Spot on I was more successful with women when I was skinny.. it’s honestly unfair. I also noticed that you get more attention as a muscular guy, I think it would be constant dread for the women always receiving attention, whereas women need attention and would get it less because of thatDepends on the type of girl. If the girl is too lazy to work out herself,she's skinny af, she might say she isn't into guys with nice physiques cuz either they are unrelateable or they're insecure about themselves in relation to them. I've seen a bunch of chubby girls try to diminish fit guys or say they don't like guys with abs or look too skinny when really they're toned and have less body fat. So unless you're targeting basic or lazy girls who don't care to stay in shape, live a healthy lifestyle don't worry about it.
Most attractive girls will appreciate a guy who's in excellent shape. There's a certain threshold of physique that I think has universal appeal to women like the Michael B Jordan look in Black Panther and Creed. This look will probably also turn off some girls because they'll be insecure about their own appearance and it will affect your attainability.
That's why karisma king doesn't really workout because he said that when he was hitting the gym it affected his game and results with women.
Most likely because he was already charismatic and charming and having a physique on top of that made it harder for him so he keeps himself a little flabby to balance it all out lol.
I don’t have the ugly bodybuilder look, i aim for aesthetics. Not bragging. I look sexy, the women in the gym tell me that sometimes or I hear them whispering that. he looks so sexy omg, can I touch your arm? Are you using this machine?Women like muscles... they don't like too much muscles, though.
There's a "perfect" amount of muscles and that is skinny fit, like Brad Pitt in Fight Club.
Anything more than that is pleasing to a guy but frightening to most women unless they're into bodybuilding themselves which is a niche.
If you are massive and doing it for the ladies, you're missing the mark.
I don’t have the ugly bodybuilder look, i aim for aesthetics. Not bragging. I look sexy, the women in the gym tell me that sometimes or I hear them whispering that. he looks so sexy omg, can I touch your arm? Are you using this machine?
I never used it in the first place lol.
I get sometimes frightening looks and deer in the headlight looks, but they are insecure.
In my opinion Brad Pitt isn’t muscular in fight club he is skinny
Generally speaking all women prefer guys with muscles (i don’t mean the skinny Tyler, I mean aesthetics), they are just insecure. I remember once a girl giving me a despising look, frightening look or play the game like you look away the. They look at you, you look away again they look at you. But once you give them iois they reciprocitate and seek for your proximity and smile at you and they feel and behave sexy when you reciprocate back. When you are muscular you are already in the game with all kind of women not liking muscles doesn’t make sense biologically speaking. It triggers something in their brain to instinctually wanting them. It’s a shit test. Women rely on men who appear strong and powerful. But ofc if you have no game and lack confidence muscles won’t help in the long runAgain, you’re getting your definition of what “muscular” is from people who frequent the gym.
That is skewed.
Bodybuilding women like bodybuilders, every other girl’s ideal is more on the skinny side.
If physique is your main card and you don’t have charisma or any other quality as @TomInHo mentions, being too muscular can hurt your game when out of the bodybuilder niche.
Spot on I was more successful with women when I was skinny.. it’s honestly unfair. I also noticed that you get more attention as a muscular guy, I think it would be constant dread for the women always receiving attention, whereas women need attention and would get it less because of that
Is it ok to call women out on this or she ghost ? Like saying hey I noticed that you are being distant lately. What’s wrong?You are less attainable. That's why you saw a dip in results
These are some articles are a good start
Attainability Tactics for High Value Males
Attainability: Why girls who like you reject you
Is it ok to call women out on this? Like saying hey I noticed that you are being distant lately. What’s wrong?
Why would it make it worse? Low attainability is where she may think I don’t care about her and don’t take her seriously, so why would it make it worse when I show her that I care? I don’t quiet understand your pointNo. It will make it worse.
Just want to point something out, but notice how your first reaction was to put the blame on women, and not think about how you could change your behavior to put them more at ease
You're the leader. Take responsibility for handling the vibe of the interaction
Read the articles G and apply what you learn
Why would it make it worse? Low attainability is where she may think I don’t care about her and don’t take her seriously, so why would it make it worse when I show her that I care? I don’t quiet understand your point
There is one article about attainability from GC where it states that you can ask a girl you didn’t date this similar kind of question..An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure
If you are doing things correctly, you'll rarely have to ask... What's wrong to a girl you haven't fucked yet
Read the articles and apply because what you've been doing so far obviously isn't working for you.
@ulrich It depends on who's telling him he's muscular,but I don't think donjuan is getting feedback from bodybuilding women.
When I say bodybuilding women I mean specifically the ones who take hormones/steroids and have man muscles. If he's getting compliments from those kind of women then yeah having muscles won't translate much to getting normal girls outside the gym.
He's probably talking about regular girls who work out to look like regular sexy shaped women who wear waisttrainers and squat. If they're the ones complimenting him then i'd say it's valid feedback.
I don’t like tall guys, I don’t like short guys, you shouldn’t work out you looked better when you were fat. It’s a shit test dude, treat it like one. They are testing your confidence and whether they can manipulate you read my comment@Starboy, yeah exactly my point.
I wonder if OP is mixing different niches of women and thinking they all go for the same “perfect” look.
“All these girls (in the gym) say I look awesome but when I go out with girls (regular non-exercising) they say they don’t like my big muscles”.
Pretty much the same that happens with tattoos… once you are too deep in it, you stop relating with “normal” people aesthetics.