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I’ll start off this post today by sharing a conversation I had with a very active seducer who is aware of what’s going on today in the pickup scene and what it was like pre-Covid. Because a lot has changed since then.
Upfront game is basically your look. Which encompasses what you look like face, clothing style, body etc. Here we agreed if your upfront game is good, then the game is easy. Which is why I don’t respond to questions I get regarding what my verbal game look like. Because the game is pretty much over from the beginning if your upfront game is very strong.
The second thing I’ll talk about before diving into the post is a post written last year by skills on Optimal game. He wrote it in response to people claiming to getting results despite not doing the optimal thing your supposed to do to get a lot of those results. I’ve already shared what is the true markings of an advanced seducer: the hotness of the girls your banging and how consistently you get them.
so if someone were to respond for instance, “I fucked girls while I was dressed like shit”. We’ll compare that statement to what it means to be an advanced seducer.
Because you did something, but are unable to reproduce that result in a consistent manner, it falls under not optimal. Because if something is optimal it means that is the best thing to get you the results you want (hot girls) on a consistent basis.
So what I’m discussing in this post is the most optimal way to go about that.
And the third and last thing I’ll discuss, is on separating good looks and dress style. Because the reality is not all of us can be model tier looking guys no matter how much we work out or eat healthy. We’ll be at best high 7s low 8s. So what we want is for our dress style to enhance (add a point) our look to further strengthen our upfront game.
one of the guys I’m going to be referencing today is Jacob Elordi. Who most girls (especially of the 18-24 year old demographic) will think is hot. So he can dress optimally or not, and would still get girls. Not to mention he’s also a famous celebrity. So could get girls just off that. So dressing well is not a requirement for him. Yet he is someone who does have great fashion sense. Not always tho. This girl on Tiktok made a video on Jacob Elordi, if what he was wearing was a good outfit or just a celebrity.
Here is an example of a bad outfit. And therefore should not be used as inspiration because it would not enhance your overall look.
And here is an example of a good outfit. That you could use for inspiration because it will enhance your overall look.
Now that we got those 3 points out of the way i will post the guide in the next post.

Upfront game is basically your look. Which encompasses what you look like face, clothing style, body etc. Here we agreed if your upfront game is good, then the game is easy. Which is why I don’t respond to questions I get regarding what my verbal game look like. Because the game is pretty much over from the beginning if your upfront game is very strong.
The second thing I’ll talk about before diving into the post is a post written last year by skills on Optimal game. He wrote it in response to people claiming to getting results despite not doing the optimal thing your supposed to do to get a lot of those results. I’ve already shared what is the true markings of an advanced seducer: the hotness of the girls your banging and how consistently you get them.
so if someone were to respond for instance, “I fucked girls while I was dressed like shit”. We’ll compare that statement to what it means to be an advanced seducer.
Because you did something, but are unable to reproduce that result in a consistent manner, it falls under not optimal. Because if something is optimal it means that is the best thing to get you the results you want (hot girls) on a consistent basis.
So what I’m discussing in this post is the most optimal way to go about that.
And the third and last thing I’ll discuss, is on separating good looks and dress style. Because the reality is not all of us can be model tier looking guys no matter how much we work out or eat healthy. We’ll be at best high 7s low 8s. So what we want is for our dress style to enhance (add a point) our look to further strengthen our upfront game.
one of the guys I’m going to be referencing today is Jacob Elordi. Who most girls (especially of the 18-24 year old demographic) will think is hot. So he can dress optimally or not, and would still get girls. Not to mention he’s also a famous celebrity. So could get girls just off that. So dressing well is not a requirement for him. Yet he is someone who does have great fashion sense. Not always tho. This girl on Tiktok made a video on Jacob Elordi, if what he was wearing was a good outfit or just a celebrity.
Here is an example of a bad outfit. And therefore should not be used as inspiration because it would not enhance your overall look.

And here is an example of a good outfit. That you could use for inspiration because it will enhance your overall look.

Now that we got those 3 points out of the way i will post the guide in the next post.