Casual/FWB Rotations are massively overrated...

[Warped Mindless]

I don't get it...just read the comments...does he have multiple wives now?
Is he paying all of them?

He said he doesn’t enjoy having sex with women he has no feelings for anymore.

What he is doing now is living in two main countries 5 months each out of the year and then spending a month in USA. I’m each of these places he has a wife. None are “legally” married but all have rings and have done ceremonies.

He said he wants to focus hardcore on his business for the next two years and doesn’t want to waste time on FBs or getting new women so he’s just going to have three wives, one in each location, and if either of them brings a girl home on occasion then he will roll with that.

He also said he doesn’t want to ever live with a women again so even when he’s in the same country as a wife she has to have her own place and her own job because he’s not going to pay their bills.

 

[KJ Francis]

He said he doesn’t enjoy having sex with women he has no feelings for anymore.

What he is doing now is living in two main countries 5 months each out of the year and then spending a month in USA. I’m each of these places he has a wife. None are “legally” married but all have rings and have done ceremonies.

He said he wants to focus hardcore on his business for the next two years and doesn’t want to waste time on FBs or getting new women so he’s just going to have three wives, one in each location, and if either of them brings a girl home on occasion then he will roll with that.

He also said he doesn’t want to ever live with a women again so even when he’s in the same country as a wife she has to have her own place and her own job because he’s not going to pay their bills.

Is this like 5 months in a row, or back and forth? If the former, he expects the girl to be celebate for 7 months in a row? Sounds like cheating military wife situation.

 

[TomInHo]

Is this like 5 months in a row, or back and forth? If the former, he expects the girl to be celebate for 7 months in a row? Sounds like cheating military wife situation.

Not quite. It's like having multiple wives in multiple countries. And he said he was open to getting one of his girls pregnant and having kids with her.

Seems a bit confusing to me because not sure why he can't have one main that travels with him while he bangs other women on the side. Because at the moment he financially supports all the women, so why no pick one to support and call a main? idk

He also says he is okay with his women sleeping with other men if they want, but also says they haven't exercised the option yet to his knowledge

The setups sounds very complicated to me but only time will tell how this works out for him

My intuition tells me it will probably morph into something else in the future anyways

 

[TomInHo]

He also said he doesn’t want to ever live with a women again so even when he’s in the same country as a wife she has to have her own place and her own job because he’s not going to pay their bills.

Ye he said that but also said he is giving all his wives a monthly allowance. So even though he is not directly paying their bills lets keep it real. This is still a business arrangement but he found a mental loophole to justify to himself that he's not "paying bills"

 

[POB]

Not quite. It's like having multiple wives in multiple countries. And he said he was open to getting one of his girls pregnant and having kids with her.

Seems a bit confusing to me because not sure why he can't have one main that travels with him while he bangs other women on the side. Because at the moment he financially supports all the women, so why no pick one to support and call a main? idk

He also says he is okay with his women sleeping with other men if they want, but also says they haven't exercised the option yet to his knowledge

The setups sounds very complicated to me but only time will tell how this works out for him

My intuition tells me it will probably morph into something else in the future anyways

Exactly what I though.
Why go through all this trouble if he can have one main and end up almost with the same arrangement?

Ye he said that but also said he is giving all his wives a monthly allowance. So even though he is not directly paying their bills lets keep it real. This is still a business arrangement but he found a mental loophole to justify to himself that he's not "paying bills"

This is where me and BD will never see eye to eye.
He is 100% contradicting himself and everything he preached all those years.

I get that as we go through life our priorities change, but he is doing a complete 180 and trying to justify it with mental gymnastics.
And doing it after slamming a lot of dudes that advocated something different to what he was doing at the time.

 

[gameboy]

Ye he said that but also said he is giving all his wives a monthly allowance

Lol so he has sugar babies in various places and calls them wives, big achievement.

Sounds more like a tax avoidance scheme to me, bc of the part with not staying in any country for more than 5 months. I guess if he saves enough on taxes it might even work out for him financially.

But hey to each their own, I haven't heard of the guy before and if thats a good arrangement for him then that's great. I dont see how it has anything to do with seduction though.

 

[KJ Francis]

Sounds more like a tax avoidance scheme to me, bc of the part with not staying in any country for more than 5 months.

Interesting catch there.

If he's american he may have to renounce citizenship. I think it's the only country in the world that taxes you regardless of residency.

 

[Skills]

Guys i don't want the post to be a bd roast... No the point at all for the thread... Everyone should operate how they want to operate tbh.... Nothing has changed the mental gymnastics and backwards rationalizations have always been there..
I do respect he has always been transparent..
..

 

[POB]

Nothing has changed the mental gymnastics and backwards rationalizations have always been there..

Marketing gymmicks too...he sold a lot of stuff creating conflict.

I do respect he has always been transparent..

That's true.

Guys i don't want the post to be a bd roast... No the point at all for the thread...

He was the master advocate of building a rotation as the best course of action.
Only natural to talk about him and his past and present behavior.

 

[gameboy]

Guys i don't want the post to be a bd roast...

Sorry, didn't mean to roast anyone. Like I said I have no clue who he is, and if he's happy with what he's doing I think that's all that matters.

 

[Chase]

Same opinion on rotations for me.

They're time-consuming, de-motivate you from taking new girls, and you are going to have girls in there who are just okay just to fill the rotation out. Eventually you are going to start to wonder, "Why am I still seeing this girl? I could've been [some other thing you would rather have done than bang that same chick a 15th time]."

Great to do when you are young and learning and have plenty of time to kill. The time cost isn't a problem and you feel like the King Pimp having a bunch of girls all flocking to see you and competing to make it a more serious thing.

Ultimately it is more fun doing girlfriend (main) + ONS, IMO.

Of all the playboys I knew doing rotations back in the day, I think almost all of us have quit.

But some guys keep at. @Warped Mindless is keeping at it. BlackDragon kinda is.

Every now and then I peek over to see what the dudes on SoSuave are up to and there's a lot of them still talking about "plates" (the SoSuave term for girls in your rotation).

Probably just depends on what you're doing in life and what your priorities are RN.

Yes! Tubarao... At the end bd ended up... With one main in different countries... He actually realized what I saying... Though his new model retarded... But he has no choice due to his actual main loves usa...did you see what he is doing now
..

When I was traveling a lot, I tried to set something like this up.

I wanted to have girls in different countries and just bounce between them all.

Once I started focusing on business more and quit the frequent travel (really messes with your ability to get into any kind of productive routine), there was just no way to maintain it.

Realistically you need to be seeing a girl every 3 weeks or so if you want to maintain that relationship.

If you want to keep that schedule and you have chicks in 3 countries, that means you are changing country weekly.

Just gets ridiculous.

I don't know how often BD is traveling for his setup, but unless these are all older chicks or low sex drive, I don't know how he's keeping them hooked in if he's only seeing them, say, every month and a half, or every three months, or even more.

Chase

 

[POB]

They're time-consuming, de-motivate you from taking new girls, and you are going to have girls in there who are just okay just to fill the rotation out. Eventually you are going to start to wonder, "Why am I still seeing this girl? I could've been [some other thing you would rather have done than bang that same chick a 15th time]."

Great to do when you are young and learning and have plenty of time to kill. The time cost isn't a problem and you feel like the King Pimp having a bunch of girls all flocking to see you and competing to make it a more serious thing.

So true.
Besides the young part, I think rotations are valid on 2 scenarios:
- you are a high sex-drive loner who doesn't like to get out/socialize much (this is BD);
- you are a begginner/intermediate looking to learn the proper tactics of balanced relationships;
Other than that, it's just a drag.

Ultimately it is more fun doing girlfriend (main) + ONS, IMO.

My experience too.
ONS or low-end/low-maintenance FBs, either one works.

Realistically you need to be seeing a girl every 3 weeks or so if you want to maintain that relationship.

Yep, 3 weeks and they are gone.
Doesn't matter how much you rocked her world, there's always a doormat waiting in line to jump in.

 

[Will_V]

Agree with this post, for me there's a few factors:

- Girls always end up either leaving or falling for me, I'm not the sort of guy who's easy to have around
- I'm not great at handling breakups/goodbyes (I don't think it's something you get 'great' at)
- I'm a single-minded type of guy, I tend to focus on one thing at a time, one enterprise at a time, one woman at a time
- I like to have periods where I am alone in my life and in my routine, to reshape and rebuild, to go to war by myself, and it's hard to do that when you have girls needing attention. I'll only consider giving that up (to an extent) for a woman I care about.

There are other more subjective reasons, but those are the main ones.

 

[Skills]

Same opinion on rotations for me.

They're time-consuming, de-motivate you from taking new girls, and you are going to have girls in there who are just okay just to fill the rotation out. Eventually you are going to start to wonder, "Why am I still seeing this girl? I could've been [some other thing you would rather have done than bang that same chick a 15th time]."

Exactly

Great to do when you are young and learning and have plenty of time to kill. The time cost isn't a problem and you feel like the King Pimp having a bunch of girls all flocking to see you and competing to make it a more serious thing.

Yes...

Ultimately it is more fun doing girlfriend (main) + ONS, IMO.

Yes that is what i said at the end...

Of all the playboys I knew doing rotations back in the day, I think almost all of us have quit.

Yes, same some even get pros

But some guys keep at. @Warped Mindless is keeping at it. BlackDragon kinda is.

Some others in the forum but they complain like crazy and get frustrated and even looking for other ways..

Every now and then I peek over to see what the dudes on SoSuave are up to and there's a lot of them still talking about "plates" (the SoSuave term for girls in your rotation).

Brah! Why 2 or 3 decent posters that don't even post... Bunch of red pillers and black pillers and rejects...

Probably just depends on what you're doing in life and what your priorities are RN.



When I was traveling a lot, I tried to set something like this up.

I wanted to have girls in different countries and just bounce between them all.

Once I started focusing on business more and quit the frequent travel (really messes with your ability to get into any kind of productive routine), there was just no way to maintain it.

Realistically you need to be seeing a girl every 3 weeks or so if you want to maintain that relationship.

If you want to keep that schedule and you have chicks in 3 countries, that means you are changing country weekly.

Just gets ridiculous.

I don't know how often BD is traveling for his setup, but unless these are all older chicks or low sex drive, I don't know how he's keeping them hooked in if he's only seeing them, say, every month and a half, or every three months, or even more.

Chase

About 3 to 6 months travel time... I don't see it working...his main wife gave him drama when he try living together in Dubai...she likes usa that is why he is adopting this .. but not fully field tested...

 

[Skills]

Agree with this post, for me there's a few factors:

- Girls always end up either leaving or falling for me, I'm not the sort of guy who's easy to have around
- I'm not great at handling breakups/goodbyes (I don't think it's something you get 'great' at)
- I'm a single-minded type of guy, I tend to focus on one thing at a time, one enterprise at a time, one woman at a time
- I like to have periods where I am alone in my life and in my routine, to reshape and rebuild, to go to war by myself, and it's hard to do that when you have girls needing attention. I'll only consider giving that up (to an extent) for a woman I care about.

There are other more subjective reasons, but those are the main ones.

Haha you sound like me... Excellent

 

[Chase]

Yes, same some even get pros

True.

Some others in the forum but they complain like crazy and get frustrated and even looking for other ways..

Seems to be part of the cycle:

1. First rotation: "Wow, this is incredible!"
2. Begin evangelizing it: "This is THE way."
3. Get used to it: "It's pretty cool."
4. Start getting frustrated with it: "Oh man, so many headaches."
5. End of rotations: "Lately I've moved on to [whatever else]."

Brah! Why 2 or 3 decent posters that don't even post... Bunch of red pillers and black pillers and rejects...

I agree with you!

But same reason I check in on /r/seduction every now and then.

Gotta know what other guys tangential to your niche are talking about to not get sucked into an echo chamber.

I am on X right now... only a couple of good posters on there too... same deal as SoSuave: vast majority is red pill, black pill, incels, etc.

Gonna be glad when my six month "gotta reply on a bunch of other people's accounts to get known on there and build a following" purgatory is over so I can ignore all the red pill accounts. Right now I'm having to do a mini-daily detox...

(X is fun though. Aside from the daily dose of red pill stuff washing across my brain)

About 3 to 6 months travel time... I don't see it working...his main wife gave him drama when he try living together in Dubai...she likes usa that is why he is adopting this .. but not fully field tested...

Well, I hope he can pull it off.

But if someone told me "I'm going to run some concurrent long-distance relationships where I only see each girl in 3- to 6-month intervals" I'd say that sounds like a very creative idea that is going to have some very hard times reconciling itself with how women behave inside a relationship.

Perhaps BD can prove me wrong. I'd be very interested to see it working well and drama-free (I think that is the big thing for him... it has to be drama-free) after a few years of running it!

Chase

 

[Bismarck]

I'm conflicted about some of what you wrote Skills, even if I tend to agree with the general gist. I also think having a "main" is better than only having FBs, even if because with a main you can do stuff other than smash, and end up getting closer to her.

On the one hand, I've had the experience of being drained from fucking the night before - but crucial detail here, and cumming - a good example would be the second "date" I had with the French small-town girl with a banging body and ok face earlier this year where I made zero effort to "game" her (unlike my performance on our first "date," when I'd managed to take all her clothes off back at home and we were deep in foreplay city when I forgot I had a condom in my wallet and went out to buy a new pack facepalm) because I just couldn't be bothered, and she reverted to her automatic programs ("why don't you pay for my drink?" and then "let's take it slow" back at mine when I threw her on the bed).

OTOH, I've also found that if I'm seeing even just one girl on the regular (FB), I have a much more sexual vibe in my day-to-day. Girls can sense that I'm getting laid, and they seem to fly to me like bees to honey. If I invite one such girl out and I haven't drained my ballsack the night before it's much easier to set the sexual frame on the "date" because I can set it with non-verbals, which is my preferred style (EC mainly, but also touch, tone of voice, etc.)

Lastly, if you're not fucking anything (no rotation, no FB, nada) when you're looking to smash you give out a hungrier vibe, because you're not already getting laid. I suspect that girls can sense this too.

 

[Skills]

I'm conflicted about some of what you wrote Skills, even if I tend to agree with the general gist. I also think having a "main" is better than only having FBs, even if because with a main you can do stuff other than smash, and end up getting closer to her.

On the one hand, I've had the experience of being drained from fucking the night before - but crucial detail here, and cumming - a good example would be the second "date" I had with the French small-town girl with a banging body and ok face earlier this year where I made zero effort to "game" her (unlike my performance on our first "date," when I'd managed to take all her clothes off back at home and we were deep in foreplay city when I forgot I had a condom in my wallet and went out to buy a new pack facepalm) because I just couldn't be bothered, and she reverted to her automatic programs ("why don't you pay for my drink?" and then "let's take it slow" back at mine when I threw her on the bed).

OTOH, I've also found that if I'm seeing even just one girl on the regular (FB), I have a much more sexual vibe in my day-to-day. Girls can sense that I'm getting laid, and they seem to fly to me like bees to honey. If I invite one such girl out and I haven't drained my ballsack the night before it's much easier to set the sexual frame on the "date" because I can set it with non-verbals, which is my preferred style (EC mainly, but also touch, tone of voice, etc.)

Lastly, if you're not fucking anything (no rotation, no FB, nada) when you're looking to smash you give out a hungrier vibe, because you're not already getting laid. I suspect that girls can sense this too.

How are you conflicted i said all of these in the op...

 

[Swati]

Once I started focusing on business more and quit the frequent travel (really messes with your ability to get into any kind of productive routine), there was just no way to maintain it.

Man you are so right, no one talks about this, the lack of social value/ awareness makes you lose more pussies and quality ones too. There's the stress of settling into a new place, etc, can't concentrate on work.

The "travelers" fucks the "hospitality squad", no way I see them getting those girls that are harder to crack unless they become local.

As the world is getting more globalized "foreigner card" actually works against you in some places, that's my opinion.

 

[KJ Francis]

or serial 1 main partner, side girls constantly being changed works too...

What I found works best is to have one main girl that is like a typical GF that I spend time with and do couple shit with.

Next time I have a main I'll probably adopt the ons model with the ocasional low-end FB on the side.

- I'm a single-minded type of guy, I tend to focus on one thing at a time, one enterprise at a time, one woman at a time

Ultimately it is more fun doing girlfriend (main) + ONS, IMO.

I also think having a "main" is better than only having FBs

Quite the consensus...

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