Date 2: FR++
The Cold approach 11mins conversation Wednesday about 6-7pm
I see her sitting at a bus stop on a diagonally designed (diagonal in relation to the length of the bus stop (from bird's) that is parallel to the road) facing this the largest and busiest road in my country
Her back is facing me. And I actually was carrying my dinner and heading to go and eat it but I saw her in black pants and a white T-shirt from behind and her pants really emphasised her ass. She looked really hot from behind so I'm like let's just do this.
I sit on the same bench as her but on the opposite end of the bench and with my body facing the opposite side away from the bench. I pre-open by slowly tapping the back of her right upper arm twice. I open direct with a very simple u look great and she's slightly flustered she's talk on her headphones. The atmosphere is quite loud because buses are coming in to the bus stop
I finally manage to hear her that she's from Bhutan. And I'm quite surpised because it's one of the countries in the world that has the least interchange with other countries in the world. So we chat about Bhutan for a bit. I have some slight anxiety but thankfully it's not very bad. She says she wants to come to my country to see because she cant see
I try to talk about about her work and it's actually quite a crappy conversation. Very light and shallow conversation. And I fail at my deep-diving. She says she likes living in my country but doesn't like working in my country. But at least it carries on and it's light and not that contrived so it does the job.
I ask her about her country a bit and some other light chat. I talk about her fashion a second and third country. I joke about how I was running behind the bus stop and then I saw her and then I jerked to a stop and laugh with her about it.
I ask her whether she wants to get coffee this week. Some small chat about about tea and coffee and I like tea. I'm slightly anxious about this part idk why, my bottle of tea drops on the floor. I awkwardly say "Give me ur phone number". And she just gives it to me. From the later date I can really tell she likes me a lot so I suppose she really wants it to happen that's why she's making it easier for me. She's quite cute and her body is great haha.
We talk a bit about how to say her name. she gives me her number and struggles to tell me because the buses are making a lot of noise. We chat about Whatsapp and messaging so talking about some logistics. I talk about her fashion to pass some time and make sure the conversation doesn't get awkward.
Her bus comes. She waves at me quite sweetly and I wave back femininely to reciprocate her feminity.
End of approach.
Messaging
During the cold approach I chatted with her and with joked about how it's expensive in my country to send text messages and she said she used data so first I dropped her a text message (free to receive) to which she didn't reply and then dropped her a Whatsapp
Text-messaging
Wednesday
1913 Me: Hi T, this is Y... Whatsapp u when I'm home save my number.
Whatsapp
Wednesday
2046 Me: Y here, T?
2046 Her: Oh hi
2046 Her:
2130 Me: What's ur schedule like next week?
2134 Her: I'm off on Sunday
2138 Her: Hey
2316 Me: This Sunday?
2317 Her: Yup
Thursday
0853 Me: Ok, meet me after lunch this Sunday at (vertical shopping mall)... How's 2pm?
0905 Her: 2pm it's too early
0905 Her: Hahha
0905 Her: I don't wake up at this time
2129 Me: Smells like Bullshit. Tell me a time when you can make it to (vertical shopping mall). Other than Wednesday or Sunday night
2130 Her: Umm
2130 Her: Y not on Weddnesday and Sunday
2130 Her: ??
2130 Her: What is your problem?
2151 Me: I'm not free on Wed and Sun night
2218 Her: Ok
Sunday
1159 Her: Hey
1159 Her: Good morning
1224 Her: Are we meeting today?
1906 Her: Hi
I forget to check my Whatsapp because I communicate with the other girls through text lol
Monday
0915 Me: Lol I thought u said u cant make Sunday afternoon, when are u available?
Tuesday
0033 Her: We can make out tomorrow
0829 Me: What time tomorrow?
1133 Her: Around 4
1233 Me: Ok 4pm today or tomorrow?
1244 Her: Today
1245 Her: What you say
1304 Me: What time can u be at (vertical shopping mall)?
1315 Her: 4
1325 Her: You reply so late
1327 Me: I can do 4pm
I start frantically taking notes from GC regarding LMR and car sex and lots of stuff etc haha. I usually like to have time to prepare for dates but didn't want to leave the date off to another day because we have to move fast with girls and I just need to puch my comfort zone to go on more dates
Timing issue: It was only after I texted her that I remembered that my Dad needed the car slightly after 6 and I'm like fk, but I just went on the date anyways because I'm not going to reject her and honestly, I didn't think I would get nearly as far as I actually did during the date itself so kudos to me for pushing my comfort zones and levelling up.
1355 Her: Ok
1502 Me: See u there
1549 Me: Meet me on the first floor of (Vertical shopping mall)
1601 Her: Ok
1605 Me: There's a statue of (a landmark), meet me there
1609 Me: Do u not give any indication that u are going to be late? I am going to leave if I don't see u by 415
1610 Her: Where is that statue
1610 Her: I'm in (Vertical shopping mall)
1611 Her: I got it
The date before the seduction location Tues 410pm-432pm
She's wearing 3 pieces of clothing aside from her high-heeled shoes. This one piece and quite cleavage-showy dressing gown. Her quite tights-like underwear and her bra.
I complement her on how she looks nice
I'm actually quite anxious on this date in addition to my first date that I posted on this journal
So I'm actually visibly slightly shivering and I think she can tell, but I use my determination
and just lead her. Throughout the point in time when we are in the mall, I'm shivering
very very slightly but less and less as time passes
I'm really fking random with my conversation because I'm nervous at the beginning and then I comment
quite a lot on how she's overdressed, I initially wanted to bring her to a supermarket to by something
to drink and then go to some cheap really casual coffee shop but then I feel like I can't do that
anymore. She's got fking high heels fk! And my plan was to walk with her up and down this vertical shopping
mall
So we just have some chatter where I'm actually struggling with the conversation, but she's cooperating
and keeping chill and still talking with me. So I don't lose my cool either but I'm still slightly nervous
throughout
We queue up to scan our IDs and go into this three-level clothes store where I get some of my girl-getting
clothes. The first floor is for kids so I put my hand on the small of her back and it's quite wet and I ask
if she's nervous and she says I'm making her nervous as we get on the escalator within the store thats taking
us from the first floor of the store to the 2nd floor of the store
5 mins into date
We reach the 2nd floor, this is women's clothing. She says I'm really making her nervous because I'm looking at
her a lot and commenting on her attire a lot though I say I like it so she's happy with that. I ask her to put her
hand in mine and then ask her if she feels less nervous now, and she says yeah a bit better so, I lead her across
the 2nd floor of the shop with her hand in mine.
I ask her what clothes around us she likes. I ask her about belts and how she's wearing a gown right now but
when I first saw her she was wearing pants and a short sleeve T-shirt. She says she can run in high heels, I
joke with her and walk fast and ask her to keep pace with me and then she stumbles and grabs onto me and giggles
8 mins into the date we are on the escalator to the 3rd floor. The men's floor.
9 mins into the date after we get of the escalator and we stand still and I survey the floor,
she stands really close to me such that she presses her breast lightly against my arm
And this has happened to me before with a girl I didn't even approach before when I was on a bus in a
university campus, and what I knew now is that's the signal of major interest in me
So this was the sign to pull
My plan was to walk around the mall for 30mins-1 hour before bringing her up to the car park but
WTF that was fast!!
So I pretend to stick with my 'plan' and bring her to the place where the shop puts the colorful socks that
I wear on display. My fashion is black formal pants, blue (some days navy some days deep blue) T-shirt,
grey/blue dress-casual shoes, and purple socks
On the way there we talk a bit about Bhutan where she's from and how it compares to the country we are
currently in
So I bring her to see the purple socks, then I show her the current pair of purple socks I am wearing
And take a pair of purple socks of the shelf
Then I joke with her that I'm color-blind, she's surprised then I say I'm half color-blind, in truth Im slightly
color-deficient so I have difficulty differenting small dots of colors all mashed up together
But I ask her if the socks I'm holding are actually purple or whether they're actually blue
She kneels down and looks at my socks (investment) and then we laugh and joke
And I kneel down also and we have a good time
I nudge her to stand up
Going for the pull: Success without persistence
14-15min into the date
We are walking to away from the socks area
I ask her what music she likes. She says acoustic. I ask her whether her phone has bluetooth and she says yes but her
phone is really old.
Me: I parked upstairs. Want to listen to music?
Her: Mhmm. (Nods) Love it.
(WELL THAT WASN'T THAT HARD...!!!
)
I know the mall really well so I just lead her out of the shop by taking an escalator to the fourth floor.
From the fourth floor there's a bridge into the adjacent mall above which my car is park and we just walk
that route and it's not very populated so it's a good transition into a private setting
We get to the lift that's supposed to take us to the 6th floor where I parked in a very secluded part of the car park
But I try something completely unnecessary and potentially detrimental:
I won't try this again
Instead of taking the lift to the 6th floor carpark, we take the lift to the even more empty 8th floor carpark and I
bring her out of the lift lobby and into the middle of the carpark and ask her to walk on her own to the corner of the
carpark, she asks why, then I laugh and say I'm just testing her and ask whether if a guy asks her to walk somewhere
strange will she just go there without questioning.
Completely unnecessary move on my part and could have completely backfired
She just said she doesn't understand what I'm doing, and she closes up a bit by folding her arms
So we wait for the lift in the 8th floor carpark lift lobby and we take the lift down to the 6th floor
And she asks a bit about me and I tell her a bit about myself
We reach the sixth floor and she asks me where I parked and I just lead her, the parking lot I chose is
the most secluded, out of view of the lift lobby
So I lead her through a couple of twists and turns to get to my car and we get to my car no problem
She stands with me outside the driver's seat
I say it's my family's car and give some small information
I open the driver's seat to turn on the air-conditioning. As I finish turning on the engine, I turn to look at her
waiting
Critical moment:
I look at her eyes
I followed based on Franco's advice: I say nothing, immediately shut the driver's door and walk confidently to the
opposite (left) side of the vehicle and open the back seat, get into the back seat and close the door.
T waits outside the closed door of the backseat of the right side of the vehicle just standing there.
I prepared for this is in my notes before the date. In my previous post on this journal
In the back seat I slide over to the right side of the vehicle, she's looking at me slightly unsurely
I just knock on the window from the inside of the vehicle with the knuckles of my first two fingers,
make eye contact with her, and with my right palm faced upwards beckon her to come in with my four fingers
I shift over to the middle seat as she opens the door, gets in, sits down and shuts the door.
FK YEAH!!!!!!! Smooth.
At this point, we are only 22 mins into the date. Next level shit, we are already where the seduction is
supposed to happen wow.
At the seduction location Tues 432pm-615pm
From this point to the end of the date it's like
In my country the driver's seat is on the right
She gets into the back seat with her sitting on the seat behind the driver's seat and me sitting on the other end of the back seat.
So we're sitting like 2 passengers in the back seat of my 5-seater car. In between us is also a seat, not a handbrake so I can easily move over but it's like one of those less comfortable seats where anyone only sits there if there a 5 people riding the car.
Things that happen
1.
I talk about how it is quite comfortable to take ur shoes off when u are chilling out in the back seat of a car.
She takes her high heels off
I said she's wearing high heels. Blah blah. She complains that she has something in her eyes. She turns on the light in the car because I didn't turn on the light obviously it's more sexual when dark so I just let her do that to feel more comfortable in the car
I don't do very much to help her with her eye problem
I use her eye problem to get closer to her.
She backs off a bit not too comfortable with my touch
2.
We spend sometime trying to connect her phone's bluetooth to the car. I struggle with it a bit because I'm leaning over from the back seat to the front to adjust the settings.
When I got into the car my phone's bluetooth was connected so it was playing some 80's song
I reach over to disconnect my bluetooth and the radio starts going with some news channel
She tests me saying that listening to the radio is good enough for her we don't need to play the music that she likes
I persist, just saying a one word command
So she 'follows' and tries to connect but it eventually fails to connect cos her phone is old and I don't understand how to use her phone so yea
She can't find my car's bluetooth on her bluetooth scanner
I give up on the bluetooth thing
I ask her whether she likes English music she says all kinds.
I decide its better to not use music and just let the conversation/escalation happen in silence
At some point in time between steps 1 and 4, she has her mask hanging off one side of her face from one ear so I remove it and put it in the seat in front of me
3.
I try to get her to sit on the middle seat between us
Her: I'm sitting here (Gesturing to where she's sitting)
I change the subject to the slim and long sling bag that she has that's still swung over her shoulder
She rambles on a bit about her bag, I just laugh it off
Persist to get her to sit in the middle again
Her: Can u see I'm comfortable here?
Me: No, doesn't look like ur comfortable
I get her bag off her and put it in the seat in front of me
4.
I start conversing about her and her relationship with Bhutan (Good that I picked up from our earlier conversation during the 20min stretch in the mall that she said that she's very different from the other people in Bhutan)
Test: she says she's going to read a description of her country from Google
Me: I tell her not to and I ask her what her specific story is
She says 3 sentences and then says what dyou want to know I think I told u everything
I laugh out loud like she said something fking ridiculous, which it precisely was ridiculous
She says all the people there are nice (BS)
She gives me some description of Bhutan then we laugh a bit
5.
She has her hair tied in a ponytail behind her head
I ask her whether she thinks she looks nicer with her hair not tied up in a ponytail (This was a mistake because when I tried to kiss and escalate with my mouth later on her hair kept getting stuck in my mouth)
She unties her hair and let's it fall, it's quite nice both ways
She says that my country is too hot so she always keeps her hair tied
She admits to me that she doesn't like working so she's going to go back to Bhutan after another year of working here to stop working or whatever it is
I decide that the kissing window is now.
6.
I persist to get her to sit in the middle seat again. Same response. Refusal.
Victory: I come up with a plan to sit next to her somehow. Thank you to
@ElderPrice for teaching me what it means to experiment
Persist again. Fail. She laughs
She tests me on how I found/approached her as though I was talking to her like I knew her like old friends (WTF did my approach come off that well? It's a test so oh well bs)
Asks me how did I have the guts to approach her
I say she looked very nice so when there are good things u go for them she agrees with me and says she goes for good things she likes too
Me: Why be so scared? Her: I'm also like that
I come up with the idea to move to the middle seat instead and drag her over to the middle seat while I come back to my original seat
7.
I tell her to sit straight. I play around with her a bit in the sense that I have something I'm about to do to her and I just make comments on her sitting position
I use the word "naughty" in reference to something about our current sitting positions
Me: You're so comfortable here right?
Her: Nods mischeiviously
Me: Very very comfortable huh? (As though I'm agreeing with her)
Her: Yes (Under her breath). Nods mischeiviously
Me: Let's see
I shift over to the middle seat in one smooth move. She starts laughing.
I'm right next to her and look her in the eyes playfully and say
Me: Is this comfortable?
Her: Stutters. "I'm hot"
She says she's literally feeling hot, I say she's feeling a different kind of 'hot'
I say her English is good, she disagrees
I whisper in her ear "Can you understand (there's no word here but I try to make her believe there's a word) ?"
Builds some tension
8.
She's leaning back on the seat.
I try to squeeze my hand behind her back and I manage to get halfway. But it's too much friction between her back and the cushioning she's leaning on
Her: What is this?
Me: This is... (pregnant pause) a surprise (widening my eyes) and then laughing out loud
Her: Surprise... Oh... One thing, I really don't like 3 S's... One is surprise... One is suspense... (rambles on about the last S)
Me: (Ignore her) Bend forward
She complies and then I put my arm around her (Fk yeah!)
Me: U don't like surprise?
Her: Shakes her head cunningly
Me: I think u love surprise (as though I totally understand her)
Her: No
Me: Oh yeah
Her: shakes her head cunningly again
Me: Haha, I think u reeaally love suprise
Her: Still resisting
Me: No need to fight
Her: Okay
9.
Me: Yeah!...
Pregnant one second pause
Me: (With my arm around her waist) Ready? (I didn't tell her what's coming so suspense oh yea)
I attempt to drag her to the left with the goal of her ending up on the middle seat. I fail. She's quite heavy
I then say "I know what to do". She's holding on to her phone, I ask her to give it to me
She says her phone in her only friend in my country.
I say to her I think I should turn off the air-conditioning to make her uncomfortable. She says I'm so bad
She says what u gonna do turn off everything "the lights?"
I say "I'm gonna turn off ur brain"
Her: Wait, u can't do that?
Me: (Whisper and look in her eyes dominantly) I think I can (Smile as though I'm going to destroy her)
I turn off the air-conditioning. She opens the window of her car seat to rebel against me. I say that's not going to do anything, it's even hotter outside. She closes the window back up.
I go back to turn the air-conditioning. Coincidentally it's rewarding her and creating some ok u cooperate with me I cooperate with u frame
We do some light talk about how masks are irritating
10.
I start putting my hand on her upper arm. Using the logic that she says my hands are cold, which they are
And she's feeling hot so oh I guess that's gonna cool her down
LMAO
I start rubbing her across her back and across both her arms. The gown she's wearing is completely sleeveless
I try this motion where I lightly hover my finger over the hairs of the skin on both her arms, and she shivers and claps her hands together twice to dispel the chills that are running through her body
I start putting my hand on her thigh
She tests me: "What are we doing here? (As in in my car)"
I deflect saying that we don't have to worry about anything, it's more comfortable to be in my car bla bla some non-answer
Somewhere around here I remember from my notes:
Mutual escalation
So I put her hand on my thigh, then I put her hand around my shoulder, and she's quite willing to do it but she says her arm is too small which is true
I say she's just sitting in this really uncomfortable position, so I adjust her and she cooperates and I manage to get her resting comfortably with my arm around her shoulder
We start some light conversation about my full name and her full name, both of which we don't even know yet LOL!!
At somewhere along these steps I run my hand through her hair at the back of her head, this is to set up the manhandle kiss, and the manhandle kiss went quite well:
1. My plan was to first get to the stage where I had my arm around her shoulder. By this point in the interaction, I had successfully managed to do that
2. The second part of the plan is to be able to get my other hand around the line of her jaw that is facing away from me and face her face upwards after which I plant the a kiss on her
11. The manhandle kiss goes successfully
So I had my hand around her shoulder, and then I did the above. I nearly missed her lips. But I managed to get a very light peck on her lips before she sort of managed to get her head shifted away.
At this point I was like FK YEAAAAHHHH!! This is the first mouth-to-mouth kiss I've had in my entire life. What a circumstance to be experiencing it though.
For the people who read my one of my field reports in April, there was this girl who I tried to manhandle into a mouth-to-mouth kiss 8 times and I failed all 8 times. I kissed that girl on the chin but not on the lips. So this was literally my first kiss
That's how I knew to plan to sneakily get my arm across her schoulder first, then let her be comfortable enough with my other hand on her jaw.
After I kissed her the first time
Her: Wait... why?
Me: (Ignore her) YEESS. (Said passionately)
I make a mistake here and go back in for the second kiss immediately. I'm was just very excited at this stage haha
I go for it again, and she resists again like the first time but once again I do manage to get a light peck on her lips
Afterwards
Me: Is it wet?
Her: I don't know, I don't know
Me: (Laughing) U don't know? (Teasing her)
We keep repeatedly saying "Me: U don't know?" "Her: I don't know" back and forth
12.
Me: But it's sooo nice (referring to the kiss)
Her: she laughs, like now she's fully sure that I know that she wants sex, and that sex is my goal
She evaluates me more
Test: Her: "How old are u by the way?"
Me: I think I told u already right?
Her: U never have...
Me: Oh! Ok... Yea...
Her: How old are u? (In a very evaluative tone) (Should I not have given her an answer here?)
Me: Twenty two
Her: You're way to young to (some word I don't understand)
Me: Sorry?
Her: Yea... (Mockingly)
Me: I can't hear what u just said
Her: You're like younger than me, I'm your sister, ur my younger brother
Me: Just ramble about how we're having such a good time and "we just... KNOW" (this is my attempt to keep myself in the lover frame)
Her: I KNOW (Wow she actually said this only realised after listening to recording)
Me: Yeah! Just lean back. Don't worry.
Not sure if I tried to kiss her again at this point
Me: U like to lean back right?
Her: Can't comprehend what was said here
Throughout these first 2-3 kisses, she doesn't kiss back whatsoever
She says again that I'm very cool and that she's very hot. This is probably her try to give me an excuse to escalate on her. But I couldn't tell not sure what this really means I say that boys hands are cold and that she will like it
She just keeps going on about how cool/cold I am very wierd
We have another light conversation about this
I try to kiss her again, she goes wait wait wait wait wait, and she still doesn't kiss back
13.
Her: What is this?
Me: What is what?
She does some girly thing and laughs. I think she's referring to me trying to kiss her
Me: It's quite nice right? Yea I think... U know what? Try it, u've never tried before? (referring to the kiss, this is obviously just big fat BS that she hasn't kissed cold approachers before but just go along with it whatevs)
Her: No. (Wow, the lies are blatant)
Me: Ok.
She's now not leaning into me but sitting perpendicular to the back seat cross-legged facing me
Now we are kissing each other across with our heads looking much more straight at each other
I move in and peck her at least 6 times, may have been too many times. She doesn't kiss back
Her: Wait
Me: Relax
Her: Relax (Mirroring me)
This part is said in a very soft voice
Her: She says a word I don't understand. Laughs once
Me: (Word Idk) meanss?
Her: I don't know
Me: U don't know? What language is that?
Her: This is the slang
Bla bla. Who cares some light chat
14.
I stare blankly but deeply into her eyes
Her: U ok?
Me: No (joking)
Her: Are u ok? Ok? I take u to hospital
She tries to patronise me. I suspect it's because she sees I'm trying hard to seduce her and she knows she's deliberately not fully cooperating with me
I act unfazed and use self-deprecating humor and use my feminine side to act as though I'm hurt by her words and play along with her drama
I just say nothing and keep silent and keep looking at her blankly but stare into her eyes dominantly
She breaks the silence
Her: What? (Pause) Why? (Pause) No (Pause) Let's go home ( Longer pause) Ah let's go somwhere else and have a coffee
Me: I don't think so
Me: U want to go?
Her: Ya! Coffee!
Me: I think this is so much better
Her: U said right. So we'll meet for coffee (during the cold approach) and then I'm here so Sunday u'r busy
Silence from me. I kiss her again. Pretty sure it's not manhandle just me moving in and her not moving and letting me peck her lips
Her: Why?
Me: So (pause) sticky (referring to her lips) Oh... I like it
Her: She smacks her lips
Me: Mhmm
We make some funny noises with our lips and laugh about the stickiness
Some very long pause happens here with no sound from the recording, I think I just staring into her eyes
Her: Let's go and have some coffee and then...
Silence from me. Very long silence like what happened previously
15.
This is where I am really impressed myself. The silences were because I was thinking of how to break this girl's barrier's down further because she wasn't kissing me back. Based on Franco's car sex advice on the tactics and techniques forum you need to wait for her to be giving u tongue before u try some further escalation but she wasn't even kissing me back, but honestly this doesn't even apply because we're already in the back seat wow
the pull really couldn't have gotten any fking better. But still she's not reciprocating my kisses.
So I thought on my feet and came up with an answer:
If she's not desirous enough, to kiss me back, I'm going to make her desirous enough to kiss me back based on the notes that I took about escalation before I went on the date
Writing this field report now: My answer is WTF do I even need her to kiss me back?
If anyone is reading this report, what do ya'll think is the right answer?
Not to come off as bragging, but I'm really proud of myself for this. Because I DEFEATED MYSELF, and I pushed the limits beyond what the limits seemed they were
16.
Her: (Snaps her fingers at me because I'm looking into her even more deeply due to my newfound determination) Are u ok?
Because of my new found determination and plans, I suddenly had the sexual smile of a madman on my face
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Her: Hey. You... Don't scare me ok... Like... Are u in drugs? (Because of my facial expression HAHAHA)
Me: Maybe
Her: Really?! (Playing along)
Me: I think there's one drug... Natural drug...
Her: You're so scary... when u say natural drug
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I say some shit about her looking nicer without lipstick, she says she's not wearing then idk why her lips are so sticky, honestly I think she lied,
"her looking nicer without lipstick": I follow this up with "That's why I'm taking it off (kissing the lipstick off of her)"
Start kissing her again, with the naughty frame of kissing her lipstick off of her
I peck her passionately twice, (the recorder captures my tone of voice as though I'm eating her up)
She gives some helpless wail "No!" as she breaks from my lips for air and tries to resist
Then I manhandle her again and just keep kissing her
She keeps saying she doesn't have lipstick because of her mask. I stop the argument and say "Maybe ur lips are just nice"
She says in a very cranky sore loser tone because I manhandled her: "Ah no its not nice"
To any experienced person who is reading this report, do you think that she's the kind of girl who's biggest barrier to sex is kissing, I can't tell
17.
She starts murmuring to herself about what just happened and it rationalizing it or something. From what I remember it seemed like she was thinking holy fk this guy is nuts and does whatever the fk it takes
I'm literally basking in pride at that point in time
I look at the time
Me: Yeah it's not even been 1 hour... by the way
(Holy shit mind-blowing)
Her: So we go to coffee shop and drink... (Said more weakly than before)
Me: (I squeal) No! Waste time
Her: She mocks my squeal like a sore child
She starts pretending to pack up some of her stuff, and takes her hand bag from the front seat. She tries to play some music that is definitely not acoustic.
I yield to her and attempt to play her music from my phone. And use a very consoling voice on her.
I give her my phone to type in a song on youtube and she fking plays something really loud to destroy the atmosphere fking hell
I said acoustic and then she plays Fking Bruno Mars pop FK!!!
I reach for my phone and she holds it away from me preventing me from taking my phone back. I decide not to fight we her for my phone
I just start slowly taking my shoes off
Her: Don't take off ur shoes.
Me: It's my car
Her: I know it's ur car, but I'm saying don' take of ur shoes (as though she's afraid of what's gonna happen next)
Me: Ignore her and continue to take them off
I get a bit frustrated at the song, and I take my phone back from her and stop the song
I mildly snap at her regarding asking her what song she wants, lol mistake again
She's getting testy, and aloof
So I decide to slide back to my end of the back seat and then from there I spread my thighs wide and my knee touches her knee
I shift such that i put my right foot over her thighs
Recorder records something about leg positioning, I can't remember
So beyond this point, I'm shortening the content of the field report to not have to document so much conversation
The military-format date-looking numbers are the timings of the audio file of the phone recording
In chronlogical order,
She pretends trying to leave the car
032210 I start to rub her belly, I touch her thighs for the first time. I take the phone from her hands
We do some light chatter. I start kissing her jaw and neck and down to her collarbone, I start kissing down into her breast
I try stimuating her using the technique of tracing circles around her nipples simply over her gown and bra with my fingers,
and her nipples get hard. And I stimulate her I'll she's smiling hornily. She shuts the fk up.
First time I touched a breast in my entire life!!!
Major fk up point: I tell her to tie up her hair back and she says no. And then I forget to persist on this making my kissing
escalation a lot harder, with her hair getting everywhere.
032933 I get her horny enough to admit she's bad, she says she not a good girl and she's a bad girl, just slowly by kissing down into her cleavage
She's trying to resist but she just can't bring herself to leave the car
033425 Now she's leaning with her back onto my chest and I'm honestly not that sure what to do at this stage, I just keep rubbing her breast in circles with my fingers
We shift out of that position and bad to her original because she's feeling a lot of desire because I'm circling her nipples so much that
and I point it out to her and I say I'm also hard too and and then I put her hand over my dick
033504 I go for the kiss again, and she pleads with me "no I don't want to kiss" (like she sounds like some person I have complete control over where I've really got her by the balls
like she sincerely for one sentence pleaded with me not to carry on the kissing with her),
but then she gives me a quick kiss for the first time
Silence. She's leaning forward onto the driver's seat looking to the left (the reason she's leaning forward is so that I can't kiss her or stimulate her nipples) and I go in
and lean forward as well and go really close to her face and stare her in the eyes and then I kiss her again
033537 Test: U don't have girlfriend? Me: non-answer the usual
I try to pull the left shoulder strap of her gown down her arm and she says no. Honestly the nos she's giving me don't really sound like firm nos
I put my foot over her thighs.
I just keep stimulating her nipples. Occasionally try to kiss her neck and down to her cleavage again
033923 I move down to rub her belly again, using the Alek's order again
034429 The positions progress to her leaning onto my chest with her back and me just trying to stimulate her over her gown
Manhandle kiss her again
034530 Peck and peck and peck and break down her defense she's slowing starting to reciprocate one or 2 kisses
Some of this is from the position with her leaning her back onto me. She's still frustrated about me kissing her
I tried to get her to sit on my lap and carry her. I'm not strong enough to carry her
034847 I try to rub her pussy and lower belly and I manage to sort of rub her pussy and belly
034925 Kiss her again, she slowly weakening in her resistance and she reciprocates one or twice with a quick peck back
I put her hand on my chest and then slowly drag it down to my body. I'm not used to a girl's touch she can tell I'm shivering
and I'm feeling ticklish when I drag her hand over my belly and stomach
035037 She says my breast is bigger than hers. I say "want to find out?". This is where I fuck up because I didn't have a plan of how many of her clothes
I want to take off and exactly how many of my clothes I want to take off. I knew I wanted to have sex but I did not and still do not know how to take
off her clothes
I hesitate and don't get to taking my shirt off. And this is how I fuck up we don't end up taking any clothes off throughout the rest of the date
She kisses me once then she said "seriously, I'm scared"
Then I go in for the kiss again and then we make out. I'm too excited about the make out so I fk it up. By allowing it to last too long I think. She's
using very little tongue during the makeout
First make-out in my life!!! Woohoo!
I get hard. I put her hand on my dick. I follow what
@Seppuku said on
@ElderPrice's journal "My good friend". She refuses to do anything with my dick but
acknowledges its hardness. But this has quite a big long-term impact on her. She says "I cannot" in some pretend-to-be-disgusted way
035230 Suddenly, she whacks me with this "u little boy" test. Which I don't let get to me so much during the date thankfully. But
its an insult that really gets under my skin. I'm actually not sure what she's referring to over here, my dick size is prob slightly smaller than average,
but I manage to brush it out of my mind well enough. Dk whether she's referring to my dick size here.
The dick size one doesn't really get to me, the thing that gets to me is little boy in the sense that I don't have sexual experience
I hammer her test by shrugging and smiling like an asshole. Because of the fact that I understood her and any girl completely. This is the first time I've
seen a woman this way and it's a huge victory that confirms the whole world perspective that I inherited from GC. So I smile back at her saying oh yeah I'm
bloody-fking right and all those blind guys who chase girls long-term are wrong
We just stare into each other eyes for like 15-30 seconds
I start kissing down her chin again all the way down into her cleavage and licking her breast a bit and she starts moaning something in Bhutanese
Like she's in pleasure
035400 She tries some boyfriend bullshit where she leans over my thighs and pretends to be sleeping. She's leaning forward with the front of her chest facing mt thighs
so that it's hard for me to escalate on her breasts. Great opportunity to run my hands over her more. I run my hand over her butt. I think at this stage I rub her pussy
for the first time. First time rubbing pussy!
Just keep going round her nipple in circles
035641 I tell her that I need to go soon and then she says that she also needs to go soon
She just lies there and I tell her to sit up and she says no but slides up to lean her shoulders on my chest so her head is nearer my face and
then I kiss her once deeply and she also kisses me back
She sits up and and go in for the kiss again peck her 3 times and then she starts the make out by opening her mouth more but she throughout this whole makeout she does not use
her tongue more than 3 times. I try some interesting stuff like using my lips to kiss her tongue when I got the opportunity
Once again I think I enjoyed the make out too much, and I broke it off slightly late but not too late
but I did break it off at an emotional height that was earlier than in my first makeout
This makeout lasted about 30 seconds
035923 We makeout again but she still doesn't use her tongue so much. Third makeout lasts about 40 seconds. So I learnt that I get really hard when I makeout with girls
I realised that I wasn't going to get very much further with using her tongue in making out so I put my hand on my very hard dick a second time.
She can feels its hardness. But at the same time, she tries to derail this by, trying to focus on my wallet that is in my left pocket that is quite close to my dick but not that close
I take out my wallet and keys from my pocket and throw them aside.
040100-040300
She runs her fingers lightly over the hairs on the skin of my waist and I shiver at her touch and she can probably tell that I'm getting
quite excited, because well WTF first time in my fking life!!
She starts rubbing and caresssing my dick from outside my pants and gripping my pants to feel the shape of my dick. But then this is another place where I fk up
because all she was doing was gripping and caressing my dick but not trying to open my pants or anything
I didn't know if what I was supposed to do at this stage was just wait for something to happen. So what I did was lean over and start kissing her chin and her neck
as well.
And then she stops caressing my dick and leans back. So I thought I mean that's fine I'm not like desperate for a BJ or HJ if she not that keen to give me one so
I thought I'll just escalate on her anyways so I reach back to the back of her gown. And this is where the really embarassing fk up happens. I've never taken off
a bra before and I don't know how to take off her bra. FFFFKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!
So at this point, it's clear as fking day that I'm not very experienced
AND THEN she utters some word I can't fully hear but it's some form of the word "experience" and then she LAUGHS. Holy fk can it can more triggering!?
040300
The facial expressions on my face, however, I could feel were not very badly affected by her remark for some reason,
I think I had quite a bit of adrenaline so that saved my ass, by keeping my facial expression steel
So I manage to remain unfazed. I'm so proud of this
But I'm laughing as well so I suppose I'm partially submitting to her frame
Then I try to go for her bra hook again. Now I know it's her bra hook
Then she just says "No.". So I stop.
From here, the date starts getting crazier. But for some Martian-fking reason, I MANAGE TO KEEP MY COOL THROUGHOUT
Like a fking champ, proudest moment of my life. One of the most at least...
She's testing me because she knows I'm inexperienced. But actually now I think about it. It's damn fking clear that I'm
inexperienced. Honestly, from now on, whenever I can sense that a girl knows that I'm inexperienced, NOW I know what that
means is that she REALLY likes me. Because if not WTF would she bother? So I'm only going to push harder
040300
I say nothing and go for the kiss again
Her: Sigh... Let's go. (Mutters that she needs to go somewhere)
I just shrug and stare at her with some mad, flirty, mocking smile on my face for about 40 seconds
I manage to do this because in my mind its like this girl doesn't even know that she's my first kiss, so
I found that funny AF
As I'm staring at her, she starts snapping her fingers at me because she's wondering how I have such a mad facial expression
It gets even more fking ridiculous, I only remember this part because of the recording. I'm still pushing so proud
040400
I go for mutual escalation again. I start taking her hand and running it across my chest and my belly and my neck
And I think somewhere along this, I feeling really ticklish haha and she can sense that I'm excitement and perhaps that's
turning her on? IDK
At some point, where I'm running her hand across me, she makes a facial experession of her whole face squeezing up as though
there's REALLY a lot of desire in her that she's bottling up and then TWICE she grabs some flesh on my chest and pinches it hard
She leans into me a bit more and is more cooperative with rubbing my chest
I point to my neck and say "suck me"
Her: Really? U want to have a mark?
I say no just lightly, then she kisses my neck a bit
I go for her bra again
I say "Teach me how to take out"
She's exclaims: "No...!" but her tone sounds as though she really wants me to take it out
040511 Major escalation window I miss
Then she shifts into this position where she's sitting with her back facing me with her butt in between both of my thighs.
This is an escalation window that lasts 2min and 45 seconds. She climbs out of this position at the end of the 2min 45 seconds after
I didn't have the guts or the skills to push through with this escalation window
Her: U cannot. U cannot
Me: If not I'll figure it out myself haha
So I figure it out. And I undo her bra hook. She lets me slowly unhook it since she has her back facing me
This is where I royally fk up. Because now I don't know what to do. FFFKKKK!
She starts trying to not look slutty by constantly complaining that her bra strap is off and keeps asking me to just put it back
And I get fazed by this, because shit I genuinely believe that she's worried that her bra strap is off. Oh FK me sucks to be a
beginner sigh
At this stage, the thing is that she's still wearing her gown, and in the heat of the moment my mind draws a blank and I don't know
how to gradually undress her. If she was wearing a T-shirt, perhaps I would try to take it off but I didn't know how to handle a gown
I get worried that someone might see us and complain if a car suddenly drives by and see a completely naked person in the back seat
of my car
She starts trying to reach desperately to tie her bra back but I don't help her
And I hesitate and don't know what to do next because of her very seemingly genuine display of worry. I think it was genuine and I needed
to have some really strong leadership at this stage to really turn her on and start escalating despite her concern such that she would get to a stage where she did not give a shit about being slutty or whatever
This genuine display of worry is the first time I've seen such strong anti-slut defense
This worry about getting her bra strap back on was coupled with a major BANG ME request
I really disappointed her at this stage. While she was circling her arms from below to get to her back to try to fix her bra strap back,
she gave me a major signal: Because her bra was behind her gown, she lifted her bum off the seat and lifted her bum off the seat to reach
under her gown to try to redo her bra strap, and then she lifted the back of her gown from down near her knees all the way up to her back,
allowing me to see her tights-like underwear
At this point, I'm freeze up and don't know what to do, it was obviously a very good escalation window and I didn't know what to do
I don't even know what to do at this stage and I just start opening my pants, and I think for too long and then she manages to get her bra
strap back on and then she climbs out of the position
End of escalation window
I will simply follow up on this in a later post where I post some kind of a pre-plan for what to do in such situations
040756 Her patronising and me and testing me even after I failed
This girl is probably still in my car at this stage purely because she likes me a lot
She kisses me to patronise me. ANd just says no a lot of times because I'm still making advances
and I am laughing all the while while I'm still making advances. I think I was really performing in
some optimal state for this date
I try continuously to initiate kisses and escalate and don't give a fuck about anything at all
So at this stage I was facing a a lack of time, I had earlier told my Dad that I would bring the car back at 6pm, it was currently 555pm
I still needed 5 mins to get back to my house, but I knew he was just having a casual dinner so I could be late in bringing the car back to him
So I thought on the spot and came up with my plan:
I would not mention to my girl anything because I theoretically already told her that I had to go, which I wasn't lying about:
So what I decided to was continually persist and make advances on my girl all the way until 610pm beyond which I would just wrap up the date
And that's exactly what I did: I behaved as though nothing changed about my determination , of course later my determination would have to be
withdrawn from my girl because she threw me some pretty mean insults ("tests"), and then I wrapped up the date
I am proud of myself for making such firm plans, and being very certain about what I was doing, in the face of failure and mockery
041000 Patronising and mean tests
She kisses me to patronise me again and pets me somewhere on my body I can't remember
Then she starts leaning over to the front seat to take and pack up her stuff
"Baby..." "Boy..." (In a very mocking tone)
(I mind-blowingly keep my cool) I keep silent and give my neutral resting bitch face and don't laugh
She laughs and tries to make a deal out of her packing up her stuff
She starts commenting on the stuff that I took out of my pocket
I continue to make advances on her and she does that same seductive "no...!" that doesn't really mean no
She declares that she's going somewhere else and opens the car door. I'm currently in the middle seat.
I remain unfazed as I've learnt to do during all my cold approaches when girls have continually threatened
to walk away from me. And use the abundance mentality. As far as I'm concerned at this point in time, I'm a
champ for getting this far
I just laugh as though it's just doesn't even matter where she's going and I follow up with my reason why:
Me: I actually really have to go but...
Her: Huh?! Wha...? What did you say?
She closes the door that she just opened.
I keep silent and don't respond to her and just smile madly
So I try to put her hand on my dick again
She patronises me with a kiss again she says "Ok, take it off take it off..."
And I reacted immediately to her request lol and apparently she was just playing with me
But I remain unfazed about myself reacting to her request in such a needy way. As though it's completely natural
for me to do that or something
She laughs at me
She says she's kidding just put on everything. At this point I have my pants unbuttoned but I haven't taken off my boxers
So I don't listen to her request and leave my pants in that state
I still keep making advances on her wow! trying to take off her bra again!
Then she gets out of the car. Because I'm not complying with her request to follow her to whereever she wants to go
Once she's out of the car, she shuts the door and waits outside the car. She walks from the outside part of one of the
car's backdoors to the opposite side of the car's backdoor
While she's walking around the car, I'm careful to think in my head, OK looks like I'm finding another girl!
I don't follow her with my eyesas she walks around the car just remain in thought
She looks into the car at me from the opposite side of the car and I look at her and do the same thing that I did to get
her into the back seat, just beckon with my 4 fingers
She opens the door and asks me to come out
I look at her and say nothing and just smile cunningly because I know it's a test
I just say way less than her in terms of words and she's just is putting so much more into the conversation now
and has much less power than me
After 1-2 minutes of pointlessly trying, she half sits down in the back seat again leaving the door open.
I say to come in and close the door and stop half-halfing
She complies
I put her hand on my dick again lol, running out of moves but who cares its not 610pm yet
She mocks me because when I put her hand on my dick my erection is gone
I still keep persisting
She talks about my family and how I'm doing this in our car
I look at my dick again and look at her, and she mocks me again
Ok, so I'm just trying to persist as much as possible because I promised I would persist until 610pm, and I
do that well
I try to persist again and kiss her again
I flirt with her with my facial expressions, and just shrug even though the escalation I'm doing is not working
Her: This young man... So crazy...
Me: (I just smile at her mockingly as if to say yea I'm crazy) Who cares...?
Her: I care so what... Ur too young...
Her: U have girlfriend right?
Me: (I smile madly) (And laugh)
Her: What are u looking for me for this? It's not a good idea
Me: It's a fantastic idea. It's the most wonderful idea I've had in my entire life (Sarcasm)
Her: SO let me ask one thing
Me: Ask. (as though I give zero shits)
Her: (She laughs) How many girls from other countries u have sex?
Me: I say nothing and smile fking crazily and shrug
Her: Oh my god ur so dangerous
Me: I think u love danger
Her: (Trying to mock me) Did u get angry? aww...
I laugh genuinely. I laugh for quite long
I say nothing at stare at her unfazed and non-needily
At this stage I think, I'm facing my body away from her and doing a takeaway because she getting so testy
I'm actually slightly fazed on the inside but I'm in control over the chaos in my mind
Really long 1 minute silence and I look at her face and she looks really frustrated sort of has some hint of
strong unhappiness and condescension with me. Well that's my fault I disappointed her so definitely understandable
Her: Put on ur pants let's go
I consider it and refuse to put on my pants I shift and orient my body further away from her
I realise that there's no hope for the situation and persisting right now is the wrong thing for me to do
because she's gotten so testy, and because of time limits I have to end the date
It's 608pm and I decide to just keep being unfazed until the end.
She's still mocking me. I was taking it quite personally on the inside.
I start putting on my shoes, and she gets slightly affected by it because it means I'm ending the date
I start to help her pack her stuff too
Her: Young man...
Her: A little boy...
I recall Chase's quote from
@ElderPrice 's journal
Dating is a mating ritual, and when it doesn't end with mating, the male is dismissed as impotent
I come under the impression that I've already lost the game, so immediately after she throws me this "little boy" comment
I look straight at her and , I come to terms with how her comment is affecting me, to get some kind of mental idea
of how insults from future girls I pick up will affect me, and try to feel myself to understand how I'm coping with the
whole situation
Some bitterness about women rises up in me, and then I suddenly think about what I most recently thought about
bitterness
So in my mind, suddenly I thought, from Rob's recommendation of the Traveller's gift, I suddenly had the strength to say
firmly and concisely to myself: I forgive her, I forgive myself.
OH FKING YEAH
Massive advancement of a critical fundamental and a huge step in my emotional development
Once again, I look straight at her and , I come to terms with how her comment is affecting me,
and try to feel myself to understand how my body and mind are coping with the whole situation
I don't care what happened anymore, I just looked at her and remembered my purpose and goals
And she noticed it when I looked into her eyes
It's 610pm and I pull up my pants and stop
My Dad calls me and the my phone rings through the car bluetooth and she can hear the ringing and I answer my Dad and tell
him I'll be back in 15 mins
Nothing much was said beyond this
By I open the car door to beckon her to get out and when I get out of the car, some submissive emotions start
bubbling out in me but I contain them
When I beckon her to get out of my car, she seems quite unhappy to leave but she yields
I want to keep a record for myself that I made a very conscious decision not to be nice to her or yield to her
beyond basic politeness.
I decided to this for anything at all that I do in my life because my goals are my goals. I'm not compromising on
what I believe in for any reason whatsover, even if it mean not being nice to other people.
Honestly, not too sure about what actually was the case, but I think she knew that I was at least slightly affected
by the whole putting down my sexual skills act and she knew that I knew that my sexual skills are not good.
I think what happened was that she really respected me for not surrendering to her portrayal of me in that light
I could easily have said to her at the end that yea my sexual skills are shit. And the me 1 year ago would have
said that. But I'm not that person anymore. And regardless of where my sexual skills go in the future,
I'm so proud that I stood up for myself. Wow.
The end result: Conclusion of the date
I prepare my stuff and open the car door
Me: I have to go
Her: I have to go too
Me: Yeah, I don't know hang on
Me: I'm sorta rushing so yea
Her: She asks me how to go back to the mall, even though I walked her to my car lol, it wasn't even difficult to get to
my car just that no one parks at this car park, maybe she liked me leading her a lot and just completely didn't care
where I led her to. Or maybe it's bullshit to see whether I'll be a nice guy right now
Me: So I just walk less than 10 metres away from my car and she follows me to that spot, no touching whatsoever
I point to the lift lobby we came from and just say take the lift to the first floor. The last thing I do to her is
give her a very neutral look and shrug (as if to say well... I'm impotent... so nothing matters. A bit childish of me
maybe but her mockery was not something I was about to ignore) and immediately start walking back to my car.
I don't even say bye
In the last few words I uttered to her though, her eyes were open quite wide and it seemed like she was quite significantly
afraid. And the nice guy in me may really never forget that look she gave me.
It seemed as though she was afraid because she may not see me again. Who knows?
As I drive out of the carpark as quickly as possible to get home, I drive past the lift lobby at quite a speed but I notice
her looking at me and I look back as well
Based on that look that I got off of her at the end, I thought I'd get in touch with her again lol,
Messaging:
Wed
0017
Me: Hey T I've been thinking about what happened today... Not the best experience but I don't regret a single thing that
I did, how are u feeling?
0028
Her: I'm ok
Her: How are you
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Me: I'm great
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