Time for me to take action: Guide me so I don't finish college a virgin

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I am going to give some updates on what has been happening with me in regards to women after this post but I want to use this post to reply to the comments on this thread.

1. Are you guys SURE smiling is the best way to go about this? I have read that women don't actually like guys that smile too much or something, that they find serious looking men attractive. I did smile at the really hot blonde btw but that made her look away. I've thought of just looking at them for a short amount of time to maintain eye contact (maybe 2 seconds) and then casually looking away. I want more information on this, preferably by different users to get it right because I am not really convinced that smiling is the best idea in this situation.

2. Fsc, you better not be making that shit up to encourage me. I do wonder sometimes how it would be like to see a guy who looks somewhat like me (a brown skinned arab, maybe even a pakistani or indian) with a good looking blonde (preferably an american too, the kind of girls you see out in starbucks wearing those yoga pants). I think about it at times, just one day meeting or seeing a blonde with knockout looks with a guy that happens to be brown (preferably arab or middle eastern but even an indian or pakistani would do). It's like the day I meet a younger (in their 20s) couple like that is the day my inner game will practically shoot right through the roof. It's funny too because I know an Indian guy who is dating this 8/10 brunette that looks a lot like Victoria Justice.

TBH, as much as you say that black guys score with blondes, in my area I haven't really seen any of the good looking blondes with black dudes. The ones I have seen with black guys are nothing to brag about in the looks department (no racist) but I did have a mixed race/light skin black friend who pulled a good looking one. Yet you say that in California, black guys probably do well.

Who knows, I might just need to take a trip out to a place like Los Angeles to see it for myself. At this point, even if I saw a brown skinned Mexican with decent looks who had a good looking blonde as his girlfriend or wife, that alone would probably boost my inner game. Celebrities don't count since well, their celebrities, but if I saw a blonde with knockout looks with any kind of a brown guy at this point then that alone will give me a massive inner game boost.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Also an update on my life.

The last few days have been pretty busy for me, mainly because I've had midterms and have one coming up Monday. That said, I did go out a couple nights ago and sat at a table full of college girls and some guys too. One girl I knew for sure was into me, it was this tall redhead (about 5'8) with a nice curvy body in those yoga pants. I've noticed that I do tend to do well with redheads/gingers of all of the white girls out there, maybe I need to be hitting on them a lot more because my friends say they are freaks in the bed.

There was a blonde at the table, sorority chick who came off as a major bimbo (smiling, rolling her eyes, laughing, etc.) who practically paid more attention to her female friends than any of the guys at the table. I didn't get much of a reception from her as the convo went on, ah well, my kryptonite as usual.

So far, I feel like I am limiting myself in terms of:

1. Not asking for numbers
2. Not trying to go anywhere with a girl other than casual conversation

I feel like now I have to go from being the guy who broke out of his long drought to actually taking risks. My worry is that being on a college campus, this could potentially hurt me as well. What I want to focus on after this point is taking that next step, going from just casually chatting with random girls to actually going for numbers, dates, and eventually losing the v card.

 

[Franco]

Altair,

Just wanted to comment quickly on this:

1. Are you guys SURE smiling is the best way to go about this? I have read that women don't actually like guys that smile too much or something, that they find serious looking men attractive. I did smile at the really hot blonde btw but that made her look away. I've thought of just looking at them for a short amount of time to maintain eye contact (maybe 2 seconds) and then casually looking away. I want more information on this, preferably by different users to get it right because I am not really convinced that smiling is the best idea in this situation.

It's JUST smiling, but it's about HOW you smile as well. Go to Google Images and search "Ian Somerhalder" for an idea of what a "sexy smile" looks like. He's great with the "slight smirk" that makes it look like he knows something that the viewer does not (which is inevitably mysterious and sexy to women).

- Franco

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Well if you guys say smiling is the way to go then I will go with that. Ian Solamander has a great looking face, low body fat, and highly appealing facial feature so it works for him. Will need to experiment on random girls that I am not too overly invested in.

It's been quite some time since I updated this, week has been hell with all of the midterms and papers due. Lets get some updates in here but before I do that I want to talk about some inner game issues.

Guys, I've been thinking why I feel the way I do towards white girls compared to other races of women. It's like I feel that women of other races like me and have a reason to try and be with me but white girls are the only ones that hate me. Now since I am in a southern town, the only real options for dating here are white girls and black girls (who I don't want anything to do with because I am not attracted to them at all). It's not only a matter of me hating the fact that most white girls don't want me or anything, it's just that I notice they're a lot more rude towards me than women of other races are.

Then I came to the conclusion that growing up, I never had any good experiences or interactions with white girls. I've been trying to think of exceptions but they haven't really come up. A lot has to do with the fact that I didn't really grow up around that many white people (lived in a shithole neighborhood with mostly immigrants) but even then the few white girls I ran into, I had bad experiences with. It's like even now as a guy in college, I am constantly stuck in the past and trying to get out of that past but whenever I run into an undesirable experience I keep having that past as a reference.

Now lately, this has somewhat started to change as I've talked to more girls and I swear I can see some girls who happen to be white and reasonably attractive give me IOIs. I feel like now, I've come to the point where I know that when all is said and done, it is my personality/confidence that is the problem.

Now lets get to the approaches.

1. I got out of class today and headed to a local cafe, decided to get my drink to go. Standing next to me at a crossing sign was this blonde who was completely invested in her cellphone, I swear that this is an issue with almost all girls in my age range this generation. So with no car coming, I decide to cross and she follows me. We just make it to the other side and just 2 seconds later a car speeds by behind us. Both of us look at each other and smile, I make a comment but the blonde just ignores me and keeps on walking. The bitch was a 6 as well so I don't even know how it got to me.

And again, I reference to my past. What is it with blonde women, like seriously. Almost all of the ones I know are rude and stuckup towards almost all guys. The entire experience left my head loaded with negative thoughts for an hour or so. It's like when I get brutally rejected by a blonde, it hurts me even more than when I rejected by any other kind of woman.

2. Happened yesterday, I was at a library studying and this one Asian-White mixed girl asked me to watch her stuff, she was wearing glasses to. I watch her stuff and then she comes back, smiling at me and thanking me. Unfortunately I had a midterm due not long from them so I could not think about mustering up the college to talk to her.

3. Sitting in class earlier today, I swear I keep seeing this brunette (above average looks for sure) giving me IOIs, she's fine as fuck too. Catch her looking at me, smiling, and all that. Too much of a pussy in class to make a move though.

4. Was eating at a restaurant today, accidentally spill my drink but this brunette helps me out and everything, she was sitting at a table with like 3 friends. I should have approached or tried to chat with her but I didn't.

For the problems with me right now:

1. Stressed about midterms and cannot manage to get the guts to go out and approach right now.

2. Missing out on opportunities, they present themselves and I do not capitalize.

3. Not going out and actively approaching, this will definitely change when midterms are done with (I have a lot of tough classes).

Well, that's it for now. Time for me to get going and keep at it. Need to keep working on getting in a better shape and improve on the outside things as well, style for example. Weather is gonna start to change soon where I am at so time to work on the winter style.

 

[fsc]

1. Are you guys SURE smiling is the best way to go about this? I have read that women don't actually like guys that smile too much or something, that they find serious looking men attractive. I did smile at the really hot blonde btw but that made her look away. I've thought of just looking at them for a short amount of time to maintain eye contact (maybe 2 seconds) and then casually looking away. I want more information on this, preferably by different users to get it right because I am not really convinced that smiling is the best idea in this situation.

Are you telling me that you haven't been smiling while you approached girls?
That's like telling me that you're going off to war without a gun. What the hell. Are you serious?
I can see how serious-looking men can appear attractive, but you gotta consider the context. Imagine you're a girl minding her business on the street:
1. A guy who's beaming with smiles comes up to you to tell you that you're cute. You'll probably think he's really social and friendly and sterile.
2. A guy who looks serious tells you you're cute. You might be a bit afraid and thinking "Uhh...okay...why is this guy so serious..? Is he planning to rape me or something...?"
3. A guy with a sexy smile tells you you're cute. You'd probably get all wet.
You can't come to a conclusion because 1 really hot blonde looked away when you smiled. When I failed to smile when I was starting off, about 8 out of 20 girls or so that I cold approached had a confused look on their faces when I opened them. After those 20 girls or so, I began working on my smile. Since then, like 95% of girls I approach at least smile and receive me at least neutrally. The other 4% don't smile or keep walking away, and the remaining 1% give me bad responses such as rolling her eyes. About 50% of girls get flattered, are beaming with smiles, and receive me really warmly, even if they eventually turn me down. About 5-10% get really excited. And these are all girls who are 8s and above, usually blondes, who I approached because I wanted to--they gave me no indicators of interest. And these percentages are for day game. My percentages are a lot lower for bars and parties, and I don't club game.

2. Fsc, you better not be making that shit up to encourage me.

You seem to have a real sour view of girls and people in general. I don't lie. The only person I lie to is my mom about my academic performance.

TBH, as much as you say that black guys score with blondes, in my area I haven't really seen any of the good looking blondes with black dudes. The ones I have seen with black guys are nothing to brag about in the looks department (no racist) but I did have a mixed race/light skin black friend who pulled a good looking one. Yet you say that in California, black guys probably do well.

I don't consciously make mental notes of this because I don't really give a shit and I really believe that it doesn't matter much, but when I spend a decent portion of my day out and about, I see a white girl with a black dude at least once it seems like. The black friend I day game with get at least two or so looks from white girls when we wander around. Alright, let's stop this racial talk. We're gonna enter that retarded, negative, pointless loop again.

Well if you guys say smiling is the way to go then I will go with that. Ian Solamander has a great looking face, low body fat, and highly appealing facial feature so it works for him. Will need to experiment on random girls that I am not too overly invested in.

Don't go testing smiling by smiling at random girls as you walk about. This won't give you much feedback, at least in my experience. Actually stop the girl, smile, and open her. I've given girls sexy eyes and smile as I walked about, but most girls keep looking straight and keep walking. So yeah, test smiling by actually opening.

I actually received one of my most brutal day game rejections two days ago by a blonde I consider a 10. NEVER give a passing-by compliment, especially when you get better. Actually stop them first, THEN deliver the compliment like a fucking man. So, I was walking around and this girl was walking toward me. I said out loud "I really like your cardigan", hoping that she'd stop, so I can open properly. She just kept walking with her face and eyes straight forward. How did I deal with it? I just smiled. Because it was funny. I got rejected. Life sucks from time to time, but a lot of shit in life is funny. Bad rejections are funny. A few people around me witnessed the whole thing and smiled with me. Why? It's funny to see someone get rejected. Then after the girl was out of earshot, I crouched into a fetal position right there, yelled out "SLUT!", then walked away laughing. I walked away a happy man because I entertained some people. Perhaps I inspired some men to be brave. Mainly, I walked away with a boost in confidence because I had the balls to tell a 10 blonde that she had nice cardigans, out loud, during the day, while there were other people around. Most guys, even in LA, don't have the balls to do what I do. So LOL. Life is good.

On a side note, my friend and I crouch into fetal position and yell out "SLUT!" whenever we fuck up real bad or if we get a harsh rejection.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Some things I wanted to point out myself.

I feel like the material on this thread is getting very PUA-esque in terms of advice even though there is good advice given on here. Good on OP for taking action but I wanted to point some things out that others might not have suggested to OP.

In my experience in the game, looks matter a lot. I don't necessarily mean facial features and proportions but I mean the part of looks you can control like fitness and style. If OP is aiming for the blonde bombshell types, I strongly suggest that he work on getting an athletic body. It is a common theme I have noticed with guys that get these girls, they're usually in a good physical shape. Then, they also dress the part as well. If they're going after sorority girls, they're in with the frat boys and dressed like the frat boys that get those girls. Looks matter, you have to put forth the best version of you when you approach these girls. After that, you can cold approach and have much better success with the kind of women you're going after.

Glasses? Switch it up to contact lenses, they might fly well with the goth girls and girls from more alternative scenes but the kind of women you seem to like absolutely hate anyone that looks even remotely geeky.

Clothes? Aim for something like this. I would guess that in the south, the frat boys go a little over the top and guess in all kinds of wild colors and bow ties but aim for something along these lines. IMO this clothing style is bogus but it is what seems to be big among a lot of the college girls that you are trying to describe.

As for the race part, it is a fact of life, just how things go.

The kind of women you're going after are some of the most shallow women on this planet. Most white guys do not get blonde bombshells, it is usually the Channing Tatum lookalikes that do. You have to accept that the kind of women you're going after are shallow and very judgmental but it is practically a number's game at this point. Quite a few will discriminate against you for looking foreign because they just don't like guys that look different but if you keep at it, talk to as many as possible, and keep on pushing then eventually you'll start to see some success. Yes, race matters, with quite a few women from this type of demographic it can practically be a dealbreaker but keep on approaching as many as you can and put yourself in contact with a lot of them, the success will eventually come.

 

[Smith]

Just wanna add one more thing on smiling. Yes, a little smile goes a long way, but watch the difference between a psycho smile with cold eye contact and a sexy smile with a warm eye contact. I would say eye contact is actually more important than a smile, since it subcommunicates your intent and a lot of things when you're looking deeply at someone else's eyes.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

The suggestion about style and getting in shape is a good one proactivity, it has been a goal I've been working on to get in the best shape possible and obtain an athletic body. Luckily it isn't like I just started either, I been at it for months so by the end of the year the results should start coming in.

Right now, rather than talking to you guys about my interactions this week which were very few in number due to midterms, I am going to talk to you guys about what I think might be my biggest problem. That one thing which is keeping me a kissless virgin. Going to once again offer my history for anyone that might not know but this time around I am keeping it short and sweet.

Due to the way I was raised and not really allowed to grow, I feel like it messed me up confidence wise. I guess helicopter/strict parenting will do that to you along with not having many cool friends to grow up around.

It's like growing up with strict parents, being around a lot of ugly/undesirable girls (trailer park girls, girls from the projects, etc.) made me not even care about going after women during my high school/adolescence years. When I hit college, I actually started to feel attracted to girls but at that point I was playing catch up. As college progressed, I started getting chances with girls who were objectively above average looking but it's like I kept on doing things wrong. Sometimes I almost feel like I screwed myself up royally with some women who were above average looking (I mean 7s and 8s).

So I thought back to it and looked at what's been fucking me up and I made a list.


1. I was a very negative person to be around. Since I had an unideal upbringing, I felt the need to share that with some girls. It's like rather than treating those girls as girls, I treated them as my psychiatrist early on and that had some girls who were interested in me turned off. Fortunately I have fixed this in the past year to where it is a non-issue.

2. I feel like I am being judged BY EVERYONE when I interact with women. Guess it has to do with the fact that I had overbearing parents and the people in the town I grew up in were very "in your business" types. I remember talking to this girl back in high school that happened to be white and next thing I know there gossip about it among people that knew me and my parents. Before I know it, my parents are there to make my life hell and make me feel guilty for wanting to talk to girls, that made me LOVE SHY.


That I think might be the issue that is keeping me a virgin, for some reason I feel love shy. I have cold approached girls but I can't seem to get intimate with them as much because I had no experience with it growing up. It's almost like I feel guilty for touching girls I might have just met and moving forward with them. I never had anyone really show me the way in terms of going from meeting a girl to taking her to bed or even going for the kiss, or when to go for it.

I feel hopeless. I am a kissless 21 year old virgin and I feel hopeless because I get this feeling that I am so far behind in the game. That and I seem to get this notion that whenever I approach a cute girl, all eyes are on me.

Well, now that I know the issues, how do I resolve them?

 

[Estate]

Well, now that I know the issues, how do I resolve them?

Altair, you just DO IT! YOU ARE NOT DIFFERENT TO ANYONE ELSE HERE!

I grew up in a strict Catholic family. I could say ALL the same things about my parents, a strict sheltered upbringing and what it means for how I turned out.
But is it that... or would I just be blaming them when my own life as an adult is in my control?
EVERYONE here has had something in their life which brought them here seeking the answers... and all the answers are there in black and white in Chase's article. You are not special or different or a special snowflake that needs a whole different set of rules to succeed.

Dude, we're god knows how many weeks into this thread now because a number of guys on this board were really encouraged to see you had hit that point where you were just growing to grow a thicker skin and go get it, when you first posted.

Each post is worded like an "epiphany" from you but it's the same questions you've been asking and guys here have been answering you on for MONTHS.
The only answers to your questions are to re-read ALL the other threads where you posted the EXACT same questions over and over and absorb some of the GREAT advice guys here have given you... and then get over yourself.

You've mentioned a few approached here now but mostly it's been posts saying "I'm busy, I'll do it later, lots of work this week for did no approaches, I'll do more NEXT week, I'll do stuff LATER".

You know what your problem is man? You are SO self-obsessed, the whole world is about you! Like, the guys generous enough to stick with you in this thread have been VERY patient, offering their time and great advice and you don't take ANY of it. You come back with the same problems and have taken no action day after day. I was expecting this to be like a Log of everything you did each day for guys to critique and help with... yet that is barely to be found in this thread.

I think you're obsessed with this. That's why it's not working.

 

[ray_zorse]

Altair I think it would also be a good idea for you to start approaching black and latina and Asian/other chicks because you absolutely need some positive reference experiences and it sounds like this would be lower pressure for u. See Chase's article "why you should absolutely be having sex"... I mean who cares if you lose your virginity to a black chick, you can always build up from there (and no disrespect intended, just trying to put it in your framework, I dig black chicks more than white, my first proper girlfriend was Papua New Guinean and ohh, soo sensual, best memories)... unfortunately there are hardly any black people around here although I did hit on one who number flaked, and this brings me to my second point: Living in the South there are a lot of ancient racial undertones, and stereotypes from what I can gather (I have never been there but I read extensively)... so I was gonna suggest if you are really not making progress with your racial issue then why not arrange to go somewhere that black is a novelty, I can tell u chicks would really dig u here, no jokes man!!!! Can u get in an exchange programme through your course? I'm in Australia but UK or anywhere in Europe would work.
cheers, Ray

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I am not touching a black or asian chick, just what it is, not happening. Been around too many of them and the validation I get from them does nothing for me, I am not attracted to them and not going for girls I have no interest in. I want to lose my virginity preferably to a white chick but latina, arab, mixed, and light skin indian would do. Awful suggestion anyways because I am only going to approach white girls and maybe a hot latina here and there. It frustrates me that black girls and darker indian girls throw themselves at me but white girls are total fucking cunts >:/

Its so frustrating, black girls practically throw themselves at me and beg me to spend time with them but I have no attraction to them whatsoever, hardly any damn latinas and middle eastern women here, and the white girls are so fucking stuck up down in this shitty hellhole. Once I finally get this and fuck a white girl I will try to fuck at least a 100 different ones to just get over this.

And I am arab, not black.

Now on to the question at hand, I think my problem being love shyness is a new idea Estate. It is about me legitimately being love shy and not being able to escalate around women because of that. I know my old threads have been about me whining but that idea was different based on what I have been through due to my approaches and me not taking that next step. Midterms are also tough bro, chill!

Also, interactions from past few days coming.

 

[Estate]

Altair.
You can keep re bundling it under a few term every week but it comes back to the same issue. You're upbringing was conservative and you're just shy and lacking the social experience to really start killing it yet. I can totally identify. Mine was a Catholic upbringing. My parents were strict. I worked hard at school as was told that's all you need and the rest would fall into place. In my 20s I had to choose another path as that passive approach was not working and marrying up the first girl I met may be the ideal in my parents time but no longer.

At the end of the day you only gain this experience by DOING. My first adventure was to up and backpack Europe for a month years ago. My parents were horrified at all the trouble I could wind up in but I did it and it was my first experience having to fend for myself. Ask people questions, etc.

I think you're looking to bed the top tier of women without even making progress of being more astute in social situations. It will never work.

I have my own standards. I love to date those women too.. but every lay I've had over time hasn't been a rock solid 10. And anyone here who says their story is different would be lying to you. You have to gain the experience. You won't talk to black or Latino women because you won't sleep with them but you're not even gaining the experience of just going and attracting women... any women. You don't have to sleep with them. Getting a number in the beginning is hard enough let alone closing the deal. Baby steps.

The whole this is... we're being really supportive of this thread because it says you're taking action. Go take it! If love shyness is the issue then you can only overcome it by being determined. Meet women. Go on dates. Each time force yourself to push it a tiny bit further. The first time might be awkward. But you now have a reference point and adjust next time. There's no other solution


We can give pointers if we heard some details but without hearing details of more approaches we can help anything but just tell you to go and TRY.

I know mid terms are a killer. But life will never change. Wait until you have a career and other things... mid terms will seem like a breeze. You've got to get out there and just make time for it.

Don't let this consume you. You won't find solid 10s walking all over town. Try starting conversation with everyone everywhere.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Estate, not really. I even said somewhere in this thread that I am not going after sorority girls (because the hottest girls in my school are in sororities) but I am not going to walk up to a black or asian chick and ask her for her number and all that because I do not plan on going anywhere with them, it's a waste of time. Also, I am friends with some of them and I notice that quite a few black girls aggressively approach me and sometimes get all touchy feeling if I show them even a bit of attention. I am just not attracted to them at all and want nothing to do with a black, asian, or indian chick. Might be friends with a few but I am not attracted to them.

I am just frustrated right now I guess.

I am not aiming for the hottest and top tier white girls either, ideally I would think that maybe I find a latina or middle eastern chick in my area and try to go somewhere with them but we hardly have any there. My only option are white girls and I am not aiming for the 8s, 9s, and 10s.

I just do not know how to go the next step. The few white girls I've had interested in me I failed to really escalate with. The times in the past I have tried to escalate with a girl I embarrassed myself.

Right now I can: 1. Talk to girls, 2. Get their #

but after that I am lost on where to go. I've tried to ask girls on dates after getting their number but it went nowhere as they all said they were busy which means that maybe they didn't have interest in me when I first talked to them. I read Chase's posts on how to text girls and saw some shortcomings with my own texts but I am wondering if that was it right there, was my text game off or did they not even have interest when I first talked to them.

 

[ray_zorse]

hey dude do at least read the article, here, I've located it for you:
https://www.girlschase.com/content/you-really-should-be-having-sex
sending u this link was a total pain in the arse cos I am writing on my phone (or I would have sent it before). so you at least owe me to read it with an open mind. and if indeed black chicks are throwing themselves at you, you're golden
seriously man, Chase has never been wrong to my knowledge. take advantage of his superior wisdom, its why u are here.

to strengthen this with a bit of personal flavour... I didnt even join GC till a few months back... whereas you've been a member since March... we have similar post count, and I haven't been able to post a lay yet either but the difference is I am taking massive action, have racked up hundreds of approaches even though I am still in my comfort zone a bit and only approach hb8 or hb9 occasionally when thoroughly warmed up. I have frequently asked for advice on this forum and then implemented that advice within days and reported back. This makes people want to help me, including Chase and Franco on multiple occasions and I feel great about this, though I wouldn't want to be needy and I accept that they help sparingly on order to give me space to learn off my own bat.

And who do I approach? well, had a 40ish chick in my bed for the night although she wouldn't fuck on a first date and she was a boring workaholic. have twice tried to fuck a terribly obese chick, see my fr. the other day in the gym I approached 2 more late 30s/early 40s women who turned out to be really nice even if one was married with kids, the other one might be down. heck, after I spoke to her I even approached a guy who was working out near us. this was all just for conversation practice and to whittle away at approach anxiety. see, the whole "she's not hot enough to approach" syndrome is really just approach anxiety in disguise. so lower your standards man. nuff said.

I apologize for the mistake on your race. Race is always a sensitive topic. But hey Arab guys are killin' it here too. My point remains which is that unlike the other guys here I'm not dismissing your concerns out of hand, they could have a genuine basis considering where you live. So if that's the case then find a solution man, think outside the box

cheers, Ray

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

A different suggestion

I have relatives in the bible belt and been there myself, I am somewhat familiar with how things work there so I thought I'd offer some suggestions and give some background. OP, the black girls you have coming on strong to you are doing it because many of them see men of non-black backgrounds as some kind of a golden ticket. I've known asian guys there that went through the same thing and it gets irritating. As a white guy myself, I've experienced the same thing myself. Not saying black girls everywhere are like this but it is like this in the bible belt. Now that I've given some background on OP's situation, I want to offer some suggestions that I think OP would benefit from.

1. Invest. Invest this time in getting that athletic body, improving your mindset, finding hobbies, and just expanding. Build yourself to be better every day, definitely hit the gym to get that athletic body as it will pay off and at the same time read up on stuff like style and how to look your best. A lot of your time should be going into making the best of your looks, style, career/grades, and becoming comfortable talking to women.

2. I would stick with chatting up strangers but keep it casual, do not try to go for number closes or KINO. People in that region of the country are just a bit Conservative about matters like sleeping around casually, even the white guys I know who've been there had a somewhat difficult time adjusting to how things go there. In places like the small towns and college towns, word gets around quick of players and seducers and not only do you have to deal with the women there hating you for it but so will a lot of the older people and angry guys who aren't too big on outsiders coming in and sleeping with their women. What flies in California or New York would not fly in the bibe belt.

3. Expand your social circle, get involved and meet people. You're not going to get same night lays often in that part of the country unless you're in a major city so get to know women. All the women you're talking to, keep at it. If you're in a college town then you will likely see them again anyways but just get comfortable talking to women to where it becomes almost a habit. Sometimes the girls working at the coffee shops and restaurants could use some company, chat them up and ask them about the restaurant and the city. Don't try to be too flirty but just chat with them about something related to their jobs.

Also, as for the above article, I can agree with OP's stance. He isn't going after cheerleaders and sorority girls and eventually he'll find a decent looking white girl that is receptive. I never lowered my standards starting out, like most guys, I don't like black women too much either and I have had plenty come on to me aggressively as well (many guys I know have). OP, just stick with it and wait until you find a receptive white girl. I mean its not like OP Is going exclusively for blonde bombshells or Meagan Fox lookalikes.

 

[PrettyDecent]

Thought there was a chance for you, Altair. Thought you'd cut the inner game BS, and start recording your approaches so we could help you achieve your dreams.

Guess you just don't have what it takes to be a man and take charge of your life.

~Nick

 

[Mr.Rob]

Why not fuck a fattie? She can be a blonde white fat girl you know? Like fuck it dude, why not? No one will know. You can even lie to us and tell us it was a HB9.5 and we'll be happy for you either way .

Joking a bit, but at the same time man if you're going to be butt hurt about being a virgin you can't really have such high standards.

I lost my virginity to a some white trailer trash whore that threw herself at me. She was a 4 or less on the rating scale. I wasn't attracted to her, but let me tell you Altair I fucked the shit out of that ugly girl and surprisingly enough when I turned the lights off and didn't look at her face it was actually enjoyable! Lol We were even friends afterwards and it was cool... I just didn't go out in public with her lol.

Don't let your ego keep you from getting laid.

On another tangent as a side note do you believe that if you were to have sex with a hott hott bombshell white blonde girl you'd be happy and all your hopelessness/depression would be cured?

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I never got the whole having to fuck a 3 or 4 to lose your virginity, if you're going to lose it then at least lose it to a girl that is somewhat decent looking. Don't focus so much on her clique but at least go for a girl that is decent looking. OP isn't aiming exclusively for sorority girls or models so I don't see why everyone is saying he has high standards. I lost my virginity at 16 and I can proudly say the girl I fucked was fuckable and above average looking, she was emo but I don't care as much for that. Instead of caring for clique and personality, just focus on the looks alone and go for girls that give you somewhat of a boner. OP doesn't want to fuck black and asian girls, I don't fault him for that as I am not into black girls myself (neither are most guys I've talked to), but I think he can benefit a lot from knowing what kind of white girls to go for if he wants to lose his virginity.

We need to tell OP his niche, I think he'll be best off going for white girls who are foreign exchange students, gamer/nerd types, and those who have a lot of friends of minority groups. I think as long as OP stays away from sorority girls and cheerleaders (at least starting out), he'll be okay. If he finds some arab, latina, or any girl that looks racially ambiguous then I think he needs to take that chance too.

Not sure how many here would agree with me but if OP can get somewhat of a hard on from a girl and she interests him, he should take a chance. I see no point in having to lower your standards so much to where you lose your virginity to a girl you would be embarrassed to tell your friends about. Most guys with any bit of self-respect would not do that. If she looks good and can get you hard, then fuck her regardless of clique or social class. Fucking some fat and ugly chick would just make it worse for some guys when they look back at it and its not like you get to lose your virginity twice. There is just something to losing it for the first time.

Don't worry about her social class or what type of group she is in, just worry if she can get you hard and you can fuck her.

 

[fsc]

Try starting conversation with everyone everywhere.

Yes. The quickest way to improve your social skills is to talk to as many people as you can (including males, females, and everything in between). Altair, if you eventually want to land the top tier girls, you're gonna want to develop the social skills, experience, and grace necessary to be placed near their level first. At your stage in seduction--especially concerning the absolute shit quality of your inner game--you really do not want to be restricting yourself to one subset of girls. What you need is positive momentum--a snowball effect of positive results with women--so start small with any random stranger, then build up to girls who show interest in you regardless of race, then eventually move onto girls who YOU are attracted to. But like I said, you need to improve yourself first. The chances of you landing a girl of your ideals is slim to none if you're approaching with the bullshit poisonous belief of "I want blonde bitches but blonde bitches are bitches to me and my life sucks because of my upbringing and I am frustrated kissless virgin in college and my life sucks and blondes are cunts".

I am not going to walk up to a black or asian chick and ask her for her number and all that because I do not plan on going anywhere with them, it's a waste of time.

You and I share a similar mentality here. I will never pick up a girl I'm not attracted to either because I prolly wouldn't sleep with her and it could be a waste of time. We all have standards. However, I will definitely strike up conversations with them. Instead of talking to everyone though, I try to find a conversation opener that's relevant to the situation or unique to him/her, and I open when I can find a decent opener. Look, you don't have to have romantic/sexual intentions with every girl you talk to.

Let me get into some more details why you should also talk to girls you're not attracted to:

The "top tier" guys are warm to everyone. The most attractive and sought-after guys are those who are clearly at the top, but they are still down to earth, warm, caring, open, and understanding with people who social ladder climbers will consider to be "bottom tier". Think about it. Suppose you have two girls. Both are your dream girls in every aspect except for the fact that one thinks of herself as high and almighty and only chooses to interact with "top house" frat boys, while the other girl is genuinely warm to everyone, plays video games with the nerds, and gracefully and tactfully turns down romantic advances from guys she isn't interested in. Who do you find more attractive?
The answer is easy. So be the guy who smiles all the time and radiates warmth, but then becomes the irresistible sexy man with the girls who he wants to bed.

Another thing you'll notice with the first girl in the example above is that she gives off a negative vibe...the "bitchy cold cunt" vibe that you always talk about. That just automatically makes you NOT want to talk to her, even if she starts the convo herself. So think about this in your situation. If you're walking around thinking "NOPE, I'm not talking to her because she's Asian/black" or whatever, then YOU are giving off that "bitchy cold asshole" vibe, and not many girls will want to talk to you or entertain your approaches. So like I said, smile and be warm to everyone.

You prolly get the most preselection if you're surrounded by beautiful girls, but I believe that you still present a great image if you're chatting up the not-so-beautiful girls as well--ESPECIALLY if you have solid fundamentals. Take a moment and visualize this as well. Imagine yourself in a woman's shoes: You're bombarded 24/7 regarding being an attractive girl by images of models, celebs in the media, magazine articles, and other girls. There are just so many hot girls out there with face, tits, ass, slim waists, and thigh gaps that you're competing with that you become insecure and unsure about your own beauty. It's tough. Then you see this guy...SOLID fundamentals and everything...but wait, he's talking to some of the ugliest and fattest girls you've ever seen! You think to yourself, "Wow! How approachable and warm is this guy?! And I KNOW I can out-compete those girls for him!" Then he notices you. He locks eyes with you and his friendly smile slowly fades into a sexy smile. Then he gracefully excuses himself from the girls, walks up to you, and says "Hey, I was in a middle of a conversation back there, but you caught my eye and I had to come tell you that you are gorgeous. I'm Altair, what's your name?" You'd fucking melt. Right? Be that guy.

Another reason why you shouldn't refrain from talking to unattractive girls is momentum. This is actually a biggie. Only a few guys can approach a super hot girl straight out of bed or work and expect things to go silky smooth. Just a couple of months ago, my mentality was very similar to yours. At parties or when I was out day gaming, I would refrain from approaching many girls because I'd be like "Nah, she's not an 8 or above. I'm not approaching. I'll open the next 8 or above I see", then when the opportunity came, I was too socially dead to even start walking toward her.

The last reason is social experience. You keep saying you have no trouble talking to women, so I'll just take your word for it, but you can still learn a lot and practice escalating with the other girls who show interest in you.

The few white girls I've had interested in me I failed to really escalate with. The times in the past I have tried to escalate with a girl I embarrassed myself.

This is why you need more experience overall. Stop restricting yourself. It's detrimental.

Chase has never been wrong to my knowledge

YES. When I do well, it's because of the knowledge I gained from the articles and forum posts; when I fail, I can pinpoint the causes to the specific articles. GirlsChase is GOLDEN.

I have frequently asked for advice on this forum and then implemented that advice within days and reported back

Altair, this is exactly what you need to do. This is the same bullshit cycle that we find ourselves in repeatedly.
We tell you to do A because blah blah -> then you say "No I'm B because bullshit bullshit" -> then you're like "fuck damn it I hate my life" ->

I feel hopeless. I am a kissless 21 year old virgin and I feel hopeless because I get this feeling that I am so far behind in the game.

You said this and shit about "helicopter" parents like 568491y5481 times already so STFU already.

I feel like I am being judged BY EVERYONE when I interact with women.

At the end of the day, WHO THE FUCK CARES? As long as you're doing legitimately good approaches, YOU ARE FINE.
This is how I tackle problems: Do I fear X? If yes, then go do something twice as worse as X. If things go sour, laugh it off. For example, I feared talking to hot girls. Now, I only approach girls I find attractive, so 8s and above. And like I said, I still interact with girls I don't find attractive. I just make sure it doesn't go anywhere unless I end up getting horny. So you fear what other people think? Do things that people will think weirdly of you for. For example, I mentioned in an earlier post that I squat into a fetal position and yell "SLUT!" when I get rejected. So do that. Then you'll realize that it's not a big deal. Then you'll eventually develop the devil may care attitude, and you will KNOW that rather than people judging you, people will see you and envy you.

You are taking action, but you're limiting yourself and not getting the most out of it. You are being stubborn as fuck, and I'm starting to think more and more like Nick in his latest response.

Instead of posting "I am this" or "I am not this" bullshit, post more of things like "I did this and it went well. Is there anything I could've done better?" or "I did this and this happened. How do I avoid that? What can I do better next time? How do I make this and this happen?"

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I think by knowing Altair's past and having him work on his inner game, we can help him finally overcome this mental hurdle of his. The best thing to do is to have a now mentality, what might have happened happened but live in the given moment.

Instead of approaching women and trying to have sex in mind, I think you should also talk to guys just to be social. Strike up a conversation with some random guy standing next to you in line that seems to be friendly, just let your social nature open up. Sometimes when I go out to bars, I get there early and chat with the bartender and in the long run this gives me pre-selection and social proof that I need with women. Talk to girls that seem friendly too but don't do it with the intention of getting a number or getting laid. Make socializing a skill that you can improve consistently overtime, I feel like your social isolation and time wasted alone might have made you socially awkward. Continue on the path you're on now, don't get discouraged, and keep socializing when you get the chance.

On top of that, BUILD!

Build your body and build yourself, get a better social circle of cool friends, and consistently socialize with good people. Get involved, get a job at a place that attracts a lot of students, and be out of your house often.

1. Look your best (get that athletic body, eat well, and go out dressing like you are about to meet the love of your life)

2. Socialize often whether it is with guys, girls, old people, young people, etc.

Give this thread a read too. it is one of the best threads on the Lifestyle section IMO.

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