New Relationship Dynamic, Breaking a Few "Rules", Advice Welcome

[justonemoreperson]

Hello, if you read my LR on the french girl then this is the woman I will be talking about today.

Here's some info about her I've gathered these last 2 weeks I've known her:

-she was raised by a traditional french family, she's studying to become a doctor, and her goals are to get married and raise a family.
-she's been with 4 guys, and lost her virginity at 21
-she's been in 2 relationships, both bombed out because the men moved out of the city/country


Might be missing some more revelant background info, but yea. I have known this woman for 2 weeks now. She has stayed over 3 times now. When we have sex, I make her come multiple times, and I fuck her multiple times a day. She has stated that no other man has lasted in bed as long as I can. She has already professed her love for me several times. I do not say it back of course... She asked me if I ever will, I just said eventually.

So far, she was the one pushing for me to meet her all these times. Before she leaves my house, she tells me she is going to be free after school/work and asks me if she can come over. She does this every time. She takes the bus and walks to come see me, even though sometimes it's a 30 minute walk. She cooks food for me, and eventually I will have her cleaning the house and doing laundry. We went to the beach for an hour last weekend, but other than that she just stays over and gets fucked, then we eat, then I'll go exercise/play games and she will study or do her homework.

Current frame:

A lot of the advice I've read on relationships stem from not developing onitis and becoming weak. Even though this woman is by far the hottest I've ever had, I do not feel smitten nor charmed by her. The more she invests, the more dominant I feel and act around her and the less emotions I feel. I order her around, and she likes it. I make suggestions to her life and she follows them. I behave like a caring father-figure that knows when to get stern... And she feels a lot of discomfort if she does something I don't like... and I make sure she corrects it.

I am aggressive in bed, fucking her hard and doing kinky shit to her like slapping her, choking her, telling her to open her mouth and me spitting inside, scratching her, biting her, and growling like an animal. The first few times we had sex, she wasn't into the pain much, but now she will ask me to make her feel pain during sex. I asked her if she wanted me to tie her up, start whipping her, get into more bdsm stuff and she says she wants me to.

I have to say, I feel enjoyment and pleasure to have this beautiful woman completely submissive and sold to my frame. As the relationship continues, I will continue to push her boundaries and see what I am capable of making her do for me. And I find that more interesting than bedding a new woman, for the moment.

I told her that I date other women, but she's been taking a lot of my time lately. She asked me if I was dating Haitian girl, I told her yes. And I told her that I like to fuck other women and I will always be free to fuck other women. She got her feelings slightly hurt, and I genuinely felt a little bad about it cus I do like her, we were in bed after fucking. But those emotions didn't last long and she went back to being lovey dovey and got her brains fucked again.

I will not allow her to lock me down into a monogamous relationship. I would like, one long-term relationship, and then to have as many fuck buddies as I want to. I only have the energy and focus for one real relationship, because I enjoy making the woman invest more and more, and making her comply with bigger and bigger demands over time, and I feel I can only do this with one woman at a time, but perhaps I'll meet another girl down the line while I'm with this one that I like enough to turn her into my second long-term relationship.

I have a criminal and destructive past that I "release" to the girl over time... A real bad boy with a heart of gold type... Perhaps the girls believe they can tame me... Regardless, they seem to love my byronic flaws. I've made a lot of positive changes since and reworked my personality into something I can respect, but that edgy part of me is always there, locked away until it needs to be used.

That's enough self-sucking for now. I am curious what you guys think of my dynamic, taking everything I said into account. I have followed this similar dynamic with an online relationship before where the woman was madly in love with me for close to a year, despite me never fucking her. And she was even more beautiful than this current girl. But this time, I am not promising any exclusivity, nor making all the toxic mistakes I did in the past when I did not get my way. I have grown up and learned much, so I believe this time around things will go much smoother.


-My ultimate goal with this girl is to make her provider. Paying for our dates, house work, and providing sex

 

[KJ Francis]

Sounds pretty great. How far down the timeline are you looking in terms of this "ultimate goal" though? And it's only been two weeks but she is hanging out doing her homework? How often do you plan to see her per week as the months go, and how long do you expect it to last?

I have limited experience with this, but had a situation where she would stay over on a weeknight, voluntarily go buy me breakfast, and drop it back off before she went to work. She would tidy up my place and do my dirty dishes that were already there, cook dinners for us... Once I locked her to the wall while she cleaned my floors. She would come on her lunch break just to bring me coffee and see me for a couple minutes.

It is good you set expectations. They don't internalize this though. This girl fully knew I fucked other girls and was worried I would think she would try to stop this, because she knew that would be a dealbreaker for me. The thing is, all the domestic action from her is not just to earn sex from you. My girl wanted "a life together".

I could have made it last longer, but had an obvious ceiling on the relationship trajectory. She would fold my laundry voluntarily, not for fun, but because she was trying out for a housewife role. It sounds great on paper. She said she wanted to "pick up a bar slut and bring her home together".

It was half a year of bliss (on my end, and a bit less on her end). But I think @Chase would tell you not to expect this to last more than around six months if you are expecting to maintain things exactly as they are and resisting moving in together and/or having children. I believe he tried a lot of this stuff and came to the conclusion that you cannot hold an exclusive lock on a girl's reproductive system if you're not going to use it. She will autoreject and eject. She's really beautiful and wants to be a doctor with a family? When she is past the honeymoon phase, she may wake up and realize it's a losing game long term.


In my case, it happened fast. I cut things off abruptly so our last memories of each other are good ones. We did not endure the last dying breath, her checking out, fighting, opening herself to options, etc. Just ripped the bandaid.

I have had other situations last longer. Some are still going over a year, approaching two years. But they are way more casual straight up fuck buddies where I do not let things get close. Very different from seeking the type of investment and dynamic you are enjoying with this girl.

She’ll Do What She Has to to Get What She Wants

Girls: pretty darn good at getting what they want from men. Apologies if this is a little rough-written. I haven’t slept in 36 hours (save a pair of 30-minute cat naps) and just spent 24 of those hours in a hospital emergency ward (not for myself; the injured party’s going to be fine we think)...

www.girlschase.com

 

[empath]

Hello, if you read my LR on the french girl then this is the woman I will be talking about today.

Here's some info about her I've gathered these last 2 weeks I've known her:

-she was raised by a traditional french family, she's studying to become a doctor, and her goals are to get married and raise a family.
-she's been with 4 guys, and lost her virginity at 21
-she's been in 2 relationships, both bombed out because the men moved out of the city/country


Might be missing some more revelant background info, but yea. I have known this woman for 2 weeks now. She has stayed over 3 times now. When we have sex, I make her come multiple times, and I fuck her multiple times a day. She has stated that no other man has lasted in bed as long as I can. She has already professed her love for me several times. I do not say it back of course... She asked me if I ever will, I just said eventually.

So far, she was the one pushing for me to meet her all these times. Before she leaves my house, she tells me she is going to be free after school/work and asks me if she can come over. She does this every time. She takes the bus and walks to come see me, even though sometimes it's a 30 minute walk. She cooks food for me, and eventually I will have her cleaning the house and doing laundry. We went to the beach for an hour last weekend, but other than that she just stays over and gets fucked, then we eat, then I'll go exercise/play games and she will study or do her homework.

Current frame:

A lot of the advice I've read on relationships stem from not developing onitis and becoming weak. Even though this woman is by far the hottest I've ever had, I do not feel smitten nor charmed by her. The more she invests, the more dominant I feel and act around her and the less emotions I feel. I order her around, and she likes it. I make suggestions to her life and she follows them. I behave like a caring father-figure that knows when to get stern... And she feels a lot of discomfort if she does something I don't like... and I make sure she corrects it.

I am aggressive in bed, fucking her hard and doing kinky shit to her like slapping her, choking her, telling her to open her mouth and me spitting inside, scratching her, biting her, and growling like an animal. The first few times we had sex, she wasn't into the pain much, but now she will ask me to make her feel pain during sex. I asked her if she wanted me to tie her up, start whipping her, get into more bdsm stuff and she says she wants me to.

I have to say, I feel enjoyment and pleasure to have this beautiful woman completely submissive and sold to my frame. As the relationship continues, I will continue to push her boundaries and see what I am capable of making her do for me. And I find that more interesting than bedding a new woman, for the moment.

I told her that I date other women, but she's been taking a lot of my time lately. She asked me if I was dating Haitian girl, I told her yes. And I told her that I like to fuck other women and I will always be free to fuck other women. She got her feelings slightly hurt, and I genuinely felt a little bad about it cus I do like her, we were in bed after fucking. But those emotions didn't last long and she went back to being lovey dovey and got her brains fucked again.

I will not allow her to lock me down into a monogamous relationship. I would like, one long-term relationship, and then to have as many fuck buddies as I want to. I only have the energy and focus for one real relationship, because I enjoy making the woman invest more and more, and making her comply with bigger and bigger demands over time, and I feel I can only do this with one woman at a time, but perhaps I'll meet another girl down the line while I'm with this one that I like enough to turn her into my second long-term relationship.

I have a criminal and destructive past that I "release" to the girl over time... A real bad boy with a heart of gold type... Perhaps the girls believe they can tame me... Regardless, they seem to love my byronic flaws. I've made a lot of positive changes since and reworked my personality into something I can respect, but that edgy part of me is always there, locked away until it needs to be used.

That's enough self-sucking for now. I am curious what you guys think of my dynamic, taking everything I said into account. I have followed this similar dynamic with an online relationship before where the woman was madly in love with me for close to a year, despite me never fucking her. And she was even more beautiful than this current girl. But this time, I am not promising any exclusivity, nor making all the toxic mistakes I did in the past when I did not get my way. I have grown up and learned much, so I believe this time around things will go much smoother.


-My ultimate goal with this girl is to make her provider. Paying for our dates, house work, and providing sex

Your lay report was fun but last part gives me a creepy/ disgusting feeling. Why would you wanna make her a provider? You are looking like a user to me.

 

[justonemoreperson]

Sounds pretty great. How far down the timeline are you looking in terms of this "ultimate goal" though? And it's only been two weeks but she is hanging out doing her homework? How often do you plan to see her per week as the months go, and how long do you expect it to last?

I have limited experience with this, but had a situation where she would stay over on a weeknight, voluntarily go buy me breakfast, and drop it back off before she went to work. She would tidy up my place and do my dirty dishes that were already there, cook dinners for us... Once I locked her to the wall while she cleaned my floors. She would come on her lunch break just to bring me coffee and see me for a couple minutes.

It is good you set expectations. They don't internalize this though. This girl fully knew I fucked other girls and was worried I would think she would try to stop this, because she knew that would be a dealbreaker for me. The thing is, all the domestic action from her is not just to earn sex from you. My girl wanted "a life together".

I could have made it last longer, but had an obvious ceiling on the relationship trajectory. She would fold my laundry voluntarily, not for fun, but because she was trying out for a housewife role. It sounds great on paper. She said she wanted to "pick up a bar slut and bring her home together".

It was half a year of bliss (on my end, and a bit less on her end). But I think @Chase would tell you not to expect this to last more than around six months if you are expecting to maintain things exactly as they are and resisting moving in together and/or having children. I believe he tried a lot of this stuff and came to the conclusion that you cannot hold an exclusive lock on a girl's reproductive system if you're not going to use it. She will autoreject and eject. She's really beautiful and wants to be a doctor with a family? When she is past the honeymoon phase, she may wake up and realize it's a losing game long term.


In my case, it happened fast. I cut things off abruptly so our last memories of each other are good ones. We did not endure the last dying breath, her checking out, fighting, opening herself to options, etc. Just ripped the bandaid.

I have had other situations last longer. Some are still going over a year, approaching two years. But they are way more casual straight up fuck buddies where I do not let things get close. Very different from seeking the type of investment and dynamic you are enjoying with this girl.

She’ll Do What She Has to to Get What She Wants

Girls: pretty darn good at getting what they want from men. Apologies if this is a little rough-written. I haven’t slept in 36 hours (save a pair of 30-minute cat naps) and just spent 24 of those hours in a hospital emergency ward (not for myself; the injured party’s going to be fine we think)...

www.girlschase.com

Hey, thanks for the words of wisdom. I do not have a timeline in place, I'm heading into this half blind. I want to see what is possible and I've never had a strong relationship in person like this so even if I do end up making some mistakes I want to experience this and learn from whatever happens.

Now I'm not the type of guy to rope a girl into a relationship if I have no feelings for her. I would lose interest and desire too fast and she'd be able to tell. I want to have babies with different women that I think would be good mothers and have good genes. It's always been my goal spread my genes as much I can, so I would be completely willing to give this woman a baby eventually, but the whole raising the kid situation is where it gets tricky and I don't know how to handle it yet.

I have no desire to be a deadbeat dad since I love children and I've always wanted to raise one of my own and teach them the skills to be successful and happy and adept at navigating the world.

So I would like to have a child with this woman at some point, but without being locked in a monogamous relationship. I want to eventually have a child with a different woman, unless my priorities change at that point. And I want to accomplish all of this while being upfront about my intentions and never lying about what my goals or desires are.

Your lay report was fun but last part gives me a creepy/ disgusting feeling. Why would you wanna make her a provider? You are looking like a user to me.

My mentor has multiple girlfriends that all provide for him. I want to see what I'm capable of.

 

[KJ Francis]

Hey, thanks for the words of wisdom. I do not have a timeline in place, I'm heading into this half blind. I want to see what is possible and I've never had a strong relationship in person like this so even if I do end up making some mistakes I want to experience this and learn from whatever happens.

Now I'm not the type of guy to rope a girl into a relationship if I have no feelings for her. I would lose interest and desire too fast and she'd be able to tell. I want to have babies with different women that I think would be good mothers and have good genes. It's always been my goal spread my genes as much I can, so I would be completely willing to give this woman a baby eventually, but the whole raising the kid situation is where it gets tricky and I don't know how to handle it yet.

I have no desire to be a deadbeat dad since I love children and I've always wanted to raise one of my own and teach them the skills to be successful and happy and adept at navigating the world.

So I would like to have a child with this woman at some point, but without being locked in a monogamous relationship. I want to eventually have a child with a different woman, unless my priorities change at that point. And I want to accomplish all of this while being upfront about my intentions and never lying about what my goals or desires are.



My mentor has multiple girlfriends that all provide for him. I want to see what I'm capable of.

I think this is actually a very important discussion. For guys who know for sure they do not want kids, there is more flexibility in lifestyle design with different relationship setups. If you are willing to go down the path of raising a family with a woman though, and still do not want to be monogamous, I think you really need to plan ahead.

Unfortunately though, I think Chase and various friends of his already field tested the idea. I may have this wrong, but believe he even lived with two girls like a triad type relationship. I believe the conclusion was that regardless of how skilled you are in relationship management, you will eventually lose frame to the society you're in. So unless you can set up in some remote village somewhere and go full cult leader, it might be impossible.

I have seen women online who are married with kids in fully open relationships, so maybe it can be done if you are ok with sharing her and think she will be ok going full swinger lifestyle. The limited ones I've seen are ALL really fat though, maybe low self esteem enough to accept the situation. Your doctor girl may be able to clinch a preferable option to that path with you though. I would expect Chase et al tried it with pretty hot women who were down at first, but again, given societal pressure, maybe only the most desperate would be down to fight through that since they don't have the same social circle pressure.

Another thing to check out is the show Ilyana Fix My Life. She had a music video director with a LOT of baby mamas. I think his name is Jay Williams. It's on YouTube. They're not attractive.

Before you really start trying to open this girl's mind too far though, are you sure you want to start going down this path at this stage in your development? You have only known her two weeks. And you are doing REALLY well really fast but you have a relatively low experience level in terms of lay count, etc. right? So maybe you have yet to meet a LOT of girls you may actually prefer far more to her in the mother role, and your brain has no conception of it yet. Every guy looks back on his old girls with clearer vision. I would not fuck her up and discard her for sake of experimentation. But you are being very upfront, so I'm not saying break up or anything.

I just think this is probably the fantasy of a lot of guys and honestly a natural conclusion after understanding how a girl's attraction can lessen if you're exclusive to her.

I hope more people chime in. It's a fascinating topic. I think the rapper Future lives like this, but he pays a lot of cash for it, basically a super-provider.

 

[justonemoreperson]

Before you really start trying to open this girl's mind too far though, are you sure you want to start going down this path at this stage in your development? You have only known her two weeks. And you are doing REALLY well really fast but you have a relatively low experience level in terms of lay count, etc. right? So maybe you have yet to meet a LOT of girls you may actually prefer far more to her in the mother role, and your brain has no conception of it yet. Every guy looks back on his old girls with clearer vision. I would not fuck her up and discard her for sake of experimentation. But you are being very upfront, so I'm not saying break up or anything.

Yes, I have a low lay count and experience. You're right, I am already getting lazy naturally as a result of fucking and cumming inside this woman multiple times most days. I do not want to be locked down by this woman, or any woman. We've been seeing each other mostly every day now, she will take the bus/walk to my place after she finishes her university and stay the night. I don't really mind this as she's already starting to wash the dishes by herself, makes food for me, gives me good sex, and then afterwards I can do what I really like, which is play my favorite video game while she is doing her studies, or we watch a movie/documentary. So currently she is a welcome addition to my life. Admittedly, I have always led a parasitic lifestyle. I have family with money and I've never truly had to work or struggle with bills ever and I like the freedom I have to engage in my solitary activities that I enjoy very much. But I do feel somewhat conflicted in where this will lead, I do not want to set the wrong expectations and hurt this woman unnecessarily, I would have children with her because I want to spread my genes with beautiful women, and I would be a part of their life, but not in a way where she is living with me and so is the kid. That's too much lockdown. I would make sure I communicate this if this rship even goes that far.


For the moment, I am enjoying my first real in-person relationship with a woman. She is quickly absorbing herself into my likes and interests. Developing masochistic desires for pain during sex after I have slapped and spanked her many times, which has progressed into her wanting me to unleash my BDSM desires on her like bondage and whipping. She wants to play with me the game I love, etc. I had something like this some years ago with a woman online, but of course, it's not the same. But even that gorgeous young woman online, who was surrounded by temptation, fell madly in love with me for a year and it was only ruined by my incredibly toxic personality which I have worked a great deal on.

But the truth is, I don't think my natural relationship style is very healthy for the woman. I make a great use out of rewarding, calling her a "good girl" whenever she complies or does something I like out of her own free will, making her affirm certain phrases like, "you're papi's good little girl, aren't you?" and making her repeat it to the point that she now randomly asks me at times if I think she's a good girl, or if she's good enough for me. I reward her but I always let it linger that it can be better, that she can do more to please me, but she's doing good so far. Priming her to invest harder for my love and attention.

I don't want to talk about this stuff because I know it makes me seem like a bad person, a manipulator, etc. I don't think I can help that this is how I am when I invest in someone and I've always been this way even when I had no pickup skills and got in my first relationship(the online one) I naturally already did this and eventually making myself the most important thing in that particular woman's life seems to be the indirect goal, like in a sense it validates me.

Perhaps I'm wrong and some of you guys hold a similar style

and Btw, I've always enjoyed bonding and connecting with a woman I really liked and even when I started pick up recently I knew that my desire was to find a relationship that would give me what I wanted. I've never desired to be some stud that has 100+ lay count where a large percentage of those girls he would not ever see again. Obviously, those aren't the only 2 dynamics possible but you get my point.

 

[KJ Francis]

I think I scored a little high on the dark triad test someone posted a thread here about... So maybe my view is slightly twisted, but all the good girl rewarding stuff does not sound manipulative... Sounds like kink.

@DonGately you're into bdsm, right? I don't know much about it and have always been a little confused by the degrading aspect. Like some sexual degrading stuff like "you naughty little cumslut" or whatever, I can wrap my head around. Going deep that route with slapping and spitting in her mouth I don't fully get yet. I read one psych study that said girls with some mental issues can really like flogging pain because it sort of helps numb them into escapism? I don't know about mentally healthy girls.

Anyways...

If you had zero intentions of progressing with her and were trying to drain resources from her in really manipulative ways that are against her own benefit, that's different... But if you'd have kids and want her to take a provider role, I assume it could be done in a healthy way for the benefit of your shared family and is very much a team dynamic. But I am not an expert here whatsoever.

That said... Hanging out this often this early sounds like a recipe for disaster unless you were both like head over heels and both in your 30's and wanting a monogamous marriage to the same degree...

I would search for @Skills stuff on how to start a relationship and treat it like a fuck buddy for the first few months. Might be too late to do a really drastic slowdown though.

 

[justonemoreperson]

That said... Hanging out this often this early sounds like a recipe for disaster unless you were both like head over heels and both in your 30's and wanting a monogamous marriage to the same degree...

I'm actually starting to get annoyed with her and I can tell it would only get worse, so I'm dropping her home today and gonna suggest we meet next week.

On my phone so can't edit post,

But just wanna say @Francis you are right. I'm getting a little too invested in this girl so gonna put my foot down and limit our meets and focus more of my time on meeting new girls

 

[justonemoreperson]

Yesterday I told this girl that we needed to slow it down and just straight up told her that we liked each other and had a great connection and hanging out this much so soon is gonna kill that and I wanted to enjoy her for a long time, anyway she was cool with it and my reasoning made sense to her

I flogged the shit outta her yesterday. Her back, ass, legs, tits, stomach, shoulders. She's says she likes trying new things and likes to please me

Some weird shit happened we had just finished sex and I had a booger in my nose, I picked it out and put it on her arm jokingly and told her to eat it as a joke... this girl no hesitation at my big ass booger I'm still reeling about that

 

[DonGately]

@DonGately you're into bdsm, right? I don't know much about it and have always been a little confused by the degrading aspect. Like some sexual degrading stuff like "you naughty little cumslut" or whatever, I can wrap my head around. Going deep that route with slapping and spitting in her mouth I don't fully get yet. I read one psych study that said girls with some mental issues can really like flogging pain because it sort of helps numb them into escapism? I don't know about mentally healthy girls.

Well, it obviously all depends on both what is sexually attractive behavior to you, and what she enjoys. Degradation/humiliation is a different kink than BDSM although obviously some enjoy both. Many, many, many girls I've been with loved being verbally degraded. Discipline can mean many things - spanking, slapping, choking, et al. Again, most girls I've met have been well up for the spanking and light choking, while others really wanted to be whipped or caned/face slapping, spitting. The very first time I spit in a girls mouth and slapped her while I was banging her she came 20x in a row, just having a new orgasm every few seconds after the last one ended. That was eye-opening for me, but again, not for every girl.

The M in BDSM stands for masochism after all, so yes, some girls like the pain because it sends them into subspace or what you call escapism. The body certainly releases endorphins in response to pain and if you mix that with sexual pleasure it's like an electric rod being applies for some of them. And that applies to mentally healthy girls as well, although I suspect moreso who've suffered trauma in the past. Roleplay can also be helpful for them.

I've had two attractive, petite girls ask me to punch them in the face -- I declined. One of them was begging me to do it but not my kink so no way. And she was late 20s, thin, attractive, professional woman. So any BDSM playtime starts essentially with a Venn diagram of your kinks and her kinks, and using the overlap. You can also certainly invite her to try new things such as the bondage if she never has, verbal stuff, water sports, electro play, whatever, girls are very curious sexually and most of them are way dirtier than you will ever know. When you're with a girl whose sexual boundaries are far outside your own it's an interesting experience!

Trust is the key factor, not surprisingly. And they are always allowed to withdraw their consent, so the last 19yr old I banged on a regular basis at first wanted me to slap her face while she was blowing me, but over time no longer enjoyed it, even as she enjoyed more pain/impact play - so I stopped doing it.

For those who aren't into the S&M aspects, or impact play, there are plenty of women who would love to have a Dom/sub relationship with the right man [D/s as it's usually noted]. They love to please. My guess is over 90% of women are naturally submissive, even or especially the ones who are dominant at work/in public. Most of them I'd say would happily join you in the kink world if introduced to it slowly and pleasurably.

 

[DonGately]

Here's a msg I got from a 20yr cute girl today: 'Looking for a dick, married is my preference tbh but not a deal breaking, that likes having a younger toy. Into lots but prefer fulfilling your fantasies. Tell me your age, biggest age gap you’ve been a part of, and favorite kinks....I need you to take control and have your way with me.'

She msg'd me because she specifically wants an over 40 kinky, dominant man. There are so so many girls out there like this, particularly in college/grad school.

 

[KJ Francis]

How's it going now - did it slow, how'd she react?

What does the flogging do for you? My curiosity with kink and BDSM has always been more so from the obvious effect it has on their enjoyment, almost like it's necessary to unlock her orgasmic potential, which affects how affectionate she is toward me.

@DonGately thank you for the great writeup! Do you have any suggestions for resources to learn more and apply it to my sex life? One thing I want to read you might find interesting is Ogi Ogas - A Billion Wicked Thoughts.

When I was told about degradation, it also included non-sexual elements like sort of putting her down personally for where she came from. I guess women want a man who's far above them and that kind of reinforces that she's by far the submissive party... Still seemed cruel. I guess some people do like to lick boots and stuff.

 

[DonGately]

Sure it can be verbal humiliation and telling her how worthless and stupid she is, I've had girls hold up degrading 3x5 cards while I took nude photos of them: Cum Dump, Dumb Slut, etc and they are smiling in all of them. I guess I've had a couple girls lick my top of shoes but not really a turn on for me. Much better to make them rub their cunt on them as they beg for your cock.

Got this DM just an hour ago from a professional 30yr woman:
'Love spankings, slapping, big fan of hard choking. I've actually never done wax play. ...I would love to try out this electro-wand, it sounds really exciting honestly. I feel like getting distracted and yelping in pain sounds like it'd make everything hotter.
I would love the opportunity to recieve bruises from you though'

Like I've been telling people for years, these young woman are everywhere, every age: 19. 24, 30.

 

[justonemoreperson]

How's it going now - did it slow, how'd she react?

She was ok with the idea, but I said fuck it. I knew what I wanted, she wanted it also so I didn't hold back. Because I'm currently in a part of my life where I need to focus on my finances and career so having a stable relationship is more important to me right now.

My gut instinct about this girl ended up being right and she has been a great girlfriend so far. Interestingly despite most men's warnings to only see a woman once a week or she will become bored, hasn't happened. We see each other about 4-5 days a week and that's been consistent since we met in October. She has only grown in love and desire to please me since then, not grown bored or desiring to spend less time together.

We have a lot of sex. I am very high sex drive, and on the weekends it's normal for us to have 3-5 sessions per day each lasting 30m+, sometimes I like to go for an hour and more, if I'm really in the mood, as I really enjoy making her cum so I make sure I pace myself always. I make her cum a lot, and also recently I got her comfortable enough to let herself squirt during penetration. Before, she would tell me to stop and say she needed to pee, I needed some time to convince her to let go and enjoy it and she did and it was great. Anyways, She's got a really tight vagina with some lovely childbearing hips and always stays very slim for me, so I really enjoy having sex with her haha.

As for bdsm stuff, since I just love the penetration aspect so much, these days I mostly stick to things I can do during penetration like slapping, spitting in her mouth, biting her neck, and choking her neck. When she's riding me I like to scratch her back and slap her ass, basic

No drama from her side at all these months. No started fights, just good vibes. She brings up her issues in a logical way, and tells me if something I did made her feel hurt/bad, and we talk it out and it always ends well

Today, we were in bed, and I was showing her something on my phone and she saw from my tabs that I had redownloaded a dating app, she got up from the bed and went to the bathroom, then came out and told me that she's hurt by what I did, and that instead of going behind her back, if I wanted to explore other options, to just tell her, and that she wouldn't mind having something more casual, but not to lie to her about wanting to be serious with her and hurt her feelings, she says. She said me downloading that app meant I had doubts about wanting something serious with her. And that even if we broke up one day she would still want to be my friend. I reassured her that I did want something serious with her.

I still occasionally enjoy the attention of a novel woman, it's fun and it gives me little butterflies in my stomach. But I would be stupid to ignore how great of a woman my current girlfriend is. I have "trained" her in a lot of ways, improving her sexual skills, her cooking, her cleaning the house, etc. She helps me with my groceries and laundry, willingly doing both alone and bringing them to me but instead I just have her help me and we both do it because I don't want to take advantage of her.

Despite her being at the end of her bachelor's for bio and having a lot of exams and studying to do, she chooses to do those things for me and also comes over to my place by taking 2 buses, and she does that most days of the week unless I pick her up which I do sometimes, but mostly she takes the bus for free with student id.

I am tight on money right now. Moved into a new spot and the rent is high, too far for my old work so I've recently dipped my feet into a new sales position from an old boss, I start soon but I have rent due in less than 2 months and I need to make money, or go homeless and all my cats get lost in the shelter or streets. Really I care more about the pets I have under my care, my oldest has been with me for over a decade. I decided to keep them all together, the females in my family loved collecting the neighborhood strays and I took responsibility over them because after they were no longer kittens the women did not care for the cats as well so I took that upon myself when I moved.

Anyways, I want my girlfriend to move in to my place with me and help me with the rent, her parents pay her current rent and that's all she would have to pay me, and that would take a huge load off my shoulders, as well as having her home every day for coffee and breakfast, dinner, and sex. I've introduced the idea to her a month ago, and she's told me that while she would love to move in with me, since she's a foreign exchange student, after she graduates she will have to move back to France unless she gets accepted to a medical school in the US, which she is planning to apply for afterwards and while she's going to try and stay where we currently are she might not get accepted to anything near by, so she is a bit scared of getting very serious with me and then just needing to go somewhere else for her career. She told me that her current semester is very difficult and she can't deal with moving right now, but after this semester ends that we can talk about it more seriously.

I know normally it's recommended to let the woman be the one to push things like moving in, but this is something where both our lives would benefit from doing so, in a variety of ways, not just mine but also hers, as I give almost as much as I take.

I could also marry this woman to give her the green card, I genuinely do not mind the idea but when I half-jokingly presented it to her she says she could never marry for that reason.. But seemed convincible if that just happens to be one of the reasons, not the main reason . The reason why this would interest me isn't only to help her however, she is French, and marrying her would give me an opportunity to apply for French citizenship and gain an easy path into Europe, which is where I'd like to settle down in and live my life. More specifically, I want to live in France's neighbor, Spain. But I am very interested in exploring and learning about Europe, as I find it's history fascinatingly beautiful. My goal is to sustain a remote way of making income or amassing enough wealth that after my legal cases in the US are done I can move and live in Europe the rest of my life, hopefully.