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Still Not Getting Results? Check Here (By Tool & Zphix)

Richard

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The Tool here, and recently Zphix and I have been texting back and forth discussing things and what not and have decided to do a collaborative post about "the reasons your not getting results" Lets dive in.

First and Foremost we have noticed alot of guys have become stagnant and are not moving past something as simple as getting a date. So lets start from the beginning. (Now yes it doesn't take game or pick up to get girls, BUT IT SURE HELPS ALOT!!!)

Zphix and I believe in learning all your information first before going out and acting. as in. READ EVERYTHING YOU CAN AND ABSORB EVERYTHING YOU CAN. THEN GO OUT AND MAKE DECISIONS. I studied theory for a solid month before going out and doing ANY approaches, and what I found was I had an extremely large learning curve. I knew what I did wrong after I did them, and was able to tweak myself after each interaction. This is how we were able to ascend from AFCs to who we are today in as little as 3-4 months. Learn the material before you practice it.

So its time for some SSR. Sit down. Shut up and read ;)

(Do as we do and tweak it to your own style and you will notice vast results)

Fundamentals. Zphix and I have discovered we are extremely similar. To our style of game, our attitude, how we portray ourselves, and how we interact with others. Which we believe correlates to success. and that formula is Sarcasm/playfulness with a casual blend of seriousness/sexiness.

Fundamentals we can't stress enough ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT for getting results. you could do 1000 approaches and if your fundamentals are off get less numbers and dates than someone with solid fundamentals and has only done 100 approaches.

How to base your fundamentals.
>100-Hour-Rule
>Vulnerbable-Enchanting-Alluring
>Shy Guys
>Attracting Women
>Changing Your Vibe with Women


READ THEM. LIVE THEM. BECOME THEM!!

Now that we have covered fundamentals Its time for the approach. We are going to stick to day game in this post.

As stated before its QUALITY over QUANTITY. I will tell you. my stats were about 2 -4 approaches 4-5 days, of those i would get 3-4 numbers (usually all) and of those numbers I would get 1 or 2 dates. Not bad if I do say so myself.

Now with the approach. With your fundamentals in hand it will lead you too success. The best way to approach I have found is direct as in "hey quick question? are you single?" or go direct like this: "I was walking past, and couldn't help but notice how cute you are, and I wanted to introduce myself while I still had the chance. I'm Zphix/Tool. Follow up with wit and confidence, as those are the best ways to approach and communicate.

>Zphix Conversation Examples
>How to Approach a Girl
>Cold Approaching Works
>Are You Single?


Now I know Chase, Franco, and most others recommend you do that "natural approach" and say what you feel you need to say without coming across as an autonomous robot. Zphix and I feel the same way. The best way to converse is a natural flow. But if you memorize the responses to some of the conversations above "especially those in the college game link and Ricardus's link" you will be extremely well off, and with time those responses will become natural. Yes it will become repetitive. But remember we are looking for results aren’t we? ;)

Getting the number. This is where alot of guys drop the ball. They have solid fundaments, everything went great. but they get the number and what happens?? They do not get a response or the woman flakes every time... They wonder "WHAT DID I DO WRONG!!! Well I'll tell yea.

Most get so excited that they just say. "well I have to go, you should give me your number" she gives you her number. You text her for a date. and she says no. Why? You didn’t state your intentions. She doesn’t know why you want to text her.
-Is it for a date?
-Is it to ask her for homework?
-Is it to annoy her with texts?

STATE WHY YOU ARE GETTING HER NUMBER FIRST!!! Avoid asking generic things like "Let me get your number..." because you're not communicating your interest, and are likely going to be friendzoned-ed pretty fast, and you'll see the platonic nature in her texting.

Example: Conversation is going great. Its been 5 mins and you want to get going. you say "hey your a pretty cool chick, you and I should grab a coffee sometime" her "yea definitely" you "cool should give me your contact info" (as you extend your phone) she puts it in. Your on top of the world. You go your separate ways.

Now. this is another area where some guys bomb. TEXTING!!
Texting is the most efficient way to get a girl out on a date. It's not inconvenient like a phone call. But you can think about your responses. Where most guys fail is that they do not follow the texting process provided by this site. and again...Yes you can get dates without following the process but following it will give the the best results.

Texting 101. Zphix and I follow a strict process.
1) Get the girls number.
2) Text her 2 hours later with "hey this is (Tool or Zphix) save my number ;)
her OKAY!

2 days later. Text with. "hey (name here) this is Zphix. Hope your days going well. Was thinking you and I should grab that coffee sometime. What’s your schedule look like this week?"

Her "well I'm open (this day or this day at this time)
Us: "how about Wednesday. Starbucks. 7 o’clock. sound good?"
Her "sounds great!"
Us. "cool see you there :)"

The day of the date. 11 o’clock am. Hey (name here) when you get to starbucks I’ll meet you by the front door"
her "okay see you there ;))
Boom. Bam. Done. Notice there was no rapport building. no intermittent texting. Just straight to the point. You want to keep all the rapport building for the face to face date ;)

Now you might ask. "But Zphix!! how can I get her out without building rapport???" well. If your fundamentals and everything else have been solid then you will.

You might ask. But what if she flakes or gives you a hard time, or wants to keep texting you.

If she texts you. Be warm and text back and keep it short and concise.

If she is flaky/ unwilling to go out then follow this process:
-2 days after number you text her.
-She says "my schedule looks pretty full. I'll let you know when I'm free"
-You say "Ok sounds good."

Leave it at that for 5-7 days. then text back with. "hey (name here) hope things have been good. How’s that schedule looking?"
and if you get the same busy response. DON'T EVEN CONTACT HER AGAIN! LEAVE IT!! DONE!! KAPUT!!! She might text you in 2 weeks which is a common trend and NJ handled that like a champ so here is the link to what he did about it: NJ's HBRockerChick

As a note: We typically continually text a girl like this throughout the dating process if we choose it to continue. ITS BEST TO GET TO KNOW ONE ANOTHER IN PERSON AND THE MORE YOU TEXT HER THE LESS OF A CHANCE YOU HAVE OF GETTING HER OUT!!

With abundance you don’t need to dwell on numbers, and for the exact process here are some links. AGAIN!! READ IT!! FOLLOW IT! BECOME IT!!
>What To Text Girls
>Text Message Flirting
>How To Text Girls

Now for The date.

Alright! So you have the date set. Its 11 am. She’s said ok see you there. You're on top of the world, you're feeling great! BUT, WHAT DO YOU DO?

YOU FOLLOW THIS PROCESS BELOW!!!!!!!!

>Tool's First Date Logistics
and
>Tool's LR with Logistics

I don’t even have to outline or tell you anything because it is all outlined in the links above ;)

Now if you have gotten this far. The date should have gone pretty darn well. You’ve pulled her home.

Now the escalation process.

>Escalating in Public
>Take Her To Bed
>Get Her In Bed: 10 Tips
>7 Ways to Touch a Girl
>Sexual Touch

If you follow all of this information given to the T and do as we do. You will see results.

Cheers, The Tool, and Zphix
 

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Re: Tool and Zphix Collab Post

Please sticky Franco or Chase :) Great post guys!
 

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Re: Tool and Zphix Collab Post

Tool, Zphix:

Some much-needed reminders here and I appreciate the efforts you guys have made to set us on the right path. Thank you both!

One question: what if you DO propose a date, in person, after opening, and she "accepts" but then DOESN'T reply to your texts?

I can see that if you just ask for a phone number without giving a reason, you are practically asking to be ignored by the girl, especially since it is written on this site about one hundred thousand times not to do that. But what if you go through the process and she knows you want to see her again, and still she doesn't respond?

Move onto the next one?

One more question: what does this mean...
As stated before, it's QUALITY over QUANTITY.
Does it mean to approach only alluring, sexy girls and ignore the rest?

-Marty
 

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Re: Tool and Zphix Collab Post

One question: what if you DO propose a date, in person, after opening, and she "accepts" but then DOESN'T reply to your texts?

I can see that if you just ask for a phone number without giving a reason, you are practically asking to be ignored by the girl, especially since it is written on this site about one hundred thousand times not to do that. But what if you go through the process and she knows you want to see her again, and still she doesn't respond?
This goes along with the flaking ;) You ALWAYS imply a date before hand. and if she flakes follow the process above.

Now if you two set up a date, day, time, place in the same interaction. Follow the process outlined. Only text her 11 am of the day of the date ;)

One more question: what does this mean...


As stated before, it's QUALITY over QUANTITY.


Does it mean to approach only alluring, sexy girls and ignore the rest?

-Marty
No. What this means is that you have to make your approach of the HIGHEST QUALITY!! make sure you have your fundementles down pat. like I said someone who has only done 100 approaches could have more success than someone that has done 1000. Its all about the quality OF YOUR INTERACTION!!

Cheers, The Tool
 

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Re: Tool and Zphix Collab Post

Do you guys live near each other? It be pretty cool if both of you actually went out as wingmen and gamed hot girls.
 

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Excellent post! I'll be applying this immediately.

Much appreciated guys,

Topcat ;)
 

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@Eternity
Do you guys live near each other? It be pretty cool if both of you actually went out as wingmen and gamed hot girls.
Zyphix lives like 4 hours a way from where I do. And we are both in LTR's atm ;)
Rumor has it he might be going to the same college I am next year. Hopefully he makes the right choice haha ;)

Excellent Post, I'll be applying this immediately!
Thanks Topcat

Cheers

The Tool
 

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Zyphix lives like 4 hours a way from where I do. And we are both in LTR's atm ;)
Rumor has it he might be going to the same college I am next year. Hopefully he makes the right choice haha ;)

Mannnnnnnn, I hope I end up in Geebs... shit would be epic!
 

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T Vaunswa said:
Mannnnnnnn, I hope I end up in Geebs... shit would be epic!
The world would implode with epicness

I don't think there'd be any girls left for the rest of us...!

Loved the post, Tool and Rich! Some holes in my game that this fixed.

~Nick
 

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Neat post, guys. Keep them coming! ;)

Balsir
 

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Thanks guys ;)

Would love to read more comments. If you read. Plz comment. Also possible sticky?
 

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Tool and Rich,

Amazing post, guys! This has almost everything that one may need, and it will really help me improve myself and my game. Thanks a ton and keep up the good work!

-Pato
 

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Re: STICKIED: Still Not Getting Results? Check Here (By Tool & Zphix)

Question regarding fundamentals. Most girls I approach don't respond well to my openers. I know its not how I open because I've read every article on GC on opening. I know these girls look at me, and reject me straight away based on my looks. So my question is: how many fundamentals do you need to have handled, before girls start receiving you warmly? What is written next, is the fundamentals applied to myself.

Sexy haircut
Trying out different hairstyles right now. Currently, I have the sides cut short and the top long, so that I sort of have bangs. But I use moulding puddy and make the front part of my hair stick up. So my hair is cut short on the sides, with the front spiked up. My ears stick out like dumbo the flying elephant, something that people would always make fun of in high school. So I don't think I should continue using my current hairstyle, since the hair is short on the sides, meaning it shows off my protruding ears more. I've googled: "good haircuts for men with big ears" and I got some results, but I gotta look at them more before my next haircut.

Sexy facial hair
Can grow a moustache, a bit of sideburns, and some chin hair - don't know what to do though, maybe just a moustache for now. The problem with the chin hair is that it comes in patches, like grows spread out and straight out like cornstalks lol. So it's like prickly and doesn't look furry, like what men with good facial hair have.

Body
Working out 4 times a week right now, and really making an effort to eat more; stuffing food down my stomach every two hours. I only weight 133 lbs at the moment.

Voice
High and feminine sounding voice. People used to make fun of me for this as well. I've read Chase's article on getting a sexy voice, but I need you guys to clear some things up (gonna make a mini section about this at the bottom of this post).

Expressions
Gotta use facial expressions more. I usually get too "into the moment" to think of this.

Good sense of fashion
Spent a bunch of money over the last few months, and really improved this from looking at fashion magazines and just looking at the way other high-stature men dress.

Sexy walk, gracile movements and slow movement speed
Do this almost naturally now.

Posture
Trying my best to always remember to keep back straight, chest slight out, and shoulders rolled back. Constantly monitoring my posture.

Eye contact
This is easy to do unless your someone who is easily intimidated. Focus on the bridge between both eyes, and toss in some triangle gazes here and there to show non-verbal attraction.

Speech
Also constantly monitoring myself to talk slower and use pregnant pauses.

So all in all, there are 10 fundamentals. I have 5 of them: fashion, walk/movement, posture, eye contact, and speech. The 5 I don't have are: hair, facial hair, body, voice, and facial expressions. The hardest thing to fix right now is my voice and facial hair, but I want to talk specifically about my voice.

Chase says you must do 4 things to get a sexy voice.

1. Hyoid: When you speak, make or feel the back of your tongue floating upward. I tried doing this, and I ended up trying to lick the roof of my mouth while talking. This is really confusing. Chase says make the back of your tongue go up. When I try to lick the roof of my mouth, that's making the front of my tongue go up. How the hell do I make the back of my tongue go up!? This is retarded, and is driving me crazy!

2. Purr: add the "purr" that George Clooney has to my voice. But I must focus on having a deeper voice first, before I can do this, which means I have to take care of this hyoid problem! Ahhh!

3.
Depth and Resonance: When you speak, you should be speaking from the bottom of your chest and lungs. Focus on adding that depth and the resonance it brings. Your voice will sound much more masculine and intense, creating a more desirable impression.
How do I speak from the bottom of my chest and lungs?

4. Boredom: say things like: "is that right" OR "oh really?"
This is easy to do

Additional notes:

a) get a voice coach?

b) record my voice and make tweaks to it (I have done this, and I have to admit, I sound like a fucking child!)

c) deepen my voice on purpose (I just did this, and it sounds so retarted to me. I mean, if I deepen my voice on purpose, it wouldn't be my natural voice, so if I said something to a girl in my deep voice, and then forgot to deepen it for the next phrase I say, she would know that I was just faking it, and it would make me look like a reet).

d) am I over-thinking this voice thing? something tells me I am... but at the same time, I sound like a little boy! and I hate it! and I want to change it! I just DON'T KNOW HOW.
 

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Re: STICKIED: Still Not Getting Results? Check Here (By Tool & Zphix)

This is quality stuff - basic to the core, probably the only thing anyone needs to remember to start getting successful results.

- Sit down, shut up, and Read... I love it! lol ;)
 

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Re: STICKIED: Still Not Getting Results? Check Here (By Tool & Zphix)

Love it. This was great.

Zphix and I believe in learning all your information first before going out and acting. as in. READ EVERYTHING YOU CAN AND ABSORB EVERYTHING YOU CAN. THEN GO OUT AND MAKE DECISIONS. I studied theory for a solid month before going out and doing ANY approaches, and what I found was I had an extremely large learning curve.

I agree with this to an extent, but I think it gets very draining, and you lose momentum and motivation if you read for a month without action. Different strokes for different folks, right?

I'll admit that I don't know the best way to get started, but I suggest the below as an alternative for people viewing this thread. When I started, I did just kind of stumble about, reading random articles, asking out random women, etc. I just wanted to go out and meet women, not read all day, but it wasn't a great way to start.

1.) Start Monday reading all of the fundamental articles on GC (the ones from the OP). Read about posture, eye contact, yes ladders, getting dates, "bad boy," and texting. AVOID topics on relationships, advanced techniques, or anything else that is not the initial phase. After you get a girl's number and are about to set up the date, then fill your head up with topics on this (like date templates, moving fast, sex, logistics, "Shopping Guy" article -- not supplicating, etc.).

2.) Throughout the week, practice fundamentals. Good posture. A deeper, purring voice. Strong eye contact (break away from the side). Clothes if possible (and maybe something unique like a bracelet, necklace, hat, etc.). When you go to lunch or talk to anyone, try to ask a question or 2 to practice conversation, going deeper. Try to think of the atypical, not just "Hey, how are you? Good, thanks. Bye."

3.) You should be pretty motivated and progressing a little at this point. I say go ahead and go out that weekend, during the day AND night, so that you get a feel of both, or wait until the beginning of next week.

4.) Next week start the newbie assignment.

After 2 weeks, you should have asked out some girls on cold approaches. This is your goal. You should be beginning your journey on non-verbal and verbal fundamentals.

As for the next 2 weeks, you should be reading the rest of the articles and text from the OP. Your goal should be going on a date and practicing what you read.

Just my thoughts, feel free to criticize.
 

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Re: STICKIED: Still Not Getting Results? Check Here (By Tool & Zphix)

It is a shame I did not see this post back in October.

I did not get laid this semester, hell I am buying my friend dinner now because I lost a bet with who could lay more girls.

I simply did not put enough work into it enough. I have improved my fashion a great deal, I have been going to the gym and have that set. I have changed my mannerisms and I do get more attention however I still struggle to get results.

Anyway thanks for those post, even though this is two months late I will actually use it over the winter break
 
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Re: STICKIED: Still Not Getting Results? Check Here (By Tool & Zphix)

were are these links the college game link and Ricardo's link" i don't see theme :)
 

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Zphix said:
This is how we were able to ascend from AFCs to who we are today in as little as 3-4 months. Learn the material before you practice it.

Wasn't one of you guys saying to be a "natural?".

The learning before action you propose might help some, but I personally think the starting level has a much bigger impact and if someone learns that quickly is, in many cases, more because of natural good predisposition and fundamentals than not because of method.
 

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none of us were REALLY natural. don't know where u heard that. I had zero anything with women before this site

I do have a natural predisposition to extrovert ism, and being a conversationalist.



this is what has worked best for Richard and Myself. and various others who have followed our "ways".

"try it before you buy it"
 
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