Usually is from the community, not really the game... What is the game, knowing how to meet and seduce women.... Is not being part of the community... You don't really incrementally increase your skillset after certain point, more like lateral...
Yeah very true, they are not one and the same, even though some communities are very good for learning (such as this one).
^ this can be said about large sample sizes of any community or people in general.... The issue is that they were teaching self help which make it bizarro... but is still a small segment of the overall community...
I'm no expert on the seduction community as a whole, I'm very much a lone wolf and like to stay that way. Tbh I'm not and never have been part of any other communities. But when I look around at the general pua scene from a distance I can smell a lot of issues - guys offing themselves, guys showing unstable emotional tendencies, guys wanting to erase their histories, guys who are frozen permanently in time (what you call 'time machine seducers', I like that), guys bashing eachother online over nothing.
I don't fully understand what all that is about but I do think that if you are a new dude getting into seduction you need to be wary of getting sucked into various types of nonsense, not just from certain parts of the pua community but also for example trying to use getting laid as a substitute for fixing your own life problems.
^ consider the source... Is very simple field test for yourself.... Everyone has dirty laundry including probably you... you take the advice and you field test.... There are guys with 0 dirty laundry that advice things that don't work or outdated.... There are guys with dirty laundry that give material that work which is all that matters... Also there has always been in the community a lot of posturing....
Yeah, field testing is good, though seduction isn't an easy thing to field test for new guys, there are tons of variables that most techniques don't account for, such as limiting beliefs (which must be replaced with solid rational ones and cannot be chanted away) and emotional self-control, for example, both of which take a good amount of time and careful work to implement. So it's not easy to judge for yourself right away whether something is bs or for real.
And sure, everyone's got dirty laundry, I don't actually think it's good to comment on specific cases as you never know all the details. I don't care for example whether some dude is married with kids or single at the age of 50, that's his choice and doesn't say much about his seduction skills, depending on how he likes to live his life.
But even besides all the fly by night salesmen and acme gurus on youtube, I very much dislike to see dudes who are nursing deep wounds teaching a style of seduction that frankly isn't psychologically sustainable or healthy for any normal dude, and framing it as if it's completely normal. I think teachers of this stuff have a duty to teach it in a way that doesn't incorporate their own fractured perspective on things, because the average guy can do himself harm letting his identity be reshaped with disfunctional bs in the hope of getting a little bit of pussy.
A player getting in a mono type relationship after high lay count, is more challegin than any average joe getting into a relationship... Plus the community does not really focus on relationship and not all of us are align even guys with same ideology. Plus in the modern era marriage and ltr are lower odds to begin with long term..
That's as may be - certainly most seduction is about getting laid and not about getting a relationship. I do think that a lot of dudes (teachers and students) delude themselves about that, they think they are getting better at women generally but they are actually just hustling, like dropshippers who think they have a legit business.
I don't have any problem with all the different motivations for seduction - hell on any given day I feel a bit different myself - but there is a bit of a marketing vs reality thing going on in a lot of corners of the internet, where guys are being sold a bill of goods about what something is going to be good for.
What I like about Girls Chase (and why I'm even here to begin with) is it's a broad spectrum analysis that includes philosphical, historical, psychological, and of course practical aspects of sex, seduction, and relationships in general. I don't really know if there's any other way to teach it to the general public, especially young dudes, that's going to give them real strength and well-roundedness in their worldview and identity around what they are doing, regardless of their motivations.
^ yeah this is good... Just take the material and not model the lifestyle, do you pretty much...
Absolutely.
www.skilledseducer.com
. How you know all of this?
