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Will_V

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Post Weekend Update

As I mentioned previously, I had a ton of dates this past weekend, mostly from Dating Apps. Like 5 dates and lunch with friends, so I literally had no time to go out specifically for Cold Approach. This coming weekend I've specifically kept my date count low so I can save the "afternoon prime" for going out to progress with Cold Approach. I tend to like the afternoon better. It feels way lower-key, less crowded, girls are less likely to have their guard up, and I'm more awake since I'm a morning person.

With that said, I still managed to get some sets in this past weekend and today:

On Friday night on the way to a date:
1) I walked by a cute girl slightly in front of her, and turned slowly to her and pointed and said "I like your coat". I got a soft and quick "thank you".
2) Saw a very slowly walking cute asian girl. I turned around and opened her from the side, saying "I like your outfit, very stylish", she gave a soft "thanks" and looked down slowly. I think I could have continued this set
3) While walking, I saw a korean girl talking to her friend. I made very strong eye contact with her, and forced her to fix her hair several times in reaction

On Sunday
4) I told a girl at Whole Foods her dog is cute. She turned and said "oh thank you"

Today (Wednesday), I went to Whole Foods again
5) A latino girl walked near me. I turned to her and said "I like your Trench coat". She walked a bit closer, removed her airpods, and said "I'm sorry?". I repeated. Then she smiled warmly and said "thank you". I definitely could have continued this set....
6) I saw a cute asian girl walking around. But couldn't get close and open her. Later, at the checkout, I was in back of her in line, and I saw her eyeing a magazine with a dog/cat on it. I made a situational opener "Are you a 'pet lover'?". She said "yes!". I asked "dog or cat", she responded "I have a dog". Then the line moved and she went to the register... I also checked out, and on her way out, I made eye contact with her and tried to smile, but I don't think she could see with my mask on.
7/8) On the way back home I told two girls their dogs were cute

So not much progress in terms of progressing towards the hook point and continuing the conversation after the opener, but I am becoming more comfortable at working sets into my everyday life. I opened two girls at Whole Foods today! Whereas a month or two ago, I was shaking with anxiety over trying to approach a girl at Whole Foods.

Hopefully I'll have some more progress this coming weekend.

Total Sets: 90
Total Conversations: 8
Total Numbers: 2
Total Dates: 1

Man, if the girl doesn't walk away after the opener, keep talking. I had a quick scroll through a few of your reports and it seems like regardless of how she responds, you're just ejecting.

You've got to just stay there and say whatever until either she walks off or she bites. Even basic stuff like:
"what's your name?"
"what u up to today?"
"Up to something exciting?"
"Are you from X country?"
"I like the way you reacted there"
"I'm mtman <stick out hand>"
"<after saying 'cute outfit'> yeah it looks very X"
etc

If you can't make your mouth keep moving, at least keep your feet in place and take a breath or two, she'll probably still be there when you're done.

Remember that if you stopped her, it's because she caught your eye. You know why you want her, tell her why.
 

Yaxir

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great thread this, i read it so focused (with few short breaks) that i lost track of time haha !

@Mr STIF 's suggestion of the push-pull sounds like a really advanced but useful conversation tool to keep the girl engaged

and that Kino is a bit scary ( i have never touched a stranger woman casually )

Man, if the girl doesn't walk away after the opener, keep talking.

If you can't make your mouth keep moving, at least keep your feet in place and take a breath or two, she'll probably still be there when you're done.

and Will_V is awesome as always with his postive advice, i do have a few questions for what he's suggesting here

1. Wouldn't it be awkward to stand there take in a few breaths ? wouldn't it make you seem weird to her ?
2. If a girl seems disinterested, but doesn't walk away, is it a good idea to keep pursuing her ?

Remember that if you stopped her, it's because she caught your eye. You know why you want her, tell her why.

by this , do you mean that i should tell her a compliment ? what happens if she reacts indifferently to the compliment but still doesn't walk away ?
 
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Will_V

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and Will_V is awesome as always with his postive advice, i do have a few questions for his

1. Wouldn't it be awkward to stand there take in a few breaths ? wouldn't it make you seem weird to her ?
2. If a girl seems disinterested, but doesn't walk away, is it a good idea to keep pursuing her ?
Better to be awkward (in an authentic way, i.e. just accepting your emotions) in order to create a good habit than to walk away for no reason and end up with nothing. Hopefully when you realize standing there doesn't trigger the apocalypse, things will get more relaxed and smooth.

Guys don't realize that if they are nervous but still able to smile and look like they are somewhat enjoying themselves, women will cut them a lot of slack. But the moment you start looking frustrated and reproaching yourself, she's out.

Also, silence is one of your best friends in seduction.

by this , do you mean that i should tell her a compliment ? what happens if she reacts indifferently to the compliment but still doesn't walk away ?

Not necessarily. But tell me something. Let's say you see a girl with the most beautiful long hair all the way down to her butt, all thick and waving around and you just want to grab it and pull it like a tomcat all over a string, are you going to be able to transmit more excitement and emotion by saying some random pickup line, or telling her "hey, just had to say you've got the most amazing hair!"

Every time a man tells his truth, or at least communicates it, his face and body movements work in harmony with his words, and women perceive and appreciate his honesty. But when he says some bullshit he doesn't feel, his body does nothing, and his face is like a mask, and she feels like he's a puppet saying one thing and hiding some other intention. That's what the difference is.

It's far more important to be able to say something that's not 'ideal' with gusto and enthusiasm than to say the 'right' thing without feeling anything. That's why most pickup lines are bull.

And yes, if she doesn't walk away and is paying attention to you, it means she wants to be there and is waiting for you to deliver the goods.
 

Yaxir

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Hopefully when you realize standing there doesn't trigger the apocalypse, things will get more relaxed and smooth.
HAHA

I do hope i reach that relaxed point, with practice and patience, soon :)


Also, silence is one of your best friends in seduction.
this .. looks interesting

is there is GC article or even a forum post that elaborates more on this aspect ?

the rest of your reply is very descriptive and eye-opening

thanks Will for being patient with your explanations and full of guidance

i will be probably keep popping up around here to ask more questions as relevant topics and discussions are posted

it's glad to have your insight ;)

see you around !
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

Proper

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Haven't checked in in awhile, not too much to report.

Really starting to work cold approaches into my everyday in a more casual manner, which is almost becoming a necessity because my weekends are so full of dates that I don't have too much time to dedicate explicitly to Cold Approach.

I've begun more casually and regularly approaching girls at Whole Foods and the Subway stations, both of which were very intimidating to me before.

2 Saturdays ago I went out for about 45 minutes of Cold Approach in between scheduled dates, and got a number on my second set. A bit of an outlier, but also indicative that my overall close rate is going up. I ended up going on a date with her this past Saturday, but her face underneath the mask ended up being underwhelming!

Totals Sets: 97
Total Conversations: 10
Total Numbers: 3
Total Dates: 2

Will try to get some more dedicated cold approach time with this upcoming 3 day weekend.
 

Proper

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I reached my goal, well partially.

My goal was to get a lay from Cold Approach before I get my vaccine, which I expected sometime in June/July. The vaccine time table in NYC was accelerated, so I got my first dose about a week and a half ago, but I also just got my lay. So technically I achieved my goal before my second vaccine dose.

This is kind of crazy, but also a bit anti-climactic. 2.5 months ago when I started, it really seemed like an impossible task. I was literally shaking with anxiety just thinking about approaching a girl. And now I've done 100 approaches, and have a lay, and my seduction skills have ramped up at least one or two orders of magnitude throughout the whole process. I've achieved a certain degree of abundance mentality. Girls aren't really a scarce resource, although I'm not even close to "absolute abundance" yet, as ultra high quality girls are still relatively scarce. Going through this process has done wonders for my confidence, smoothness, sexual vibe, understanding of female psychology, and relationship dynamics. Even if I decide to be with one of the girls I'm seeing now for the rest of my life, I believe this process will have made that relationship much more wholesome and enjoyable for both of us.

The reason I said this was anti-climactic, was that I could already see several weeks ago that my first lay from Cold Approach was only a matter of time. Just going through the process of learning Cold Approach had already improved my dating app game (and all the subsequent steps of first date, escalation, bringing her home, more escalation, overcoming LMR, etc.) several orders of magnitude. Even though my date funnel from Cold Approach was relatively small, it was constant, and just a function of how much I went out and did approaches. So I just needed to keep at it for a bit, and it would eventually happen.

The actual lay was nothing particularly crazy. One of the Cold Approaches from a few weeks ago turned into 3 dates, and on the third date I took her home and went all the way. I know I'm supposed to move as fast as possible, and go for a first date lay if possible, but the vibe was just off on this one until the third date.

So what's next for me? I think I'm going to keep Cold Approaching. It's sort of getting fun now. And I'm working it much more casually into my everyday life rather than making a big deal about going out for approaching. I'm also regularly seeing two girls whom I met from dating apps, one of whom I'd consider a unicorn similar or better than the one I opened this thread about. I'm for the first time in my life feeling extremely romantically and sexually fulfilled. I wish I had more time on weekends to see these different girls, and to meet new ones.

Just for completeness, I'll list the few sets I've had since my last posting. It's been hard to go out for Cold Approach because my schedule is so full of dates and sleepovers:
1) At a bus stop, I approached a girl and asked her when the bus is coming. She gave me an informational reply. We chit chatted a little about how cold it was, and how our outfits looked warm. But I didn't think she was super cute, so I didn't ask for her number
2) At a Korean Supermarket, I hovered near a girl in the aisle, pretended to examine the nuts there, then told her "I like your outfit, it's very stylish". She gave me a really warm smile and said thanks. I should have continued this set, but it was the first of the day, and I felt very cold.
3) Going up the elevator in my apartment, an Asian girl came by and was also waiting for the elevator. My razor instincts at this point immediately noticed that she started fixing her hair when she came into my presence, and there was no one else around. So when we got in the elevator, I used the dumbest situational opener ever. I saw she was carrying a bag of groceries, with frozen scallion pancakes at the top of the bag, I said "Nice pancakes", and pointed at them, and said "I love scallion pancakes". She went on and on about how easy they are to make, and how much she likes them. I kind of lost interest, and I said "have a nice day", and she said "okay bye", in a sort of disappointed way. She wanted me to ask for her number. Anyway, this illustrated that when a girl gives you an approach invitation, you can literally say ANYTHING and it will work.
4) At an intersection outside my apartment, it was a warm day, and I approached a girl also waiting at the intersection, and said "it's so warm out". She agreed.

Statistics:
Sets: 100
Conversations: 11
Numbers: 3
Dates: 2
Lays: 1
 
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