Casual/FWB Rotations are massively overrated...

[Skills]

So what is a rotation.- A rotation is a group of girls you are constantly seeing, obviously more than 1 girl.... A rotation is not be confused with access to vagina....

Access to vagina.- I call a former ex, or fb that you instinctively know if you ping, and you work her a bit, she may be down...

Now this is from a guy that like seduction more as an art and a sport,,, based on this post


Advantages of rotations:

-sex variety
- different sexual women skillset
-anti-no sex streaks that can last for some guys months to even years.
- abundance mentality (i think overrated though after you are not a afc/new guy)
- help you with cope ( "you don't want to comply let me next you and call some other girl)
- Help with punishment and behavior correction (nexting)
-help you look like a pimp to other dudes that can't pull it off..
-help you with social proof in the community i guess...

I have always think they are over rated, hyped up in the community, and a form of cope tbh from certain guys in the community(though in this forum no many guys maybe 3 that i know of)..... The cope is "i don't want to go out there and sarge new girls if i don't have to, i am happy fucking the same 2 or 3 girls"

For me rotations are not optimal, but again this is my opinion, you don't have to agree, here is the disadvantages:

-sexual overload.- You do think this is a good problem to have but i want you to try eating food when you are full as an analogy...

- destroy killer instinct.- when you are gaming your killer instinct will be destroyed by at least 50-75%.... This will definetely affect DIRECTLY your ability to bed fast new women... However, in fairness in some cases help, with things such as containment in sarges, and texting.... But for ons it will totally DIRECTLY AFFECT IT...

-drama.- Wait what? People think oh you do drama you next them.... Of course this works, but you are getting it in the first place.... Most women don't get there like that in the first place... hard to explain, but i will give it a go.... Women jump to your frame, so they are on best behavior, when they are rotation this will give the artificial competition anxiety that will eventually post the not on the best behavior act up drama in the first place. though is minimal or minor and you don't really have to next them... The one you get the most is that lack of you wanting to see them, time gap of encounters.

hopelessness.-From women that you can tell are not happy with the situation and just complying cause they have no choice.... Is not the same as a girls that 100% in herself vs a "i have to comply" is kind of light version of guys that we call providers that are not getting the raw sexual desired, but a quick pro quo...... In this one you are getting the raw sexual desire but there is an invisible "hold back like i have to, i have no choice hopelessness in the sub"

Time consuming.- I personally average 2-4 hours, if i have to be honest is 4 hours on average, imagine if you are seeing 4 girls.... that is about 16 hours a week.

Stds.- is not the heavy stds, but if you are going raw, from one girl to another due to ph changes, they may get mainly bacterial infections and you will get it as well...

women will fall.- this is the point i was making to james cruise of being the best.... this women, in my scenarios they all end falling madly in love.... No matter, i don't do boyfriend activities, if i give the talk, if i treat them cold.... They pretty much end up falling after 3 fucks... Again, i am talking for myself my post.... This in turn for me is drama.... (a girl falling in love with my getting all emotional and helplessness, TO ME, is drama...

Stress of dumping them.- I really don't like dumping and hurting women, and no way to avoid this... it gets 10x with rotations...

coolidge.- You will hit the coolidge, will take longer but you will hit it anyways.... after about the 7th fuck, combine with them falling in love...


If master pua glorifies rotations, good for them.. this is my post my experiences..... It has always been like this for me, gen x, gen z, milleneals... same shit...


Unfortunately ROTATIONS ARE CRUSIAL, in the vetting process to find a main.... as i advocate in the post...

but for me serial 1 main partner, ons model is awsome...

or serial 1 main partner, side girls constantly being changed works too...

or idially a combination of the above...^

and/or serial monogamy till honey period ends(6 months to a year) while sarging (cause a lot of guys, just stop) vs long years ltrs no sarging....

^ you are more than welcome to field test for yourselves... Everything i am writing in the post, and i have never, nor i am impress and never have with the poly guys (we don't have them here, other than couple of disciples of the original poly guys of nextasf)....

 

[KJ Francis]

yeah honestly I have to admit the only reason I do it is because I do not have the skill to get a new ONS every weekend, and then keep her around only because I like her company, and not because I have a need for the sexual option. coming from scarcity where you may have dates but not lays, it becomes the fantasy that all these girls would really want you and stay "on tap / on call". having the absolute abundance of being able to go out and get a new girl to reach the same level of sexual activity is a loftier goal.

at my current level it is essential for neediness management with newer prospects. but the ones who stick around long term (a few of mine at 1.5 years) and don't leave to find something better are sticking around because they can't find something better, so it goes both ways. so I agree on the hopelessness and women falling. this morning I was pretending to be asleep and she whispered "I love you" in my ear. after I showered and she made coffee I was out of there. it's a huge cop-out for not having a large approach funnel.

 

[Skills]

yeah honestly I have to admit the only reason I do it is because I do not have the skill to get a new ONS every weekend, and then keep her around only because I like her company, and not because I have a need for the sexual option. coming from scarcity where you may have dates but not lays, it becomes the fantasy that all these girls would really want you and stay "on tap / on call". having the absolute abundance of being able to go out and get a new girl to reach the same level of sexual activity is a loftier goal.

at my current level it is essential for neediness management with newer prospects. but the ones who stick around long term (a few of mine at 1.5 years) and don't leave to find something better are sticking around because they can't find something better, so it goes both ways. so I agree on the hopelessness and women falling. this morning I was pretending to be asleep and she whispered "I love you" in my ear. after I showered and she made coffee I was out of there. it's a huge cop-out for not having a large approach funnel.

This is call default monogamy... Though, who cares what is called..... now a days no many guys are doing ons every weekend CONSISTANTLY, in usa... regardless of level for what i am seeing... But back in the days this was normal 1-3... those days are gone.... easier to do that online, but leads to burn out.... Plus i am not advocating ONS every weekend, i was making the point on the post, in the context you meet a girl and you like her, harder to pull when your balls are drained, and your dick is on protest...

 

[KJ Francis]

This is call default monogamy... Though, who cares what is called..... now a days no many guys are doing ons every weekend CONSISTANTLY, in usa... regardless of level for what i am seeing... But back in the days this was normal 1-3... those days are gone.... easier to do that online, but leads to burn out.... Plus i am not advocating ONS every weekend, i was making the point on the post, in the context you meet a girl and you like her, harder to pull when your balls are drained, and your dick is on protest...

Yep I cancelled on another girl for tonight because I came again this morning. And my sleep quality is so shit when someone else is there I don't have the energy to go fuck this girl lol "first world problems"...

So yeah definitely not going to night game tonight now either so your point is well taken... It's like anti-momentum.

 

[topcat]

So what is a rotation.- A rotation is a group of girls you are constantly seeing, obviously more than 1 girl.... A rotation is not be confused with access to vagina....

Access to vagina.- I call a former ex, or fb that you instinctively know if you ping, and you work her a bit, she me be down...

Now this is from a guy that like seduction more as an art and a sport,,, based on this post


Advantages of rotations:

-sex variety
- different sexual women skillset
-anti-no sex streaks that can last for some guys months to even years.
- abundance mentality (i think overrated though after you are not a afc/new guy)
- help you with cope ( "you don't want to comply let me next you and call some other girl)
- Help with punishment and behavior correction (nexting)
-help you look like a pimp to other dudes that can't pull it off..
-help you with social proof in the community i guess...

I have always think they are over rated, hyped up in the community, and a form of cope tbh from certain guys in the community(though in this forum no many guys maybe 3 that i know of)..... The cope is "i don't want to go out there and sarge new girls if i don't have to, i am happy fucking the same 2 or 3 girls"

For me rotations are not optimal, but again this is my opinion, you don't have to agree, here is the disadvantages:

-sexual overload.- You do think this is a good problem to have but i want you to try eating food when you are full as an analogy...

- destroy killer instinct.- when you are gaming your killer instinct will be destroyed by at least 50-75%.... This will definetely affect DIRECTLY your ability to bed fast new women... However, in fairness in some cases help, with things such as containment in sarges, and texting.... But for ons it will totally DIRECTLY AFFECT IT...

-drama.- Wait what? People think oh you do drama you next them.... Of course this works, but you are getting it in the first place.... Most women don't get there like that in the first place... hard to explain, but i will give it a go.... Women jump to your frame, so they are on best behavior, when they are rotation this will give the artificial competition anxiety that will eventually post the not on the best behavior act up drama in the first place. though is minimal or minor and you don't really have to next them... The one you get the most is that lack of you wanting to see them, time gap of encounters.

hopelessness.-From women that you can tell are not happy with the situation and just complying cause they have no choice.... Is not the same as a girls that 100% in herself vs a "i have to comply" is kind of light version of guys that we call providers that are not getting the raw sexual desired, but a quick pro quo...... In this one you are getting the raw sexual desire but there is an invisible "hold back like i have to, i have no choice hopelessness in the sub"

Time consuming.- I personally average 2-4 hours, if i have to be honest is 4 hours on average, imagine if you are seeing 4 girls.... that is about 16 hours a week.

Stds.- is not the heavy stds, but if you are going raw, from one girl to another due to ph changes, they may get mainly bacterial infections and you will get it as well...

women will fall.- this is the point i was making to james cruise of being the best.... this women, in my scenarios they all end falling madly in love.... No matter, i don't do boyfriend activities, if i give the talk, if i treat them cold.... They pretty much end up falling after 3 fucks... Again, i am talking for myself my post.... This in turn for me is drama.... (a girl falling in love with my getting all emotional and helplessness, TO ME, is drama...

Stress of dumping them.- I really don't like dumping and hurting women, and no way to avoid this... it gets 10x with rotations...

coolidge.- You will hit the coolidge, will take longer but you will hit it anyways.... after about the 7th fuck, combine with them falling in love...


If master pua glorifies rotations, good for them.. this is my post my experiences..... It has always been like this for me, gen x, gen z, milleneals... same shit...


Unfortunately ROTATIONS ARE CRUSIAL, in the vetting process to find a main.... as i advocate in the post...

but for me serial 1 main partner, ons model is awsome...

or serial 1 main partner, side girls constantly being changed works too...

or idially a combination of the above...^

and/or serial monogamy till honey period ends(6 months to a year) while sarging (cause a lot of guys, just stop) vs long years ltrs no sarging....

^ you are more than welcome to field test for yourselves... Everything i am writing in the post, and i have never, nor i am impress and never have with the poly guys (we don't have them here, other than couple of disciples of the original poly guys of nextasf)....

lol you’ve lived a thousand lifetimes I swear..

This is exactly everything i’ve found about rotations also.

Especially about it being more drama (minimal, but still drama); having to manage each girls emotions and make sure you see them just enough that they don’t start getting sour towards you and feeling neglected. They end up feeling it anyway..even if the reason ur busy is for work or whatever else..

Good post.

1 mltr + sidechicks + ons’s is my ideal model

 

[Warped Mindless]

Advantages of rotations:

-sex variety
- different sexual women skillset
-anti-no sex streaks that can last for some guys months to even years.
- abundance mentality (i think overrated though after you are not a afc/new guy)
- help you with cope ( "you don't want to comply let me next you and call some other girl)
- Help with punishment and behavior correction (nexting)
-help you look like a pimp to other dudes that can't pull it off..
-help you with social proof in the community i guess...

Yep, 100% agree.

The cope is "i don't want to go out there and sarge new girls if i don't have to, i am happy fucking the same 2 or 3 girls"

Why is that a bad thing? I’ve had periods in my life where I wanted to focus 100% of my energy on some big goal (usually business related). During those times it was always nice having a consistent supply of sex without having to take much time away from my big focus. I see your point though, it can definitely make some guys complacent and rusty and when their women in the rotation fuck off they are going to have a little trouble at first getting more. Not the case with every guy every time tho. I think it also comes down to what BD always called the “thrill of the hunt” vs “pleasure of sex” guys. Some guys love the seduction itself and sex is the bonus, other men just want the sex and wouldn’t mind skipping all “game” stuff it takes to get there if they could.

sexual overload.- You do think this is a good problem to have but i want you to try eating food when you are full as an analogy...

Agree. I know I can get “burned out” on sex actually when im having it all the time. Not so much a problem anymore because I know myself better but back in my 20s when I was doing this shit hardcore and had a bunch of girls “on rotation” I remember several times that sex just kinda got stale.

destroy killer instinct.- when you are gaming your killer instinct will be destroyed by at least 50-75%.... This will definetely affect DIRECTLY your ability to bed fast new women... However, in fairness in some cases help, with things such as containment in sarges, and texting.... But for ons it will totally DIRECTLY AFFECT IT...

Depends on the person perhaps. But it’s like saying “I don’t want a bunch of clients because then I won’t work as hard getting new clients.” I think once again it comes down to what you want more: just good sex or sex with new women. The older I get the less I care about sex with new random women. I like having three that I enjoy sex with. But again, neither is right or wrong, just preferences. But yeah, if someone just wants to rack up lays with a bunch of women (nothing wrong with that. Spent my entire 20s doing that and I don’t regret it) then having easy sex on stand by could hurt the motivation I suppose.

drama.- Wait what? People think oh you do drama you next them.... Of course this works, but you are getting it in the first place.... Most women don't get there like that in the first place... hard to explain, but i will give it a go.... Women jump to your frame, so they are on best behavior, when they are rotation this will give the artificial competition anxiety that will eventually post the not on the best behavior act up drama in the first place. though is minimal or minor and you don't really have to next them... The one you get the most is that lack of you wanting to see them, time gap of encounters.

The more selective you are with the women you pick, and of course the better your “game” and frame control and all that the less drama you will have. But yes, some drama will happen eventually. Picking high sex drive, non monogamous, naturally submissive women who don’t meet each other is what I’ve found to work best.

hopelessness.-From women that you can tell are not happy with the situation and just complying cause they have no choice.... Is not the same as a girls that 100% in herself vs a "i have to comply" is kind of light version of guys that we call providers that are not getting the raw sexual desired, but a quick pro quo...... In this one you are getting the raw sexual desire but there is an invisible "hold back like i have to, i have no choice hopelessness in the sub"

Get where you are coming from. For me I look at it like this: All the women in my “rotation” are hot cool women. It’s not like they can’t get monogamy with some cool dude if that’s what they really want. Maybe im just arrogant but I fully believe I bring enough to the table that im worth her having to deal with sharing me with other women. That said, now that I proactively select for women who has no desire for monogamy this isn’t as much of a problem. Definitely had women back in the day who didn’t want to share me but would stay with me for a long time because it’s the only way she could have me. I would feel some guilt about that at first until I realized that she must think I’m worth it too! These women who are really are up about it always leave eventually bo matter how much they love you because eventually they want to try their “dream monogamy relationship.” It’s funny because often they do that, break up with their mono bc after a year and comes hitting me back up. I’m betting you have seen this happen to you too. I stopped feeling bad about making her have to share because she knows full well by then what she’s getting into.

Anyways, that’s my long winded way of saying that I’ve found that if you purposefully screen for women who hates monogamy that this drawback fixes itself. Of course, you have to be ok with women in your rotation fucking other men and a lot of guys can’t handle that.

Time consuming.- I personally average 2-4 hours, if i have to be honest is 4 hours on average, imagine if you are seeing 4 girls.... that is about 16 hours a week.

I’ve definitely had this happen. What I found works best is to have one main girl that is like a typical GF that I spend time with and do couple shit with. That takes time. The other two are just fuck buddies and they know that’s what they are. When you frame it that way to them and set expectations you can get away with making it as little as an hour without troubles. Definitely a time
Saver.

Stds.- is not the heavy stds, but if you are going raw, from one girl to another due to ph changes, they may get mainly bacterial infections and you will get it as well...

Yes! I’ve gotten stds from regular girls on rotation before. Can’t always trust that your FBs are making other dudes use condoms.

this women, in my scenarios they all end falling madly in love.... No matter, i don't do boyfriend activities, if i give the talk, if i treat them cold.... They pretty much end up falling after 3 fucks... Again, i am talking for myself my post.... This in turn for me is drama.... (a girl falling in love with my getting all emotional and helplessness, TO ME, is drama...

Again helps if you only spend an hour with them just fucking and not doing any type of BF behaviors. But yes, some will fall no matter what. That’s when sometimes they back up and go from “yeah I’m cool with non monogamy I hate the idea of only being with one person” to “I just want us to be together and just us!” Unfortunately this is often where they exit the rotation and goes and hooks up with a backup for a quick monogamous relationship to get it out of their system.

Stress of dumping them.- I really don't like dumping and hurting women, and no way to avoid this... it gets 10x with rotations...

Yeah this can suck but if your honest from the outset about your intentions and what you want, ultimately it’s on them if you break up with them due to excessive drama or if they breakup with you because you won’t commit to them.

Anyways, just my 2 cents since I’ve been doing this a long time. Always LOVE seeing a new Skills post even if I don’t always agree 100% with everything.

 

[Skills]

Why is that a bad thing? I’ve had periods in my life where I wanted to focus 100% of my energy on some big goal (usually business related). During those times it was always nice having a consistent supply of sex without having to take much time away from my big focus.

Agree, what i am saying that is easier to do with the 3 different models i suggest at the end....for example if i have to do that the most optimal imho would be a main + ons or a main with recyclable one on the side (constantly being changed or even sugar babies or even a pro to be honest)

I see your point though, it can definitely make some guys complacent and rusty and when their women in the rotation fuck off they are going to have a little trouble at first getting more. Not the case with every guy every time tho. I think it also comes down to what BD always called the “thrill of the hunt” vs “pleasure of sex” guys. Some guys love the seduction itself and sex is the bonus, other men just want the sex and wouldn’t mind skipping all “game” stuff it takes to get there if they could.

yes i am talking about the complacent context... Does not apply at all to you...

Agree. I know I can get “burned out” on sex actually when im having it all the time. Not so much a problem anymore because I know myself better but back in my 20s when I was doing this shit hardcore and had a bunch of girls “on rotation” I remember several times that sex just kinda got stale.

yes... you hit coolidge

Depends on the person perhaps. But it’s like saying “I don’t want a bunch of clients because then I won’t work as hard getting new clients.” I think once again it comes down to what you want more: just good sex or sex with new women. The older I get the less I care about sex with new random women. I like having three that I enjoy sex with. But again, neither is right or wrong, just preferences. But yeah, if someone just wants to rack up lays with a bunch of women (nothing wrong with that. Spent my entire 20s doing that and I don’t regret it) then having easy sex on stand by could hurt the motivation I suppose.

Again wm you are missing context, you had sex with a girl for 4 hours, then in the club you meet a hottie, your killer instinct won't be 100%.... You want me to give you a biz analogy, you just landed two huge deals, you have a new client giving you shit! you won't be as sharp handling objections with a third client same day vs if you were about to be running out of money no clients (actually this scenario is common in sales)..

The more selective you are with the women you pick, and of course the better your “game” and frame control and all that the less drama you will have. But yes, some drama will happen eventually. Picking high sex drive, non monogamous, naturally submissive women who don’t meet each other is what I’ve found to work best.

All the girls we all get are similar, high sex drive, submissive, the "non monogamous" is a front, women are women, unless she just broke up, actually, again even them, women are women, non monogamous fall and is a nebulous term(obviously they are non monogamous is an oxy moran they are in a rotation lol).... You still saying you will get some drama... is not the drama of yelling, acting like a little girl, crossing bounderies, being annoying... is more of an emotional management as per topcat entry before yours...

Get where you are coming from. For me I look at it like this: All the women in my “rotation” are hot cool women. It’s not like they can’t get monogamy with some cool dude if that’s what they really want. Maybe im just arrogant but I fully believe I bring enough to the table that im worth her having to deal with sharing me with other women. That said, now that I proactively select for women who has no desire for monogamy this isn’t as much of a problem. Definitely had women back in the day who didn’t want to share me but would stay with me for a long time because it’s the only way she could have me. I would feel some guilt about that at first until I realized that she must think I’m worth it too! These women who are really are up about it always leave eventually bo matter how much they love you because eventually they want to try their “dream monogamy relationship.” It’s funny because often they do that, break up with their mono bc after a year and comes hitting me back up. I’m betting you have seen this happen to you too. I stopped feeling bad about making her have to share because she knows full well by then what she’s getting into.

^of course, one think is leaving on their time, vs getting dump, leaving is not the issue, the getting dump is the issue (specially i do it ghosting)

Anyways, that’s my long winded way of saying that I’ve found that if you purposefully screen for women who hates monogamy that this drawback fixes itself. Of course, you have to be ok with women in your rotation fucking other men and a lot of guys can’t handle that.

^ i have girls like that, unfortunately in my experience they were married, or with a bf and the third segment not as attractive....

I’ve definitely had this happen. What I found works best is to have one main girl that is like a typical GF that I spend time with and do couple shit with. That takes time. The other two are just fuck buddies and they know that’s what they are. When you frame it that way to them and set expectations you can get away with making it as little as an hour without troubles. Definitely a time
Saver.

^ the norm is not an hour, average 2-4 hours.... I am not saying you can not do it in an hour or less but i am talking about the norm... you got a take a shower, fix the place, foreplay, sex, some convos etc...

Yes! I’ve gotten stds from regular girls on rotation before. Can’t always trust that your FBs are making other dudes use condoms.

no what i am talking about, the context is ph.... you bang a girl then you bang another girl the ph imbalance will cause yeast or bacterial infections... in some, i am not talking about them banging other dudes... Most women will not be banging other dudes...(i wish)

Again helps if you only spend an hour with them just fucking and not doing any type of BF behaviors. But yes, some will fall no matter what. That’s when sometimes they back up and go from “yeah I’m cool with non monogamy I hate the idea of only being with one person” to “I just want us to be together and just us!” Unfortunately this is often where they exit the rotation and goes and hooks up with a backup for a quick monogamous relationship to get it out of their system.

brah! this is water is wet.. I mentioned that in the post... they even know i am skills and see my dumb videos

Yeah this can suck but if your honest from the outset about your intentions and what you want, ultimately it’s on them if you break up with them due to excessive drama or if they breakup with you because you won’t commit to them.

no brah! dump them context...

Anyways, just my 2 cents since I’ve been doing this a long time. Always LOVE seeing a new Skills post even if I don’t always agree 100% with everything.

I don't think we disagree at all, you did not see context.... Probably my fault...

p.s. i see the "no choice" is not that they can not get other men.... that they can won't don't want cause they want you or happy with you and only you ....

Again, i just think rotation are massively overrated, but to be honest i have said many times as there is not such think as a "holy grail model"... All models to be honest suck a bit, all of them... If you think about it, i heard top guys just saying things like "if i had the money i just pay a pro or a sugar baby" totally make sense, why they say shit like that.... I guarantee you is cause or what i am talking about....

 

[Skills]

lol you’ve lived a thousand lifetimes I swear..

This is exactly everything i’ve found about rotations also.

Especially about it being more drama (minimal, but still drama); having to manage each girls emotions and make sure you see them just enough that they don’t start getting sour towards you and feeling neglected. They end up feeling it anyway..even if the reason ur busy is for work or whatever else..

Good post.

1 mltr + sidechicks + ons’s is my ideal model

topcat go in detail on your model i am curious... like an example... (i think similar to what i think is best)

 

[topcat]

topcat go in detail on your model i am curious... like an example... (i think similar to what i think is best)

to keep it brief, i’ll very rarely take on an mltr after vetting a chick i particularly like for 6 months. She’ll be somebody i take trips with, spend entire weekends with and interact with on a more friendly basis than other chicks.

i’ll have a couple sidechicks that i see intermittently (once a month or whenever they pop up).

i’ll have ons’s with chicks whenever im bored and opportunity presents itself.

typically though i either run strict ons’s or run a small rotation, when im particularly busy and focused on biz.

 

[Swati]

But back in the days this was normal 1-3... those days are gone.

ehhh could you dive into more details of this? where and when?

 

[Skills]

ehhh could you dive into more details of this? where and when?

Pre tinder 1-3 lays a week was the norm from cold approach... Post tinder went to online GRADUALLY, ratios when down, due to dtf went to digital mainly,.... key word Gradually... And i am not talking tourist or traveling, i am talking locals...Common knowledge.....(i did a post pre teevester about this in nextasf, teevester did a similar one after more eloquent)

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[POB]

Already tried every relationship model under the sun (minus cuck stuff because facepalm) and @Skills OP is spot on!
What I see is the younger you are, the more serious you get to be about keeping your rotation.
If not for constant sex, just because you need training on open relationships.

10-15 years ago, I made sure I was giving all my chicks 80% of the attention they were giving me.
My retention rate was awesome, I was constantly seeing 3-4 chicks at the same time and they were all battling to get me to commit.
But it was so damn time consuming and energy draining...

Fast forward to 2024 and really, I don't give a shit about getting a rotation anymore.
Of course I keep sarging and banging chicks left and right, and some of them stay...but I also don't care if they go.

Next time I have a main I'll probably adopt the ons model with the ocasional low-end FB on the side.

 

[Skills]

Already tried every relationship model under the sun (minus cuck stuff because facepalm) and @Skills OP is spot on!
What I see is the younger you are, the more serious you get to be about keeping your rotation.
If not for constant sex, just because you need training on open relationships.

10-15 years ago, I made sure I was giving all my chicks 80% of the attention they were giving me.
My retention rate was awesome, I was constantly seeing 3-4 chicks at the same time and they were all battling to get me to commit.
But it was so damn time consuming and energy draining...

Fast forward to 2024 and really, I don't give a shit about getting a rotation anymore.
Of course I keep sarging and banging chicks left and right, and some of them stay...but I also don't care if they go.

Next time I have a main I'll probably adopt the ons model with the ocasional low-end FB on the side.

Yes! Good point, i don't want guys to cope and not try rotations...

 

[POB]

Yes! Good point, i don't want guys to cope and not try rotations...

Problem is BD sold it as the end game back in the day...get FBs >choose one or two MLTRs > then maybe you can find a OLTR.
To me it is just a stepping stone, a tool to use in some instances as you go through your life.
(Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was Tubarao who originally came up with the early model)

 

[POB]

Another thing I forgot to mention is experience.
A guy in his 40s who spent his whole adult life married to the same woman should definitely try a traditional rotation model to get a grip on how those things work. A guy in his early 30s who is already versed in seduction and has a large body count, but never had a serious GF, will probably have a different view on relationships (open or not).

 

[Skills]

Problem is BD sold it as the end game back in the day...get FBs >choose one or two MLTRs > then maybe you can find a OLTR.
To me it is just a stepping stone, a tool to use in some instances as you go through your life.
(Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was Tubarao who originally came up with the early model)

Yes! Tubarao... At the end bd ended up... With one main in different countries... He actually realized what I saying... Though his new model retarded... But he has no choice due to his actual main loves usa...did you see what he is doing now
..

 

[POB]

.did you see what he is doing now

Tubarao or BD? Thought Tubarao was MIA, would love to hear from him...huge influence in my early days, he was super solid.
BD is married and fucking sugar babies on the side last I checked.
This is why I don't follow his relationship stuff anymore.

(Though his basic relationship advice still stands for unexperienced dudes.
And his Open Marriage book is really good.)

 

[Skills]

Tubarao or BD? Thought Tubarao was MIA, would love to hear from him...huge influence in my early days, he was super solid.
BD is married and fucking sugar babies on the side last I checked.
This is why I don't follow his relationship stuff anymore.

(Though his basic relationship advice still stands for unexperienced dudes.
And his Open Marriage book is really good.)

No man... He is not doing that anymore, you are behind:

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

 

[POB]

No man... He is not doing that anymore, you are behind:

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

I don't get it...just read the comments...does he have multiple wives now?
Is he paying all of them?

 

[Skills]

I don't get it...just read the comments...does he have multiple wives now?
Is he paying all of them?

I explained what he does in entry 16...