Process Development Questions

[KJ Francis]

Continuing from this thread:

PROCESS: Structured Game Progression

Here are some process outlines I aim to combine, then pare down to essentials. My default is to get to know someone, so this structures an order to remember to tease, touch, delay qualification and deep diving, set sexual frames, etc. Mystery - Venusian Arts Handbook 60 Years of Challenge -...

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Here is the reposted current work in progress. Whole point is to then heavily field test. Please feel free to share any opinions - what can be removed, reordered, or anything else. This is meant to be a process of action steps for quick reference, so it omits fundamentals, etc. I would recommend reading the source material mentioned in the thread linked above to really understand it.

I will post questions in a reply.

• A1
  • Opening is a social screening process that can require multiple rejections to builds momentum, social proof, and required preselection for later
  • Look for proximity and eye contact. Get her to look at you first. Otherwise 3-Second Rule, energy level slightly higher
  • Face away as if leaving, open over shoulder. If moving, walk same trajectory, slightly in front
  • False Time Constraint if possible. Open group, indirect. Situationally relevant opener if possible. If moving, genuine compliment (fashion, hair, energy, walk).
    • "You are having way too much fun over here."
    • "You can't look at me like that and not say hi."
    • "How's your day/night going?", or "How's this place been so far tonight?"
    • "What brings you out tonight?", or "What are you celebrating?"
  • Handclasp opening with name introductions, to gauge interest with lingering silence until she releases
  • End A1: Social hook point

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• A2
  • Banter about her or situation (with rich sensory and emotional descriptions if possible). Cold Read.
  • Tease within first 30 seconds and continually throughout to set clear sexual frame (and chase frame if possible). Telegraph disinterest with false disqualifiers (wouldn't work out; she is too nice)
  • If group, "So how do you all know each other?"
  • DHV (to rest of group if possible): preselection, leader, protector, emoting, successful risk-taker
  • Nonverbal:
    • Hold deadpan face contact, seductive smirk, and visualize kissing. Get close and allow silent tension. Kino escalation (from hand). Be unreactive to resistance.
    • Two minutes in: move her if possible (especially if solo), with protective touch (depending on comfort: back of arm, upper back, lower back)
    • Lock in (lean against something with girl facing) sometime during A2
  • Compliance Test, then give IOI, then IOD. If no compliance, give IOD, then DHV, then retest
  • End A2: receive IOIs

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• A3
  • Inquire current plans, explore logistics during A3
  • Screening (passions, if you could be anything, best qualities, school, growing up)
  • Kino escalation, then push away. Use Takeaways
    • Three minutes in: forearm touch during a tease. (Repeat every five minutes throughout, escalating up arm, down to waist)
  • Compliance Test, then give IOI, then IOD. If no compliance, give IOD, then DHV, then retest
    • Touch and verbalize inspecting jewelry, clothing, etc.
  • Qualifiers, IOI, then IOD. Statement of Interest. Compliment style/energy/poise, behavior
  • End A3: Bait her DHV, reward, repeat. Early Time Bridge if time constrained, or quick pull.

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• C1
  • Five to ten minutes in: move to seating with hand on lower back if close, or linked arms/hand if far. Sit with legs touching. Put arm around and pull her in if needed, then remove arm.
  • Only IOD used in C1 is freeze-out
  • Deep dive
    • Start deep dive into motivations, rapport building. Ask questions with lingering touch (five seconds). Hand on thigh (20 seconds) during her deep disclosure
    • Chase framed tease and touch, interspersed every four to eight minutes during deep dive.
    • Elicit values, then passively show attitude similarity
  • Seed the pull on a high note during C1
  • Rich description of emotions experienced from her favorite activity in ideal setting
  • Vulnerable grounding story from childhood to current identity
  • Look for escalation windows. Otherwise pull after 90-120 minutes. Leave with linked arms/hand, lightly flirting/teasing.
  • End C1: Bounce or Time Bridge

Gambits to possibly incorporate:

• A2
  • "Unfair" section. Incorporate Madonna/whore and discretion for her social safety. 3 Sex Gambits: Good/Bad Sex, Sex is Unfair, and the Dark Side
  • End of A2. "Who are you" transition: The Mirror
• A3
  • Sex Talk Gambit: Female Submission
  • Screen her openness, frame against jealousy (@Karea Ricardus D. post). Somewhat bold: How to Use Sexual Qualification to Prime Women for Sex
  • Second and Third scenario: Make Yourself the Sexual Prize by Showing Her Your Sexual Standards
  • Combine with Takeaway. Whisper in ear. Bold: Pickup and Seduction Gambit: The Femme Fatale
  • A3 screening? Or C phase? Mix with unfairness gambit? The Purity Gambit: Open Up Sexual Topics in a Surprising Way
• C Phase
  • C1? Making a Girl Trust & Feel Comfortable with You (Seduction Gambit)
  • Short version? Pickup and Seduction Gambit: Sexual Frustration
  • C phase? Somewhat bold: Pickup and Seduction Gambit: Narratives

Worth reading:

The Patchwork Seducer

Do you learn seduction by following a teacher or method you trust? Or are you “piecing together” a patchwork style taken from bits and pieces adopted from here and there? I've gotta be honest: I can be a little closed-minded, at least while in my learning phase. When I first discovered the...

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[KJ Francis]

Questions:

• A1
  • Open group, indirect.
    • Assuming 3-set for example where the girl's attention and body language is NOT obviously wandering outside her group - is opening the group all at once still the best move?
    • Thoughts: MM assumes girl starts at higher value. However, we can focus more on the point that this is meant to buy time to show your personality and avoid auto rejection (either too low attainability obvious player approaching cute target, or too high attainability being tenth guy to approach super HB with bitch shield). It avoids telegraphing too early interest and removes her ability to reject you. Super indirect since you are simply being social with the group until the target shows IOI. Point is to "not hit on her" per Mystery.
  • If moving, genuine compliment (fashion, hair, energy, walk).
    • Still open direct if moving set is inside night game venue?
    • Are there any other easy defaults for daytime street stops? Say a girl is going to class in the most basic outfit ever, hair pulled back, in school zombie mode with no special energy or pep to her step, but she has the most beautiful facial features you have seen all week. Is there a last resort default you can use without thinking too hard? Maybe her "energy" is still the best option?

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• A2
  • Telegraph disinterest with false disqualifiers (wouldn't work out; she is too nice)
    • This I may remove. I still want to withold interest until she shows it. This may be too flirty and not a true IOD. Mystery would use more serious negs (is she always like this; how do you roll with her; nice nails are they real). Could maybe simply calibrate the teasing and the 60YOC style tension to show lower interest until she shows some.
  • DHV (to rest of group if possible): preselection, leader, protector, emoting, successful risk-taker
    • How to verbally communicate preselection? One is through gambits (I was talking to my friend Maria about...)
    • Discard all DHV stories and keep focus on cold reads and asking about the group? Unless specifically asked about self (I rob banks to help animal shelters because the Sarah McLaughlin commercials touch me deeply)
  • Hold deadpan face contact, seductive smirk, and visualize kissing. Get close and allow silent tension. Kino escalation (from hand). Be unreactive to resistance.
    • Note unreactive means emotionally and don't let her bait you into breaking rapport. Take step back then persist, but this doesn't mean keep touching her if she's pulling away.
  • Compliance Test, then give IOI, then IOD. If no compliance, give IOD, then DHV, then retest
    • What is a good early compliance test to use in A2? I.e. handclasp in A1 and inspecting jewelry etc. in A3. An easy default that does not communicate too much interest at that point.

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• A3
  • Screening (passions, if you could be anything, best qualities, school, growing up)
    • Add screening for seduction oriented qualities like adventurousness, impulsivity, etc.

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If C2 time bridge: Add Skills 3 bounce if possible. First location quick meet/bounce. Second location, start over from A2 with teasing (can include Grandmaster, cocky funny). Micro escalations. Third bounce arousal gambits

Add plausible deniability for pull (come check out my cool ceiling - jk that's a Chase deep cut. Unless you have glow in the dark star stickers)

 

[KJ Francis]

@PaulieFlyn10 what do you think is the main aspect missing for day game? I figured it all applies except ignore group stuff in most cases?

 

[Skills]

yes i would remove this, does not work well with gen z, outdated... There are some things you got a be careful with, with the old models, need to be adapted to gen z...

A2

• Telegraph disinterest with false disqualifiers (wouldn't work out; she is too nice)
  • This I may remove. I still want to withold interest until she shows it. This may be too flirty and not a true IOD. Mystery would use more serious negs (is she always like this; how do you roll with her; nice nails are they real). Could maybe simply calibrate the teasing and the 60YOC style tension to show lower interest until she shows some.