good quality girls by your standards, and sure if you want to go all out and make it your expertise that's great too, but for some guys (like myself) it's necessary to develop other areas of your life just as much to feel happy with yourself. For example for me, I need to be doing martial arts and running some kind of business to feel good in the long run, that's just my thing. If I'm not doing those two as well (and not just doing them but improving in them) I'll get very unmotivated to get after it with girls.

Now 1 marriage

Well the reason I want to get married is its a norm where I live to get married by 26-28. With 28 being lower end. There is push from family and extended family to get married.

Similarly its normal here for majority of girls to be married by 26.

Cultural thing.

Lastly I myself want to have more than 2-3 kids.

So makes sense to get married by 28 and keep 2-3 years of Gap.

Having kids is a personal preference and many here might not want but I do.

Also, the older I get the lesser chance I have to marry a girl younger.

For ex. If I am 28, I can marry someone who is 25ish.

If I am 30 it will be someone 27 ish. I prefer younger girls.

I also want to have a big family but I probably won't until past 40 (I'm 36 now), and she's gonna be around 25 or younger.

My father who is pretty good with women got married for the first time when he was 45 and my mum was 20. Not saying that's necessarily the best, but all sorts of things can work if you're not following someone's specific rules.

It's not that hard to attract younger women when you're older, women already mature much faster than men (suggesting that an age gap is the natural norm) and in the old days men had to establish themselves - survive a few battles, collect a bit of loot, buy a bit of land - before marrying often much younger women. And women at all ages just seem to have this built-in desire for the attention of older men who can handle them easily, a part of them yearns for it.

Even if you tune into any red pill show these days, they'll tell you that men's value is at its highest in his 30s, while a woman's value is highest around 20, and that's perfectly true. So in terms of both the natural equilibrium and economic value, things match up with a pretty significant age gap.

There's a host of reasons why these days that age gap has narrowed, but the main one is that society wants women in the workforce (paying taxes) and so there is a big push for men and women to be taking exactly the same trajectory through life and occupying the same position in all things, when it used to be that a woman secured a good choice when she was young and became a housewife, while a man had to fight through his 20s to make something of himself and then find a young fertile bride.

I will not be relocating to other country nor I want to cut contacts with my parents

The younger girls themselve would not want to be trapped into marriage (esp.the kind of free spritied girls I like)

Other issue due to to which I am not able to PU.

I just don't want to hook up with girls only.

I have learned the reality I wanted to have of an adventurer giving pleasure to women and travelling the world is not practical for me. Don Juan type eternal bechalor.

The core of issue for me is the kind of girls I like I might be able to pick them and sleep but I wonder why would they want to marry me.

I somehow don't consider myself a good provider. I can't be.

I am impulsive and emotional, all the wrong things

Still idk why my previous LTR put up with that, I will say I had higher SMV.

Now I am able to get girls at my SMV but again why will they marry me is question.

These girls are atheletes, doing great in their career.

Whereas I lack attention to detail in my work, I am unproductive.

For years only hobby I had was playing video games, reading comics, or watching porn, some good hobbies I picked were reading books and picking up girls, sketching and dancing.

But I have not achived anything significant in any of my hobby whereas they and other men, have medals.

So earlier not getting girls used to give me inferiority complex over other men and now not having any achivement in school and college gives me this.

Yeah, sounds like you have developed one side of your life (girls) and let the other parts wilt.

If I was you I'd cut back on seduction (keep doing it regularly but not so often), identify an achievement that would really satisfy me, and lock in and get after it. This will even help you in the long run with girls.

Again, with me it's martial arts and business, amongst a couple other things. I just started BJJ last week. I was getting choked out left and right at first, but I'm already improving and getting a grip on the basics. That change and sense of upward trajectory is something I need to feel to be happy.

What are the things you feel a natural tendency and desire to excel at? Whatever it is, whatever domain, it will give you purpose, and that purpose will give you an edge with girls that will carry over not only into the seduction but also into your leadership role in a relationship.

I am not good at any physical sport etc.

Though I think after I find the girl I want to marry I can learn and achive things I want with her.

For ex. i can join dance classes with her and we can become quite good at it.

Or maybe start a business together.

Or to say simply having a family might give me a purpose.

IDK how to proceed from here but I think I will keep sarging

Something that might be problematic for you is that I see you're focusing on aligning your purpose with women specifically. Getting good at dancing together, starting a business together, starting a family together. That's not necessary and isn't necessarily in your interests or hers. She wants a guy who is already striving and winning at some pre-defined mission that doesn't involve her, so that she can come in and be your sexual and emotional support. She typically doesn't want to split your role with you, she wants to ride your cock as you go about winning in life.

The other downside is that when you build some big mission that involves her substantial participation, if she isn't playing ball or she leaves you, the whole thing comes crashing down. That's why even your family should never be your entire mission, even if it has a certain priority. And (imo) you should never go partners in a business together - I have relatives who did that and it was a disaster.

So what are the things you've always wanted to do with yourself, that you haven't done yet? Accept a new challenge, develop the discipline, and stay with it until you've achieved something. It won't be easy at first, but that's what it seems to me will make you happy in the long run.

Remember man is a leader, and a leader is always to some extent a solitary creature, whose principles, motivations, and emotions are only ever partly attached to those who follow him. That's what gives him the ability to stay above everything, to see more of reality and to make good objective decisions, and puts the onus on others to follow him, and not the other way around. And that's exactly the kind of man women feel safe and comfortable with in a relationship.

 

[Stark]

Will's advice is solid - aligning seduction goals to your overall life mission is crucial if you're looking for longevity and motivation.

In past 2 months I have met 8 different women and went on almost 20 dates with them sleeping with 5 of them.

This is very odd. Looks like you're following the long route of traditional dating (3-4 dates) with someone before sleeping with them.

No wonder you feel exhausted by the time you get the pussy.

You're spending time with certain women who you know will never crack and putting yourself in the friend zone.

This is probably hurting your self-esteem adding to the overall emotional toll.

If you went the fast seduction route you would have still laid at least 4 of them anyway. Saying NO to timewasters sharpens your frame to get hotter girls in the future.

All the while getting an endorphin rush of constantly moving past your and her comfort zone, making each lay one grand adventure to remember.

 

[isildur1]

I read your response and I thought over it.

I think simply I lack the purpose, there was a time when I thought learning pick up would solve all my problems.

But now reality has hit its quite different.

I will delve into those but for a long time I just obssessed about mastering PU and has no sense of direction or vision of future apart from it, I wanted to drown in girls and validate myself.

Now 1 marriage

Well the reason I want to get married is its a norm where I live to get married by 26-28. With 28 being lower end. There is push from family and extended family to get married.

Similarly its normal here for majority of girls to be married by 26.

Cultural thing.

Lastly I myself want to have more than 2-3 kids.

So makes sense to get married by 28 and keep 2-3 years of Gap.

Having kids is a personal preference and many here might not want but I do.

Also, the older I get the lesser chance I have to marry a girl younger.

For ex. If I am 28, I can marry someone who is 25ish.

If I am 30 it will be someone 27 ish. I prefer younger girls.

I will not be relocating to other country nor I want to cut contacts with my parents

The younger girls themselve would not want to be trapped into marriage (esp.the kind of free spritied girls I like)

Other issue due to to which I am not able to PU.

I just don't want to hook up with girls only.

I have learned the reality I wanted to have of an adventurer giving pleasure to women and travelling the world is not practical for me. Don Juan type eternal bechalor.

The core of issue for me is the kind of girls I like I might be able to pick them and sleep but I wonder why would they want to marry me.

I somehow don't consider myself a good provider. I can't be.

I am impulsive and emotional, all the wrong things

Still idk why my previous LTR put up with that, I will say I had higher SMV.

Now I am able to get girls at my SMV but again why will they marry me is question.

These girls are atheletes, doing great in their career.

Whereas I lack attention to detail in my work, I am unproductive.

For years only hobby I had was playing video games, reading comics, or watching porn, some good hobbies I picked were reading books and picking up girls, sketching and dancing.

But I have not achived anything significant in any of my hobby whereas they and other men, have medals.

So earlier not getting girls used to give me inferiority complex over other men and now not having any achivement in school and college gives me this.

I am not good at any physical sport etc.

Though I think after I find the girl I want to marry I can learn and achive things I want with her.

For ex. i can join dance classes with her and we can become quite good at it.

Or maybe start a business together.

Or to say simply having a family might give me a purpose.

IDK how to proceed from here but I think I will keep sarging

well your stats are pretty good - women are wanting to sleep with you and are keen on dating you - you should congratulate for having success as not many in the pua scene even make it to 1 lay from daygame.

if you want 2-3 kids you want to make sure you find an exceptional partner to fill that roll as a mother - this should be the motivation for you - finding high quality relationship women is tough and takes time - you need to be persistent and having that work ethic but it seems at least from the stats that you're doing well. just gotta keep going i guess.

 

[empath]

Will's advice is solid - aligning seduction goals to your overall life mission is crucial if you're looking for longevity and motivation.



This is very odd. Looks like you're following the long route of traditional dating (3-4 dates) with someone before sleeping with them.

No wonder you feel exhausted by the time you get the pussy.

You're spending time with certain women who you know will never crack and putting yourself in the friend zone.

This is probably hurting your self-esteem adding to the overall emotional toll.

If you went the fast seduction route you would have still laid at least 4 of them anyway. Saying NO to timewasters sharpens your frame to get hotter girls in the future.

All the while getting an endorphin rush of constantly moving past your and her comfort zone, making each lay one grand adventure to remember.

Yeah its been hit or miss kind, either lay on first date or nothing comes out after more dating.

Though I am moving faster but I myself don't like 15 mins lays they are fun to have but I enjoy sex more when there are emotions involved.

Preference maybe.

It was not exhaustation from getting pussy per say but a melancholia like feeling.

Whats the point of this way.

Though after reading advice here I am trying to put more focus on my work, so I don't feel like waiting for a girl to come.

I want to reach a position, where I am happy with a partner but if not happy at least not sad when i don't have a partner.

More like not having a relationship ... I crave that womenly affection which gfs give but you cannot expect it in a SDL/SNL etc.

So I mostly crave affection and I want to just spend my whole day with my girl just doing nothing while she is in my physical proximity

 

[empath]

I think it's fine to do this until you feel like you can get good quality girls by your standards, and sure if you want to go all out and make it your expertise that's great too, but for some guys (like myself) it's necessary to develop other areas of your life just as much to feel happy with yourself. For example for me, I need to be doing martial arts and running some kind of business to feel good in the long run, that's just my thing. If I'm not doing those two as well (and not just doing them but improving in them) I'll get very unmotivated to get after it with girls.



I also want to have a big family but I probably won't until past 40 (I'm 36 now), and she's gonna be around 25 or younger.

My father who is pretty good with women got married for the first time when he was 45 and my mum was 20. Not saying that's necessarily the best, but all sorts of things can work if you're not following someone's specific rules.

It's not that hard to attract younger women when you're older, women already mature much faster than men (suggesting that an age gap is the natural norm) and in the old days men had to establish themselves - survive a few battles, collect a bit of loot, buy a bit of land - before marrying often much younger women. And women at all ages just seem to have this built-in desire for the attention of older men who can handle them easily, a part of them yearns for it.

Even if you tune into any red pill show these days, they'll tell you that men's value is at its highest in his 30s, while a woman's value is highest around 20, and that's perfectly true. So in terms of both the natural equilibrium and economic value, things match up with a pretty significant age gap.

There's a host of reasons why these days that age gap has narrowed, but the main one is that society wants women in the workforce (paying taxes) and so there is a big push for men and women to be taking exactly the same trajectory through life and occupying the same position in all things, when it used to be that a woman secured a good choice when she was young and became a housewife, while a man had to fight through his 20s to make something of himself and then find a young fertile bride.



Yeah, sounds like you have developed one side of your life (girls) and let the other parts wilt.

If I was you I'd cut back on seduction (keep doing it regularly but not so often), identify an achievement that would really satisfy me, and lock in and get after it. This will even help you in the long run with girls.

Again, with me it's martial arts and business, amongst a couple other things. I just started BJJ last week. I was getting choked out left and right at first, but I'm already improving and getting a grip on the basics. That change and sense of upward trajectory is something I need to feel to be happy.

What are the things you feel a natural tendency and desire to excel at? Whatever it is, whatever domain, it will give you purpose, and that purpose will give you an edge with girls that will carry over not only into the seduction but also into your leadership role in a relationship.



Something that might be problematic for you is that I see you're focusing on aligning your purpose with women specifically. Getting good at dancing together, starting a business together, starting a family together. That's not necessary and isn't necessarily in your interests or hers. She wants a guy who is already striving and winning at some pre-defined mission that doesn't involve her, so that she can come in and be your sexual and emotional support. She typically doesn't want to split your role with you, she wants to ride your cock as you go about winning in life.

The other downside is that when you build some big mission that involves her substantial participation, if she isn't playing ball or she leaves you, the whole thing comes crashing down. That's why even your family should never be your entire mission, even if it has a certain priority. And (imo) you should never go partners in a business together - I have relatives who did that and it was a disaster.

So what are the things you've always wanted to do with yourself, that you haven't done yet? Accept a new challenge, develop the discipline, and stay with it until you've achieved something. It won't be easy at first, but that's what it seems to me will make you happy in the long run.

Remember man is a leader, and a leader is always to some extent a solitary creature, whose principles, motivations, and emotions are only ever partly attached to those who follow him. That's what gives him the ability to stay above everything, to see more of reality and to make good objective decisions, and puts the onus on others to follow him, and not the other way around. And that's exactly the kind of man women feel safe and comfortable with in a relationship.

All your advice is solid it helped me a bit curing my Melancholia, yes what happened with me was I was just obssessed with PU and when I could not approach or get dates I would keep obsessing about PU, reading articles and neglecting other aspect of my life. Now that is haunting me.

So it makes sense to cut down a bit on Pu, more like put it on maintaince mode. Leave PU related goals aside and focus on other life achivements.

On a positive note I am thinking that achivement should matter to me maybe its small for others but as long as its significant to me I will feel happy about it.

Also, I see your point in the advice you gave on not doing business with women.

What I meant was say women has XYZ skills like designing and I have finance skills.

I combine and start a business with her.
I am controlling the business and she is supplying her skills

 

[empath]

On a side note do you guys have activities or hobbies you love more than women, for doing that you will pass on a hot girl?

 

[empath]

well your stats are pretty good - women are wanting to sleep with you and are keen on dating you - you should congratulate for having success as not many in the pua scene even make it to 1 lay from daygame.

if you want 2-3 kids you want to make sure you find an exceptional partner to fill that roll as a mother - this should be the motivation for you - finding high quality relationship women is tough and takes time - you need to be persistent and having that work ethic but it seems at least from the stats that you're doing well. just gotta keep going i guess.

I am hating the time taking part and I am very impatient


Also, thinking ablut of risk of me investong 2 years in a realtionship and things not panning out as hoped scares me a lot

 

[gameboy]

I think it's normal to crave a relationship. Most people do, and it's a beautiful thing.

Also, thinking ablut of risk of me investong 2 years in a realtionship and things not panning out as hoped scares me a lot

One thing I learned is that you never know how they will turn out... It's a risk you just gotta take. Chase has some good advice on screening and coming from a solid frame (i.e. not one of neediness) that I wish i had known going into my past relationships.