What Are the Best Tips & Strategies for Autistic Men?

[Chase]

Hey fellas,

Some years back I wrote a piece on the mind blindness problem of autism and how it makes dating difficult for autistic men, and how it makes them so very difficult to work with as a coach or advisor:

Why Autistic People Struggle with Dating: Mind Blindness

Men with Asperger’s struggle with “social confusion.” Others often behave in ways that seem irrational to them. Why is this so, and is there anything they can do? I write this article for every guy on the autism spectrum, whether he's on it a little or on it a lot.

www.girlschase.com

Some guys read it and said they found it very helpful. But a not insignificant number of guys read it and said it depressed them or was not helpful at all. Which totally was not the effect I wanted to have (something I find myself saying often when talking to autistic men -- "Yeah, sorry dude, that wasn't the intended effect at all").

I figured I'd throw this one out to the forum. Are there any guys on here who feel like they can talk (from experience -- either being autistic themselves and making serious gains in their social/romantic lives OR from aiding/coaching autistic guys to substantial improvements) intelligently about steps autistic men can take to do better at dating or socializing in general?

I'd love to be able to add a link to the end of that post to somewhere guys can go for more actionable advice.

Girls Chase in general tends to be attractive to autistic guys, since I go to such lengths to break things down, but often in the breakdowns I am nevertheless unable to convey the social subtexts in a way that autistic men are able to grasp.

Chase

 

[ulrich]

Hey @Chase

So for contextI got this curious situation… I am not sure but I believe I have or I had high-functioning Asperger syndrome when I was younger.

I do recall having “socially weird” ways of thinking and struggling understanding simple social concepts
It got much better by my senior years of university.

At some point in my late 20s, I took an online quiz and scored borderline Asperger and also positive for Asperger when I answered as I would have done when I was in my early 20s.
I doubt I would get any autistic score nowadays… so take my advice with a grain of salt.

Some of the things I realized about my old ways of thinking that helped me fit better socially:

+ Listen to my instincts
I recall reading an article of yours where you say most guys who do bad with women have a natural instinct that they are not listening.
That’s spot on.
Always when I used to say and do all my weird autistic things, I had a small almost silent part of my brain telling me that was a bad idea but I couldn’t tell why so I went forward with what “was logical” and “made sense”.

In other words, I was overusing a part of my brain (logical) that up to that point in my life had been heavily reinforced by my academic results.
That logical part was overtrained and overused.


+ Cut the umbilical cord
I made leaps of progress socially in the situations when I removed myself from my reinforcing environments.
Living along as a exchange student at 21, moving to other city at 25 made wonders for my social skills.

Pretty much like learning a language… if you take a dive and put yourself in a situation where you need to skill to survive, you make huge advancements.

+ Force yourself to explain social situations from a lens of empathy
Sometimes as an autistic you do “the right things” yet people lash at you illogically, at least from your perspective.

Instead of getting angry yourself and resort to dismiss them as “dumb” or “illogical”… force yourself to see the situation from the eyes of the other person.
They may be in the “wrong” logically but you may have put them in an uncomfortable situation without meaning to.
Think of how the situation affects their status and reputations.

Realize most people do not have the same standard for “truth” as you do… they are insecure and they tend to protect their position in the group/society as they need it to succeed in life.



Hopefully this helps you kick starts your article and helps some of our autist readers to open up too.

 

[Warped Mindless]

Back when I was a dating coach I actually would not accept clients on the spectrum.

The truth is hard for people to accept but if a person is legit on the spectrum they are very unlikely to ever get good at pick up.

I always he these stories of some mythical dude who is autistic and sucked with women until they did like a billion approaches and then somehow starts having “success” but then when you ask then what “success” looks like it’s almost never actually getting laid. Improvements? Yes. Getting legit laid? No.

Then people like to point to Tyler D/Owen and say “well he’s on the spectrum!” No he’s not. Yeah he may tell you that as a marketing tactic but I can personally assure everyone that he is not.

If there is some way to magically make aspie men good at cold approach pick up I would love to know it because there is a lot of those guys out there who could benefit from it.

 

[Rakehell]

I’m not on the spectrum myself but I did wonder at one point. There’s a good amount of overlap in terms of impaired empathy in people with autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders. Aspd aka sociopaths/psychopaths especially.

The difference is:

People with aspd tend to know but not care, people with asd tend to not know but do care.

Cognitive vs affective empathy

There’s some similarity in Affect (nonverbal response) too, when it comes to emoting on the listening end of a conversation.

Nonverbally someone who does know and doesn’t care is no different than someone who doesn’t know but does. (When they’re expressing their raw unfiltered self and the autistic person isn’t overstimulated or triggered). And they’re both low functioning.

A gross oversimplification, but it boils down to knowing where you fall on the “spectrum”, the things you do that make others uncomfortable, and learning how to “mask” these, at least when around other people.

Masking is a notoriously taxing thing although. I’d compare it to being somewhere or around someone you’d rather not. But having to “act” like you want to be. The longer you have to do it the more uncomfortable/irritated/ready to go you are, and your real feelings start spilling out. It involves suppressing your natural urges and replacing them with socially acceptable ones.

Behaviorally there may be alot of things for an autistic person to mask, depending on how far off the deep end they are, but also depending on their goals it may be necessary. Especially to pass as “normal” from a “normal persons” pov.

TLDR

From my own socially unconventional perspective, it’d benefit them to learn in what ways they’re effected by their disorder, and work on solutions to hide, not get rid of, them for short periods of time.

In a nutshell really making an effort to figure out what exactly masking involves and learning how to in their own way depending on what makes them “different”.

In terms of quirks you pointed out some in your article, i’d also have those who do look into “stimming” behaviors for regulating anxiety and their tendency to be argumentative /inability to allow other perspectives.

Also blunted affect when it comes to nonverbal expression, and sensory sensitivity. Those are the most obvious to me when it comes to dealing with these types, and tend to put other people off out the gate. This would be a good example of stuff you’d need to learn to repress.

 

[King]

I’m not on the spectrum myself but I did wonder at one point. There’s a good amount of overlap in terms of impaired empathy in people with autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders. Aspd aka sociopaths/psychopaths especially.

The difference is:

People with aspd tend to know but not care, people with asd tend to not know but do care.

Cognitive vs affective empathy

There’s some similarity in Affect (nonverbal response) too, when it comes to emoting on the listening end of a conversation.

Nonverbally someone who does know and doesn’t care is no different than someone who doesn’t know but does. (When they’re expressing their raw unfiltered self and the autistic person isn’t overstimulated or triggered). And they’re both low functioning.

A gross oversimplification, but it boils down to knowing where you fall on the “spectrum”, the things you do that make others uncomfortable, and learning how to “mask” these, at least when around other people.

Masking is a notoriously taxing thing although. I’d compare it to being somewhere or around someone you’d rather not. But having to “act” like you want to be. The longer you have to do it the more uncomfortable/irritated/ready to go you are, and your real feelings start spilling out. It involves suppressing your natural urges and replacing them with socially acceptable ones.

Behaviorally there may be alot of things for an autistic person to mask, depending on how far off the deep end they are, but also depending on their goals it may be necessary. Especially to pass as “normal” from a “normal persons” pov.

TLDR

From my own socially unconventional perspective, it’d benefit them to learn in what ways they’re effected by their disorder, and work on solutions to hide, not get rid of, them for short periods of time.

In a nutshell really making an effort to figure out what exactly masking involves and learning how to in their own way depending on what makes them “different”.

In terms of quirks you pointed out some in your article, i’d also have those who do look into “stimming” behaviors for regulating anxiety and their tendency to be argumentative /inability to allow other perspectives.

Also blunted affect when it comes to nonverbal expression, and sensory sensitivity. Those are the most obvious to me when it comes to dealing with these types, and tend to put other people off out the gate. This would be a good example of stuff you’d need to learn to repress.

Yoo Rake I gotta ask you bro, are you taking psychology in uni right now?

You always sound well - studied in psychology.. rmbr when you were talking about the DSVM that one time.

 

[Rakehell]

Yoo Rake I gotta ask you bro, are you taking psychology in uni right now?

You always sound well - studied in psychology.. rmbr when you were talking about the DSVM that one time.

Just a hobby I don’t have a phd or anything so take it with a shovel of salt.

Mostly a product of me being interested in how people work and figuring my own situation out.

But I appreciate the compliment.

 

[ulrich]

@Rakehell, @Chase since you have a deeper knowledge of the research in autism… I wonder, is autism an in capability to feel empathy or a lack of skill?

I wonder if it is more a physiological symptom of an atrophied brain zone (one that is underdeveloped or eclipsed by other overactive zones) than an actual disability to identify social cues.

Just wondering because, if it’s more akin to an atrophied muscle, it means it can be eventually trained.

 

[Chase]

Nice replies here, @ulrich & @Rakehell.

Back when I was a dating coach I actually would not accept clients on the spectrum.

The truth is hard for people to accept but if a person is legit on the spectrum they are very unlikely to ever get good at pick up.

I always he these stories of some mythical dude who is autistic and sucked with women until they did like a billion approaches and then somehow starts having “success” but then when you ask then what “success” looks like it’s almost never actually getting laid. Improvements? Yes. Getting legit laid? No.

@Warped Mindless, I've seen numerous guys on the spectrum over the years who do get laid. @Tank (formerly Nowhere) being one guy you probably are familiar with. There was a guy on here whose handle was something like "The Byronic Man" if I'm remembering right and not mixing him up with someone else. I knew a guy on a private seduction forum who'd been on various forums with any number of big name PUAs and met up with and been advised by tons of them.

These guys get laid*, but there's always an asterisk. Typically they need tons of volume. @Tank spent decades complaining about his abysmal approach-to-lay ratio. Another autistic guy I talked to in San Diego claimed 17 lays off 5,000 day game approaches.

The guy I knew from private forums was better; he calculated it took him about 150-200 approaches to get a lay on average, and 500 approaches to get a new girlfriend. He was a guy who came across like a nice, sociable guy in-person and a lot of PUA coaches who met him would tell him they could see nothing wrong with him and he was better at opening and hooking than almost any guy they knew. He (like @Tank, who I recall went through a "master opening" phase of I think several years) was really ace at the earlier parts of pickup but his skill progressively broke down as things got farther along. He could still close girls, but he missed a lot of windows and would make some pretty elementary mistakes (but mistakes you had to be in-tune with the woman to avoid making).

IME autistic guys getting laid regular-ish-ly unfailingly complain that:

1. They have to make far too many approaches to get a lay,
   
   
2. They are constantly frustrated by girls telling them they don't feel any chemistry,
   
   
3. They have big problems retaining girlfriends (though from my reviewing the relationships of the private forum guy, it is obvious that he spent months misreading the signals his girlfriends would be sending them, would misinterpret them wanting to progress the relationship with them wanting out, then would push them away or break up, claiming that they apparently had never been serious about him from the start. I felt bad for the girls. He was just completely blind to what they were saying to him in womanese and no amount of coaching could fix it. He also refused to believe he was misreading any signals),
   
   
4. They are unsatisfied with the quality of girl they get. e.g., Tank would complain he could reliably bang 6s and 7s, and occasionally an 8 but he couldn't hang onto the 8s. Really hot girls were out of reach for him. The guy I knew from private forums complained that he had never really clicked with any of the women he'd dated in his 20 years of dating history.

That combination -- inefficiency, lack of chemistry, retention problems, and insufficient girl quality -- are to me the quadrumvirate of sticky autistic seducer problems.

I'm not sure they're solvable; as far as I can tell this is probably maxed out autistic guy game. An autistic guy who can pull 10+ lays off cold approach is probably near the top of the charts for autistic guys in terms of cold approach. Tank and the private forum guy were both at over 50 lays. They just had to put in heaps and heaps and heaps of obsessively repetitive daily approaching for decades to get there (I think Tank switched over to online eventually IIRC).

But being able to help more autistic guys at least achieve that would probably be a boon for autistic seduction students.

Chase

 

[Chase]

@ulrich,

@Rakehell, @Chase since you have a deeper knowledge of the research in autism… I wonder, is autism an in capability to feel empathy or a lack of skill?

I wonder if it is more a physiological symptom of an atrophied brain zone (one that is underdeveloped or eclipsed by other overactive zones) than an actual disability to identify social cues.

Just wondering because, if it’s more akin to an atrophied muscle, it means it can be eventually trained.

I heard a story when I was a teenager of a kid who had been diagnosed as autistic and had all the symptoms when young. When he entered his preteen years, he said he realized he had a choice whether to stay as autistic or stop being autistic, and that whatever choice he made was going to be permanent for the rest of his life. So he chose to start viewing the world in the non-autistic way and became completely neurotypical.

That sounds similar to what you went through with your shifting of more focus to your instincts and away from logical thought processes. Maybe that part of the brain is just weaker or more suppressed in autists, but can be trained up? Probably the higher functioning you are, the better the potential is to strengthen that up -- if that hypothesis is correct...

There've been studies showing that methyl B12 injections reduce autism symptoms:

Small study finds B12 injections ease autism symptoms in some children | Autism Speaks

Researchers say the results of their small study suggest that, in some children, methyl B12 shots may ease autism symptoms by improving DNA methylation (illustrated at left). They caution that larger studies are needed to clarify their results.

www.autismspeaks.org

The hypothesized mechanism:

methyl B12 appears to have improved their cells’ ability to methylate DNA. DNA methylation is vital for turning a cell’s genes on and off at the appropriate time. Some earlier research has suggested that the process is impaired in some people with autism.

In that case it may not simply be that part of the brain is 'weaker' but that there is a real mutation at the cellular level autistic people are struggling with. If you can train up your brain to function effectively neurotypical or almost neurotypical, you're actually overcoming atypical physiology to perform at a neurotypical level (i.e., you are working harder to be 'normal' than 'normal people' have to).

We had a guy or guys on my autism article commenting that they can empathize with others and think, act, and behave neurotypically, but that it is very mentally taxing and exhausts them after a while. That would fit too with "it is possible, but requires overcoming a physiological obstacle to it that those without autism do not need to."

Chase

 

[bgwh]

Back when I was a dating coach I actually would not accept clients on the spectrum.

The truth is hard for people to accept but if a person is legit on the spectrum they are very unlikely to ever get good at pick up.

I always he these stories of some mythical dude who is autistic and sucked with women until they did like a billion approaches and then somehow starts having “success” but then when you ask then what “success” looks like it’s almost never actually getting laid. Improvements? Yes. Getting legit laid? No.

Then people like to point to Tyler D/Owen and say “well he’s on the spectrum!” No he’s not. Yeah he may tell you that as a marketing tactic but I can personally assure everyone that he is not.

If there is some way to magically make aspie men good at cold approach pick up I would love to know it because there is a lot of those guys out there who could benefit from it.

I disagree. It's probably more accurate to say you don't have the skillset/knowledge to help them. But there are actual training centres and programs that help autistic people get to the same level as non-autistic people (in terms of general social skills). So if one studies that stuff, he could do well coaching autistic guys. But saying "they have no chance in hell" is a bit... too much.

 

[Warped Mindless]

Nice replies here, @ulrich & @Rakehell.



@Warped Mindless, I've seen numerous guys on the spectrum over the years who do get laid. @Tank (formerly Nowhere) being one guy you probably are familiar with. There was a guy on here whose handle was something like "The Byronic Man" if I'm remembering right and not mixing him up with someone else. I knew a guy on a private seduction forum who'd been on various forums with any number of big name PUAs and met up with and been advised by tons of them.

These guys get laid*, but there's always an asterisk. Typically they need tons of volume. @Tank spent decades complaining about his abysmal approach-to-lay ratio. Another autistic guy I talked to in San Diego claimed 17 lays off 5,000 day game approaches.

The guy I knew from private forums was better; he calculated it took him about 150-200 approaches to get a lay on average, and 500 approaches to get a new girlfriend. He was a guy who came across like a nice, sociable guy in-person and a lot of PUA coaches who met him would tell him they could see nothing wrong with him and he was better at opening and hooking than almost any guy they knew. He (like @Tank, who I recall went through a "master opening" phase of I think several years) was really ace at the earlier parts of pickup but his skill progressively broke down as things got farther along. He could still close girls, but he missed a lot of windows and would make some pretty elementary mistakes (but mistakes you had to be in-tune with the woman to avoid making).

IME autistic guys getting laid regular-ish-ly unfailingly complain that:

1. They have to make far too many approaches to get a lay,
   
   
2. They are constantly frustrated by girls telling them they don't feel any chemistry,
   
   
3. They have big problems retaining girlfriends (though from my reviewing the relationships of the private forum guy, it is obvious that he spent months misreading the signals his girlfriends would be sending them, would misinterpret them wanting to progress the relationship with them wanting out, then would push them away or break up, claiming that they apparently had never been serious about him from the start. I felt bad for the girls. He was just completely blind to what they were saying to him in womanese and no amount of coaching could fix it. He also refused to believe he was misreading any signals),
   
   
4. They are unsatisfied with the quality of girl they get. e.g., Tank would complain he could reliably bang 6s and 7s, and occasionally an 8 but he couldn't hang onto the 8s. Really hot girls were out of reach for him. The guy I knew from private forums complained that he had never really clicked with any of the women he'd dated in his 20 years of dating history.

That combination -- inefficiency, lack of chemistry, retention problems, and insufficient girl quality -- are to me the quadrumvirate of sticky autistic seducer problems.

I'm not sure they're solvable; as far as I can tell this is probably maxed out autistic guy game. An autistic guy who can pull 10+ lays off cold approach is probably near the top of the charts for autistic guys in terms of cold approach. Tank and the private forum guy were both at over 50 lays. They just had to put in heaps and heaps and heaps of obsessively repetitive daily approaching for decades to get there (I think Tank switched over to online eventually IIRC).

But being able to help more autistic guys at least achieve that would probably be a boon for autistic seduction students.

Chase

Thanks for sharing that!

So, it seems my statement that they don’t get laid is inaccurate but even if I went back into coaching today I believe would still not take money from people on the spectrum.

While they may be able to get laid, it appears that have to put in an obsessive amount of effort for each lay and even then they have trouble retaining the girl. That’s a ton of effort to have sex with a girl one or two times. Is that success? The answer will depend. I suspect for the lonely autist with nothing else going on they may feel it is.

Me? I would personally tell them to put all that effort into maxing out other areas of their life such as starting a business. You can be on the spectrum and make a ton of money, write a great book, travel, get jacked, etc. Then pay high end escorts for your sexual needs. They seemingly aren’t making deep connections with these women anyways since they can’t keep them around so why is a hooker any different?

If I were autistic I’d rather be the rich jacked guy with a pretty great life and have sex with high end escorts than be the broke dude who has to spend a fuck ton of time and energy to get one lay every once in a while with a girl who isn’t going to stick around.

Just my opinion though and I can see why others would have different viewpoints on it.

“I'm not sure they're solvable; as far as I can tell this is probably maxed out autistic guy game. An autistic guy who can pull 10+ lays off cold approach is probably near the top of the charts for autistic guys in terms of cold approach. Tank and the private forum guy were both at over 50 lays. They just had to put in heaps and heaps and heaps of obsessively repetitive daily approaching for decades to get there (I think Tank switched over to online eventually IIRC).”

The juice doesn’t seem worth the squeeze to me. This is why I think many autist would ultimately be happier if they spent their time maxing out other areas they have more control over.

 

[bgwh]

Thanks for sharing that!

So, it seems my statement that they don’t get laid is inaccurate but even if I went back into coaching today I believe would still not take money from people on the spectrum.

While they may be able to get laid, it appears that have to put in an obsessive amount of effort for each lay and even then they have trouble retaining the girl. That’s a ton of effort to have sex with a girl one or two times. Is that success? The answer will depend. I suspect for the lonely autist with nothing else going on they may feel it is.

Me? I would personally tell them to put all that effort into maxing out other areas of their life such as starting a business. You can be on the spectrum and make a ton of money, write a great book, travel, get jacked, etc. Then pay high end escorts for your sexual needs. They seemingly aren’t making deep connections with these women anyways since they can’t keep them around so why is a hooker any different?

If I were autistic I’d rather be the rich jacked guy with a pretty great life and have sex with high end escorts than be the broke dude who has to spend a fuck ton of time and energy to get one lay every once in a while with a girl who isn’t going to stick around.

Just my opinion though and I can see why others would have different viewpoints on it.

“I'm not sure they're solvable; as far as I can tell this is probably maxed out autistic guy game. An autistic guy who can pull 10+ lays off cold approach is probably near the top of the charts for autistic guys in terms of cold approach. Tank and the private forum guy were both at over 50 lays. They just had to put in heaps and heaps and heaps of obsessively repetitive daily approaching for decades to get there (I think Tank switched over to online eventually IIRC).”

The juice doesn’t seem worth the squeeze to me. This is why I think many autist would ultimately be happier if they spent their time maxing out other areas they have more control over.

That's actually good advice if you mean traditional pickup. It's much better for an autistic guy to go for a different angle. But it doesn't necessarily have to be paying for sex. There are other options besides traditional pickup (which is horrible ROI for autistic guys) and paying for sex.

 

[William Wallace]

@ulrich,


We had a guy or guys on my autism article commenting that they can empathize with others and think, act, and behave neurotypically, but that it is very mentally taxing and exhausts them after a while. That would fit too with "it is possible, but requires overcoming a physiological obstacle to it that those without autism do not need to."

Chase

Yes it's mentally taxing because we are essentially brute forcing our way being thinking neurotypically. however things get less taxing over time as you get older because you get more social experience. some way to think of this is like playing Chess. it's not hard for us to feel sad for a person at all. it's just that we don't know how to behave.

 

[William Wallace]

Thanks for sharing that!


If I were autistic I’d rather be the rich jacked guy with a pretty great life and have sex with high end escorts than be the broke dude who has to spend a fuck ton of time and energy to get one lay every once in a while with a girl who isn’t going to stick around.

Just my opinion though and I can see why others would have different viewpoints on it.

“I'm not sure they're solvable; as far as I can tell this is probably maxed out autistic guy game. An autistic guy who can pull 10+ lays off cold approach is probably near the top of the charts for autistic guys in terms of cold approach. Tank and the private forum guy were both at over 50 lays. They just had to put in heaps and heaps and heaps of obsessively repetitive daily approaching for decades to get there (I think Tank switched over to online eventually IIRC).”

The juice doesn’t seem worth the squeeze to me. This is why I think many autist would ultimately be happier if they spent their time maxing out other areas they have more control over.

¨deep connections¨ i guess that really depends on what you mean. i've thought over the status route before, but i want a Life Partner that i can have kids with not a whore. as yes i know you could technically ¨buy¨kids but it's not the same.

 

[Rakehell]

@Rakehell, @Chase since you have a deeper knowledge of the research in autism… I wonder, is autism an in capability to feel empathy or a lack of skill?

I wonder if it is more a physiological symptom of an atrophied brain zone (one that is underdeveloped or eclipsed by other overactive zones) than an actual disability to identify social cues.

Just wondering because, if it’s more akin to an atrophied muscle, it means it can be eventually trained.

Entirely depends on the person, if it’s simply a lack of skill for them, then they probably were never autistic.

Why it’s important to see a couple of specialists, especially when you’re already an adult. It can be easy to diagnose yourself.

(There’s a diagnosis for everything nowadays, there’s even a diagnosis for medical students who start to identify too much with the things they learn about and fear they have that thing. Autism can easily be one of those things.)

Ideally someone who struggles because of something like autism, has always struggled and is aware of that, and at some point was formally diagnosed with having it, because they weren’t able to Learn how to operate on their own in a predetermined way (School, Work, etc).

Somethings going on that they can’t figure out, but it’s obvious to the people around them. And when you add on the quirky behavior that comes with having it—ideally their parents got them checked out when they were young and they already know.

It’s not something as easily correctable as learning the skills, that sounds more like being isolated in some way during those times of development, and needing exposure. Lack of experience/reference points in comparison to your peers.

 

[Skills]

Nice replies here, @ulrich & @Rakehell.



@Warped Mindless, I've seen numerous guys on the spectrum over the years who do get laid. @Tank (formerly Nowhere) being one guy you probably are familiar with. There was a guy on here whose handle was something like "The Byronic Man" if I'm remembering right and not mixing him up with someone else. I knew a guy on a private seduction forum who'd been on various forums with any number of big name PUAs and met up with and been advised by tons of them.

These guys get laid*, but there's always an asterisk. Typically they need tons of volume. @Tank spent decades complaining about his abysmal approach-to-lay ratio. Another autistic guy I talked to in San Diego claimed 17 lays off 5,000 day game approaches.

The guy I knew from private forums was better; he calculated it took him about 150-200 approaches to get a lay on average, and 500 approaches to get a new girlfriend. He was a guy who came across like a nice, sociable guy in-person and a lot of PUA coaches who met him would tell him they could see nothing wrong with him and he was better at opening and hooking than almost any guy they knew. He (like @Tank, who I recall went through a "master opening" phase of I think several years) was really ace at the earlier parts of pickup but his skill progressively broke down as things got farther along. He could still close girls, but he missed a lot of windows and would make some pretty elementary mistakes (but mistakes you had to be in-tune with the woman to avoid making).

IME autistic guys getting laid regular-ish-ly unfailingly complain that:

1. They have to make far too many approaches to get a lay,
   
   
2. They are constantly frustrated by girls telling them they don't feel any chemistry,
   
   
3. They have big problems retaining girlfriends (though from my reviewing the relationships of the private forum guy, it is obvious that he spent months misreading the signals his girlfriends would be sending them, would misinterpret them wanting to progress the relationship with them wanting out, then would push them away or break up, claiming that they apparently had never been serious about him from the start. I felt bad for the girls. He was just completely blind to what they were saying to him in womanese and no amount of coaching could fix it. He also refused to believe he was misreading any signals),
   
   
4. They are unsatisfied with the quality of girl they get. e.g., Tank would complain he could reliably bang 6s and 7s, and occasionally an 8 but he couldn't hang onto the 8s. Really hot girls were out of reach for him. The guy I knew from private forums complained that he had never really clicked with any of the women he'd dated in his 20 years of dating history.

That combination -- inefficiency, lack of chemistry, retention problems, and insufficient girl quality -- are to me the quadrumvirate of sticky autistic seducer problems.

I'm not sure they're solvable; as far as I can tell this is probably maxed out autistic guy game. An autistic guy who can pull 10+ lays off cold approach is probably near the top of the charts for autistic guys in terms of cold approach. Tank and the private forum guy were both at over 50 lays. They just had to put in heaps and heaps and heaps of obsessively repetitive daily approaching for decades to get there (I think Tank switched over to online eventually IIRC).

But being able to help more autistic guys at least achieve that would probably be a boon for autistic seduction students.

Chase

I met tank in person he came to visit me... I didn't see anything different other than he complained a bit... I wonder if is autism or cope... For me his main issue was viving and extremely high standards, but again it could be all cope... Good guy, did he get ban? If anyone knows what happened to tank pm or how to connect....

 

[Bill]

Rsd tyler who claims to be on the spectrum now always said state management was important for him because of a tendency to overthink

 

[William Wallace]

Rsd tyler who claims to be on the spectrum now always said state management was important for him because of a tendency to overthink

that happens a lot. it's simply because most of the stuff especially new stuff that we have yet to encounter before, we have to think it's how we are emulating you people you naturally pick up on. sadly seduction is an Art and not a science hahahahaha.

 

[William Wallace]

I met tank in person he came to visit me... I didn't see anything different other than he complained a bit... I wonder if is autism or cope... For me his main issue was viving and extremely high standards, but again it could be all cope... Good guy, did he get ban? If anyone knows what happened to tank pm or how to connect....

Well i guess my standards are crazy high at this point. an girl who has not taken the covid vaccine 5-10 looks- and i actually like you know to talk to. she can be autistic herself to a certain point. also European.

i was attracted to the girl in the red-shirt in the video lol

 

[Warped Mindless]

Rsd tyler who claims to be on the spectrum now always said state management was important for him because of a tendency to overthink

He’s not. That’s a marketing tactic in his part.