Screening game has been high jacked and bastardized

[Mikedee]

I must have missed the stoplight debate, but sounds like the difference between being strictly results-oriented (with results only being p in the v by any means necessary) versus wanting to learn the game and improve your skillset to be able to attract and seduce more women than the average man is capable of doing. Personally, I would count improving your game as results, but that’s just me.

Sure you can go rapid fire approach a ton of women in a night and maybe one will be super interested right away and you can have an easier time going home with that one... the “green light”. OR you can approach the ones who may be interested but maybe not and develop a skillset over time to make them interested more and more consistently. Sure seems like those who only go for the super down women are missing out on a lot of opportunities they could be having. Half the fun is the journey, right?

It’s the difference between having short term success versus long term mastery. Sure, I could be laying more girls right now by only going for the super interested girls… but give me a year or two of practicing solid game on the maybes and I’ll have infinitely many more women to choose from, with a stronger skillset, whereas the “blow me or blow me out” guys will be in the same spot as before.

Very well said

 

[Bill]

Wait, i am not endorsing ump, ump has madona whore complex,

he did a prior debate with a 7 hour rule guy where he was insisting nearly all girls are down for one night stands.

specifically he was talking about when she’s down to sleep with a guy within 5 minutes and does so repeatedly as a red flag.

 

[Jan]

Maybe there’s something to learn from that, even if we don’t agree 100% with his approach?

Yeah, there is something to learn from that approach. It improves your intuition in spotting greens, DTF from distance

 

[Skills]

he did a prior debate with a 7 hour rule guy where he was insisting nearly all girls are down for one night stands.

specifically he was talking about when she’s down to sleep with a guy within 5 minutes and does so repeatedly as a red flag.

hey guys no offense i am not going to get stress watching a bunch of videos, the MAIN OP was based on 1 video that i got to sit there and SUFFER watching and cringing.... Based on that video, i see you guys keep trying to get me to watch more videos, ain't going to happen.... These are my conclusions:

- screening game has been bastardized and looked nothing like that (i spent 15 years teaching and blogging about screening)....
- ump won the debate though barely, due to the madonna whore complex that he display in the video....


After tinder, after corona, after clubs went to shit! after THE GREENS AND DTF WENT TO ONLINE, guess what i TOTALLY STOP SCREENING, and most of the SCREENING TEACHERS, ALL OF THEM, LET ME REPEAT ALL OF THEM, again LET ME REPEAT ALL OF THEM, DISSAPEAR AT THE SAME TIME.... DID I SAY ALL OF THEM....

^ I however did not double down and adapted, it was not for marketing, it was not to fit, i don't give a shit about FITTING IN, i can tell anyone to FUCK OFF, but i was NOT GETTING LAID CONSISTANTLY.... Guess what, i DROPPED THAT SHIT, cause i got to make my PIPI HAPPY WITH THE MAYBE GIRLS.... All this wanna be screening guys like lotario the fool, are time machine seducers, that used to game when screening was possible:

- Good luck screening in USA NOW A DAYS IF YOU ARE NOT: traveling, college town, club with good ratio (inconsistent as fuck in usa, as some poster explain in a previous post that open my eyes, is due to night game has become niche).... By the way all of these recommended

- and what if you are old and you are gaming a girls 20 years younger with her friends male and female present....

- What if in the club is sausage fest??

- what if her family members present???

- what if she is on the period??

- what if she likes you a lot but she just got to the club and want to experience the night???

^ so you are going to pass on maybe girls, when that is what is barely in the club.... Again most of dudes teaching that shit total time machine seducers, they are not out there gaming in clubs.... guarantee....

For context read these guys, and i am done replying to the none sense:

The fallacy of seduction success part 3 - What is optimal??

First definition: "best; most likely to bring success or advantage: Several treatment sessions are required in order to obtain optimal results. Conditions in the chamber are optimal for diffusion, reaching very high temperatures. Synonym the best or most effective possible in a particular...

www.skilledseducer.com

The Time machine seducers

This is a phenomenon rarely discuss in the community, only some guys can tell (have to be very experience legit guys to be able to see this that ARE ACTUALLY OUT THERE GAMING)..... You have former gurus, posters, guys good with women and help and influence multiple guys get laid, for...

www.skilledseducer.com

The problem with a few naturals and anti-gamers that join the community----

Some of This happened to me when i joined the community in fairness i was not as bad as what i am seeing today, so i know what i am talking about (the thing is I would not be as retarded as guys that are rightfully ban from the forum and i was actually open and looking for answers all along...

www.skilledseducer.com

 

[StrayDog]

@Skills I'm a bit confused. perhaps you can help me with some clarity here.

it sounds to me like you are saying that there are two types of screening

The first is traditional screening. This type of screening has a number of facets. Like using your fundamentals to produce iois, and screening logistics when you talk to her. If she is she is not in a position to be pulled, be it because her attraction is not quite there, or her logistics are tricky, you leave set. Maybe number close, maybe re open later. Basically de prioritize her, but still keep as an option is possible. Basically screening is a strategic pipeline to get which girls you prioritize at a given moment, in order to maximize your odds. But still game girls who are not immediate priority, because 'maybe' girls can be flipped.

The second type is what we would call Neo-direct where guys are basically going in super direct and the moment the girl starts to lack compliance they totally abandon her as a possible lead. Basically no it's on or it isn't.

I think we can all agree that the second type is generally going to minimize your playing field, and you can miss out on a lot of potential women that just needed a little gaming to convert.

where I am confused is when you are saying that screening game is dead.

are you talking about the first type? or the second type? which type is the time machine seducer?

it sounds like you are saying that since a lot of DTF girls have moved to online, that it is important to not pass on 'maybe' girls, since they are going to be more common in the club.

wouldn't this mean that you are still using screening in the traditional type one sense? but just that you might not immediately find DTFs. You're still screening for girls you can game over time, be it grabbing number, or re opening.

I guess I am not sure exactly what you are saying is the best strategy for the current era.

obviously you are not advocating for Neo-direct. but I am unclear how you see screening as an optimal strategy in 2025

 

[StrayDog]

@Skills I'm a bit confused. perhaps you can help me with some clarity here.

it sounds to me like you are saying that there are two types of screening

The first is traditional screening. This type of screening has a number of facets. Like using your fundamentals to produce iois, and screening logistics when you talk to her. If she is she is not in a position to be pulled, be it because her attraction is not quite there, or her logistics are tricky, you leave set. Maybe number close, maybe re open later. Basically de prioritize her, but still keep as an option is possible. Basically screening is a strategic pipeline to get which girls you prioritize at a given moment, in order to maximize your odds. But still game girls who are not immediate priority, because 'maybe' girls can be flipped.

The second type is what we would call Neo-direct where guys are basically going in super direct and the moment the girl starts to lack compliance they totally abandon her as a possible lead. Basically no it's on or it isn't.

I think we can all agree that the second type is generally going to minimize your playing field, and you can miss out on a lot of potential women that just needed a little gaming to convert.

where I am confused is when you are saying that screening game is dead.

are you talking about the first type? or the second type? which type is the time machine seducer?

it sounds like you are saying that since a lot of DTF girls have moved to online, that it is important to not pass on 'maybe' girls, since they are going to be more common in the club.

wouldn't this mean that you are still using screening in the traditional type one sense? but just that you might not immediately find DTFs. You're still screening for girls you can game over time, be it grabbing number, or re opening.

I guess I am not sure exactly what you are saying is the best strategy for the current era.

obviously you are not advocating for Neo-direct. but I am unclear how you see screening as an optimal strategy in 2025

also, if a lot of DTFs are online does that mean that online is becoming the prime marketplace for hookups?

is night game becoming more akin to day game where it's more about gathering leads and setting up dates? A night game lay is more akin to a day game instant date?

 

[KJ Francis]

but I am unclear how you see screening as an optimal strategy in 2025

I think he is saying screening game in the club is not optimal anymore because dtf moved to online.

And that these guys are calling "blow me or blow me out" game "screening game" but it is not that at all and he does not want to be associated with it based on their mixing up the terminology.

 

[KJ Francis]

is night game becoming more akin to day game where it's more about gathering leads and setting up dates?

And I think he still goes for SNL not time bridge from night. It's just the girls are mostly maybes/yellows so there is more patience involved

 

[StrayDog]

I think he is saying screening game in the club is not optimal anymore because dtf moved to online.

And that these guys are calling "blow me or blow me out" game "screening game" but it is not that at all and he does not want to be associated with it based on their mixing up the terminology.

right but that's what's confusing me, because these are two different issues. so I am trying to figure out what type of screener game he is saying is dead. is it the traditional type, or the "blow me or blow me out type"

 

[StrayDog]

How does a screener game looks like:

1.- presentation.- The typical screener is a dude that is in shape, dress somewhat cool for his type of demographic, cool haircut, maybe a tatoo or 2, facial hair.... In other word he looks cool and above average and typically dress to a particular niche audience. The ones online will get professional pics (dude, bd, etc..), the other ones will post shirtless pics (gll, therevelifestyledesign etc..)

2.- pre-approach.- The majority either hoover, mingle, throw some type of approach invites(eye contact is big with some screeners, i personally don't do eye contact), they are good at reading body language and dtfness due to experience or analyze the group/social dynamic (what is her deal, who is she with etc...). or just put himself in a situation were he can have a convo or get open. The online ones, look for pics of girls that are their type and mass spam them)

3.- Open.- Some will just flat out approach an open even without approach invites. Others will approach like they just "ups happen to be there" my style, post some type of feel of receptiveness.. Most openers are direct, some are situational, in the open there will be some type OF ESCALATION, for example milking the intro, a touch, something... Physicality is extremely important for screeners...

4.- fluff.- The goal of the screener is to display his attractive personality during the interaction(aka the so call game), but the main focus is on escalation and moving things forwards toward SEX (even if the goal is not sex on the same day, but physicality is extremely important for the screener above everything else)

5.- unlike the ridiculous bs being spit out in sedfast lately, if she ain't dtf, does not mean is over. The screener will just get the number and CONT. the interaction some other time via text/facebook/phone, later the same night, second meet, text etc... But he will not devote tremendous amount of time if the girl is not a go, he rathers spend that time on other women, and game that women either later(if somewhat receptive, invested) or not at all (if based on experience he knows there is nothing there). I will emphasize that the goal if is not sex is a very solid interaction, most of screeners gauge interaction mainly by the receptiveness of physicality and investment on the girl."

like this. is this type of screener game dead? what exactly about it is so ineffective in 2025? and what is best strategy to replace it?

is the suggestion that it is effective to do a lot of this. But if she ends up being a 'maybe' girl, instead of time bridging you just stay in set and try to convert? That would essentially still be most of a traditional screener game, with a modification to it for 'maybe' girls, in that you stay in set instead of timebridge.

 

[Skills]

@Skills I'm a bit confused. perhaps you can help me with some clarity here.

it sounds to me like you are saying that there are two types of screening

The first is traditional screening. This type of screening has a number of facets. Like using your fundamentals to produce iois, and screening logistics when you talk to her. If she is she is not in a position to be pulled, be it because her attraction is not quite there, or her logistics are tricky, you leave set. Maybe number close, maybe re open later. Basically de prioritize her, but still keep as an option is possible. Basically screening is a strategic pipeline to get which girls you prioritize at a given moment, in order to maximize your odds. But still game girls who are not immediate priority, because 'maybe' girls can be flipped.

The second type is what we would call Neo-direct where guys are basically going in super direct and the moment the girl starts to lack compliance they totally abandon her as a possible lead. Basically no it's on or it isn't.

I think we can all agree that the second type is generally going to minimize your playing field, and you can miss out on a lot of potential women that just needed a little gaming to convert.

where I am confused is when you are saying that screening game is dead.

are you talking about the first type? or the second type? which type is the time machine seducer?

it sounds like you are saying that since a lot of DTF girls have moved to online, that it is important to not pass on 'maybe' girls, since they are going to be more common in the club.

wouldn't this mean that you are still using screening in the traditional type one sense? but just that you might not immediately find DTFs. You're still screening for girls you can game over time, be it grabbing number, or re opening.

I guess I am not sure exactly what you are saying is the best strategy for the current era.

obviously you are not advocating for Neo-direct. but I am unclear how you see screening as an optimal strategy in 2025

Yes second type correct... First type as i used to do It is coming back... I was calling it physical game... Good point...

 

[Skills]

also, if a lot of DTFs are online does that mean that online is becoming the prime marketplace for hookups?

is night game becoming more akin to day game where it's more about gathering leads and setting up dates? A night game lay is more akin to a day game instant date?

Yes and no... Is just neo direct will not work in night game... You can field test so can the forum..

 

[Skills]

like this. is this type of screener game dead? what exactly about it is so ineffective in 2025? and what is best strategy to replace it?

is the suggestion that it is effective to do a lot of this. But if she ends up being a 'maybe' girl, instead of time bridging you just stay in set and try to convert? That would essentially still be most of a traditional screener game, with a modification to it for 'maybe' girls, in that you stay in set instead of timebridge.

Is on the 2024 review

 

[StrayDog]

Yes second type correct... First type as i used to do It is coming back... I was calling it physical game... Good point...

ahh I see, its funny youre saying that it's making a comeback because I never really dropped that type of screening in the first place.

never went neo direct. But also NG has always been secondary to DG for me, so maybe I just wasn't in touch with the trends as much

 

[Skills]

ahh I see, its funny youre saying that it's making a comeback because I never really dropped that type of screening in the first place.

never went neo direct. But also NG has always been secondary to DG for me, so maybe I just wasn't in touch with the trends as much

Yes that is why you were part of the crew... but you are not anyone in the e crew doing neo direct blow me in blow me out

 

[StrayDog]

Also, think it bears saying that screening is about ensuring the girl meets your standards. not just about how compliant she is. Screening and qualification go hand in hand

 

[Skills]

Also, think it bears saying that screening is about ensuring the girl meets your standards. not just about how compliant she is. Screening and qualification go hand in hand

Correct

 

[StrayDog]

Correct

this is where a lot of the neo direct guys are missing the mark. Just because a girl is compliant doesn't mean she's actually worth having around. You greatly reduce your playing field by screening only for compliance. And honestly, any girl worth having around is probably screening you a bit too. Sure you can always luck out and just happen to meet a solid match right off the bat. But you cant even really know that until you spend more time together. People don't just magically reveal themselves in their entirety, right away. Getting to know someone is an unfolding process. Of course casual sex and DTF is different than LTR, but still looking for chemistry and sexual compatibility.

The idea that she will just somehow recognize your authentic self right off the bat, or otherwise shes for the streets is absurd. And whats suppose to happen if she for some reason stops being compliant in some regard in your relationship? you just leave then? Becuase "she's either about it or she's not." That's not how dynamic human relationships work. It's a constant negotiation. An unending process of seducing, and re seducing, that becomes deeper and more dynamic the more you get to know someone. That's why people get in over their heads when they fall in love. Too much history, and complex precedents. How you get into a relationship greatly determines the direction and shape of the relationship to come. If you were to apply a "blow me or blow me out" mentality to every single stage of a relationship afterward you would have very few tools to manage conflict, or maintain attraction.

Not saying that guys can't or wont get into some great LTR by going neo-direct. I am just inclined to believe is its quite limiting as an overall mindset and strategy.

 

[Skills]

I think he is saying screening game in the club is not optimal anymore because dtf moved to online.

And that these guys are calling "blow me or blow me out" game "screening game" but it is not that at all and he does not want to be associated with it based on their mixing up the terminology.

Correct

 

[Skills]

And I think he still goes for SNL not time bridge from night. It's just the girls are mostly maybes/yellows so there is more patience involved

Correct