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Totally agree! I think that improving interpersonal in any field (cold calling, making friends, approaching girls) is challenging because theres always that x factor of people.

When you go through your 30th call of the day with no sales and the guy on the phone says he hates your product and the company scammed his savings away, its not easy to make another call with a real smile on your face. Its even harder if your new and don't have alot of results.

When you make faus paux after faus paux trying to make friends for the first time, its just not a great time.


Typing on a keyboard is easy. Writing in a journal is easy. Going to the gym is easy. For some people, its really hard starting out. But anything interpersonal is twice as hard for other, because again, theres the x factor of people.

Your progress so far is great to see. Your approaching more and consistently more. The next step I would personally take is to start turning those approaches into dates, or at least phone numbers that will turn into dates.

As for how I do that, my process is taken from the last days of the newbie assignment strung together. Its all I know right know.

1. First I stand or sit down next to the girl, ideally close so she can hear me and I can bridge the proximity barrier. I lost most of the girls just by trying to approach to far away.

2. Then I open with “how’s you day going?” or “watcha working on?”, depending on whether their working on something or not

3. After responding, I tell them I think they’re cute and I want to say hi, with a smile on my face near the end of the sentence.

3. Then I introduce myself with "Im [name]" and reach my hand out to shake hands.

4. Then I either small talk or banter first, then weave in a little more banter. If she looked busy, I say "you looked so engrossed I practically had to drag you out of your boring day" or whatever variation of that feels comfortable coming out of my mouth. If not, I'll comment on her clothes and say its a little to early for x scarf or y hat, maybe you know something I don't. Honestly, I love to just add "maybe you know something I don't" to any tease regarding a choice she made. I also use a playful tone.

5. Lastly, I tell her I would love to grab a bite with the her sometime, and ask if she’d like that. I usually ask if I think the conversation is gonna die, or shes into it and asking me quesitons about myself or just talking more in general. When she says yes, I say I'll text her or wait for her to ask for my number. If she asks for my social, f that. I say I don't have any but i can text her. When she starts putting the phone number in, I resume the conversation or ask another question, to make the number grab nonchalent. That way she doesn't remeber you grabbing her number and leaving, but how attracted she was to you. And if everything works, she will definitly be into you.
Thanks for this post.

As for getting numbers, I have been doing that. I just don't mention it here because I just want to quantify one thing at a time here. As of now, my biggest goal is to be able to approach 30+ girls/ week consistently. Once I get there I will work on the next thing.

I have been getting numbers though since August, had a few instant dates as well.
 

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Last couple of weeks (28 Oct- 3rd Novemeber) : 5 approaches
And this week (4 November - 9 Novemeber) : 11 approaches

Have not been very good. This is not excusable because these weeks I have had more free time than in the two weeks prior to that, where I racked up 21 and 30 approaches respectively.

I tried to stay away from this forum and the Internet in general as I felt I was spending too much time in front of the screen. But it seems like when I am not reading or checking up on pickup stuff, my motivation to approach is a lot less.

Or rather it feels more "strange" like I am the only one doing it. So maybe its time for some accountability and little bit of a boost. I am thinking of doing a 7 day (1 week challenge) of 4 approaches every day from Monday to get myself back in the thick of things.
 

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Same here, when I'm not posting here I'm more likely to slack off on approaching.
Yeah funny how that works.

I just started a 30 day challenge of approaching 4 girls per day. Its based on an article by Chase here:


To kind of kick start momentum. I think you are also kind of looking to do that. It would be great if you joined me in this challenge.

We could keep each other accountable and motivated. And I think 4 approaches is an ideal number for both of us. Its not beyond our reach, but its a bit of a stretch which makes it great. I just started a new thread in the journals section about it. It would be great if you joined in. 😎
 

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Yes, I saw your challenge. I just recently decided to not give myself a numeric goal though, at least for this month. I want to focus more on being present in my interactions and not ejecting too soon.

I did read the report of your first day though, and gotta say I found it inspiring. Keep up the good work!
 
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8 December, 2024

Back here after not being able to complete the 30 day challenge.

However, I of course still intend to go out regularly till the end of the year.

Last week all my approaches were half hearted so I wanted to just get back to doing solid, full fledged approaches today. Managed to do 2.

Approach 1
Really cute lady at crosswalk. Opened with a compliment, she thanked me but was not overly enthusiastic. I just continued the convo and she seemed to contribute a bit more. Then the light turned green and I just wished her a good day and parted ways.

Wanted to do 1 approach where I go for the close and get rejected or get the close just to remove the shackles I was feeling.

Approach 2
Hot, gothic chick walking. Went in stopped her confidently, delivered my direct opener. She loved it. But something instantly told me she was taken. After just 2-3 seconds she made an attempt to leave, I just kept talking and she kind of came back in. But I just went for the close. She told me she had a bf. I wished her a good day and left.

That felt good. After a week I finally did a couple of full fledged approaches.
 

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Very nice! Keep going :)

I don't think anyone has ever successfully completed this challenge in the time I've been following the forum. Which is over a year already. So kudos for trying!
 

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9 December 2024

Busy day and extremely bad weather. So just did 1 approach. It was semi direct, chatted for a bit but it did not go anywhere.
 

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10 December 2024

Bad weather continues. But just took 30 mins out of my schedule and went for a "walk" in a mall and some indoor areas. Did a few indirect opens just to warm up as I was feeling very rusty and inhibited for some reason. And then did 1 direct approach.

Cute girl with nose ring. Complimented her on it and started the convo. She was friendly but had a thick accent and her English was not that great. Spoke for a while and then ejected.

These kind of days feel uneventful. It FEELS like these days where I do very little are useless. But I know they are very important.

A good friend of mine says, if nothing just make sure to go out, that builds a solid habit of going out to approach. I have never seen anyone who regularly goes out to approach for years but has no results or still cannot approach.

So gotta keep plugging away.
 
you miss 100% of the shots you don't take

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11 December 2024

Rubber Band Effect

I don't know how else to describe it. But I seem to have experienced a rubber band like effect. You know when you pull a rubber band and stretch it and then it snaps back? Something like that.

I started cold approach slow and steady since around December last year, from just going out, to asking for directions, opinion openers, compliments and finally direct approaches.

Since August, I began really pushing myself and made tremendous progress. But because of the growth I have had, my baseline expectations grew a lot. Recently, I only considered full fledged direct approaches as the only things that count.

I felt like warming up using indirect openers to be below me. I feel all this extra pressure has caused the strected rubber band to snap back.

Recently I have been feeling a lot more resistance to get infield. So I have kind of gone back to the basics and have had to keep my ego aside.

Today as well, just went out for 45 minutes, walked around, did 3 indirect openers and then 1 compliment.

Looking to take all the pressure off and keep it simple and start from the basics.
 

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I read through your journal.

You are really at a point you need to shift the focus from yourself and 'doing approaches' to the girl and running the interaction.

Right now it seems that what you do is:

Open => Fluff Talk => Try for close

Your best days seem to be when you follow up the open with a cold read about where she is from, but you could do better. Stack cold reads instead.

But I think you should start focusing on hooking and running the interaction, and doing more seduction and less screening.

So far, the journal seems to be mostly screening and running the numbers. Don't get me wrong, it is good that you are taking action and improving your life, but you can significantly improve your chance by running more game.

Read up on some hooking theory on best ways to do it, but some techniques are:

Make assumptions
Polarized cold reads
DHV stories
Intrigue gambits
Bait and subvert gambits
Teasing
Cocky funny humor
Emotional stimulation stories
Very Light Sex Talk
Physical play
Emotional spiking
Banter
Teasing
etc.

You could probably get more out of your interaction by introducing very light physicality as you talk. Gesticulate with your hands and then occasionally touch her when you make a point. Of course, calibrate and be socially savvy, don't touch her too much, grope her or do anything weird etc. (goes without saying) Also, just a reminder, look at her seductively, keep EC and be expressive. Vary your tonality, but keep it low. Etc. This will all help you hook a higher percentage.

You've beaten approach anxiety or at least minimized it, now shift your focus from approaches to getting laid.
 
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Stark

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11 December 2024

Rubber Band Effect


Recently, I only considered full fledged direct approaches as the only things that count.

I felt like warming up using indirect openers to be below me. I feel all this extra pressure has caused the strected rubber band to snap back.

Recently I have been feeling a lot more resistance to get infield. So I have kind of gone back to the basics and have had to keep my ego aside.

Today as well, just went out for 45 minutes, walked around, did 3 indirect openers and then 1 compliment.

Looking to take all the pressure off and keep it simple and start from the basics.

I totally relate to this—especially the part about skipping indirect/directional openers to warm up.

Awesome to see that you overcame that resistance from ego and did what you wanted.
 

AspiringStoic

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Make assumptions
Polarized cold reads
DHV stories
Intrigue gambits
Bait and subvert gambits
Teasing
Cocky funny humor
Emotional stimulation stories
Very Light Sex Talk
Physical play
Emotional spiking
Banter
Teasing
etc.
If I keep all these in mind, it stifles me and also increases my AA. I do some of these when in set, I don't explicitly write in detail about it here.

But if I go in with these in mind, it makes my interactions worse.
You've beaten approach anxiety or at least minimized it, now shift your focus from approaches to getting laid.
Not beaten it. Minimized it a bit maybe and learned to handle it. But as I wrote in my latest post, the more higher I set my baseline for what I need to do, my AA comes back harder.

I had decided long ago, until I am doing 20+ approaches a week regularly, I will not worry about adding more techniques. And I am not yet there, I have done 20+ approaches here and there but not regularly. I want to first get to doing 20 approaches/week consistently.
 

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12 December, 2024
Now that I have taken the pressure off and just concentrating on going out everyday, I am finding it way easier to keep up the consistency.

Despite being a hectic day, I went out today for 30 minutes. Did 2 indirect opens and 1 semi direct opener. Got into a good conversation with a cute girl with glasses. Looking back, I should have gone for the close. For some reason I froze a bit and did not go for it when her bus arrived. I think she was expecting me to.

But anyways I am enjoying this. Going out feels like fun again as I am not heaping massive pressure on myself. Looking to keep it going.
 

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13 December, 2024

Today was a packed day. But still just went for a walk and got in a couple of indirect approaches. Its funny how going out was such a big chore before when I had a concrete goal of direct approach x number of girls per day.

Now I go out and my thinking is, I will walk around for at least half an hour and if I see cute girls, I just place myself in their vicinity (kind of a hover). And once I am close to her, the same mind that was fearing the open, starts goading me to talk to the girl. This way, I really don't need too much willpower to go out approaching. I just use my willpower to go out and get near a girl, then my brain starts working in my favor and opening is suddenly not so hard.

Will continue what I am doing for a while, lets see if my consistency drastically improves.
 

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2024 Year In Review!

This year has been a great year for me in terms of approaching. Went from being terrified and just doing directions and indirect opens to full fledged direct game. I just want to document some of my successes and where I am at right now.

Solo Approaching
I had done direct game before but always with a wing. What is most pleasing about this year is that I have been able to do all the approaching SOLO!

I love the freedom that going out alone and being able to meet girls gives me. This is the ultimate freedom from every rule, norm and limitation that society as a whole imposes on dating. No need to rely on bars, clubs, online dating, social circle etc. You just walk out of your house with just the clothes on your back and go meet girls that you find attractive. There is something so primally empowering about this, I think it has improved my self esteem, my self love, my life satisfaction and really made me more able to be myself and more authentic as I have become less dependent on the approval of society as a whole.

Funnily, the more comfortable you are with doing your own thing and not caring about fitting in, the more I seem to fit in and the more people want to be around me. 😀

Phone numbers

This year I got plenty of numbers, for the first 15 or so numbers, I did not even follow up with them. There was a reason for this. I had finally built up momentum and was feeling great about being able to approach consistently. I knew that if I started texting the numbers and got ghosted or flaked on, it would destroy my confidence and make me stop approaching altogether.

So for the first 15 numbers, I just came home and deleted the numbers. This also helped a lot with my sense of abundance. To most average guys, a girl giving her number to them is a momentous event that is rare. But being able to just dispense with the numbers I got without worrying gave me a great sense of abundance and helped me focus on 1 thing at a time which at that time was just approaching consistently.

Texting, Ghosting and Dates
Finally, I was ready to move on to the next stage and started texting my numbers. As expected a lot of them did not reply, replied for a while and then went dead and some just did not work out as they were travelling etc.

But I did get a couple of instant dates as well as a regular date that I ended up going on 2 dates with. On that second date I had ample chances to make a move but I did not really feel primally attracted to her and I felt I was just trying to kiss her as a cold approach milestone and not because I felt attracted to her. So I ended up not kissing her and although she seemed keen and texted me even after the second date, I stopped pursuing that lead which brings me to my next point.

Being friends with girls and having choice.
I was very surprised by my own actions, when I stopped pursuing that girl who seemed keen. Previously, I would have out of neediness pursued any girl who seemed interested in me. But this time I felt I deserved more, I deserved a girl that I was genuinely attracted to and I was able to NOT pursue a sub optimal lead because I KNEW I could just go out and meet more girls and that there would definitely be other girls around.

Also, due to my new found ability to meet new girls, I felt I could be genuine friends with other girls in my life. Previously a lot of my friendships with girls always carried a hidden romantic/sexual agenda. But now due to the sense of non-neediness and abundance that cold approach gives me, I actually can have attractive girls who are just friends and whom I have no agenda with as I have other girls that I am pursuing sexually. I notice that this quality has also made me way more carefree and fun in my social circles and a lot more girls want to spend time around me.

30 Day Challenge
I attempted Chase's 30 day challenge of approaching 4 girls per day. I could not complete it and had to stop by Day 13. But those 13 days or so taught me a lot. In those roughly two weeks of doing the challenge, I got more phone numbers than I had ever gotten in a two week period.

It taught me about the randomness invloved in cold approach, it taught me how you need to have internal mental discipline to take right action despite what your emotions are saying on any particular day and it also taught me the monumental role that MOMENTUM plays in cold appraoch.

At no other time did I have such calmness, comfort and ease with approaching as I did from around Days 5 onwards of that challenge. I realized your brain seeks familiarity. If you approach everyday, your brain becomes familiar with the activity and then it does not act up as much. And when you really are comfortable approaching, magic happens, interactions go smoothly, you are non needy, you are in flow, you are in that sweet spot.

Now this brings me to my biggest sticking point that I need to work on to get me to the next level.

My Current Biggest Sticking Point
If there is one thing, I want to work and conquer in 2025 that would get me great success, its this:

"The ability to approach regularly (ideally daily)"

Yup! That is it. Nothing fancy or technical. Its just about doing proper full fledged approaches where I am playing to win on a regular basis. If I can do 20+ approaches on a weekly basis, week in and week out without breaks and gaps, that would take me to the next level which for me is to be able to get dates regularly from cold approach.

Volume is absolutely essential in what I do, which is pure cold apprach in malls, bus stops, metro stops, on the street etc.

No IOIs, no pre screening, no looking for AIs, nothing....

Just see a girl you find attractive and go open. This just logically involves a lot of randomness. Girls who are taken, married, busy, not in the mood, just had a break up etc....

So volume and doing at least 20+ opens a week and close to 100 a month is essential to get dates regularly. Now having said that, I think from what I have seen for most average guys (myself included) the biggest barrier separating them from dating success is this inability to approach enough girls regularly.

Solutions!?
Trying a 30 day challenge is an obvious soultion. I did try it and while it worked short term, I was not able to continue it.

The weight and burden of knowing I needed to do 4 direct cold approaches every day put a huge willpower cost on me and made me anxious right from the morning.

Many days, after finishing work late, I felt huge resistance as the thought of doing 4 approaches seemed daunting. I was not in the mood many days and I had to push through!

While I did do that for a while, it had a sort of a rubber band effect. Then for a few weeks I developed an aversion to approaching, my AA shot up, it felt like I had regressed. All that pushing through the resistance with sheer willpower seemed to have formed many negative associations in my brain about approaching.

I had a slump because of this in the beginning of December. I had to go back to basics and start with doing simple indirect openers again. But now over the last few days, I have slowly got back into it.

I feel good about approaching again. And the reason I think is that I have been using a new counter intuitive strategy. But I don't want to write about it yet. Will see how it goes for a few more weeks and then make a post about it.

Till then happy new year to all you guys who might read this. Lets make sure to crush all our dating goals in 2025! 😍😎
 

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Solo Approaching
I had done direct game before but always with a wing. What is most pleasing about this year is that I have been able to do all the approaching SOLO!

I love the freedom that going out alone and being able to meet girls gives me. This is the ultimate freedom from every rule, norm and limitation that society as a whole imposes on dating. No need to rely on bars, clubs, online dating, social circle etc. You just walk out of your house with just the clothes on your back and go meet girls that you find attractive. There is something so primally empowering about this, I think it has improved my self esteem, my self love, my life satisfaction and really made me more able to be myself and more authentic as I have become less dependent on the approval of society as a whole.
This is a BIG win. Every successful player who regularly lays girls from daygame prefers to go SOLO.

My Current Biggest Sticking Point
If there is one thing, I want to work and conquer in 2025 that would get me great success, its this:

"The ability to approach regularly (ideally daily)"

Yup! That is it. Nothing fancy or technical. Its just about doing proper full fledged approaches where I am playing to win on a regular basis. If I can do 20+ approaches on a weekly basis, week in and week out without breaks and gaps, that would take me to the next level which for me is to be able to get dates regularly from cold approach.

Volume is absolutely essential in what I do, which is pure cold apprach in malls, bus stops, metro stops, on the street etc.

No IOIs, no pre screening, no looking for AIs, nothing....

Just see a girl you find attractive and go open. This just logically involves a lot of randomness. Girls who are taken, married, busy, not in the mood, just had a break up etc....

So volume and doing at least 20+ opens a week and close to 100 a month is essential to get dates regularly. Now having said that, I think from what I have seen for most average guys (myself included) the biggest barrier separating them from dating success is this inability to approach enough girls regularly.

I love that you keep your goal simple enough for your subconscious to bite at. Reading this reminds me to simplify my goal.


While I did do that for a while, it had a sort of a rubber band effect. Then for a few weeks I developed an aversion to approaching, my AA shot up, it felt like I had regressed. All that pushing through the resistance with sheer willpower seemed to have formed many negative associations in my brain about approaching.

I had a slump because of this in the beginning of December. I had to go back to basics and start with doing simple indirect openers again. But now over the last few days, I have slowly got back into it.

I feel good about approaching again. And the reason I think is that I have been using a new counter intuitive strategy. But I don't want to write about it yet. Will see how it goes for a few more weeks and then make a post about it.

Till then happy new year to all you guys who might read this. Lets make sure to crush all our dating goals in 2025! 😍😎

You have touched upon an interesting point.

Mr.Rob from this forum talked about the concept of Moral Licensing. See if this concept applies in your case. It was a key insight that helped me overcome periods of slump.

All the best for 2025!
 

AspiringStoic

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This is a BIG win. Every successful player who regularly lays girls from daygame prefers to go SOLO.



I love that you keep your goal simple enough for your subconscious to bite at. Reading this reminds me to simplify my goal.




You have touched upon an interesting point.

Mr.Rob from this forum talked about the concept of Moral Licensing. See if this concept applies in your case. It was a key insight that helped me overcome periods of slump.

All the best for 2025!
Thanks a lot for the reply. The moral licensing concept was eye opening!! Never heard of it before. It makes so much sense.

I have definitely experienced this before especially when I get a small success like a date or a few numbers. I have also experienced this in other areas like health and fitness.

I don't think this slump after attempting the 30 day challenge was moral licensing though. It was willpower exhaustion I think.

When it comes to approaching, basically what happens with me is a conflict between the pre frontal cortex which represents my long term goals and which definitely wants to go out and approach and my hind (lizard) brain which experiences the fear and comes up with all the excuses. Of course the hind brain is way stronger. I fight it with willpower but day in and day out willpower varies. So that is why consistency has been a problem.

I have been trying out a new strategy which helps me trick my hindbrain rather than having to fight it. Let me field test it some more before I post anything about it though.
 

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Thanks a lot for the reply. The moral licensing concept was eye opening!! Never heard of it before. It makes so much sense.

I have definitely experienced this before especially when I get a small success like a date or a few numbers. I have also experienced this in other areas like health and fitness.

I don't think this slump after attempting the 30 day challenge was moral licensing though. It was willpower exhaustion I think.

When it comes to approaching, basically what happens with me is a conflict between the pre frontal cortex which represents my long term goals and which definitely wants to go out and approach and my hind (lizard) brain which experiences the fear and comes up with all the excuses. Of course the hind brain is way stronger. I fight it with willpower but day in and day out willpower varies. So that is why consistency has been a problem.

I have been trying out a new strategy which helps me trick my hindbrain rather than having to fight it. Let me field test it some more before I post anything about it though.

I'm glad that concept was of help to you.

Curious to hear your new strategy once you field test
 
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