Casual/FWB Rotations are massively overrated...

[Skills]

Quite the consensus...

Are you guys looking for a main to have kids with, or a girl who definitely doesn't want them? Otherwise, how are you dealing with setting expectations and the two year drop? I expect you can extend this timeline with relationship and sex skills, novelty, remaining a challenge through non-exclusivity, etc., but are you expecting things to run their course?

The 2 Year Drop

Ever notice how fairytales and about ninety-nine out of a hundred romance tales you see or read are about how two people first got together? Cinderella meets her prince, against all odds, and he manages to find her again after he's lost her, against all odds, and the two of them ride off...

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Why Women Break Up with Guys After Years of Dating

Despite years in a happy, satisfying relationship, women sometimes start turning resentful and pulling away. What causes this – and can it be reversed? Contents 1. An LTR Is a Girlfriend Lease 2. Understanding Lease Periods 3. How to Get It Back How It Was 4. 3 Dubious “Get It Back” Strategies...

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There are many ways to extend i think chase wrote an article we all chime in i even posted dark ways... I think he posted on his main site and someone linkedcto forum. I could not find it... But is off topic to the op... but kids, animals, buying a new house, some other dark ones as well...no relationship last forever more like cycles get girls, pick main, break up... rinse wash repeat..

 

[KJ Francis]

But is off topic to the op

sort of yeah, I was just wondering less how to extend, but more like when all you guys at high skill level say "main" in your relationship models... I would see a big difference between something anticipated to be a few year long main vs. a lifelong main.

like if you have a couple low level fuck buddies in your model, I would assume you are setting expectations where she knows what's up... not leading her on to think she will one day be your main. so if you are starting that journey with the actual main and only expect it to last 2-5 years... does she also know this...

 

[TomInHo]

Quite the consensus...

Are you guys looking for a main to have kids with, or a girl who definitely doesn't want them? Otherwise, how are you dealing with setting expectations and the two year drop? I expect you can extend this timeline with relationship and sex skills, novelty, remaining a challenge through non-exclusivity, etc., but are you expecting things to run their course?

I currently don't want kids, but sadly a lot of women do. This is one of the reasons why I don't try too hard to extend relationships beyond their natural course

Some last under a year. Others stretch 5+ years before serious talks about moving in, kids, or marriage come up.

I care about the girls I see consistently, and if their desire for something more is beyond what I’m currently willing to give, I’m okay with them leaving.

It can suck, especially when you really like them, but I feel genuinely happy when I see an ex doing well after me. It’s nice to know she got what she wanted, and I can still enjoy living life on my own terms.

That said, if I’m in the right place in life and meet someone who feels like the right fit for something more, I’d be open to something more committed.

Still, I’m in no rush, because even if the girl was special, there’s always the potential to meet someone else who’s just as cool

For now, I’m happy to enjoy the connection while it lasts, without forcing it into something it’s not. It also doesn’t hurt that some of them circle back to write new chapters in our story

Keeps life interesting

 

[Atlas IV]

I currently don't want kids, but sadly a lot of women do. This is one of the reasons why I don't try too hard to extend relationships beyond their natural course

Some last under a year. Others stretch 5+ years before serious talks about moving in, kids, or marriage come up.

I care about the girls I see consistently, and if their desire for something more is beyond what I’m currently willing to give, I’m okay with them leaving.

It can suck, especially when you really like them, but I feel genuinely happy when I see an ex doing well after me. It’s nice to know she got what she wanted, and I can still enjoy living life on my own terms.

That said, if I’m in the right place in life and meet someone who feels like the right fit for something more, I’d be open to something more committed.

Still, I’m in no rush, because even if the girl was special, there’s always the potential to meet someone else who’s just as cool

For now, I’m happy to enjoy the connection while it lasts, without forcing it into something it’s not. It also doesn’t hurt that some of them circle back to write new chapters in our story

Keeps life interesting

Nailed it. This is exactly how I think too.

 

[POB]

I currently don't want kids, but sadly a lot of women do. This is one of the reasons why I don't try too hard to extend relationships beyond their natural course

Some last under a year. Others stretch 5+ years before serious talks about moving in, kids, or marriage come up.

I care about the girls I see consistently, and if their desire for something more is beyond what I’m currently willing to give, I’m okay with them leaving.

It can suck, especially when you really like them, but I feel genuinely happy when I see an ex doing well after me. It’s nice to know she got what she wanted, and I can still enjoy living life on my own terms.

That said, if I’m in the right place in life and meet someone who feels like the right fit for something more, I’d be open to something more committed.

Still, I’m in no rush, because even if the girl was special, there’s always the potential to meet someone else who’s just as cool

For now, I’m happy to enjoy the connection while it lasts, without forcing it into something it’s not. It also doesn’t hurt that some of them circle back to write new chapters in our story

Keeps life interesting

Exactly how I feel.
Main point is figuring out what YOU want before addressing her concerns.
And if it isn't a match, let her go when she realizes it.

 

[POB]

Are you guys looking for a main to have kids with, or a girl who definitely doesn't want them?

You won't get a consensus here.
I want kids, some guys don't.
I try to avoid co-habitation, some guys like it.
I greatly chill when I have a main, some guys keep having ONSs every week, others go mono for a while

Otherwise, how are you dealing with setting expectations and the two year drop? I expect you can extend this timeline with relationship and sex skills, novelty, remaining a challenge through non-exclusivity, etc., but are you expecting things to run their course?

Honestly, not living together is the main factor to keep them sexually interested IMO.
Fucking other women comes at number 2.

Another thing is I treat all my mains as FBs when it comes to sex.
They can sense it too, the fire and desire to caveman the shit out of them, which keeps them on their toes.

Other then that, must keep tabs on relationship marks (6 months, 1 year, 3 years, etc) and pass their ocasional shit tests to prove you are still "their man".

 

[Skills]

You won't get a consensus here.
I want kids, some guys don't.
I try to avoid co-habitation, some guys like it.
I greatly chill when I have a main, some guys keep having ONSs every week, others go mono for a while

Honestly, not living together is the main factor to keep them sexually interested IMO.
Fucking other women comes at number 2.

Another thing is I treat all my mains as FBs when it comes to sex.
They can sense it too, the fire and desire to caveman the shit out of them, which keeps them on their toes.

Other then that, must keep tabs on relationship marks (6 months, 1 year, 3 years, etc) and pass their ocasional shit tests to prove you are still "their man".

I personally think no living together helps more the guy than the girl...i disagree being the main factor... Also disagree on having other women second factor...i don't think keeping women around is that difficult...at least for me it hasn't... We had a post on the ways... @Chase where is the post where we show the ways.. were i added some dark ones when it got re posted here...if someone can find it...i personally lived in with about 7... only 1 was out after 10 for lack of progression...

 

[Skills]

Found it... entry 9 and 10. https://www.skilledseducer.com/thre...tion-drop-turning-down-sex.27425/#post-160392

 

[Skills]

I mean entry 9 and 11, can't edit Jesus from phone...

 

[POB]

I personally think no living together helps more the guy than the girl...i disagree being the main factor... Also disagree on having other women second factor...i don't think keeping women around is that difficult...at least for me it hasn't... We had a post on the ways... @Chase where is the post where we show the ways.. were i added some dark ones when it got re posted here...if someone can find it...i personally lived in with about 7... only 1 was out after 10 for lack of progression...

Lol, like I said in my comment, we'll never get a consensus on those things
There's a broad frame of dos and don'ts...but a lot of caveats on what works for each individual in their particular case

 

[Skills]

Lol, like I said in my comment, we'll never get a consensus on those things
There's a broad frame of dos and don'ts...but a lot of caveats on what works for each individual in their particular case

I think optimal is never living with a woman... But that's for the dude... Women will eventually want progression.... How are you going to give progression no living together?? The other point of having other women it is no crucial directly.. is more of a inderect side effect to keep competition anxiety the challenge, same as no living together... But the dude asking question specifically asked about making it last longer...

 

[KJ Francis]

But the dude asking question specifically asked about making it last longer...

Sorry I think I phrased it wrong... I was not wondering how to extend. I was just mentioning extending because I referenced the 2-year drop phenomenon, but you guys are all highly skilled, so the 2-year drop is probably going to be extended longer.

I am trying to stay on topic but the thread evolved a bit. You guys can split the thread if you want, but I think it's relevant... It seems @TomInHo and @Atlas IV are more in the mLTR camp, more like traditional fuck buddy rotations with deeper connections, but probably very clear expectations.

But the rest of you guys seem to all like the main + ONS model ideally (plus maybe some lower level fuck buddies, not really mLTR status). And @Skills thanks for finding that thread. The article Chase wrote in there is great and kind of about what I'm getting at.

Why Women Break Up with Guys After Years of Dating

Despite years in a happy, satisfying relationship, women sometimes start turning resentful and pulling away. What causes this – and can it be reversed? Contents 1. An LTR Is a Girlfriend Lease 2. Understanding Lease Periods 3. How to Get It Back How It Was 4. 3 Dubious “Get It Back” Strategies...

www.girlschase.com

Basically a girlfriend is a lease period before you decide whether to buy out the lease (kids/marriage) or trade it in, right?

So maybe @POB wanting kids looks at his main like potential mothers. If she makes the cut, cool... You may let that relationship progress, or otherwise trade her up... toss her back in the pond to keep fishing.

But for anyone else with a main girl and not planning to progress a relationship to babies, I was wondering how you are framing the relationship with the main. I.e. what are her expectations if she is continuing past a few months.

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I am asking because I have had a handful of times now where I allow a pair bond to form. And I am doing my best to set realistic expectations that this is not going to progress to anything. But without fail, these girls are always in absolute ridiculous denial, thinking they are going to change/tame me. One girl is a little more aware, but last week she said she would not even take plan b and wants to keep my kid and raise it herself if we accidentally got her pregnant (I am condoms only - she is just paranoid).

So anyways, I will try to stop derailing here and making it about myself lol but based off this thread, I am coming to the conclusion that I need to go more detached fuckboy style and get my skills up to reach a higher quality level... not let girls get attached, until I am ready to embark on something more serious with a main that could lead to kids. I have five girls mad at me right now because they bond and I ignore my phone.

Basically I am not ready to model the way you guys do things. Apparently @Chase has had "several marriages / engagements" and "carried a few girls over thresholds" so I don't know wtf he's up to... probably kids with several women (serial?) and has the finances to send them all to boarding school when they hit six years old to train with Greek philosophers and Japanese samurais or something.

Anyways, Francis needs to go outside again... over and out...

 

[KJ Francis]

(I think that is the big thing for him... it has to be drama-free)

I think optimal is never living with a woman... But that's for the dude... Women will eventually want progression.... How are you going to give progression no living together??

interesting to note, it seems BD is doing it hybrid style. sounds like he must have multiple places because he says he maintains separate places from each girl about 10 minutes away. he spends 3-4 days with the girl, then the rest at his own place.

edit: I think this is so he can keep up his strategy of the "soft next"... basically operant conditioning, removing himself in the face of drama.

 

[Chase]

I personally think no living together helps more the guy than the girl...i disagree being the main factor... Also disagree on having other women second factor...i don't think keeping women around is that difficult...at least for me it hasn't... We had a post on the ways... @Chase where is the post where we show the ways.. were i added some dark ones when it got re posted here...if someone can find it...i personally lived in with about 7... only 1 was out after 10 for lack of progression...

That sounds familiar but I don't remember either.

I did a quick search on SS & GC but didn't see anything come up.

Tried searching for "kids" "pets" "relationship" but no dice..

 

[Skills]

That sounds familiar but I don't remember either.

I did a quick search on SS & GC but didn't see anything come up.

Tried searching for "kids" "pets" "relationship" but no dice..

I found it, entry 48, in the link your response 9 has link to article on your site...