Altair's journey, lets give it another go, help appreciated.

[Grand Pooba]

Stepped into the Trader Joes, initially was kind of a let down, not a lot of hot girls there so I went about my business. Ran into this one brunette milf and wanted to talk but didn't talk, bleh! Later on towards the end saw her with her husband who was a Samoan looking guy so I guess ethnic men can score lol!

Went through and passed by a brunette milf with curly hair who yelled "oh come on!". I looked back a bit shocked and amazed, she looked back smiling, but then said they are out of some protein bars. I tell her I have addictions too and it can suck lol. Think I noticed her leaning in too but I was far away, once again, dammit!

But fucking shit I left that fucking interaction too early, I need to stop doing that!!!!

Later on ran into this one chick with a nice tight body and cute face, she was buying fruit and I told her I am going to look too to see what kind of a price they have. She said "you're good you're good" in a way to let me know all was good.

Time passes by fast so I go over to the check out line, same brunette is in front, talk to her.

Me: Nutella is so legit of a snack
Her: Oh my god like I know right!
Me: Yes, I am trying to cut for beach time so I cannot have it but that is such a guilty pleasure
Her: Well you look okay you can get one
Me: You're so sweet, so hows your day going?
Her: So good, I went over to talk to my mom today because its mothers day
Me: I have to wish mines a happy mothers day! Thanks for reminding me
Her: Oh no problem! (smiling)

Then it was her turn to check out and we stopped talking.

So no luck today and it seemed to lack attractive women today as well, might have to try for another week. Until then I might head out tomorrow if I get the chance and go more direct with an approach, really need a number close soon.

Ah dude! The brunette milf was totally into you! Both times in fact - first time when she yelled oh come on and was smiling at you (what you witnessed is one way that girls open guys, by the way) and the second time she was also into you.

Notice how both times you reached an endpoint in conversation but felt like things were unresolved - there's sexual tension in the air!

The girl expects the guy to lead, so lead you must.

From both points you can easily transition into either an instant date by asking her "what are you doing later?" She may give a concrete plan like "im going to meet my friend" or "im going to a movie" or "im going to XYZ event" but.... if she responds with something that sounds like she's not that busy - they'll never say they're totally free, but they'll usually say something cancellable like "oh im going home to watch my tv show" or "im running errands" or "i might go for a run later" then you invite her to a plan instantly! Say something like "I want to grab coffee at XYZ, why don't you join me? It's right down the street". You must already have a place in mind.

If she has concrete plans already then go for number pull. "I'd love to meet with you later, you seem like cool people. Do you have your phone on you?" If she says yes, "great let's trade." if she says no, "cool, i have mine, let's trade." It's a false choice .

In this case I think she was looking to fuck you that same day. She definitely was attracted to you. Didn't sound like she had many plans. Notice how she qualified you '"you look okay so you can get one" Translation: "I think you look hot, ask me out."

You're going to get so much pussy, man.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Some feeling came over me today that I cannot explain but it was like this almost excitement and borderline affinity of wanting to approach some girls. I just wanted to go up to a girl today that I cross paths with today and say "hi whats up?" (decent enough approach right guys?).

Went out and it was a wasteland, guess because its Monday, mostly older people, couples, and some others out.

Walked around and saw a cute blonde from a distance away but right ahead of her was a fucking family of slow people wearing Ohio St gear. I was waiting for them to get in their fucking cars so I can talk to the blonde herself but these fuckfaces decide to block the fucking way and the blonde had to quickly go around them. Fuck the Ohio St Buckeyes and that entire fucking state, god! No wonder it produces so many astronauts, that place must be a fucking hellhole.

I know I am a bit cranky posting this but I have a lot going on in my head as well as my life right now. Almost wanted to shout at those guys and my facial expressions said it all but the truth is, I should have been more proactive in approaching the blonde.

Took quite a few rounds around the block. Ran into a group of women but did not approach them.

Crossed paths with a brunette that had headphones in, did not approach for obvious reasons.

I ended up walking around for a while and realized that being Monday night, nothing good will come.

Kept walking but then there were two girls behind me talking, both tanned brunettes (Hispanic to Italian looking, not my type). Something is better than nothing and they were not my type at all but who cares, gotta get that practice in.

Brunette 1: I am going to go that way
Me: Ya, that way does seem better for me too haha
Brunette 2: (looks at me)
Me: Oh I actually live like over there, right above the apartment with the bar right under it
Brunette 1: Oh my god we live like way down there
Me: Long walk for you guys!
(Both brunettes laugh)
Me: I am Altair, nice to meet you guys
(Brunettes 1 and 2 introduce themselves)
Me: Cool so what do you guys do?

After that I kinda forgot about the whole convo itself. I ended being so exhausted that I could not remember it all, wanted to number close but quit at the last minute.

Walked around a bit more, opportunities were not there at all. I ended up heading home after all but for some reason, there was this almost need in me to go full on PUA and start approaching women, it was like some fire rising inside of me pushing me to do it. I cannot describe it in words but it was just there, telling me to find opportunities and go make that approach. All of the worries about what others would think and how people would view me, they just went away.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Stepped into the Trader Joes, initially was kind of a let down, not a lot of hot girls there so I went about my business. Ran into this one brunette milf and wanted to talk but didn't talk, bleh! Later on towards the end saw her with her husband who was a Samoan looking guy so I guess ethnic men can score lol!

Went through and passed by a brunette milf with curly hair who yelled "oh come on!". I looked back a bit shocked and amazed, she looked back smiling, but then said they are out of some protein bars. I tell her I have addictions too and it can suck lol. Think I noticed her leaning in too but I was far away, once again, dammit!

But fucking shit I left that fucking interaction too early, I need to stop doing that!!!!

Later on ran into this one chick with a nice tight body and cute face, she was buying fruit and I told her I am going to look too to see what kind of a price they have. She said "you're good you're good" in a way to let me know all was good.

Time passes by fast so I go over to the check out line, same brunette is in front, talk to her.

Me: Nutella is so legit of a snack
Her: Oh my god like I know right!
Me: Yes, I am trying to cut for beach time so I cannot have it but that is such a guilty pleasure
Her: Well you look okay you can get one
Me: You're so sweet, so hows your day going?
Her: So good, I went over to talk to my mom today because its mothers day
Me: I have to wish mines a happy mothers day! Thanks for reminding me
Her: Oh no problem! (smiling)

Then it was her turn to check out and we stopped talking.

So no luck today and it seemed to lack attractive women today as well, might have to try for another week. Until then I might head out tomorrow if I get the chance and go more direct with an approach, really need a number close soon.

Ah dude! The brunette milf was totally into you! Both times in fact - first time when she yelled oh come on and was smiling at you (what you witnessed is one way that girls open guys, by the way) and the second time she was also into you.

Notice how both times you reached an endpoint in conversation but felt like things were unresolved - there's sexual tension in the air!

The girl expects the guy to lead, so lead you must.

From both points you can easily transition into either an instant date by asking her "what are you doing later?" She may give a concrete plan like "im going to meet my friend" or "im going to a movie" or "im going to XYZ event" but.... if she responds with something that sounds like she's not that busy - they'll never say they're totally free, but they'll usually say something cancellable like "oh im going home to watch my tv show" or "im running errands" or "i might go for a run later" then you invite her to a plan instantly! Say something like "I want to grab coffee at XYZ, why don't you join me? It's right down the street". You must already have a place in mind.

If she has concrete plans already then go for number pull. "I'd love to meet with you later, you seem like cool people. Do you have your phone on you?" If she says yes, "great let's trade." if she says no, "cool, i have mine, let's trade." It's a false choice .

In this case I think she was looking to fuck you that same day. She definitely was attracted to you. Didn't sound like she had many plans. Notice how she qualified you '"you look okay so you can get one" Translation: "I think you look hot, ask me out."

You're going to get so much pussy, man.

Bold: You want me to do this shit at a grocery store?

As for the last line, working on it!

 

[Grand Pooba]

Bold: You want me to do this shit at a grocery store?

Hell yeah, man!

The location doesn't matter so much. What matters immensely is whether the girl likes you. So....the biggest priority with ANY girl - get her to like you, or identify early on if she likes you.

Not all of them will like you - thats impossible. But....a good amount will. The brunette in that FR liked you. When she likes you, then you gotta lead!

See, I'm not saying you should just go to the grocery store and hunt, hunt, hunt, because that's kind of weird. But....say you're going to the grocery store anyway, and there happens to be a cute girl there, and you happen to start talking, and you are both attracted to each other. Then....make something happen! Who cares if it's in a grocery store.

Girls love it when things "just happen." Thus, you have to give her the feeling of "it just happened"....i was at the grocery store, i met this cute guy, we started talking, i felt attracted to him, then we went for coffee and it was amazing....and now I'm in his bed and he's fucking me! Whoa? How did that happen? But i love it!

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

How Altair missed a golden fucking opportunity

So after a long and stressful day at work I decided to hit the ground running again and go out to do approaches. Despite living in a "happening" area of a big city, it was a fucking wasteland out there. I walked around and no luck at all even finding a single woman to approach, that is how terrible it was. Mostly couples out for the most part but I did cross paths with one girl but she was talking to someone on a bluetooth.

I have seen PUA vids on youtube where they cut girls off who are on their phones but no way I was going to attempt that, especially not with me being in the earlier stages. Continued with my usual walk but decided to go farther than usual.

So I crossed paths with this girl who was just of my type, blonde bombshell, but she was on a phone and she was pissed. FUCK! That sucked balls for me, really really sucked balls for me, I hated it.

It got to the point where I was begging for a rejection, like literally begging to talk to a girl and have her tell me to fuck off just for the practice! I just wanted to have an opener for a girl, that's literally all, just for the fucking practice but chances were not coming in.

I keep walking and it is a longer path than usual no doubt. Cross paths with this cute redhead but behind me is an older female runner (ugly) and the path is tight, due to fear of judgment from people around me I decide not to approach, fucking hell.

Head back to the area where my high rise is at and still, no fucking options or girls available. All couples or older people, guess that's what I get for living in a city that isn't exactly an NYC or Chicago in regards to size huh.

So I keep on moving and take a few rounds, looking for that lucky chance, it just doesn't come.

Head home to have dinner, cooked myself a mean meal of noodles with beef and veggies, delicious!

Sit down on the couch for a bit and just think, it's like I am just not satisfied, there have to be women out there for me to approach or get practice with, just have to be.

So I head out again.

This time while heading out it is night and right ahead of me I see this cute tanned brunette on her phone but I am right behind her. Just by body language she seemed scared as fuck so I decided not to approach her, it is night time and girls are more fearful, for good reason too and it's not like any of the bars were open.

I once again take the walk around and fortunately my city is well lit.

Right across the street I see a fit hot blonde playing with her persian cat and I felt the need to approach her but before I could make it she is walking elsewhere. I slowly look in her direction and then I see her getting into a Benz with her cat, oh well, probably some gold digging whore looking to leech off of a dude.

Then I walk around and a part of me feels like heading home but I guess I just didn't want to quit.

I went back around and this time on the park bench I saw her, a beautiful pale skinned girl with black hair and glasses. So I finally go over and say it:

Me: Hi how are you
Her: Oh uh well
Me: So is this place usually this empty?
Her: I just moved here from Ohio
Me: Oh my god, me too!
Her: Ya, I mean I barely know anyone

HOLD ON! HOLD ON! HOLD THE FUCK ON! I could so number close here! Haven't had such a strong opportunity in ages!

Me: So what do you do?
Her: I am a med student, I do my residency at that hospital right there (points to a hospital nearby)
Me: That is so sweet, fun and enjoyable right!
Her: Uh not really but the pay is good haha!
Me: (becomes a dumbfuck and tells girls what he does for work)
Her: Nice!
Me: So you like to enjoy hot humid nights at the park I am guessing?
Her: Oh no I am just waiting for my friend to pick me up
Me: (Tells her a life story about his friends because he is a fucking moron)
Her: There it is!
Me: Oh!

Yup, her friend came, it was another girl driving a Corvette.

I shake her hand, poorly done handshake of course.

Could have tried to number close and should have tried to number close when she said a friend is picking her up, I knew time was running out for me to get the number.

I ended up heading home, got the approach in but no number because I sucked at picking up on the situation.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Some notes:

1. I seem to be less inclined to approach when there are people nearby, especially groups of dudes.

2. I am still not getting good at finding a way to approach a girl when I see her off on a distance, like do I run across and introduce myself?

3. Not sure how to deal with girls on phones or girls with their headphones in.

 

[foggy]

3. Not sure how to deal with girls on phones or girls with their headphones in.

What's your current strategy for this?

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

3. Not sure how to deal with girls on phones or girls with their headphones in.

What's your current strategy for this?

Let her go on with her day and move on to the next girl that is available.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Hi there guys, as usual, I went out today but went to the gym about a mile away. Arrive at the gym and see this cute blonde near the machine I want to use, all else is taken so I go over to ask her how long it will take, she said it may take a while. Tell her I will be doing the bench press so to let me know when she is done, she says okay.

I go over to do bench press, finish my set, look over, she is not there, well at least I tried.

Finish up at the gym and then head out, on my way run into this tall ethnic looking girl, look at her and say "hi hows it going?", she smiles but that's it, I tried, guess it was worth a shot. Walk over to my car and cross paths with a hot blonde who is talking on the phone

Get into my car, drive home, eat dinner when I arrive, and feel unfulfilled. I had to get back out there so I decided to hit the block again and do some approaches.

Walking around my high rise, run into a slightly chubby brunette with a cute face and I approach

Me: Hi whats up!
Her: Oh hi!
Me: Hi do you know where this rock concert is going to be?
Her: Yes actually, it is like that way right after the building you see behind the Starbucks
Me: Oh thanks, I am Altair, nice to meet you!
Her: I am lindsey, nice to meet you
Me: Cool so what do you do? Teacher?
Her: No I am actually a nurse
Me: That's cool, real cool
Her: I have to go meet a friend bye!

Oh well, even if it is a rejection, at least I got my approach in.

Walk around a bit and cross paths with this one cute redhead, she had her headphones in but I said fuck it, got in her way

Me: Hi whats up!
Her: Oh hi! Hello! Wait (takes her headphones out)
Me: Hi so I am wondering, do you know where this rock concert is going to be? It says here but where is that?
Her: Oh, I don't know to be honest
Me: I am guessing you're new here?
Her: Yes I am! (laughing)
Me: So where are you from?
Her: San Diego
Me: Fun place! (see her leaning away and trying to walk away from me)
Me: Well you know, have a great day, it was nice to meet you!

So two full approaches, approach anxiety isn't as much of a thing anymore for me as it used to be, but being that I am not in a major world city I am having a tough time just finding women to approach. I am in a more medium sized city for now but that will change soon.

Decided to walk around a bit more to find some women to approach but no such luck, went home after that.

Edit: I actually forgot about this

I also approached two brunettes and asked them how its going, then asked them the same rock concert question and one brunette said "sure I'll help you". I asked her, she was nice with it, but the issue is they were in a rush so there was problems for me there. This was like the first approach that happened for me today.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

So there guys, I might not be as active tomorrow in my approaching but definitely going to the rock concert on Friday.

I am going to head to the local Trader Joes this weekend, definitely doing a couple of approaches, but I need some help from you guys.

1. Good openers? Do not want to ask her "where do I find this?" but I do want to be able to make it somewhat direct yet at the same time appropriate to where I do not feel like a creep while doing it.

2. Boundaries? How far is too far? How should I play it? Is even a number close going too far?

 

[foggy]

1. Good openers? Do not want to ask her "where do I find this?" but I do want to be able to make it somewhat direct yet at the same time appropriate to where I do not feel like a creep while doing it.

Say, "Hello young lady....I have to ask you something...are you single? "

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

This is not a joke, if you have no good openers then please stay off this thread and stop giving shitty ones. If you have no good advice to give, don't give any at all. No advice is better than shit advice.

 

[Grand Pooba]

This is not a joke, if you have no good openers then please stay off this thread and stop giving shitty ones. If you have no good advice to give, don't give any at all. No advice is better than shit advice.

LOLLLLLLLLLL. Let's be nice

1. Good openers? Do not want to ask her "where do I find this?" but I do want to be able to make it somewhat direct yet at the same time appropriate to where I do not feel like a creep while doing it.

Say, "Hello young lady....I have to ask you something...are you single? "

This is one of my favorite direct openers. Just this past weekend i was transferring lines in the subway and i made eye contact with this beautiful Korean girl walking the other way. She has headphones in and was walking quickly the other way. In a split second i told myself "fuck it! Just go! Just go!" And i ran back and paced aside her, waved my hand and she took off her earphones. We were both on the go so I had to make it worth it.

Me: "Hey....Are you single?"
Her: "Ummmmm.....why?"
Me: "Because I think you're fucking gorgeous, holy shit!" And i looked her up and down. We were still walking.

I could tell she was intrigued so then I asked "Going anywhere interesting?" She was going to sword fight. "Well hey listen, I was going that way....but I'd love to get to know you better another time..." And she stopped. We spent another minute talking and then I grabbed her number. We texted the next day.

Anyway long story short we grabbed tea then wine yesterday after work and I brought her back to my place.

Btw, Altair, here ya go :
https://www.girlschase.com/content/are-y ... -ask-girls

The "Are You Single?" Opener works best with excellent fundamentals, a sexual vibe, and a smile.

Anyway, if that's too much for ya (it's pretty advanced), try Indirect-direct. Something like "Hey, do you know where I can grab coffee around here?....<She answers, you listen>.... actually, I'm just kidding, I think you're absolutely gorgeous and I wanted to come meet you! Hi, I'm Altair "

 

[foggy]

This is not a joke, if you have no good openers then please stay off this thread and stop giving shitty ones. If you have no good advice to give, don't give any at all. No advice is better than shit advice.

Shitty ones? How do you know it's a shitty one? Have you field tested it yourself?

This opener is a good example of what you are looking to use. It lets women know you're interested but it's a lot less creepy than going up to a woman and saying "Hello my little cumdumpster! Want to fuck?"

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

So I didn't have much time today but decided to go out anyways and approach. Walked around a bit and didn't see any women worth approaching at first so I walked around a bit more. Then just as I was crossing and happened to be on the other side of the street, I saw a cute blonde walking by. At first I followed behind her (we were heading the same way anyways) because there were a group of guys around and I didn't want to approach near them, they seemed like the type to cockblock.

Then as we got to the end of the street I opened

Me: Hi whats up
Her: Oh uh hi (a bit shocked)
Me: (being a pussy) so this rock concert, you know where its at?
Her: No, not really, not from around here
Me: Oh so where are you from?
Her: (gives location)
Me: I am Altair btw, nice to meet you
Her: Oh I am (gives her name)
Me: So you're from the more young part of town where the colleges are at
Her: Yes, fun indeed
Me: You heard of this club? (mentioned the club's name)
Her: OMG YUP YUP!
Me: Well where did you go to school?
Her: Northwestern
Me: Oh well I guess (for some reason I stumbled here, ran out of shit to say)

From there the convo went downhill, she had to go and it felt awkward, like a wtf type of moment. I kinda paused and slurred, just ran out of shit to say. I also kept moving in the direction she was heading towards instead of standing still like I should have done, should have stood still, did stand still towards the start and she was standing still too.

The whole thing seemed awkward as fuck but luckily I did get my approach in. Need to make progress though, number closes need to happen for me soon.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

This is not a joke, if you have no good openers then please stay off this thread and stop giving shitty ones. If you have no good advice to give, don't give any at all. No advice is better than shit advice.

Shitty ones? How do you know it's a shitty one? Have you field tested it yourself?

This opener is a good example of what you are looking to use. It lets women know you're interested but it's a lot less creepy than going up to a woman and saying "Hello my little cumdumpster! Want to fuck?"

Going to get more of a verdict on this, definitely not doing this in the usual places I approach at and definitely not at the Trader Joes.

Luckily I have time before the weekend to get more of a verdict on this before I decide to try it out and report back with the results.

 

[Michal]

Altair,

It seems you have the balls to approach them, however your conversations lack direction sometimes. Now, before you do your approach, have a clear goal to that approach. Right now, it looks like you want to number close chicks, so stick to that. But to be successful, you need to hook them. So, try to be more playful. When the girl told you she knows that club, you can say "I was wondering whether you are a bookworm or a party type, now I know " if you say it wrong she might get weird because you actually thought she looks like a bookworm (especially if she looks complete opposite). Point is, you need to elicit emotions in her and then you can hook them. And unless you have your fundamentals in stratosphere, you will not do that with factual questions and information.

For openers, you can go direct but you need to have the right motivation behind those words which is what I think Richard meant. There is no problem telling a girl she has perfectly shaped body for example but if say it because you "want to number close her" rather than "appreciate her physical form and make her feel flattered" then it will be obvious from your voice tone and she will be creeped out.

Or you can try indirect dirext. You already ask about the concert, so you can add a genuine compliment after that like Chase suggested in his article - just pick something you like about her or what made you notice her and then introduce yourself right after.

Michal

 

[foggy]

This is not a joke, if you have no good openers then please stay off this thread and stop giving shitty ones. If you have no good advice to give, don't give any at all. No advice is better than shit advice.

Shitty ones? How do you know it's a shitty one? Have you field tested it yourself?

This opener is a good example of what you are looking to use. It lets women know you're interested but it's a lot less creepy than going up to a woman and saying "Hello my little cumdumpster! Want to fuck?"

Going to get more of a verdict on this, definitely not doing this in the usual places I approach at and definitely not at the Trader Joes.

Why not? Pushing yourself outside of your comfort zone is a great feeling.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Didn't actually feel like going out there and approaching today to be honest with you guys, the day was long and exhausting for me and I felt like sitting in and watching Netflix on a Friday night lol. Then along the way as I drove home from work I saw her, a beautiful woman and imagined if I was out of the car I would have approached her with some kind of an opener. So I decided that once again, it's time to go out.

I guess I woke up on the wrong side of the bed but somehow, I was having a relapse to my past insecurities centering around race. I do go out a lot and don't seem to see any men who ethnically resemble me having success to the point where I wondered if even a guy with my determination with the help of greats like the guys on this thread could do it. Whether a man such as me can win against an American society that doesn't want him having success with particular kinds of girls.

Back when I was home and in college, I used to cope by complaining on here but then I realized that I am in a different situation now and if I ever want to improve, I have to go out there and just make it happen. Sometimes these days, whenever I feel like this, I go out there and I approach.

So I went out there, called it an emergency grocery shopping trip because truth be told I didn't have any ingredients left for my meals. I tend to buy in smaller loads so I have more of an excuse to go out, went to the Target near my house.

Walked around a bit and immediately spot this blonde with sharper facial features and a cute body looking at granola bars.

Me: Hi hows it going?
(get ignored, we made eye contact too)
Me: So why are there flashing lights at the bar outside and loud music? I don't usually hear it on Friday nights in this area, any celeb coming to town?
Her: Haha no actually I just moved here
Me: From where?
Her: Pennsylvania
Me: Where in PA?
Her: Happy Valley, I went to Penn St

Alright at this point I knew it was going to be a massive uphill battle, that school is notorious for having one of the most racist student bodies (towards any guy not white or black) like in the entire country. Maybe I defeated myself who knows but the girl did not even respond at first when I asked her hi how is it going, maybe since I was not loud enough. Anyways carrying on.

Me: Oh cool, you guys won the big 10 this year I think but I am an ACC boy haha
Her: Well that is cool (can tell by body language she is leaning away)
Me: Oh well, have a nice day! (smile)
Her: Okay (smile but kind of that ice queen smile)

So I go over to do the rest of my grocery shopping and I see her, taller girl with fit body and dirty blonde hair, had to go approach. I head towards another direction doubting myself but then as I am heading there, she is heading there too, I had to approach!

Me: Hi hows it going!
Her: (looks up smile) Hi
Me: (ask her about the bar with loud music outside and if a celeb is in town)
Her: Oh well, you know I don't actually know, I partied there a year ago and Big Sean was in town
Me: So you're like familiar with this area
Her: Yes I am
Me: I am Altair btw, nice to meet you
Her: I am Chelsea, nice to meet you

Now at this point I could have tried to number close by saying that maybe she can help me out and I can ask her for advice or something but I didn't. Could tell by body language she was not creeped out but I was too much of a bitch to get aggressive with her. I backed out and left, she smiled, I should have tried to number close or at least move the convo forward.

Really thought about shit I feel like is holding me back and here is what I came up with:

1. Fear of being THAT guy because this was a Target near my house, find myself cold approaching too much at the local Trader Joes and even at the local area around the Target so worried about getting that reputation, gah! Need to read Chase's article about worrying about being judged for cold approach or whatever.

2. Cannot move that convo forward, stuck at the intro but cannot number close or escalate it from there.

3. Not resilient enough. I have one bad interaction and let it carry over on to another good interaction I COULD be having with a girl. Definitely need to get resilient because it is holding me back.

Will take time to read more from guys on here because right now I am stuck. Thinking of heading to another popping neighborhood in the city and trying my luck with girls there, can go more aggressive since I won't be local to that area. I don't think I have made ANY progress yet outside of a simple hello.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

Altair,

It seems you have the balls to approach them, however your conversations lack direction sometimes. Now, before you do your approach, have a clear goal to that approach. Right now, it looks like you want to number close chicks, so stick to that. But to be successful, you need to hook them. So, try to be more playful. When the girl told you she knows that club, you can say "I was wondering whether you are a bookworm or a party type, now I know " if you say it wrong she might get weird because you actually thought she looks like a bookworm (especially if she looks complete opposite). Point is, you need to elicit emotions in her and then you can hook them. And unless you have your fundamentals in stratosphere, you will not do that with factual questions and information.

For openers, you can go direct but you need to have the right motivation behind those words which is what I think Richard meant. There is no problem telling a girl she has perfectly shaped body for example but if say it because you "want to number close her" rather than "appreciate her physical form and make her feel flattered" then it will be obvious from your voice tone and she will be creeped out.

Or you can try indirect dirext. You already ask about the concert, so you can add a genuine compliment after that like Chase suggested in his article - just pick something you like about her or what made you notice her and then introduce yourself right after.

Michal

Thanks Michal, as GP and you stated, I am having major problems with the hook right now and it is killin me! I feel like what is getting to me is that shame of approaching girls publicly and being seen as that sleazy guy. My openers have been all "where is this" or "where is that" instead of being more direct too, definitely need to work on those.