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AspiringStoic

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Totally agree! I think that improving interpersonal in any field (cold calling, making friends, approaching girls) is challenging because theres always that x factor of people.

When you go through your 30th call of the day with no sales and the guy on the phone says he hates your product and the company scammed his savings away, its not easy to make another call with a real smile on your face. Its even harder if your new and don't have alot of results.

When you make faus paux after faus paux trying to make friends for the first time, its just not a great time.


Typing on a keyboard is easy. Writing in a journal is easy. Going to the gym is easy. For some people, its really hard starting out. But anything interpersonal is twice as hard for other, because again, theres the x factor of people.

Your progress so far is great to see. Your approaching more and consistently more. The next step I would personally take is to start turning those approaches into dates, or at least phone numbers that will turn into dates.

As for how I do that, my process is taken from the last days of the newbie assignment strung together. Its all I know right know.

1. First I stand or sit down next to the girl, ideally close so she can hear me and I can bridge the proximity barrier. I lost most of the girls just by trying to approach to far away.

2. Then I open with “how’s you day going?” or “watcha working on?”, depending on whether their working on something or not

3. After responding, I tell them I think they’re cute and I want to say hi, with a smile on my face near the end of the sentence.

3. Then I introduce myself with "Im [name]" and reach my hand out to shake hands.

4. Then I either small talk or banter first, then weave in a little more banter. If she looked busy, I say "you looked so engrossed I practically had to drag you out of your boring day" or whatever variation of that feels comfortable coming out of my mouth. If not, I'll comment on her clothes and say its a little to early for x scarf or y hat, maybe you know something I don't. Honestly, I love to just add "maybe you know something I don't" to any tease regarding a choice she made. I also use a playful tone.

5. Lastly, I tell her I would love to grab a bite with the her sometime, and ask if she’d like that. I usually ask if I think the conversation is gonna die, or shes into it and asking me quesitons about myself or just talking more in general. When she says yes, I say I'll text her or wait for her to ask for my number. If she asks for my social, f that. I say I don't have any but i can text her. When she starts putting the phone number in, I resume the conversation or ask another question, to make the number grab nonchalent. That way she doesn't remeber you grabbing her number and leaving, but how attracted she was to you. And if everything works, she will definitly be into you.
Thanks for this post.

As for getting numbers, I have been doing that. I just don't mention it here because I just want to quantify one thing at a time here. As of now, my biggest goal is to be able to approach 30+ girls/ week consistently. Once I get there I will work on the next thing.

I have been getting numbers though since August, had a few instant dates as well.
 

AspiringStoic

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Last couple of weeks (28 Oct- 3rd Novemeber) : 5 approaches
And this week (4 November - 9 Novemeber) : 11 approaches

Have not been very good. This is not excusable because these weeks I have had more free time than in the two weeks prior to that, where I racked up 21 and 30 approaches respectively.

I tried to stay away from this forum and the Internet in general as I felt I was spending too much time in front of the screen. But it seems like when I am not reading or checking up on pickup stuff, my motivation to approach is a lot less.

Or rather it feels more "strange" like I am the only one doing it. So maybe its time for some accountability and little bit of a boost. I am thinking of doing a 7 day (1 week challenge) of 4 approaches every day from Monday to get myself back in the thick of things.
 

AspiringStoic

Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Same here, when I'm not posting here I'm more likely to slack off on approaching.
Yeah funny how that works.

I just started a 30 day challenge of approaching 4 girls per day. Its based on an article by Chase here:


To kind of kick start momentum. I think you are also kind of looking to do that. It would be great if you joined me in this challenge.

We could keep each other accountable and motivated. And I think 4 approaches is an ideal number for both of us. Its not beyond our reach, but its a bit of a stretch which makes it great. I just started a new thread in the journals section about it. It would be great if you joined in. 😎
 

gameboy

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Yes, I saw your challenge. I just recently decided to not give myself a numeric goal though, at least for this month. I want to focus more on being present in my interactions and not ejecting too soon.

I did read the report of your first day though, and gotta say I found it inspiring. Keep up the good work!
 
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AspiringStoic

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8 December, 2024

Back here after not being able to complete the 30 day challenge.

However, I of course still intend to go out regularly till the end of the year.

Last week all my approaches were half hearted so I wanted to just get back to doing solid, full fledged approaches today. Managed to do 2.

Approach 1
Really cute lady at crosswalk. Opened with a compliment, she thanked me but was not overly enthusiastic. I just continued the convo and she seemed to contribute a bit more. Then the light turned green and I just wished her a good day and parted ways.

Wanted to do 1 approach where I go for the close and get rejected or get the close just to remove the shackles I was feeling.

Approach 2
Hot, gothic chick walking. Went in stopped her confidently, delivered my direct opener. She loved it. But something instantly told me she was taken. After just 2-3 seconds she made an attempt to leave, I just kept talking and she kind of came back in. But I just went for the close. She told me she had a bf. I wished her a good day and left.

That felt good. After a week I finally did a couple of full fledged approaches.
 

gameboy

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Very nice! Keep going :)

I don't think anyone has ever successfully completed this challenge in the time I've been following the forum. Which is over a year already. So kudos for trying!
 

AspiringStoic

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9 December 2024

Busy day and extremely bad weather. So just did 1 approach. It was semi direct, chatted for a bit but it did not go anywhere.
 

AspiringStoic

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10 December 2024

Bad weather continues. But just took 30 mins out of my schedule and went for a "walk" in a mall and some indoor areas. Did a few indirect opens just to warm up as I was feeling very rusty and inhibited for some reason. And then did 1 direct approach.

Cute girl with nose ring. Complimented her on it and started the convo. She was friendly but had a thick accent and her English was not that great. Spoke for a while and then ejected.

These kind of days feel uneventful. It FEELS like these days where I do very little are useless. But I know they are very important.

A good friend of mine says, if nothing just make sure to go out, that builds a solid habit of going out to approach. I have never seen anyone who regularly goes out to approach for years but has no results or still cannot approach.

So gotta keep plugging away.
 

AspiringStoic

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11 December 2024

Rubber Band Effect

I don't know how else to describe it. But I seem to have experienced a rubber band like effect. You know when you pull a rubber band and stretch it and then it snaps back? Something like that.

I started cold approach slow and steady since around December last year, from just going out, to asking for directions, opinion openers, compliments and finally direct approaches.

Since August, I began really pushing myself and made tremendous progress. But because of the growth I have had, my baseline expectations grew a lot. Recently, I only considered full fledged direct approaches as the only things that count.

I felt like warming up using indirect openers to be below me. I feel all this extra pressure has caused the strected rubber band to snap back.

Recently I have been feeling a lot more resistance to get infield. So I have kind of gone back to the basics and have had to keep my ego aside.

Today as well, just went out for 45 minutes, walked around, did 3 indirect openers and then 1 compliment.

Looking to take all the pressure off and keep it simple and start from the basics.
 

Vibe

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I read through your journal.

You are really at a point you need to shift the focus from yourself and 'doing approaches' to the girl and running the interaction.

Right now it seems that what you do is:

Open => Fluff Talk => Try for close

Your best days seem to be when you follow up the open with a cold read about where she is from, but you could do better. Stack cold reads instead.

But I think you should start focusing on hooking and running the interaction, and doing more seduction and less screening.

So far, the journal seems to be mostly screening and running the numbers. Don't get me wrong, it is good that you are taking action and improving your life, but you can significantly improve your chance by running more game.

Read up on some hooking theory on best ways to do it, but some techniques are:

Make assumptions
Polarized cold reads
DHV stories
Intrigue gambits
Bait and subvert gambits
Teasing
Cocky funny humor
Emotional stimulation stories
Very Light Sex Talk
Physical play
Emotional spiking
Banter
Teasing
etc.

You could probably get more out of your interaction by introducing very light physicality as you talk. Gesticulate with your hands and then occasionally touch her when you make a point. Of course, calibrate and be socially savvy, don't touch her too much, grope her or do anything weird etc. (goes without saying) Also, just a reminder, look at her seductively, keep EC and be expressive. Vary your tonality, but keep it low. Etc. This will all help you hook a higher percentage.

You've beaten approach anxiety or at least minimized it, now shift your focus from approaches to getting laid.
 
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Stark

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11 December 2024

Rubber Band Effect


Recently, I only considered full fledged direct approaches as the only things that count.

I felt like warming up using indirect openers to be below me. I feel all this extra pressure has caused the strected rubber band to snap back.

Recently I have been feeling a lot more resistance to get infield. So I have kind of gone back to the basics and have had to keep my ego aside.

Today as well, just went out for 45 minutes, walked around, did 3 indirect openers and then 1 compliment.

Looking to take all the pressure off and keep it simple and start from the basics.

I totally relate to this—especially the part about skipping indirect/directional openers to warm up.

Awesome to see that you overcame that resistance from ego and did what you wanted.
 

AspiringStoic

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Make assumptions
Polarized cold reads
DHV stories
Intrigue gambits
Bait and subvert gambits
Teasing
Cocky funny humor
Emotional stimulation stories
Very Light Sex Talk
Physical play
Emotional spiking
Banter
Teasing
etc.
If I keep all these in mind, it stifles me and also increases my AA. I do some of these when in set, I don't explicitly write in detail about it here.

But if I go in with these in mind, it makes my interactions worse.
You've beaten approach anxiety or at least minimized it, now shift your focus from approaches to getting laid.
Not beaten it. Minimized it a bit maybe and learned to handle it. But as I wrote in my latest post, the more higher I set my baseline for what I need to do, my AA comes back harder.

I had decided long ago, until I am doing 20+ approaches a week regularly, I will not worry about adding more techniques. And I am not yet there, I have done 20+ approaches here and there but not regularly. I want to first get to doing 20 approaches/week consistently.
 

AspiringStoic

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12 December, 2024
Now that I have taken the pressure off and just concentrating on going out everyday, I am finding it way easier to keep up the consistency.

Despite being a hectic day, I went out today for 30 minutes. Did 2 indirect opens and 1 semi direct opener. Got into a good conversation with a cute girl with glasses. Looking back, I should have gone for the close. For some reason I froze a bit and did not go for it when her bus arrived. I think she was expecting me to.

But anyways I am enjoying this. Going out feels like fun again as I am not heaping massive pressure on myself. Looking to keep it going.
 

AspiringStoic

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13 December, 2024

Today was a packed day. But still just went for a walk and got in a couple of indirect approaches. Its funny how going out was such a big chore before when I had a concrete goal of direct approach x number of girls per day.

Now I go out and my thinking is, I will walk around for at least half an hour and if I see cute girls, I just place myself in their vicinity (kind of a hover). And once I am close to her, the same mind that was fearing the open, starts goading me to talk to the girl. This way, I really don't need too much willpower to go out approaching. I just use my willpower to go out and get near a girl, then my brain starts working in my favor and opening is suddenly not so hard.

Will continue what I am doing for a while, lets see if my consistency drastically improves.
 
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