Screening game has been high jacked and bastardized

[Chase]

Even though I wouldn’t personally follow Locario’s method, there’s clearly something about it that resonates deeply with his audience because he has a fiercely loyal fanbase

Most popular/deeply resonant advice in the world:

• "Just be yourself"
• "If it's meant to be, it'll be"
• "Que sera, sera"
• "If you build it, they will come"
• "Love comes when you least expect it"

If you start a YouTube channel and just hit these themes over and over again, then find examples you can use to talk about how, "See? He was just being himself then he met the girl of his dreams. Now they're married and have 20 kids," you will build a gigantic following.

People gravitate most toward who or whatever affirms most the beliefs they already hold.

Chase

 

[TomInHo]

Most popular/deeply resonant advice in the world:

• "Just be yourself"
• "If it's meant to be, it'll be"
• "Que sera, sera"
• "If you build it, they will come"
• "Love comes when you least expect it"

If you start a YouTube channel and just hit these themes over and over again, then find examples you can use to talk about how, "See? He was just being himself then he met the girl of his dreams. Now they're married and have 20 kids," you will build a gigantic following.

People gravitate most toward who or whatever affirms most the beliefs they already hold.

Chase

Hmmm. That might not be a bad idea

Now that I think about it, that could be an interesting marketing angle—hook people with things they resonate with at first, then later lead them to something that actually helps.

Possibly making the audience feel validated, but also giving them useful content at the same time. Might be interesting to experiment with if I ever dive deeper into creating dating or seduction content

Sounds like a lot of work though ngl

 

[StrayDog]

Hmmm. That might not be a bad idea

Now that I think about it, that could be an interesting marketing angle—hook people with things they resonate with at first, then later lead them to something that actually helps.

Possibly making the audience feel validated, but also giving them useful content at the same time. Might be interesting to experiment with if I ever dive deeper into creating dating or seduction content

Sounds like a lot of work though ngl

honestly, given where the cultures is at right now might be a pretty effective way to turn a new generation onto game/deeper relationship dynamics. seems like a lot of the old school stuff doesn't quite land as much, as effective as it might be from a strictly seduction stand point.

 

[Jan]

Now that I think about it, that could be an interesting marketing angle—hook people with things they resonate with at first, then later lead them to something that actually helps.

pacing and leading 101

 

[PaulieFlyn10]

Most popular/deeply resonant advice in the world:

• "Just be yourself"
• "If it's meant to be, it'll be"
• "Que sera, sera"
• "If you build it, they will come"
• "Love comes when you least expect it"

If you start a YouTube channel and just hit these themes over and over again, then find examples you can use to talk about how, "See? He was just being himself then he met the girl of his dreams. Now they're married and have 20 kids," you will build a gigantic following.

People gravitate most toward who or whatever affirms most the beliefs they already hold.

Chase

This type of marketing is termed flash marketing.

It pulls people in, gives you quick wins BUT TERRIBLE long term for retention & credibility.

Much better to use platitudes that are more congruent to your core offer.

Right now, ALMOST ALL old school pickup angles fail.


Rather using those surface affirmations that would most definitely hurt the business, best to use these that are more congruent:


"Getting your woman to respect you" = affirms the male ego. This is by far the biggest appeal. Subsets of these include getting her to reply fast, getting her to listen to you etc


"Having women want to be around you & please you" = man's desire for more


Red pill/alpha male guys blew up more & fast because: a) They appealed to male ego b) They related with heartbreaks or problems men have and gave a reason why (simping & women being manipulative.) Of course once people started realising most of the actual content isn't as good.... and the influencers aren't as legit.... the decline started happening

You can use similar generic appeals to male ego as well. Relationships is one way to do it: getting & maintaining relationships (nothing men love more than their respect these days lol)

 

[Spike]

they complain about women being 'sluts' but this 'green only' strategy is going to bring them only the easiest girls, because those "good girls" are shit testing hard, so these dudes are not even going to pursue them

This is not true according to my experience. Just because you were able to pull a girl in less than 5 minutes, doesn’t mean she will make it easy for anyone else to pull her. That same girl will shit test the fuck out of you and if you pull her after that, you’ll conclude she has very high standards and makes a great girlfriend candidate. Despite the fact that I pulled her in less than 5 minutes. Locario’s point. This is the Madonna whore complex

 

[Spike]

neo direct will not work in night game... You can field test so can the forum..

Locario doesn’t do neo direct in night game.

At 1:11:00 he discusses how he did night game. He would talk to a lot of girls. And then only game the girls that passed his compliance tests (“hey let’s come sit over there. It’s quieter over here”. “Hey let’s go in the back and smoke”). As long as she continues to follow his lead, he keeps gaming her. Which is basically the first version of screening game.

 

[Spike]

He would talk to a lot of girls

This is the only thing that’s different about the strategy. Only because there aren’t a lot of hot girls that are going out. So it’s forced us to become snipers rather than going into the field with a machine gun. Once you find a girl tho, the game is the same as it always been. Just that girls are easier to pull (at least in my experience), due to lack of competition.

 

[Jan]

This is the Madonna whore complex

Madonna-whore complex is when a man sees women one-dimentionally, either she is pure angel without sexual needs, or a whore without nurturing qualities

shit testing and how hard women test has nothing to do without that

all women have sexual needs but not every woman is picky as to who she is going to fuck

5 minutes can happen for two reason:
a) a woman has very low standards (no testing) and many men (both those with good and bad game) can pull her
b) a woman has very high stanards (hard testing) and only men with great game can pull her within 5 minutes

 

[Spike]

Madonna-whore complex is when a man sees women one-dimentionally, either she is pure angel without sexual needs, or a whore without nurturing qualities

shit testing and how hard women test has nothing to do without that

It does.

Girl who shit tests you hard = Madonna.
Girl who doesn’t shit test you = whore.

She can be a Madonna to you. While be a whore for me.

all women have sexual needs but not every woman is picky as to who she is going to fuck

I’m currently seeing 3 girls. One with a lay count of 2, the other with 2 boyfriends, and the last one hasn’t been with a guy in 5 months. All of them very beautiful guys that could basically get any guy they want. Yet they made it easy for me.

You’re just going to have to come to terms with the cognitive dissonance that girls can be picky and easy at the same time.

5 minutes can happen for two reason:
a) a woman has very low standards (no testing) and many men (both those with good and bad game) can pull her
b) a woman has very high stanards (hard testing) and only men with great game can pull her within 5 minutes

And this is also not true. A) the girl I shared in my lay report would have a lay count approaching 50 if that were true. And B) I didn’t do great game. All I did was instant make out with her and then she gave me her number without us exchanging any words.

 

[Jan]

@Spike you seem to base your whole reasoning on the assumption that females are fully gullible by men's attitude towards them

while it's true that man's attitude towards women and towards this particular woman matters, it's not the whole picture

women are also independent beings and some will be screening men more, while others will be screening men less (all men, regardless whether a man is emboding lover or boyfriend archetype to them)

 

[KJ Francis]

Girl who shit tests you hard = Madonna.
Girl who doesn’t shit test you = whore.

She can be a Madonna to you. While be a whore for me.

Shit testing is her screening you for your internal resolve. The same girl may shit test one guy and not another based on her perception of him in the moment. She may not need to shit test a real dominant guy if she already knows his frame is solid. If she is less sure about another guy but still interested she may test to give him the chance to prove himself.

A real slutty high T girl may shit test a lot to make sure she's only banging the strongest dudes. That doesn't mean she is more girlfriend quality or lower body count.

Madonna/whore complex is not a social phenomenon that differentiates women. It is a psychological condition in the man himself like @Jan explained earlier. It is a FALSE belief like a flawed mental model.

I am getting a little lost in the argument. Would you please restate your main thesis? And how it translates to a recommendation to alter our actionable game strategy?

 

[Spike]

A real slutty high T girl may shit test a lot to make sure she's only banging the strongest dudes. That doesn't mean she is more girlfriend quality or lower body count

Exactly. How hard it is to get a specific girl to sleep with you, has no correlation with how hot, how low her body count is or how great a girlfriend she would be. Could just be a real bitchy hb6 that made you work really hard for it

 

[Skills]

Locario doesn’t do neo direct in night game.

At 1:11:00 he discusses how he did night game. He would talk to a lot of girls. And then only game the girls that passed his compliance tests (“hey let’s come sit over there. It’s quieter over here”. “Hey let’s go in the back and smoke”). As long as she continues to follow his lead, he keeps gaming her. Which is basically the first version of screening game.

Stop reading after the word.... Did... I don't care what he did... I think i know who are.... And i am sure you got laid wearing skinny jeans and Chelsea... Try doing that today on ny... I don't give a shit about time machine seducers.... but since i think o know who are listen to "i used to" and i don't think he is being honest... Even stelar and the other guys that were going on about direct sexual like barron from the forum were not doing that autism...

Open hey you look interesting... I am locatio, listen come with me and sit here so we can were is quiet... 5 mintes onto the interaction come back home with me...

Cool story
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[Spike]

Open hey you look interesting... I am locatio, listen come with me and sit here so we can were is quiet..

“Let’s go sit over there” is a compliance test. Which is done after fluffing. Hey I’m Locario. What’s your name? Oh cool who are you here with? What are you guys celebrating? Oh nice. Which one? Congrats. [girl ask you question about where are your friends]. Oh they are over there by the bar.

Compliance test: Listen it’s kind of loud in here and I don’t want to keep screaming in your ear, want to come get a drink with me over there?

she can either follow: sure (complied)

or not cooperate: no I think I’m fine here (not complied).

If she complies => keep interaction going

if she doesn’t comply => move on to another girl. Comeback to her later if you want (maybe her mood has changed).

not your misrepresented

“hey my name is X. Come sit with me over there where it’s quiet”. Nonsense.

Which is also not outdated. Worked in 2015 same as it will in 2025.

5 mintes onto the interaction come back home with me

Depends on how horny she is/time of night etc could work

 

[Skills]

“Let’s go sit over there” is a compliance test. Which is done after fluffing. Hey I’m Locario. What’s your name? Oh cool who are you here with? What are you guys celebrating? Oh nice. Which one? Congrats. [girl ask you question about where are your friends]. Oh they are over there by the bar.

Compliance test: Listen it’s kind of loud in here and I don’t want to keep screaming in your ear, want to come get a drink with me over there?

she can either follow: sure (complied)

or not cooperate: no I think I’m fine here (not complied).

If she complies => keep interaction going

if she doesn’t comply => move on to another girl. Comeback to her later if you want (maybe her mood has changed).

not your misrepresented

“hey my name is X. Come sit with me over there where it’s quiet”. Nonsense.

Which is also not outdated. Worked in 2015 same as it will in 2025.


Depends on how horny she is/time of night etc could work

You need to re watch the video, you are projecting what i do, in the interaction were he is not even talking about on the video i just re watch it.... Here how it used to be you would find in the past green women, gradually you would amp up multiple things such as micr escalations, compliance and arousal... The interaction will gradually progress toward sex as ump says on average it will take anywhere from 20 to 45 minutes... If the girl had an objection or concern it was address you don't bail and adressing is not chasing... Calibrating to situation is not changing yourself for the girl... Ump is right but got sidetrack talking about none sense that had nothing to do with nothing maddona whore shit vs sticking to the factual reality... I have done 5 minute pulls plural is more luck than actual skills... The pulls involving no luck would take about 20 to 45 minutes... Even if she is wet horny the idea that because she didn't fuck u in 5 minutes she is not attracted enough to you is pure none sense... His structure will not work now a days, if it were to work you will burn too many leads....he would not ask those questions that i teach to ask... Because according to the video and let me quote him "why would i care what she is celebrating" "why would i care who she is here with" brah... re watch whole video

 

[KJ Francis]

“Let’s go sit over there” is a compliance test. Which is done after fluffing. Hey I’m Locario. What’s your name? Oh cool who are you here with? What are you guys celebrating? Oh nice. Which one? Congrats. [girl ask you question about where are your friends]. Oh they are over there by the bar.

Compliance test: Listen it’s kind of loud in here and I don’t want to keep screaming in your ear, want to come get a drink with me over there?

she can either follow: sure (complied)

or not cooperate: no I think I’m fine here (not complied).

If she complies => keep interaction going

if she doesn’t comply => move on to another girl. Comeback to her later if you want (maybe her mood has changed).

not your misrepresented

“hey my name is X. Come sit with me over there where it’s quiet”. Nonsense.

Which is also not outdated. Worked in 2015 same as it will in 2025.


Depends on how horny she is/time of night etc could work

Why would you want to do this though? Time efficiency? You are severely worsening your meet to lay ratio in order to save yourself like 15 minutes of solid game before the first move.

The whole point of game is to see the girl you want and have a better shot at getting her. With your strategy you are leaving a lot of girls on the table who you may have been way happier with. Instead of finding a super compliant girl right away you could spend a little more time and get a better girl ramped up to that same level of compliance.

I am all for fast pulls. If you sense her compliance is really high then by all means try to move her.

Like here I could read it in her face and excitement level in her voice plus she was alone.

LR - First ever night, street to car in less than half an hour

One daytime warm-up approach, then first ever night approach. Ignored three or so times, then first ever night approach lay. * * * Caught her staring at me while she drove by. I saw her park and doubled back through the flower gardens. Coming back around, she was sitting on the grass in the...

www.skilledseducer.com

But if she was less compliant why would you burn the lead and bail when you could spend a little time in A2 (attract with flirting) and A3 (actually qualify her) before C1 (the move).

Guys have been saying for a long time you can go to new york street corners and say nice shoes wanna fuck to hundreds of women and maybe get one who bites. What you are proposing is more akin to that than actually seducing someone.

 

[StrayDog]

What you are proposing is more akin to that than actually seducing someone.

while I mostly agree, I don't necessarily agree with this, because you have to take into account a woman's matting season as well. A woman can be very compliant one day and not necessarily the next. So while guys who do more of the locario style are significantly lowering their playing field that does not necessarily mean that they are defacto lowering their standards, or that they didn't exactly seduce the girl. They just caught her at the right moment. She very well could have been a 'maybe' girl the week prior but now her ovaries have dropped and she is feeling the heat.

In general I don't agree with that style of approach as an overall strategy, but I don't think it can easily be boiled down to "your not quite actually seducing her"

 

[StrayDog]

that is to say, it's not a question of if you genuinely seduced a girl or not, it's simply a matter of maximizing your odds of seducing women of a certain standard, and primarily screening for compliance is not necessarily it.

 

[Skills]

while I mostly agree, I don't necessarily agree with this, because you have to take into account a woman's matting season as well. A woman can be very compliant one day and not necessarily the next. So while guys who do more of the locario style are significantly lowering their playing field that does not necessarily mean that they are defacto lowering their standards, or that they didn't exactly seduce the girl. They just caught her at the right moment. She very well could have been a 'maybe' girl the week prior but now her ovaries have dropped and she is feeling the heat.

In general I don't agree with that style of approach as an overall strategy, but I don't think it can easily be boiled down to "your not quite actually seducing her"

A woman can be ovulating, very horny and compliant and attracted right away and still get nervous and give you issues... I had women give me weird shit for the weirdest stuff specifically genz women... They are autistic as fuck... One was acting weird as fuck thinking i had cameras and shit... I found out late what the problem was... Women give issues no matter to pass for example on a shit test pre sex which is usually a concern you can adress with couple of words is ridiculous... Again ump was trying to explain all that he just made a horrible job going all over the place with standard crap...