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[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Re: Couldn't you actually turn being Asian or Brown guy in the US into an advant

Something else I want to add is that OkCupid, match, and E Harmony are for the most part heavily white websites. Even the minorities on those websites will be looking for a white partner rather than one of their own race. Many of these websites serve the purpose of relationships and marriage in which I agree white men will win out but if we're talking about getting laid then I highly doubt white men have that big of an advantage. I do agree that white guys overall have a slight advantage if all else is equal but in reality, it hardly ever is.

 

[Rusty]

Re: Couldn't you actually turn being Asian or Brown guy in the US into an advant

Something that I will also add:

Obviously, if you live in the States or Europe/ Canada, you're looking at a white-heavy demographic. Your perception might be skewed depending on whether you live in a major metropolitan city (New York, Los Angeles, San Diego, Chicago, Miami, etc.) but even still, whites are still the largest population.

So, sure, if you want to argue that, yeah, whites are on their "home" turf, so to speak. They have "home court advantage", in that American/ European rhetoric, media, writing, iconography, etc is all white focused.

But if you take a white/ black/ Latino man and dropped him in Korea, China, or Japan, guess what. You're not special. You're not the "alpha". You're actually at a major disadvantage, because you're a foreigner and an outsider, and the insular nature of the culture of, in this case, South East Asian countries, especially China and Korea makes it harder to foreigners to break through.

Sure, if you have friends and you're not like the typical expat, you might have some luck with the average Asian girl in these parts. But be reminded that if you really want to meet the high quality, sophisticated, super-hot, high status women, being "white" and looking the part doesn't give you a leg up on the locals there. You'll be like a fish out of water.

Surprise, surprise, Asia doesn't idealize White culture. Asian women are not easy, just because you're white. You're not some gods or superior men in Asia. In fact, you have many inherent disadvantages because 1) you're probably going to be experiencing massive culture shock if you're the average white male, and 2) Asian men you see in the States and the Asian men you see in cinema and media in white American media is not an accurate portrayal of the general Asian population.

A lot of people think they know what Asia is like, what real Asian men and Asian masculinity is defined as, but they don't understand. Even American/European/ Candian born Asian men think they've got a handle on Asian culture when they've never spent an extended period of time living there and really experiencing the social scene, spending time with real, dominant Asian men are like.

No, most Americans/ Europeans do not understand the heart of Asian culture and the types of men that are out there. It's only in America, and Europe to a lesser degree that Asian men are marginalized and people have these stereotyped views of them. No, if you wanna meet real "alpha" Asian men, you go to the motherland, not some Koreatown or Chinatown in Los Angeles or New York. You haven't spent time around true Asian culture if you haven't lived and experienced it in the countries themselves, and not simply as a tourist either.

 

[Drck]

Re: Couldn't you actually turn being Asian or Brown guy in the US into an advant

I appreciate your opinion, but we should always support our opinions with some data. My claim is based on my observation. I observed pretty much the same in US the same what I observed in Europe. I provided some data, hopefully it is understandable that this is not a scientific proof; rather it is just simply compilation of data from dating sites of about 25 millions of users or so. I also asked for some data that would support your claim, yet I don't see any...

We are talking about USA, not the whole world (see the original question). So yes, it might be different in India or Asia, but at the same time it seems that it is rather similar in USA and Europe. Do we have data for India or Asia? No. Also note that minorities living in USA are most likely reflected in these dating sites, but again it is not a scientific research...

My simple observation in USA and in Europe is, that females of different races (White, Asian, ...) prefer White males; they find them more attractive. All females? No, most females of that particular race. Simply on average, most females would take a white guy vs other race, assuming that everything else is equal...

See the title from the link I provided it states "Race and Attraction, 2009-2014", so it is fairly recent.

Please note this whole paragraph (copied from the web): The values in these tables are “preference vs. the average.” Think of them as how people weigh race in deciding attraction. So, for example, in the bottom-right corner of the lower table, you see that White women think White men are 17% more attractive than average guy. Move one square to the left, and you see that they think Latinos are 1% above average, and so on.

So, let's imagine a simple Attraction scale: In the middle there is some "average guy", at 0. To the left, there are negative values (-1,-2,-3,...) and to the right there are positive values (1,2,4,...). Simple enough: in the middle there is average guy, to the left there are less attractive than average, and to the right there are more attractive guy(s) to the average.

See the table again. WOMEN RATING MAN (race and attraction), Year 2009:

- Asian women rating White males: "White men are 16% more attractive than average guy"; Asian women rating Asian men: "Asian men are 10% more attractive than average guy", and Black and Latino males are even negative (less attractive than average).
Conclusion: Asian women view White males as most attractive, even more attractive than Asian males. They simply prefer White males to other races. On the scale, White males are at 16% above average, Asian males 10% above average, Black and Latinos are on the left side, meaning less attractive than average. Assuming that those Asian girls want to go out with the most attractive guys, they would chose White males first, then Asian men second. They would rather go out with "average guy" than with Latino or Black males.

- White women rating White males: "White men are 17% more attractive than average guy"; Latino males are 1% and Asian and Black have negative values
Conclusion: White females rate White males as most attractive; next Latino who is pretty much attractive as average and so on; They simply prefer White males. On the scale, White males are at 17, Latino at 1, and Black and Asians are to the left (less attractive then average). Assuming that those White girls want to go out with the most attractive guys, they would chose White males.

- Latino women rating Latino males as the most attractive (11%), next White males (10%); The other races are less attractive, negative values
Conclusion: Latino females rate Latino males as most attractive, however White males are almost as attractive (11% vs 10%); The other races are rated below average. On the scale, Latino are at 11, White at 10, and Black and Asian guys have negative value. Assuming that those Latino girls want to go out with the most attractive guys, they would chose Latino males but also white males.

- Black females rate Black males as the most attractive (16%). White males are average (0%), Asian and Latino are negative
Conclusion: Black females rate Black males as the most attractive; they see white male as average (0%). Assuming that those Black girls want to go out with the most attractive guys, they would chose Black males.

We obviously don't have other data for other races in these tables. I would also be quite curious to see more extensive demographic details, e.g. China, Japan, India, Germany, Russia and so on...

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Said differently, based on the provided data it is rather clear that there is a difference between races; White males are simply viewed as most attractive - in USA, and most likely in Europe as well. Does it mean that every White or Asian girl wants only White guy? No. But most find them more attractive in comparison to other races. Does it mean that if some race is rated below average (0) of attraction, that those girls hate that race and will never go out with those guys? No. They simply find them less attractive than average, at least upon the initial assessment. The initial attraction can of course change, say just for example, that after 3 dates White guys can be valued at -15 on the scale of attraction, while Black and Asian guys can be valued at +25. There is no limit, it is really up to those guys to change the perception and attractiveness...

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You know what high value is, quit playing that bullshit game of yours. Good looking, makes a decent amount of money, has game and isn't some thirsty simp, and an interesting lifestyle is high value.

>>>> Ok, good, but there is also lots of differences in Value. Value changes as the girl's age changes. Say she is 20, full of life, full of desire for experiences. Will she look for a guy who makes lots of money, established high value in society and high value as a provider? Chances are that she'll go out and fuck with some local dumbo who has no future. Why? She simply doesn't see the value of the first guy, it has no meaning for her at this age as she is looking for something totally different. That is why many providers get rejected fast. 10-15 years later, she may not even look at the dumbo, while she will be chasing any guy who even remotely resembles provider, she will be desperate to get the guy like that...

 

[Drck]

Re: Couldn't you actually turn being Asian or Brown guy in the US into an advant

But if you take a white/ black/ Latino man and dropped him in Korea, China, or Japan, guess what. You're not special. You're not the "alpha". You're actually at a major disadvantage
>>>> Honestly, I have no idea, just curious: could somebody who is 'foreigner' in these countries confirm it?

 

[Rusty]

Re: Couldn't you actually turn being Asian or Brown guy in the US into an advant

Perhaps I must make my point clear with explicit wording.

Although, yes, the post is talking about US, the point that I'm making is that there is nothing inherently wrong with Asians/ South Asians/ South East Asians/ or any other group you want to fill in the blank with. That the point that you're making that "white men are seen as more attractive" is not really a truth, but rather a contextual phenomena, while I don't believe it's true.

There is no "more attractive". It's all relative, and very situational/contextual. What you're arguing through these statistics may prove that in online dating, yes, while males are more desirable, but it doesn't establish that white men are more attractive or even more desirable.

That's a very slippery slope you're going down there, my friend. Making claims that whites are more attractive than another race. That might appear to be so based on online dating statistics, but it takes a lot more than percentage points and surveys online to determine something as complicated and complex as attractiveness and correlation to race.

Let's not promote white supremacist, racist ideologies here. Differences exist, but those differences do not make a man superior or inferior, based on the color of his skin. There is no proof that white men are more attractive, and it sure as hell is not true. Don't go down that path.

No race is more attractive than other. It all comes down to each individual man. You are limited by your own beliefs and your own experiences. It's up to you to mold yourself into an attractive man, regardless of your upbringing, your genes, your culture, your race. Just shut the fuck up and go and build and grow and change.

This type of discussion, while interesting, is not promoting growth or positive change.

And the not-so-subtle support for white supremacist ideologies is not something that is conducive to each man's personal growth on this forum. Cut it out.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Re: Couldn't you actually turn being Asian or Brown guy in the US into an advant

Most Hispanic women in the USA are with Hispanic men.

Most Asian women with the USA, believe it or not, are actually with Asian men.

Most Black women are with Black men.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... rying-out/

You can say one million things based on a study that talks about preference but reality is that most women are marrying and getting with men of their own race.

Now you can go on and dig up 1 million different studies on dating preferences but the reality is that most women like and prefer men of their own race, no matter how hard online dating sites try to convince people otherwise.

Your OkCupid study is also inconsistent.

Black women rate black men as the most attractive yet this chart shows them as being the most inclusive of all the races.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/201 ... ogSpan.jpg

Even then, the gap between white men and men of other ethnic groups is not really that big, the rates are for the most part the same (well below 50% at that).

Value rarely changes by age, a good looking guy with wealth and game is going to do well no matter what his age and women of all ages will like him.

See everyone, THIS is how inconsistent race and dating studies are and why people like drck are not making the wise decision to use them in an argument. Guys of minority groups on this forum, ignore that background noise.

 

[Drck]

Re: Couldn't you actually turn being Asian or Brown guy in the US into an advant

You are misinterpreting the data though, you've just proved yourself wrong. I don't know how else to digest it.

So:
Most Asian women are with Asian men
Most Black women are with Black men
Most Hispanic women are with Hispanic men
Most Latino women are with ...???
Most White women are with ...???

But that is not a suprice, that is what I am saying. You basically proved that you are wrong, you don't even understand what you've just posted and you are writing that I am wrong.

See my original claim above: THE RACE MATTERS
See your original claim above: Race does NOT matter at all!

The race clearly matters, in your own words: "most women like and prefer men of their own race, no matter how hard online dating sites try to convince people otherwise". If it didn't matter, it would be far more equal, say you would find for example Asian women marrying 20% of Asian males, 20% of White males, 20% of Black males, 20% of Latino, and 20% others. But it is not that way, Asian women are with Asian man...

Said differently, Asian guy doesn't have as good chances with White girls as White guys. He has less chances as he is perceived less attractive (than White guy). Similarly with other races.

When you look at the table again and see how e.g. White male perceives White women vs. Latina women (http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race- ... 2009-2014/) it is pretty much the same: White women are 10% more attractive than average women, and Latina women are 2% more attractive than average woan. Which logically means that White male will go for White woman, and not for the Latina woman. So at the end, White usually marries White, and Latina usually marries Latino...

Another difficulties with that logic is, that initial attraction doesn't mean that she will eventually marry that guy. Asian women may be initially attracted to White male. But she marries Asian guy. Why is that? Well, there is tens of other factors. Culture, religion, family, believes, financial background,... The guys fundamentals, values... Asian guy also have different VALUES in her eyes in comparison to White guy. Values are different, and they also matter... What Asian guy considers high values may be different from White or Black guy...

In another words, if I really like Latina girl but she is more attracted to Latino guy because she just finds more Values in him that she is seeking, and even regardless of skin color - will she marry me (assuming that everything else is equal)? I wish, but no way. She will marry the Latino guy...

Based on the above, the logical conclusion is: Most women like and prefer men of their own race, thus Asian guy will most likely end up being with Asian girl, Indian guy will most likely end up with Indian girl, Black guy will most likely end up with Black girl and so on. "Most Likely" doesn't obviously mean "All the time", there is lots of variation and exceptions, but the likelyhood that Asian guy will end up being with White girl is simply lower in comparison to Asian girl...

Background noice, LOL...

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Re: Couldn't you actually turn being Asian or Brown guy in the US into an advant

You keep flip flopping every single fucking chance you get. At one point you're saying women of all races in the USA are going crazy for white men and when I post factual statistics to the contrary, well then you're saying I just proved myself wrong. No, I did not prove myself wrong, I used statistics to prove you wrong.

Another difficulties with that logic is, that initial attraction doesn't mean that she will eventually marry that guy. Asian women may be initially attracted to White male. But she marries Asian guy. Why is that? Well, there is tens of other factors. Culture, religion, family, believes, financial background

Sure okay, and we can say the same exact shit about white women and asian men, we can right? Right? You aren't going to abandon this logic when it comes to getting white women as an Asian guy right? Except we are not talking marriage, we are talking ONS and fucking here.

You have to stop using online dating studies as your bread and butter for the argument you are trying to make, I have proven how inconsistent they are at this point.

Contrary to what PUA says, most Asian men are not going out of their way to get white women, most are happy with Asian women as well.

At this point, you are simply doing whatever it takes to shove white supremacy down our throats despite the fact that I have used statistics (which you begged for) to prove you wrong and show how inconsistent the online dating studies are (which you ignored btw). You clearly have an agenda.

 

[Drck]

Re: Couldn't you actually turn being Asian or Brown guy in the US into an advant

Dude, you are missing the whole point. You are blaming me for your misunderstanding.

Race matters, it is a factor. No matter how good or bad the study from okcupid is, it is clear that race matters. Than you posted your links. Ok, good, but it shows exactly the same: race matters. If you don't like these studies,no problem - find better ones. However, they show exactly what I'm talking about: Race matters.

If both Asian girl and White girls find White males most attractive, but White male finds White female more attractive, who do you think ends up together? It's mostly gonna be White male and White female. That's basic logic. Does it mean that White males and White females are racists, white supremacists? You would have to be an idiot to believe that.

If I find Black girl more attractive than White girls, but these Black girls go for Black guys because they perceive Black guys as more attractive - how much chances do I have? I have less chances than those Black guys. Is it impossible to get Black girl? No. In general, she just finds Black males more attractive

That's not flip flopping, it's not about agenda nor whirte supremacy, it is about your misunderstanding. If you are refusing to understand that, sorry, but that's not really my problem.

 

[Chase]

Threads merged, new thread is still "can XYZ guy get ABC girl???"

Yep, same ol' stuff everybody else uses works just fine for you, with them, too. Provided you do it. Execution is the great differentiator, lads.

See post #1 in this thread.

Chase

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Re: Couldn't you actually turn being Asian or Brown guy in the US into an advant

Dude, you are missing the whole point. You are blaming me for your misunderstanding.

Race matters, it is a factor. No matter how good or bad the study from okcupid is, it is clear that race matters. Than you posted your links. Ok, good, but it shows exactly the same: race matters. If you don't like these studies,no problem - find better ones. However, they show exactly what I'm talking about: Race matters.

If both Asian girl and White girls find White males most attractive, but White male finds White female more attractive, who do you think ends up together? It's mostly gonna be White male and White female. That's basic logic. Does it mean that White males and White females are racists, white supremacists? You would have to be an idiot to believe that.

If I find Black girl more attractive than White girls, but these Black girls go for Black guys because they perceive Black guys as more attractive - how much chances do I have? I have less chances than those Black guys. Is it impossible to get Black girl? No. In general, she just finds Black males more attractive

That's not flip flopping, it's not about agenda nor white supremacy, it is about your misunderstanding. If you are refusing to understand that, sorry, but that's not really my problem.

Here is how this whole argument went:

1. You claimed that Asian, Hispanic, and mostly all non-White women are crazy for white men by posting up a racial preferences study. Your point was not that race matters, your point was that women of all races are going crazy for white guys, don't lie to save face, that was your point.

2. I took that study and showed you how inconsistent it was. Your very own OkCupid race study showed that black women wrote back to black men the least while on the other hand it is saying they found black men more attractive. Look at this chart, 28 is a smaller number than any of the numbers above 30, you must have learned this in your math classes.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/201 ... ogSpan.jpg

3. You asked me for studies, I posted actual statistics showing that most women are with men of their own race. If you bothered to click the links you woud know.

4. You simply said this is because of culture, religion, and so many other factors. Made an example saying that Asian women are with Asian men more so than white men because of those factors.

5. I responded by saying you can say the same exact thing for why most white women are with white men.

6. Then I made my point that we are not talking marriage or LTRs here as of yet, just casual hook ups and sex which you cannot study so well.

7. After being proven wrong, in an attempt to save your ego, you stuck with it and said that you were right ANYWAYS and that race matters. You misunderstood that your entire OkCupid study was inconsistent nonsense.

We can agree that race matters (even though that was not your original point at all, it was that all women are going crazy for white guys) just like hair color, eye color, money, height, body type, and all of that matters. The main point of this thread we were trying to make was that an Asian guy with his shit together can date attractive girls of other races and do well in the game.

So your entire study that you dug up to make an argument out of nothing was a waste of time, that is the frustration on here. While we were all trying to make that point, you simply dug up useless OkCupid studies that only show the average response rates of all races (well below 50%). We're not trying to be average here.

Do you have anymore statistics to show this entire board that men of minority groups are fucked when it comes to dating and relationships? Because that was your fucking agenda. There is no misunderstanding, you were trying to convince everyone that men of minority groups are fucked when it comes to dating and relationships and when you were proven wrong, you simply changed your stance.

Either that or your reading comprehension needs some serious work.

 

[Estate]

Guys... Jesus...

NOBODY CAN GET EVERY GIRL.

Can we get that straight? Any PUA telling you otherwise is playing on your insecurities.

Every place IN THE WORLD has is own set of cultural differences from anywhere else so whatever your situation is, it might suck, but you're not special.

If you are "like" another person, the commonalities will help bring you together. If you're not, you can either work harder to be the type of person they like or you can sulk in the corner.

End of story. The same principles apply. If you think Southern America is unlike any other place on earth (BS), then either move or do something about it for yourself. You sound like there's something else to be said here, like there is a special magic bullet to change everything about where you are. There's not. If you want success. You do the same things anyone else on this site came to learn.

What do you guys want? There are NO other answers!

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Important advice for Indian, Middle Eastern, and even Asian guys in the USA.

I have found that Indian, Asian, and Middle Eastern men in the USA don't usually do as well and one the main things that has led me to this conclusion is just how many Asian and Indian guys tend to go into PUA. Now most guys who go into PUA go there because they struggled with girls early on in their lives and want to learn about how to do better now. I am of Indian descent and even though I had my issues at first, I believe I've done well enough in my time here to give advice. The reason I included Asian guys in this (even though they don't look remotely like Indian or Middle Eastern men) is because I feel like the thing that is causing issues for Indian and Middle Eastern guys is also what somewhat hurts Asian guys.

That thing is called helicopter parenting.

Call it narcissistic parenting or whatever, I never realized it until I moved out of my house for college and noticed that I had confidence and self-esteem problems. After working it out for years, I found that many Indian, Asian, and Middle Eastern guys I have talked to have had the same issue. It is that same helicopter parenting that causes a lot of guys from the groups I named to "miss out" on a lot of experiences. It is not uncommon for an Indian American male to be a virgin past the age of 20, mainly because of his relationship with his parents.

Helicopter parents always see the worst in a situation, they're paranoid, and treat their kids like 2 year olds even if the guy is 21. A lot of this not only leads to a stunted social development but also self-esteem and confidence problems.

"There is a lot of negativity involved when helicopter parents raise their kids."

You're never good enough.
Something is ALWAYS wrong with you no matter how good you are.
Your mind gets poisoned A LOT by you constantly being told how crappy the world is and how useless you are.
You are always being shouted at or disciplined for the smallest of mistakes.

If you're the typical Asian, Arab, or Indian American male, chances are that this really does apply to you and your mindset. You tend to see the worst in a situation such as this one with game. Rejection hurts you even more than it would hurt a black or white guy because all it takes it 1 rejection for you to tell yourself "see, I knew I was right, I knew she hates men of my race!". So when you have these negative thoughts in your head about race, women, and not being to get hot girls because of your race; it is that helicopter parenting coming into play. Helicopter parenting typically creates needy and emotionally sensitive boys, which is not helpful when learning game at all.

You really get a handle on this. You have to realize that the way you were raised and what your parents did to you has undoubtedly fucked up your self-esteem, confidence, and other things in your life. Whether it is through therapy or keeping limited contact with your parents (no hate but if this applies to you, you have to limit contact), you have to attack this issue.

Your parents will never agree with you, they will NEVER admit their mistakes in raising you, and they will continue to do everything to make you into a sexless man. At some point, you have to tell your parents to fuck off, that is the reality.

Here is some other advice

1. Make friends with different races and avoid your ethnic social circles!

Asian and Indian men really need to listen to this advice. Avoid your ethnic social circles and make friends of various races, it will really open up your mind and experiences, you should be doing this anyways.

2. Stop being so damn shy about your fucking preference in women!

I am an Indian guy and I fucking love blonde white girls. People give me shit for it at times but I could care less. I exclusively go after white women and I know it pisses some people off but I could care less. My preference is not changing and I don't want it to change. I see my preference as my way of being confident, independent, bold, and just going after what I like. American society does not want me sleeping with a hot blonde but that makes me do it even more as a form of rebellion. Whatever the cause for my preference is, I have it anyways because it is what I am attracted to and I am the only one who has a say in who he wants to fuck.

 

[Drck]

Re: Important advice for Indian, Middle Eastern, and even Asian guys in the USA.

"You're never good enough.
Something is ALWAYS wrong with you no matter how good you are.
Your mind gets poisoned A LOT by you constantly being told how crappy the world is and how useless you are.
You are always being shouted at or disciplined for the smallest of mistakes"

Totally agree, I believe that this is the same in Europe, this is exactly how I was raised, Not even so much by my family but rather I was treated that way in schools and by other adults. They always seek the negative on things and people. Nobody ever mentions that you are doing your best at 95% of your potential, they always bring you down because of the 5% you miss, and they want to make you perform at 110% - so you reach your "full potential". This is just insanity, it is a true poison, after a while it shoots down persons self esteem. It pisses me off even today when I interact with people with the exact attitude.

Just curious about the race, based on your experience, do you think you have the same chances getting white girl vs white guy? Thanks

 

[Rusty]

Re: Important advice for Indian, Middle Eastern, and even Asian guys in the USA.

Stop.

While I can acknowledge that the way you are raised factors into your way of being and personality, ultimately it rests on the individual to break free and live according to the way he wants to.

This topic is not beneficial nor constructive in any shape or form. It's just reiterating the previous topics that are obsessed with race. We've talked about this in depth before. Stop reviving needless topics that are already being discussed.

Race is only a factor, upbringing is only a factor if you yourself fail to correct it.

Stop making excuses.

These topics aren't helpful or productive at all. They've been addressed. Just stop obsessing over race and work on your fundamentals. Go approach women and learn what you can improve. Stop obsessing over something you can't control (your skin color/ cultural background). Go level up in the real world. Stop making pointless topics like this. You already know the answers. Just do it.

I'm making a personal request to Chase or Franco to close these types of topics. We've already addressed this and this horse has been beaten death plenty already.

 

[Drck]

Re: Important advice for Indian, Middle Eastern, and even Asian guys in the USA.

I disagree Rusty, it is an important topic to discuss. There are many people who have problem with race, and not only in seduction. Stoping discussion on any topic that you or anyone else's disagree with but that is relevant is a simply form of censorship.

I agree 100% that each person (guy) should eventually accept full responsibility for his behavior, that race is only factor, that guys should stop making excuses and so on as you wrote, however we also need to understand why is that. Some guys don't need to identify the root cause, however others do, and free discussion without censorship is a simple way to bring some insight into it. If the discussion is not pertinent to you or anybody else - why not simply skip it...?

I'm white, but I can easily associate with what OP posted, there are definitely cultural, racial, religious and other factors that need to be addressed. It might be easy to see it if you are not Influenced by those factors yourself, however if you grew up in such environment the incorrect perception or mind set might be simply "normal" to you.

It is a simple process:
* Identify the problem --> Is race, culture, religion, self esteem problem? IMO it is
* Discuss the problem --> Why not? What's wrong with discussion, bringing facts and different points of view?
* Find causes of the problem --> Why not point out what causes the problem, why not address personal attitudes, mind sets,...?
* Find solutions --> If guys knew the solution, there would never be questions here asking eg. "How do I get white girl" at first place...

IMO sweep it under the rug, stop any discussion, not address any causes and just write "get over yoursel and fix it yourself" is not the best approach.

 

[Rusty]

We've already discussed how to get over this. I never said that you ignore this altogether.

Ultimately it comes down to each man coming to terms with his sticking points/ limiting beliefs.

You can't change your race, but you can make yourself better. If you fixate on the traits about yourself that are unchangeable (like your skin color/ or your height), you're just wasting your time. It doesn't help you mope or whine or bitch about fixed traits. You have to find other ways to grow or things you can change.

So what can you change? You can change your beliefs about those traits. Most men have limiting beliefs about their own race and culture. But is that an absolute truth? Are all "X" women unwilling to date or see "Y" men as unattractive? Of course not.

For example, just because you believe yourself that men of Indian, South Asian, South East Asian, etc. are not attractive to white women, it doesn't mean it's true. It's true for you maybe. In your own head. But you haven't approached every single hot white girl to find out whether this is true or not. And you don't have to. There's already evidence that proves white women do date men outside their race. I've seen all manner of men date beautiful white women.

There's no secret to getting white women. You just have to be more like the men that they go for. And sometimes that just won't be enough.

It's as if you're looking for some perfect solution that will give every man the ability to magically get inside a white woman's pants. The fact that so many men are treating white women as the holy grail is the problem in the first place.

We've already discussed how you can get these white women, and you guys are just trying to reinvent the wheel. Just shut the fuck up and take the advice and go meet them. The men that are actually getting these women are too busy actually meeting women in the real world instead of posting about how to get them.

 

[Drck]

Many things were discussed, chasing, fundamentals, texting, leading, "how to get this special girl", ... Yet there is guys who keep asking the same question over and over. So what now, are they going to refer them to the old topics, because all of it was already discussed in the past?

RACE is important topic, we live in multi-cultural environment, and one doesn't have to be racist or obsessed with race in order to discuss it. You guys don't want to talk about, well, don't talk about it then, I can't do anything about that. Keep telling everyone that race doesn't matter then, and if so - just get over it yourself...

 

[Estate]

Guys,

While I'm really trying not to get sucked into this debate I really truely only say this in the hope that one day you'll realize this...

The list of things a few posts ago about Asian culture and upbringing, is, I'm sure, perfectly valid. I can totally understand.... HOWEVER...
You could literally have been describing my own upbringing and I am from a totally different place and culture. And plenty guys from the US or other countries could all say the same. The point I'm trying to convey is that this is NOT a unique thing to you. The reason everyone is checking out of this thread is because there is no more discussion here. It's a list of excuses which you guys are looking for validation on.

If the question was posed as:
"I had a very strict upbringing and I need help to be more assertive now that I am an adult with the freedoms which comes along with it"
Then MANY guys here could identify with it and would be more willing to help.

But really all that's being repeated is:
"I believe MY situation is TOTALLY UNIQUE and nobody can understand how oppressed I am because of my race, therefore I either need a TOTALLY different strategy from ANYTHING that's thought on this site and has worked for EVERYONE ELSE or I need constant validation that the issue is NOT ME, it's the world around me because my situation is so unique".

At that point, we give up. There are no further answers and this is not the site to get that validation. I would suggest some of the other more mainstream manosphere or "red pill" forums to find more guys willing to sympathize with you without taking action.

I just really wish you guys would see what we all see in this thread and one day post a revelation of how great your lives have become after dropping the bitterness. The situation you describe, could literally be my own childhood. And that's before I even tack on the strict catholic influences, where sex is seen as wrong and sinful. In Ireland, they are still dealing with the revelations coming to light of the abuse suffered by so many in the Magdalene Laundries, where even up to relatively recent times, single mothers were sent to these work houses where they were abused because it was seen as shameful and they had to be hidden from their communities for fear of disgracing their families.

The answer is, either you can stand up and challenge those assumptions and teachings, embrace your freedom now as an adult and learn to push through the discomfort. Or well... I really don't know. Keep this conversation going to take no action. Nothing will change.

 

[Tim Iron]

there is a new article that talks about this issue https://www.girlschase.com/content/how-m ... e-infinite

A lot of you guys that are fixated on this race issue take white women as goddesses and that is the problem with you guys.