Would you stay in a LTR or marriage if...would you expect your partner LTR or marriage to stay if...

[Rain]

If I remember correctly, I read on another forum, one of the high ranking members said that if his LTR got fat, and didn't lose it, he would dump her. He worked on himself and kept fit or whatever, so why shouldn't she? This has always been something a bit scary to me. I don't want to give someone commitment because, there's always someone better out there. And I'd feel like I was missing out, because she gets older, but you still desire women in their 20s. I'd get older too, doens't change my desires[necessarily?].

Razorjack reckons that his wife would not leave him if his finances[currently millions from business? apologies if I got that wrong] went bad, and also that he would not leave her due to a few grey hairs and extra kilos, and they've been together for 12years. But you could replace extra kilos/grey hairs with anything, accident/wheelchair, chronic illness. Anyway he said her commitment to him, it would be without exceptions. I don't know if Razorjack is in a both monogamous relationship, or an open one.

You could have an 'open' LTR where you could see others, and she can't because you want your kids to be yours. Maybe that would fix the 'need a 20s woman' thing. But you'd then want to keep seeing the 20s woman regularly, not just once a quarter? I think Hector has said he won't teach oLTR because most guys would end up hurting the woman and not do it properly or something.

Lets also not forget this gc article

And yet, if a man is feeling discouraged, depressed, physically ill, or is facing financial difficulties, he is often astonished to discover that the woman he thought he could lean on seems to take a contrary stance, perhaps blaming him or becoming antagonistic with him about his unfortunate circumstances.

Men who become physically unfit in relationships learn very quickly that women, generally speaking, have no compunction against kicking a man while he is down. As David says, she needs to feel that he is the same strong bastard she was initially attracted to, even when he is sick in bed with the flu. This is a purely selfish response from the woman for evaluating – on an emotional level – the man’s continued fitness for survival and replication.”

Consider the predicament suffered by the physically large, menacing Icelandic berserker Egil Skallagrimson. The onset of ill health (probably Paget’s disease) gradually rendered him deaf, blind, and subject to migraines, whence, as the saga tells us, he was ridiculed by the women of his household, the same women he protected and provided for in his younger, healthier days!

Razorjack makes a good point about how, you don't disown your family because they get older or sick etc, but the way Hector says in a video[iirc]"fats get laid by bottom of the barrell guys" or something, and the post from the other forum, if you get kids theres a chance of the partner getting fat.....and if not, over years your woman will get old and wrinkley, and liver spots, I just don't understand how you can commit for life as opposed to a few years? Well I do and I don't, maybe its easy to say you wouldn't stay without actually being in the situation. So wondered people's thoughts.

Would you stay if she got fat, illness, shaved hair, got tattoes, wheelchair, or would you leave? Would you only do an open LTR? Would you stay if she cheated? that might be an exception, but my main question was the other ones not the cheating one, just putting that there incase haha.
Would you expect your woman to stay or not with the above situations happened to you? The article I quoted above reckons they may not stay?

EDIT: I do know people who have been together for many years[but have not question all of them, is it open relationship, is it closed, etc I would think it would be closed as they are more conservative part of family/relatives], maybe if I was inthe LTR situation I might have a different feeling. Or not , don't know for sure hence the discussion

 

[trashKENNUT]

Quick Answer:

*Girlschase can delete this post because i am going to the core of the problem. This is very NONPC*

My uncle is a religious man. He is married to 3 wifes. So you probably know which religion it is. One of his wifes is already sick. He plans to send her to nursing home.

Here's the thing that most man don't understand but high level guys do: It's Nothing Personal and Women accept that.

Women treat you like shit when you hurt social circle, accidentally.
She is also willing to stay in the back seat, because she is now old, damaged her reputation somewhat in a circle.
She knows in a sense where everything is all a game, the tribe comes first. My blueprint notes her causality is the tribe. If she is hurting everyone, she knows it and any decent women will want to keep her place in the tribe by going to a nursing home.

The society we live in, will read this and say "How FUCKING DARE You, Zac! You evil son of a bitch".

This are women and men who took third wave feminism and offer nothing.

Now i will go on an analogy rant.
Our grandmothers and mothers understand this somewhat. That is why they are not retarded. This is why most empires prefer to have boys, not girls.

Marriage, Tribe, Who we are as people, that conversation will be crucial in the next 100 years.

Here's another analogy:
Most men will bullshit and say "They take care of the parents". What does this mean? Money + Rarely Visit Them

We have to always be "Valuable" to our society.
This is why all men must be decently rich.

 

[Skills]

If I remember correctly, I read on another forum, one of the high ranking members said that if his LTR got fat, and didn't lose it, he would dump her. He worked on himself and kept fit or whatever, so why shouldn't she? This has always been something a bit scary to me. I don't want to give someone commitment because, there's always someone better out there. And I'd feel like I was missing out, because she gets older, but you still desire women in their 20s. I'd get older too, doens't change my desires[necessarily?].

Yes as you get older you will be more attracted to women 10-15 years younger, that is the sweet spot.... but you would still if you have the chance would fuck younger, but your attraction changes, as long as you have not had a long gap in laying (a guy that got married mono for years who missed out etc...)

Razorjack reckons

that his wife would not leave him if his finances[currently millions from business? apologies if I got that wrong] went bad, and also that he would not leave her due to a few grey hairs and extra kilos, and they've been together for 12years. But you could replace extra kilos/grey hairs with anything, accident/wheelchair, chronic illness. Anyway he said her commitment to him, it would be without exceptions. I don't know if Razorjack is in a both monogamous relationship, or an open one.

He is right she may not leave him IMMEDIATELY, cause she knows razorjack is a hustler and she believes in him and that he can reproduce results.... As long as she believes this, she will not leave, once she loses that hope she may. Many factors come into play also is not as black as white... There is a concept called getting zeroed out, in which guys believe cause they been together, they have all this history together, they have kids together, they are best friends etc.... She is super investment, there is no way or chance she will leave.... But once this happens it comes as a shocked and they get zeroed out, it can happen to ANYBODY, does not matter who it is, happens to brad pitt, fidel castro, axle rose, mystery, style, blackdragon, pureevil, me it can happen to anybody even razor jack even if he does not believe it...

You could have an 'open' LTR where you could see others, and she can't because you want your kids to be yours. Maybe that would fix the 'need a 20s woman' thing. But you'd then want to keep seeing the 20s woman regularly, not just once a quarter? I think Hector has said he won't teach oLTR because most guys would end up hurting the woman and not do it properly or something.

jibbirish.....

Razorjack makes a good point about how, you don't disown your family because they get older or sick etc, but the way Hector says in a video[iirc]"fats get laid by bottom of the barrell guys" or something, and the post from the other forum, if you get kids theres a chance of the partner getting fat.....and if not, over years your woman will get old and wrinkley, and liver spots, I just don't understand how you can commit for life as opposed to a few years? Well I do and I don't, maybe its easy to say you wouldn't stay without actually being in the situation. So wondered people's thoughts.

Men have more of a biological incline to be loyal, honor etc...The girls i dated when they got with me they got hotter here is how i do it http://www.theskillsmethod.com/introduction-fixer-upper-game-create-hottie/ on the contrary when we broke up the looks went to shit for some of them....

Would you stay if she got fat, illness, shaved hair, got tattoes, wheelchair, or would you leave? Would you only do an open LTR? Would you stay if she cheated? that might be an exception, but my main question was the other ones not the cheating one, just putting that there incase haha.
Would you expect your woman to stay or not with the above situations happened to you? The article I quoted above reckons they may not stay?

This is an extreme example and unlikely to happen, why worry about such things.... most dudes will stay temporarily, some for ever, some will be out depending on the dude and circumstances...

EDIT: I do know people who have been together for many years[but have not question all of them, is it open relationship, is it closed, etc I would think it would be closed as they are more conservative part of family/relatives], maybe if I was inthe LTR situation I might have a different feeling. Or not , don't know for sure hence the discussion

most are mono with religion, most are cheating on the side with prostitutes or flings, very few are open...

 

[Razorjack]

There is a huge lack of understanding in this entire post / thread.

It's being discussed from a seduction point of view rather than an LTR point of view.

It's like trying to discuss how to build a family road car when you only know how to build formula one racing cars. They're both cars but require completely different sets of skills

If I remember correctly, I read on another forum, one of the high ranking members said that if his LTR got fat, and didn't lose it, he would dump her. He worked on himself and kept fit or whatever, so why shouldn't she?

You don't take medical advice from a car salesman. Why is it any different with guys who are good at pick up but never had an LTR before? It's just mental masturbation.

So he screened her on her ability to stay fit, basically a trophy wife / girlfriend.

Do you guys understand that for every condition you set on her, there will be a condition set on you?

Then the unwritten LTR "contract" (foundation for the relationship) here is she must stay fit and he must keep up with x, otherwise it's over.

Really? You don't think that the girl will sense this? Maybe, just maybe she will end up dumping him first because she feels too much pressure to stay fit or she doesn't feel "loved" for who she is only her body.....

Serious, serious lack of empathy. This comes from guys who have been emotionally damaged from previous relationships, they want to control everything. Sorry not possible. Until guys get themselves emotionally fixed first, there is no point being in an LTR.

This has always been something a bit scary to me. I don't want to give someone commitment because, there's always someone better out there. And I'd feel like I was missing out, because she gets older, but you still desire women in their 20s. I'd get older too, doens't change my desires[necessarily?].

Then don't give a commitment!
It's as simple as that. You are only screening women for their looks and sexual attractiveness, nothing wrong with that but just be honest with yourself.

You can't not build an LTR based on looks and sexual attractiveness only. Pick up game will not help you keep an LTR going.

The guys who end up having problems with LTRs are emotionally damaged, they can't be completely honest with themselves and can't be completely honest with women, for whatever reason: shame, thinking it will lower her attraction, wanting to hide insecurities etc

Razorjack reckons that his wife would not leave him if his finances[currently millions from business? apologies if I got that wrong] went bad, and also that he would not leave her due to a few grey hairs and extra kilos, and they've been together for 12years. But you could replace extra kilos/grey hairs with anything, accident/wheelchair, chronic illness. Anyway he said her commitment to him, it would be without exceptions. I don't know if Razorjack is in a both monogamous relationship, or an open one.

I met my current wife, working a normal job that I was starting to hate. It was she that encouraged me to go for something bigger, when I was afraid to do it myself. She was the one who convinced me that everything would be ok, even if I failed with a new business.

So if it wasn't for her, I wouldn't have the financial situation that I have today.

You could have an 'open' LTR where you could see others, and she can't because you want your kids to be yours. Maybe that would fix the 'need a 20s woman' thing. But you'd then want to keep seeing the 20s woman regularly, not just once a quarter?

Mental masturbation.

Figure out what you really want.

Theorizing like this is just a big waste of time and energy

I think Hector has said he won't teach oLTR because most guys would end up hurting the woman and not do it properly or something.

Have no idea who Hectors is, my point is that the problem isn't with women, it's emotionally damaged men who aren't LTR material. Mystery is the perfect example, he's got pick up skills to seduce the hottest women but he is too emotionally damaged to be in an LTR.

Lets also not forget this gc article

The problem I have with this article is that it frames a one-way relationship. The man has to do everything (running game) in an LTR to keep the attraction going. I would say that if this is the case, then he never screened her for an LTR.
I bet he picked up a woman based on how attractive she was, kept seeing her for a while, never screened her for LTR, just got into an LTR with her that he is now figuring out how to keep attracted in the LTR.

Razorjack makes a good point about how, you don't disown your family because they get older or sick etc, but the way Hector says in a video[iirc]"fats get laid by bottom of the barrell guys" or something, and the post from the other forum, if you get kids theres a chance of the partner getting fat.....and if not, over years your woman will get old and wrinkley, and liver spots, I just don't understand how you can commit for life as opposed to a few years? Well I do and I don't, maybe its easy to say you wouldn't stay without actually being in the situation. So wondered people's thoughts.

And that right there is your problem. For you, a criteria for staying committed is her looks, you don't think she will sense this?

Let's continue down further down this line: So she senses that her relationship with you is limited only to how she looks to you.

What do you think will happen when she looks in the mirror and notices another gray hair, additional wrinkles, liver spots, the extra kilos etc?

She will not feel attractive anymore..... then you guessed it, she will dump your ass before she thinks you will dump her, similar to auto-rejections in pick up. She thinks her looks have gone and now the unwritten LTR "contract" between you 2 is broken and there is no reason to continue the relationship. The she backwards rationalizes her decision and the guy (you) are left in complete shock and have no idea what the hell happened.

Would you stay if she got fat, illness, shaved hair, got tattoes, wheelchair, or would you leave? Would you only do an open LTR? Would you stay if she cheated? that might be an exception, but my main question was the other ones not the cheating one, just putting that there incase haha.
Would you expect your woman to stay or not with the above situations happened to you? The article I quoted above reckons they may not stay?

Wrong questions. The goal is to never end up in this situation you described in the first place. I think guys somehow think that LTRs "just happen", similar to how girls think that meeting that sexy guy "just happens".

No, couldn't be more wrong and this is the main reason why LTRs end up in trouble because they "just happened" and now both partners are trying to somehow manage and keep the relationship going.

What are you looking for in a lifetime partner? Did you screen her for this?
If you can't answer these 2 questions than you don't have the foundation for an LTR. Period.

The problem with the discussion on this board is that no guy is even thinking of a lifetime partner, they are only thinking about how they are going to attract and sleep with hot women. These are two entirely different sets of skills

 

[Razorjack]

He is right she may not leave him IMMEDIATELY, cause she knows razorjack is a hustler and she believes in him and that he can reproduce results.... As long as she believes this, she will not leave, once she loses that hope she may. Many factors come into play also is not as black as white... There is a concept called getting zeroed out, in which guys believe cause they been together, they have all this history together, they have kids together, they are best friends etc.... She is super investment, there is no way or chance she will leave.... But once this happens it comes as a shocked and they get zeroed out, it can happen to ANYBODY, does not matter who it is, happens to brad pitt, fidel castro, axle rose, mystery, style, blackdragon, pureevil, me it can happen to anybody even razor jack even if he does not believe it...

As I wrote to rain.

You are trying to discuss how to build a family road car when you have only built formula one racing cars. They're both cars but require completely different sets of skills for completely different purposes

Yes, you say you've been in LTRs but you keep viewing it in terms of game and seduction skills (man needs to keep producing results / providing / or whatever)

What you describe above happens when the girls is looking for a guy who produces results / provides etc and the guy did a shitty job of screening for an LTR

 

[BigPapa]

@Razorjack I totally agree with what you are saying , and like I mentioned ,you have a different kind of philosophy , which in my I case totally like and would like to know more things from a practical stand point .

The problem though that I see , is that most of the times you just say things , without really giving any empirical additions after . I mean , you look like a cool guy , that has a lot of girls & life experience , so it would be great for other guys to learn practical things from you

It would be great if you could write some posts about , what your philosophy is on for example LTR ( based on the topic of this thread) , and then come with a practical guide on how to screen , how the relationship dynamic should be, what is the difference between actually supplicating & just negotiating so the relationship can be stronger , etc

@Skills is just saying his point of view , good or bad , depends on each person , but at least he is really trying to be helpful

 

[Razorjack]

@Razorjack I totally agree with what you are saying , and like I mentioned ,you have a different kind of philosophy , which in my I case totally like and would like to know more things from a practical stand point .

The problem though that I see , is that most of the times you just say things , without really giving any empirical additions after . I mean , you look like a cool guy , that has a lot of girls & life experience , so it would be great for other guys to learn practical things from you

It would be great if you could write some posts about , what your philosophy is on for example LTR ( based on the topic of this thread) , and then come with a practical guide on how to screen , how the relationship dynamic should be, what is the difference between actually supplicating & just negotiating so the relationship can be stronger , etc

@Skills is just saying his point of view , good or bad , depends on each person , but at least he is really trying to be helpful

You actually have no idea, of the time commitment you are asking from me.

First of all this is a huge complex topic, it would take me days/weeks just to structure it and will take pages and pages to write up.

Second you are talking about getting people to make a huge mental shift from what has worked for them in seduction just to understand relationships from another perspective. Do you remember the "Attraction - Can it be generated" thread? There was tons of misinformation, half-truths, blatant misinterpretations, etc from guys who simply couldn't believe something outside their own realm of experience.

Multiple that shit-show by 10X and that is what I will have to deal with.

Sorry to sound like an ass, but I'm just being brutally honest, this is time I will never get back, so no thanks it's not worth it.

 

[BigPapa]

You actually have no idea, of the time commitment you are asking from me.
First of all this is a huge complex topic, it would take me days/weeks just to structure it and will take pages and pages to write up.

Totally agree with you senor , in my case I do not feel like writing shorter things , like for example a field report

Second you are talking about getting people to make a huge mental shift from what has worked for them in seduction just to understand relationships from another perspective. Do you remember the "Attraction - Can it be generated" thread? There was tons of misinformation, half-truths, blatant misinterpretations, etc from guys who simply couldn't believe something outside their own realm of experience.

Totally agree with you again , but in that thread was mainly about some guys going on the extremes on a particular topic , which usually does not bring almost any value in the day to day life , and @Skills made a very smart summary of that thread, saying we need to further brake the topic into short & long game .

Multiple that shit-show by 10X and that is what I will have to deal with.

Totally agree with you again , but when you have the "tribal elder rank " people tend to see you as a subject matter expert in the art of seduction , and the rest of the guys will just follow , except a couple of more extremist people on the forum , who will just feel the need to go Al Qaida , because I just have the feeling that it just makes them feel better about themselves

Sorry to sound like an ass, but I'm just being brutally honest, this is time I will never get back, so no thanks it's not worth it.

No mate , makes total sense what you are saying . If you do not have the time to write things from your perspective on the forum , maybe it would be a good idea to write a book about this ( there are not that many books about this topic that are good , and in the same time I think there is a lot of demand ) . It would be a shame for such a long experience to just disappear

 

[Skills]

I have an article for screening for ltr that rev did for me a while back:

The Ultimate guide to getting and keeping a girlfriend (featuring Revlifestyledesign) - The Skills Method

I’m going to outline the key factors for managing a monogamous relationship for the kind of guys who read this site, alpha males, not some men are from mars, women … Continue Reading →

www.theskillsmethod.com

 

[Razorjack]

Totally agree with you again , but when you have the "tribal elder rank " people tend to see you as a subject matter expert in the art of seduction , and the rest of the guys will just follow , except a couple of more extremist people on the forum , who will just feel the need to go Al Qaida , because I just have the feeling that it just makes them feel better about themselves

The problem I see isn't just with a few extremists, it seems more like a clash between old school vs new school and a lot of the new schoolers are so set in their views and aren't open to hearing anything different even when proof is provided. Then it doesn't stop their, instead of staying out of these discussions they feel the need to pollute the threads with KJ nonsense (yes, even experienced guys who have lays) when they have no actual experience with the subject being discussed.

And to be honest, I don't feel any need to have a following nor is it my responsibility to help guys improve.

No mate , makes total sense what you are saying . If you do not have the time to write things from your perspective on the forum , maybe it would be a good idea to write a book about this ( there are not that many books about this topic that are good , and in the same time I think there is a lot of demand ) . It would be a shame for such a long experience to just disappear

Not quite what I meant.

I have all the time in the world, it just isn't worth my time nor the effort to write, share and discuss with people intent on wrecking the discussion. I would rather spend my time discussing my views offline with advanced guys who I know will add to the discussion.

 

[BigPapa]

The problem I see isn't just with a few extremists, it seems more like a clash between old school vs new school and a lot of the new schoolers are so set in their views and aren't open to hearing anything different even when proof is provided. Then it doesn't stop their, instead of staying out of these discussions they feel the need to pollute the threads with KJ nonsense (yes, even experienced guys who have lays) when they have no actual experience with the subject being discussed.

And to be honest, I don't feel any need to have a following nor is it my responsibility to help guys improve.

Me personally I intervened on that topic when people were stigmatizing a guy who wrote an article intended for the less experienced guys about that they will never be able to pull out a red , because they can still have really good results focusing on girls that are more receptive to them . It makes perfect sense to have an simplified version of things for not yet experienced guys , because first of all they need to focus on the long hanging fruits , and get some proper self esteem , thus having proper foundations on which to lay more advanced concepts .

But one thing is to say that sometimes if you play your cards right you can pull a girl that was a real red initially if you have the time & proximity to game her , and one thing all together is to say or imply that you can create attraction from thin air and that the initial attraction does not matter ( basically having at least decent fundamentals ) at all in this process => basically implying that you can be at the lowest step of society ( basically almost non existent fundamentals ) and still pull any gorgeous girl at any given time based on some alchemic concepts that only you know ( this is a very very bald statement )

About the "new game " vs "old game" that you refer to , from my point of view "the new game" is more pragmatic ( meaning that you learn first the concepts that will have the biggest impact on your game , and then continuing adding more advanced things as you move on but in the order of how much it will help you improve your field results in the shortest time possible ) and more catered to the mases ( most of the guys do not want to be an elite seducer , they are ok with being mediocre and having some results - more or less this is in line with the rest of things in life. Being considered an elite in any given domain first of all means a lot of sacrifices , which most of the guys do not want to do - again basic human psychology.

The "old game" is more catered as a secret society , more romantic ( meaning that is more intellectual ), closer to art and more philosophical , so from the beginning more elitist and not catered to the masses . Even though their way of viewing things is not the same , they have in common the same objective , how to be self reliant when it comes to women and not destroy your life because of some girl you met .

Not quite what I said.

I have all the time in the world, it just isn't worth my time nor the effort to write, share and discuss with people intent on wrecking the discussion. I would rather spend my time discussing my views offline with advanced guys who I know will add to the discussion.

I am not in the same boat with you on this one , as I believe that a lot of good things can happen in the world if someone that clearly knows more than you can give you a hint on what is wrong with your approach .

Let's take as an example Bjorn Borg , that guy was one of the most talented tennis players in the world , but because he was quite shit when it came to women his career was destroyed very early due to some drama queen romanian chick . I mean if you had the knowledge back then and he would have listened to you , you would not have helped him to get an abundancy mentality and continue playing tennis ? .

Same thing with the guys here on the forum , we just do not know who has the potential for greatness and basically make the world at least slightly better than it was before

 

[Razorjack]

It makes perfect sense to have an simplified version of things for not yet experienced guys , because first of all they need to focus on the long hanging fruits , and get some proper self esteem , thus having proper foundations on which to lay more advanced concepts .

MASSIVE misunderstanding here. The low hanging fruits you are talking about here is not a foundation for adding more advanced concepts, it is a separate foundation of it's own.

But one thing is to say that sometimes if you play your cards right you can pull a girl that was a real red initially if you have the time & proximity to game her , and one thing all together is to say or imply that you can create attraction from thin air and that the initial attraction does not matter ( basically having at least decent fundamentals ) at all in this process => basically implying that you can be at the lowest step of society ( basically almost non existent fundamentals ) and still pull any gorgeous girl at any given time based on some alchemic concepts that only you know ( this is a very very bald statement )

This is a perfect example of what I meant. The low hanging fruit system has already convinced you that doing something is impossible, so when a someone comes along and says it is possible (and have experience doing it) you don't believe it and claim it is a very bold statement.

So in order to build a proper foundation for the advanced stuff, you need to unlearn the simplified stuff.

About the "new game " vs "old game" that you refer to , from my point of view "the new game" is more pragmatic ( meaning that you learn first the concepts that will have the biggest impact on your game , and then continuing adding more advanced things as you move on but in the order of how much it will help you improve your field results in the shortest time possible ) and more catered to the mases ( most of the guys do not want to be an elite seducer , they are ok with being mediocre and having some results - more or less this is in line with the rest of things in life. Being considered an elite in any given domain first of all means a lot of sacrifices , which most of the guys do not want to do - again basic human psychology.

No, you're whole premise is built on a total misunderstanding, you think the simplified stuff is a foundation for the advanced stuff, it isn't.

The difference between new school and old school is like an iPhone camera vs a Nikon professional when it comes to photography. If guys only want to take pics by whipping out iphone, snapping a few shots and uploading them to Facebook and Instagram, that's fine go ahead and do it, there is nothing wrong with it.

However being able to use an iPhone camera does NOT in any way, shape or form build a proper foundation for being a professional photographer.

Then the issue comes in when a professional photographer says in order to make a specific type of picture effect, you need to adjust the lighting and aperture and iPhone guys start jumping in saying it's impossible because they can't do it and it's not possible on their iPhone.

The "old game" is more catered as a secret society , more romantic ( meaning that is more intellectual ), closer to art and more philosophical , so from the beginning more elitist and not catered to the masses . Even though their way of viewing things is not the same , they have in common the same objective , how to be self reliant when it comes to women and not destroy your life because of some girl you met .

No, it isn't. The new stuff is a simplified, dumbed down, quick and easy version version of the old school stuff so it can be sold to the masses. There is nothing wrong with this, but being able to take a pic with an iPhone does not make you a photographer.

I understand that not everybody wants to be a photographer and that is fine, my issue is when they start telling photographers what is and isn't possible.

I am not in the same boat with you on this one , as I believe that a lot of good things can happen in the world if someone that clearly knows more than you can give you a hint on what is wrong with your approach .

And what's in it for the advanced guy?

I mean you have more life experience than young teenagers, why aren't you out there teaching them about life? Would you still be motivated after running into several troublemakers who claim what you're saying is bullshit and nitpick simply to try and win an argument?

Let's take as an example Bjorn Borg , that guy was one of the most talented tennis players in the world , but because he was quite shit when it came to women his career was destroyed very early due to some drama queen romanian chick . I mean if you had the knowledge back then and he would have listened to you , you would not have helped him to get an abundancy mentality and continue playing tennis ? .

"and he would have listened to you" and if he did not have John McEnroe shouting bullshit from the sides......

Same thing with the guys here on the forum , we just do not know who has the potential for greatness and basically make the world at least slightly better than it was before

Game recognizes game, and potential game. There are less than 5 guys that I can see have the potential for greatness because they have the right attitude, others are too busy trying to win arguments and wanting to express opinions and debate topics they don't realize they don't understand.

 

[Velasco]

who claim what you're saying is bullshit

lol someone's gotta do it

"I'm not interested in "learning seductions skills or pick up game", I'm more interested in efficiently getting results". - Razorjack

1. if I was doing pick up in Scandinavia I would go for the "easy 8" (or "easy 10") all day everyday over the "time consuming 10", simply because of the time it takes to close.
2. However if I wanted only 10s, then I would travel to a place where my personal "market value" is sky high, e.g. Eastern Europe, Japan, US, etc where it takes much less time for me to get 10s

keep your options open, the world has opportunities you may have not considered especially if your only focus is trying to improve your seduction skills to pick up the "time-consuming 10" at the local nightclub. Instead you can pick up "10s" much easier/quicker in other places without additional seduction skills and then the "time-consuming 10" at the local nightclub doesn't seem so special and time-worthy anymore.

 

[Rain]

I bet he picked up a woman based on how attractive she was, kept seeing her for a while, never screened her for LTR, just got into an LTR with her that he is now figuring out how to keep attracted in the LTR.

If you screened for a LTR, then that means she would be a red for guys who aren't her partner. Not sure if you're still on the other thread, but wondered, do you think any red can be flipped, eg even if you screened a LTR, she could still be flipped, or thats a no, only some reds can be flipped?
Cheers

 

[Razorjack]

lol someone's gotta do it

Perfect example of cherry picking and straw-manning an argument to win a Pyrrhic victory.

Congratulations! Well done! Keep it up!

Seriously, I've had enough and am done with this shit.

 

[Velasco]

You do one thing then say another. That's called being a bullshitter so I called you out on it bro

Peace!

 

[Razorjack]

You do one thing then say another. That's called being a bullshitter so I called you out on it bro

Peace!

Yeah, let's troll and behave like a total dick because you can't possibly game with efficiency and flip the occasional "Red" because Velasco needs to win an argument.

As I said, congrats, you win, I'm a bullshitter, so are all the other old schoolers.

This will be my final contribution to this board, I'm done.

 

[Velasco]

As I said, congrats, you win, I'm a bullshitter, so are all the other old schoolers

Nah just you bro. I have a lot of respect for the other old schoolers on this forum

 

[Skills]

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You do one thing then say another. That's called being a bullshitter so I called you out on it bro

Peace!

what was the point/goal of you jumping in a post by rain about a long term mono marriage address specifically to razor (which most of us never had or even want), total derail and lack of calibration....

And what is your insistence in that silly flipping red shit, when is not your goal and you are a screener.... come on! now you just manage to get rid of a good contributor...

 

[Velasco]

And what is your insistence in that silly flipping red shit, when is not your goal

I wanted to see if its possible. To change up the way I game. For now the only options I see is through social proof/preselection and playing the long game.

come on! now you just manage to get rid of a good contributor.

He left under his own power. He can come back if he wants lol. Just dont be preaching one thing while you do another. Then talk shit on others who are also focused on efficiency and consistency.